Re: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible

[john s via Talk]

Neville, I tried these steps and no go.  I'm running Windows 7, 32 
bit and WE 9.1.  With WE running, about:config wouldn't respond.  I 
had to exit WE and use NVDA to accomplish the steps.  But, no go.




earlier, Neville via Talk, wrote:

Hi Kevin,

Following is a copy of a message I sent to the list a week or two 
ago regarding gaining access to the screen with the mouse while 
using Firefox and Thunderbird.


The first  two modifications had been done previously on my system 
but with no improvement. It seems the third change makes the difference.


Prior to the modifications, my W7 system suffered frequent 
Thunderbird crashes  but since the changes, no chrashes have been experienced.


I would like to know if anyone using W10 has tried the below 
modifications and particullarly the results or lack of same.


HTH
Neville
original message:


Hi Listers,
Using: W7 HP 32 bit, latest versions of WE, Firefox and Thunderbird

Use the three steps below to make both Firefox and Thunderbird 
accessible with the mouse just like they used to be.  I was able to 
use WE to make the necessary changes  in Thunderbird but needed 
sighted assistance for Firefox.  For some reason WE kept loosing 
speech in the case of Firefox but maybe NVDA would work.


A similar method has been around for a while but never had any 
success with it but these three steps really work.  In short, I was 
amazed with the change in mouse accessibility the alterations made.


Hopefully, someone can come up with a method to make Chrome mouse 
accessible as well.


Unfortunately it is not known for sure whether this technique will 
work as well under W8 and W10 as it does under W7 32 and 64 bit. If 
you do try it under W8 or W10, please inform the list of your 
results. i.e. Either positive or negative.


HTH
Neville.



This is the three steps needed to fix the mouse cursor problem.

The third step is the new one.  You do have to arrow down many times 
to find it.  A lot do seem to sound the same, so be careful you get 
the correct one to change.



block quote
1. Open the Configuration Editor. In Firefox, enter
about:config
 in the address bar. In Thunderbird, go to the Tools menu and 
navigate to Options, Advanced, General, then Config Editor.
2. Once in the Configuration editor, press TAB until you are in the 
list of options.
3. Pressing UP or DOWN ARROW will move you between options or typing 
the first few letters of an option's name will move you to a 
specific option in the


list.
the following are entries to search for:

gfx.direct2d.disabled
if the boolean value is set to false, press the enter key to toggle the
value to true.

layers.acceleration.disabled
if the boolean value is set to false, press the enter key to toggle the
value to true.

layers.offmainthreadcomposition.enabled
if the boolean value is set to true, press the enter key to toggle the
value to false.

press control+w to close the configuration window.
restart Thunderbird/Firefox.
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Re: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible

[Mike Rogers via Talk]

I'm running Windows 7 and 9.3.  I had a sighted friend make the changes in 
Firefox.  The mouse now works great, with latest Firefox.

Mike



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On Sat, 09 Jan 2016 07:07:04 -0500
john s via Talk  wrote:

