Re: [Talk-us] Help fight advertising

"Firstly, many rules in OSM are not written down" So while I get that OSM is an evolving and collaborative effort, don't you think that having unwritten rules leads to less collaboration and less civil interactions? We have a code of conduct for behavior, guidelines for using the data, import

Re: [Talk-us] Help fight advertising

Hi, On 19.03.2018 01:08, Jordan Brod wrote: > I went looking for any information printed in guidelines or code of > conduct about advertising in the attributes of a feature and I couldn't > find where it is approved/prohibited or even mentioned.  Does anybody > know where the rule against this

Re: [Talk-us] Help fight advertising

I went looking for any information printed in guidelines or code of conduct about advertising in the attributes of a feature and I couldn't find where it is approved/prohibited or even mentioned. Does anybody know where the rule against this is? On Mar 18, 2018 6:42 PM, "Shawn K. Quinn"

Re: [Talk-us] Help fight advertising

On 03/01/2018 04:44 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > there have also been situations where a local mapper had diligently > copied a business's sales slogan into the description tag and was > then upset to see this removed. If they are upset about it, tough turkey, it doesn't belong there. > As more

Re: [Talk-us] Help fight advertising

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 3:44 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > * Contact the mapper responsible and politely ask them to fix it and/or > stop adding advertising. In most cases, since these are throwaway > accounts created by professional spammers, you won't receive a

Re: [Talk-us] Help fight advertising

While I don't think supporting specific, rather questionable business models, is something we should expend a lot of effort on, improving the tooling for individual businesses to maintain an entry in OSM is (and a serious SEO shop could easily use such tools). Some may have already had a look at

Re: [Talk-us] Help fight advertising

So many good things being said by so many good people here. This is OSM at its best: organically growing goodness and correct actions by right-thinking people. Be bold, we might say out loud, as in "I delete spam and even just plain bad mapping when and as I see it." (Whether front door,

Re: [Talk-us] Help fight advertising

On 3/2/2018 9:40 AM, Clifford Snow wrote: Sorry for the late posting - I've been working on another project for the past few days. Frederik wrote "You will be surprised about the breadth of marketing blurb that has already crept into OSM." Unfortunately no, I'm not surprised. Marketing is a

Re: [Talk-us] Help fight advertising

On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 11:40 AM, Clifford Snow wrote: > > To me that leaves us with a couple of choices. One, we continue to develop > more sophisticated tools to identify and revert the spam or two, we develop > tools to help SEO firms add data to OSM in a manner

Re: [Talk-us] Help fight advertising

On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 3:35 PM, Mike N wrote: > On 3/2/2018 4:11 PM, Dale Puch wrote: > >> It seems like encouraging SEO firms to operate within OSM guidelines by >> providing an easy way to add the OSM appropriate information in bulk (with >> data validation) in one step would

Re: [Talk-us] Help fight advertising

Hi, On 03/03/2018 12:32 AM, OSM Volunteer stevea wrote: > Even as I knew my "contact one SEO/Marketing firm, see what happens" approach > was quite pedestrian I'd like to think of your approach - contact the business that is advertised, through the contact channel they voluntarily publish, and

Re: [Talk-us] Help fight advertising

On 3/2/2018 4:11 PM, Dale Puch wrote: It seems like encouraging SEO firms to operate within OSM guidelines by providing an easy way to add the OSM appropriate information in bulk (with data validation) in one step would be a good thing.  Easier to contact, manage and block or revert as needed.

Re: [Talk-us] Help fight advertising

Even as I knew my "contact one SEO/Marketing firm, see what happens" approach was quite pedestrian in the grand scheme of "fighting advertising," I still though it valuable to share with the talk-us list so others could experience it too, put on their thinking caps and offer additional

Re: [Talk-us] Help fight advertising

I would agree that better tools to help add appropriate information are likely more helpful then trying to police the endless stream of new bad edits. If we can guide these users to a tool that allows adding the information in a constructive manner while restricting the spammy parts that would go

Re: [Talk-us] Help fight advertising

It seems like encouraging SEO firms to operate within OSM guidelines by providing an easy way to add the OSM appropriate information in bulk (with data validation) in one step would be a good thing. Easier to contact, manage and block or revert as needed. An idea for catching the throwaway

Re: [Talk-us] Help fight advertising

Sorry for the late posting - I've been working on another project for the past few days. Frederik wrote "You will be surprised about the breadth of marketing blurb that has already crept into OSM." Unfortunately no, I'm not surprised. Marketing is a very competitive world. SEO firms are using

Re: [Talk-us] Help fight advertising

Hi Frederik > * Should we have some MapRoulette task or OSMCha automatism or OSMI view > to detect potential advertising? > > > Detecting these change sets should be quite straightforward. Here is a Keras sample that could be easily modified to process change sets. The model in this example is

Re: [Talk-us] Help fight advertising

Hi, On 02.03.2018 01:17, Mike N wrote: > This is a good time to bring up the subject because the recent > 'locksmith' advertising was most bothersome: partly because the > locksmith industry as a whole in the US is as shady as you can get while > being barely legal, and partly because I'm sure

Re: [Talk-us] Help fight advertising

Hi, On 02.03.2018 00:21, Ian Dees wrote: > I disagree that this is a "fight". Have we attempted to reach out to the > people running this operation? I've come across a lot of edits where mappers had written changeset comments against one of these one-off accounts, and were met with silence.

Re: [Talk-us] Help fight advertising

On 3/1/2018 7:36 PM, OSM Volunteer stevea wrote: Sent to Bright Valley Marketing via their website Contact text box: Since there are several SEOs out there doing this, it would also be interesting to talk to one of them to find out where they got this idea. If there is some SEO blog that

Re: [Talk-us] Help fight advertising

Sent to Bright Valley Marketing via their website Contact text box: How can you help me? More like how can YOU help Bright Valley Marketing?! OK: you can stop putting advertising into your clients' OpenStreetMap (OSM) nodes. Phone, website, opening_hours, addr: fields: those are all OK.

Re: [Talk-us] Help fight advertising

This is a good time to bring up the subject because the recent 'locksmith' advertising was most bothersome: partly because the locksmith industry as a whole in the US is as shady as you can get while being barely legal, and partly because I'm sure the physical locations had no relevance;

Re: [Talk-us] Help fight advertising

I phoned a local business owner from Frederik's list and learned he used "Bright Valley Marketing" (https://www.brightvalleymarketing.com) out of Sacramento, California: it was they who apparently are the culprit. The business owner was happy to recognize and vaguely seemed to understand the

Re: [Talk-us] Help fight advertising

Thank you Frederik, thank you Ian. Yes! To both of you. I am glad to see Frederik encourages me to do what I (somewhat timidly, at first) already now do in earnest: sweep up when I see some poop in our map. It took me many years to grow my confidence as an OSM volunteer as "somebody who

Re: [Talk-us] Help fight advertising

Hi Frederik, I disagree that this is a "fight". Have we attempted to reach out to the people running this operation? Have we asked the Operations team to correlate IP address for the accounts that are created and used once? Have we looked at what email addresses they use when signing up for