> Neville, I tried these steps and no go.  I'm running Windows 7, 32 bit and WE 
> 9.1.  With WE running, about:config wouldn't respond.  I had to exit WE and 
> use NVDA to accomplish the steps.  But, no go.
> 
> 
> 
> earlier, Neville via Talk, wrote:
> >Hi Kevin,
> >
> >Following is a copy of a message I sent to the list a week or two >ago 
> >regarding gaining access to the screen with the mouse while >using Firefox 
> >and Thunderbird.
> >
> >The first  two modifications had been done previously on my system >but with 
> >no improvement. It seems the third change makes the difference.
> >
> >Prior to the modifications, my W7 system suffered frequent >Thunderbird 
> >crashes  but since the changes, no chrashes have been experienced.
> >
> >I would like to know if anyone using W10 has tried the below >modifications 
> >and particullarly the results or lack of same.
> >
> >HTH
> >Neville
> >original message:
> >
> >
> >Hi Listers,
> >Using: W7 HP 32 bit, latest versions of WE, Firefox and Thunderbird
> >
> >Use the three steps below to make both Firefox and Thunderbird >accessible 
> >with the mouse just like they used to be.  I was able to >use WE to make the 
> >necessary changes  in Thunderbird but needed >sighted assistance for 
> >Firefox.  For some reason WE kept loosing >speech in the case of Firefox but 
> >maybe NVDA would work.
> >
> >A similar method has been around for a while but never had any >success with 
> >it but these three steps really work.  In short, I was >amazed with the 
> >change in mouse accessibility the alterations made.
> >
> >Hopefully, someone can come up with a method to make Chrome mouse 
> >>accessible as well.
> >
> >Unfortunately it is not known for sure whether this technique will >work as 
> >well under W8 and W10 as it does under W7 32 and 64 bit. If >you do try it 
> >under W8 or W10, please inform the list of your >results. i.e. Either 
> >positive or negative.
> >
> >HTH
> >Neville.
> >
> >
> >
> >This is the three steps needed to fix the mouse cursor problem.
> >
> >The third step is the new one.  You do have to arrow down many times >to 
> >find it.  A lot do seem to sound the same, so be careful you get >the 
> >correct one to change.
> >
> >
> >block quote
> >1. Open the Configuration Editor. In Firefox, enter
> >about:config
> >  in the address bar. In Thunderbird, go to the Tools menu and > navigate to 
> > Options, Advanced, General, then Config Editor.
> >2. Once in the Configuration editor, press TAB until you are in the >list of 
> >options.
> >3. Pressing UP or DOWN ARROW will move you between options or typing >the 
> >first few letters of an option's name will move you to a >specific option in 
> >the
> >
> >list.
> >the following are entries to search for:
> >
> >gfx.direct2d.disabled
> >if the boolean value is set to false, press the enter key to toggle the
> >value to true.
> >
> >layers.acceleration.disabled
> >if the boolean value is set to false, press the enter key to toggle the
> >value to true.
> >
> >layers.offmainthreadcomposition.enabled
> >if the boolean value is set to true, press the enter key to toggle the
> >value to false.
> >
> >press control+w to close the configuration window.
> >restart Thunderbird/Firefox.
> >block quote end
> >
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Re: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible

[Neville via Talk]

Good to hear.

Neville.


On 9/01/2016 11:24 PM, Mike Rogers via Talk wrote:

I'm running Windows 7 and 9.3.  I had a sighted friend make the changes in 
Firefox.  The mouse now works great, with latest Firefox.

Mike



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On Sat, 09 Jan 2016 07:07:04 -0500
john s via Talk  wrote:


Neville, I tried these steps and no go.  I'm running Windows 7, 32 bit and WE 
9.1.  With WE running, about:config wouldn't respond.  I had to exit WE and use 
NVDA to accomplish the steps.  But, no go.



earlier, Neville via Talk, wrote:

Hi Kevin,

Following is a copy of a message I sent to the list a week or two >ago regarding 
gaining access to the screen with the mouse while >using Firefox and Thunderbird.

The first  two modifications had been done previously on my system >but with no 
improvement. It seems the third change makes the difference.

Prior to the modifications, my W7 system suffered frequent >Thunderbird crashes 
 but since the changes, no chrashes have been experienced.

I would like to know if anyone using W10 has tried the below >modifications and 
particullarly the results or lack of same.

HTH
Neville
original message:


Hi Listers,
Using: W7 HP 32 bit, latest versions of WE, Firefox and Thunderbird

Use the three steps below to make both Firefox and Thunderbird >accessible with the 
mouse just like they used to be.  I was able to >use WE to make the necessary changes  
in Thunderbird but needed >sighted assistance for Firefox.  For some reason WE kept 
loosing >speech in the case of Firefox but maybe NVDA would work.

A similar method has been around for a while but never had any >success with it 
but these three steps really work.  In short, I was >amazed with the change in 
mouse accessibility the alterations made.

Hopefully, someone can come up with a method to make Chrome mouse >accessible 
as well.

Unfortunately it is not known for sure whether this technique will >work as well 
under W8 and W10 as it does under W7 32 and 64 bit. If >you do try it under W8 or 
W10, please inform the list of your >results. i.e. Either positive or negative.

HTH
Neville.



This is the three steps needed to fix the mouse cursor problem.

The third step is the new one.  You do have to arrow down many times >to find it.  
A lot do seem to sound the same, so be careful you get >the correct one to change.


block quote
1. Open the Configuration Editor. In Firefox, enter
about:config
  in the address bar. In Thunderbird, go to the Tools menu and > navigate to 
Options, Advanced, General, then Config Editor.
2. Once in the Configuration editor, press TAB until you are in the >list of 
options.
3. Pressing UP or DOWN ARROW will move you between options or typing >the first 
few letters of an option's name will move you to a >specific option in the

list.
the following are entries to search for:

gfx.direct2d.disabled
if the boolean value is set to false, press the enter key to toggle the
value to true.

layers.acceleration.disabled
if the boolean value is set to false, press the enter key to toggle the
value to true.

layers.offmainthreadcomposition.enabled
if the boolean value is set to true, press the enter key to toggle the
value to false.

press control+w to close the configuration window.
restart Thunderbird/Firefox.
block quote end

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Re: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Neville, I have tried making the suggested changes  using WE 9.3 from 
Microsoft 365 and Windows 10.  But with Tbird, no effect, still no mouse 
at all.  Clearly something is very wrong.  I previously used that simple 
and often scorned upon client, Outlook express and it was simple to use, 
very fast, and did everything I needed.  Now, I am forced to use a piece 
of software that is awkward at best and I won't say the worst.

Bernie

On 1/9/2016 5:31 PM, Neville via Talk wrote:
This surprises me John because you are using the same OS as I am.  Try 
using the latest version of WE


Apart from this, the only thing I can suggest is to go back into 
Firefox and check the settings again.


I am hoping to hear from someone who has tried it under W10.

Cheers
Neville.

On 9/01/2016 10:07 PM, john s via Talk wrote:

Neville, I tried these steps and no go. I'm running Windows 7, 32 bit
and WE 9.1.  With WE running, about:config wouldn't respond.  I had to
exit WE and use NVDA to accomplish the steps.  But, no go.



earlier, Neville via Talk, wrote:

Hi Kevin,

Following is a copy of a message I sent to the list a week or two ago
regarding gaining access to the screen with the mouse while using
Firefox and Thunderbird.

The first  two modifications had been done previously on my system but
with no improvement. It seems the third change makes the difference.

Prior to the modifications, my W7 system suffered frequent Thunderbird
crashes  but since the changes, no chrashes have been experienced.

I would like to know if anyone using W10 has tried the below
modifications and particullarly the results or lack of same.

HTH
Neville
original message:


Hi Listers,
Using: W7 HP 32 bit, latest versions of WE, Firefox and Thunderbird

Use the three steps below to make both Firefox and Thunderbird
accessible with the mouse just like they used to be.  I was able to
use WE to make the necessary changes  in Thunderbird but needed
sighted assistance for Firefox.  For some reason WE kept loosing
speech in the case of Firefox but maybe NVDA would work.

A similar method has been around for a while but never had any success
with it but these three steps really work.  In short, I was amazed
with the change in mouse accessibility the alterations made.

Hopefully, someone can come up with a method to make Chrome mouse
accessible as well.

Unfortunately it is not known for sure whether this technique will
work as well under W8 and W10 as it does under W7 32 and 64 bit. If
you do try it under W8 or W10, please inform the list of your results.
i.e. Either positive or negative.

HTH
Neville.



This is the three steps needed to fix the mouse cursor problem.

The third step is the new one.  You do have to arrow down many times
to find it.  A lot do seem to sound the same, so be careful you get
the correct one to change.


block quote
1. Open the Configuration Editor. In Firefox, enter
about:config
 in the address bar. In Thunderbird, go to the Tools menu and navigate
to Options, Advanced, General, then Config Editor.
2. Once in the Configuration editor, press TAB until you are in the
list of options.
3. Pressing UP or DOWN ARROW will move you between options or typing
the first few letters of an option's name will move you to a specific
option in the

list.
the following are entries to search for:

gfx.direct2d.disabled
if the boolean value is set to false, press the enter key to toggle the
value to true.

layers.acceleration.disabled
if the boolean value is set to false, press the enter key to toggle the
value to true.

layers.offmainthreadcomposition.enabled
if the boolean value is set to true, press the enter key to toggle the
value to false.

press control+w to close the configuration window.
restart Thunderbird/Firefox.
block quote end

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Re: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible

[Mike Rogers via Talk]

Thanks for the help.  I now have my mouse keys working in Firefox.  Had a 
sighted friend help.  Wonder if this will work, when firefox updates again.

Mike



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On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 12:47:24 -0600
"Andre" <stepse...@comcast.net> wrote:

> When you open up firefox, go to the address bar and type "about:config" and
> that will launch the ff config editor. Remember to turn browse mode off
> first as well as autoloading off.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Mike Rogers via Talk
> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 10:49 AM
> To: Reg Webb; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible
> 
> I have a dumb question:  Where is the configuration editor?  Is this in
> windows, firefox or W.E.?  Can't get to the sirst step.  I'm running Windows
> 7 and 9.3 Window Eyes.
> 
> Thanks for any help.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> www.harmonicaworkshops.com
> www.woodeneyemusic.com
> 
> 
> On Sat, 26 Dec 2015 15:21:11 GMT
> Reg Webb via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> > Thanks so much Neville. I had taken the first 2 steps, but the third one
> > has proved crucial in getting some mouse access back.
> > 
> > Best wishes
> > 
> > -- 
> > Reg
> > <regw...@btinternet.com>
> > 
> > On Sat, 26 Dec 2015 10:16:25 +1000
> > Neville via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi Listers,
> > > Using: W7 HP 32 bit, latest versions of WE, Firefox and Thunderbird
> > > 
> > > Use the three steps below to make both Firefox and Thunderbird
> accessible with the mouse just like they used to be.  I was able to use WE
> to make the necessary changes  in Thunderbird but needed sighted assistance
> for Firefox.  For some reason WE kept loosing speech in the case of Firefox
> but maybe NVDA would work.
> > > 
> > > A similar method has been around for a while but never had any success
> with it but these three steps really work.  In short, I was amazed with the
> change in mouse accessibility the alterations made.
> > > 
> > > Hopefully, someone can come up with a method to make Chrome mouse
> accessible as well.
> > > 
> > > HTH
> > > Neville.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > This is the three steps needed to fix the mouse cursor problem.
> > > 
> > > The third step is the new one.  You do have to arrow down many times to
> find it.  A lot do seem to sound the same, so be careful you get the correct
> one to change.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > block quote
> > > 1. Open the Configuration Editor. In Firefox, enter
> > > about:config
> > >   in the address bar. In Thunderbird, go to the Tools menu and navigate
> to Options, Advanced, General, then Config Editor.
> > > 2. Once in the Configuration editor, press TAB until you are in the list
> of options.
> > > 3. Pressing UP or DOWN ARROW will move you between options or typing the
> first few letters of an option's name will move you to a specific option in
> the
> > > 
> > > list.
> > > the following are entries to search for:
> > > 
> > > gfx.direct2d.disabled
> > > if the boolean value is set to false, press the enter key to toggle the
> > > value to true.
> > > 
> > > layers.acceleration.disabled
> > > if the boolean value is set to false, press the enter key to toggle the
> > > value to true.
> > > 
> > > layers.offmainthreadcomposition.enabled
> > > if the boolean value is set to true, press the enter key to toggle the
> > > value to false.
> > > 
> > > press control+w to close the configuration window.
> > > restart Thunderbird/Firefox.
> > > block quote end
> > > 
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Re: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible

[Joseph C. Lininger via Talk]

I'm running Windows 7, but I doubt that makes a difference. It looked to 
me like something Mozilla did. My guess, and that's all it is since I'm 
not a Mozilla developer, is that the config option was placed there in 
preparation for some new functionality. Then they added that 
functionality in about Version 38 (that's when the mouse thing broke for 
me in Thunderbird anyway) and switched it on with the config option. 
It's possible they did something else for different versions of Windows, 
and that the versioning and config option switch is different between 
Firefox and Thunderbird. The fix didn't work for me in Firefox, but it 
did in Thunderbird.

joe
On 12/27/2015 10:12 PM, Neville wrote:

Which version of Windows are you using?
Neville.


On 28/12/2015 12:10 PM, Joseph C. Lininger via Talk wrote:

This worked for me, but there's something people need to know about it.
If you are using an older version of Thudnerbird (I was using 31 prior
to upgrading), the third option will appear set to False as we want it.
Upgrading (I upgraded to the latest version) switches it to True. You
have to go in and disable it after upgrading.
Joe
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RE: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible

[Dennis Long via Talk]

I have no plans on upgrading 

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of via Talk
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 10:29 PM
To: 'Kevin Barry' <krba...@gmail.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; 'Rod Hutton' <rod_hut...@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible

After 1 year, the upgrade will cost money, however. I think that is what he
means?

Portia.

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Behalf Of Kevin Barry via Talk
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 5:44 PM
To: Rod Hutton <rod_hut...@hotmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
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Subject: Re: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible

There is no deadline.
You can keep Windows 7 at least until January 2020.
Don't let anybody tell you otherwise.

On Monday, December 28, 2015, Rod Hutton via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Hi Rick,
>
> I haven't done the modification yet, but have you used Control-Shift-B 
> repeatedly until you hear Full screen or, at least, Active Window to 
> be certain that your mouse pointer is not being limited in its movement?
>
> Hth,
>
> Rod
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton <javascript:;>= 
> hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Rick 
> Jarvis via Talk
> Sent: December 27, 2015 10:54 AM
> To: Samuel Wilkins <sound...@spwnet.co.uk <javascript:;>>; Window-Eyes 
> Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>>
> Subject: Re: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible
>
> Hello all,  I am running windows 10 64 bit with window eyes 9.3 and I 
> made the changes in Thunderbird that Nevel  gave to the list and it 
> sort of helped.  When I open an email and use the mouse it will only 
> read two lines of text and that is all.  If I go from one letter to 
> the next by pressing the 4 key or the 6 key it will read all the 
> letters in those two lines and that is all.  I am using the latest t 
> bird as well.  So it looks like that there will have to be some work 
> done to make the mouse accessible in fire fox and t bird.  Thanks Rick
>
> On 12/26/2015 3:03 PM, Samuel Wilkins via Talk wrote:
> > This should be put on the knowledge base.
> >
> > On 26/12/2015 15:21, Reg Webb via Talk wrote:
> >> Thanks so much Neville. I had taken the first 2 steps, but the 
> >> third one has proved crucial in getting some mouse access back.
> >>
> >> Best wishes
> >>
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Re: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible

[Mike Rogers via Talk]

I have a dumb question:  Where is the configuration editor?  Is this in 
windows, firefox or W.E.?  Can't get to the sirst step.  I'm running Windows 7 
and 9.3 Window Eyes.

Thanks for any help.

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On Sat, 26 Dec 2015 15:21:11 GMT
Reg Webb via Talk  wrote:

> Thanks so much Neville. I had taken the first 2 steps, but the third one
> has proved crucial in getting some mouse access back.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> -- 
> Reg
> 
> 
> On Sat, 26 Dec 2015 10:16:25 +1000
> Neville via Talk  wrote:
> 
> > Hi Listers,
> > Using: W7 HP 32 bit, latest versions of WE, Firefox and Thunderbird
> > 
> > Use the three steps below to make both Firefox and Thunderbird accessible 
> > with the mouse just like they used to be.  I was able to use WE to make the 
> > necessary changes  in Thunderbird but needed sighted assistance for 
> > Firefox.  For some reason WE kept loosing speech in the case of Firefox but 
> > maybe NVDA would work.
> > 
> > A similar method has been around for a while but never had any success with 
> > it but these three steps really work.  In short, I was amazed with the 
> > change in mouse accessibility the alterations made.
> > 
> > Hopefully, someone can come up with a method to make Chrome mouse 
> > accessible as well.
> > 
> > HTH
> > Neville.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > This is the three steps needed to fix the mouse cursor problem.
> > 
> > The third step is the new one.  You do have to arrow down many times to 
> > find it.  A lot do seem to sound the same, so be careful you get the 
> > correct one to change.
> > 
> > 
> > block quote
> > 1. Open the Configuration Editor. In Firefox, enter
> > about:config
> >   in the address bar. In Thunderbird, go to the Tools menu and navigate to 
> > Options, Advanced, General, then Config Editor.
> > 2. Once in the Configuration editor, press TAB until you are in the list of 
> > options.
> > 3. Pressing UP or DOWN ARROW will move you between options or typing the 
> > first few letters of an option's name will move you to a specific option in 
> > the
> > 
> > list.
> > the following are entries to search for:
> > 
> > gfx.direct2d.disabled
> > if the boolean value is set to false, press the enter key to toggle the
> > value to true.
> > 
> > layers.acceleration.disabled
> > if the boolean value is set to false, press the enter key to toggle the
> > value to true.
> > 
> > layers.offmainthreadcomposition.enabled
> > if the boolean value is set to true, press the enter key to toggle the
> > value to false.
> > 
> > press control+w to close the configuration window.
> > restart Thunderbird/Firefox.
> > block quote end
> > 
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Re: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible

[Neville via Talk]

Hi Rick,
That is a real shame that the modifications to Firefox and Thunderbird 
don't work under W10.  It now appears that W7 users, both 32 and 64 
bit,are the only ones to benefit because W8 is not improved either.


I am now having second thoughts about moving up to W10 prior to the 
deadline.


Neville.

On 28/12/2015 1:54 AM, Rick Jarvis via Talk wrote:

Hello all,  I am running windows 10 64 bit with window eyes 9.3 and I
made the changes in Thunderbird that Nevel  gave to the list and it sort
of helped.  When I open an email and use the mouse it will only read two
lines of text and that is all.  If I go from one letter to the next by
pressing the 4 key or the 6 key it will read all the letters in those
two lines and that is all.  I am using the latest t bird as well.  So it
looks like that there will have to be some work done to make the mouse
accessible in fire fox and t bird.  Thanks Rick

On 12/26/2015 3:03 PM, Samuel Wilkins via Talk wrote:

This should be put on the knowledge base.

On 26/12/2015 15:21, Reg Webb via Talk wrote:

Thanks so much Neville. I had taken the first 2 steps, but the third one
has proved crucial in getting some mouse access back.

Best wishes




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RE: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible

[via Talk]

Maybe it depends on the person's environment under Windows 8 and 10? As I am
running a 64-bit version of Windows 10 on my 17 inch Asus, I'll try Firefox
at least and see what happens.

Portia.

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Behalf Of Neville via Talk
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 5:08 PM
To: Rick Jarvis <r.jarvi...@hotmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
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Subject: Re: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible

Hi Rick,
That is a real shame that the modifications to Firefox and Thunderbird don't
work under W10.  It now appears that W7 users, both 32 and 64 bit,are the
only ones to benefit because W8 is not improved either.

I am now having second thoughts about moving up to W10 prior to the
deadline.

Neville.

On 28/12/2015 1:54 AM, Rick Jarvis via Talk wrote:
> Hello all,  I am running windows 10 64 bit with window eyes 9.3 and I 
> made the changes in Thunderbird that Nevel  gave to the list and it 
> sort of helped.  When I open an email and use the mouse it will only 
> read two lines of text and that is all.  If I go from one letter to 
> the next by pressing the 4 key or the 6 key it will read all the 
> letters in those two lines and that is all.  I am using the latest t 
> bird as well.  So it looks like that there will have to be some work 
> done to make the mouse accessible in fire fox and t bird.  Thanks Rick
>
> On 12/26/2015 3:03 PM, Samuel Wilkins via Talk wrote:
>> This should be put on the knowledge base.
>>
>> On 26/12/2015 15:21, Reg Webb via Talk wrote:
>>> Thanks so much Neville. I had taken the first 2 steps, but the third 
>>> one has proved crucial in getting some mouse access back.
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>
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RE: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Rick,

I haven't done the modification yet, but have you used Control-Shift-B
repeatedly until you hear Full screen or, at least, Active Window to be
certain that your mouse pointer is not being limited in its movement?

Hth,

Rod

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Of Rick Jarvis via Talk
Sent: December 27, 2015 10:54 AM
To: Samuel Wilkins <sound...@spwnet.co.uk>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible

Hello all,  I am running windows 10 64 bit with window eyes 9.3 and I 
made the changes in Thunderbird that Nevel  gave to the list and it sort 
of helped.  When I open an email and use the mouse it will only read two 
lines of text and that is all.  If I go from one letter to the next by 
pressing the 4 key or the 6 key it will read all the letters in those 
two lines and that is all.  I am using the latest t bird as well.  So it 
looks like that there will have to be some work done to make the mouse 
accessible in fire fox and t bird.  Thanks Rick

On 12/26/2015 3:03 PM, Samuel Wilkins via Talk wrote:
> This should be put on the knowledge base.
>
> On 26/12/2015 15:21, Reg Webb via Talk wrote:
>> Thanks so much Neville. I had taken the first 2 steps, but the third one
>> has proved crucial in getting some mouse access back.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>
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Re: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible

[net bat via Talk]

there talking about the windows 10 deadline to get it free. this dead line is 
next july 29.


-Original Message- 
From: Kevin Barry via Talk

Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 5:43 PM
To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible

There is no deadline.
You can keep Windows 7 at least until January 2020.
Don't let anybody tell you otherwise.

On Monday, December 28, 2015, Rod Hutton via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


Hi Rick,

I haven't done the modification yet, but have you used Control-Shift-B
repeatedly until you hear Full screen or, at least, Active Window to be
certain that your mouse pointer is not being limited in its movement?

Hth,

Rod

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Of Rick Jarvis via Talk
Sent: December 27, 2015 10:54 AM
To: Samuel Wilkins <sound...@spwnet.co.uk <javascript:;>>; Window-Eyes
Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>>
Subject: Re: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible

Hello all,  I am running windows 10 64 bit with window eyes 9.3 and I
made the changes in Thunderbird that Nevel  gave to the list and it sort
of helped.  When I open an email and use the mouse it will only read two
lines of text and that is all.  If I go from one letter to the next by
pressing the 4 key or the 6 key it will read all the letters in those
two lines and that is all.  I am using the latest t bird as well.  So it
looks like that there will have to be some work done to make the mouse
accessible in fire fox and t bird.  Thanks Rick

On 12/26/2015 3:03 PM, Samuel Wilkins via Talk wrote:
> This should be put on the knowledge base.
>
> On 26/12/2015 15:21, Reg Webb via Talk wrote:
>> Thanks so much Neville. I had taken the first 2 steps, but the third one
>> has proved crucial in getting some mouse access back.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>
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RE: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible

[Andre via Talk]

I was thinking he meant until the free Windows 10 upgrade would no longer be
available, which is I think in July 2016. Could be wrong though.

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On Behalf Of Kevin Barry via Talk
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:44 PM
To: Rod Hutton; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible

There is no deadline.
You can keep Windows 7 at least until January 2020.
Don't let anybody tell you otherwise.

On Monday, December 28, 2015, Rod Hutton via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Hi Rick,
>
> I haven't done the modification yet, but have you used Control-Shift-B
> repeatedly until you hear Full screen or, at least, Active Window to be
> certain that your mouse pointer is not being limited in its movement?
>
> Hth,
>
> Rod
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton <javascript:;>=
> hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>] On Behalf
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> Sent: December 27, 2015 10:54 AM
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> Discussion List
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>>
> Subject: Re: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible
>
> Hello all,  I am running windows 10 64 bit with window eyes 9.3 and I
> made the changes in Thunderbird that Nevel  gave to the list and it sort
> of helped.  When I open an email and use the mouse it will only read two
> lines of text and that is all.  If I go from one letter to the next by
> pressing the 4 key or the 6 key it will read all the letters in those
> two lines and that is all.  I am using the latest t bird as well.  So it
> looks like that there will have to be some work done to make the mouse
> accessible in fire fox and t bird.  Thanks Rick
>
> On 12/26/2015 3:03 PM, Samuel Wilkins via Talk wrote:
> > This should be put on the knowledge base.
> >
> > On 26/12/2015 15:21, Reg Webb via Talk wrote:
> >> Thanks so much Neville. I had taken the first 2 steps, but the third
one
> >> has proved crucial in getting some mouse access back.
> >>
> >> Best wishes
> >>
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Re: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible

[Neville via Talk]

Which version of Windows are you using?
Neville.


On 28/12/2015 12:10 PM, Joseph C. Lininger via Talk wrote:

This worked for me, but there's something people need to know about it.
If you are using an older version of Thudnerbird (I was using 31 prior
to upgrading), the third option will appear set to False as we want it.
Upgrading (I upgraded to the latest version) switches it to True. You
have to go in and disable it after upgrading.
Joe
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Re: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

There is no deadline.
You can keep Windows 7 at least until January 2020.
Don't let anybody tell you otherwise.

On Monday, December 28, 2015, Rod Hutton via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Hi Rick,
>
> I haven't done the modification yet, but have you used Control-Shift-B
> repeatedly until you hear Full screen or, at least, Active Window to be
> certain that your mouse pointer is not being limited in its movement?
>
> Hth,
>
> Rod
>
> -Original Message-
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> Discussion List
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>>
> Subject: Re: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible
>
> Hello all,  I am running windows 10 64 bit with window eyes 9.3 and I
> made the changes in Thunderbird that Nevel  gave to the list and it sort
> of helped.  When I open an email and use the mouse it will only read two
> lines of text and that is all.  If I go from one letter to the next by
> pressing the 4 key or the 6 key it will read all the letters in those
> two lines and that is all.  I am using the latest t bird as well.  So it
> looks like that there will have to be some work done to make the mouse
> accessible in fire fox and t bird.  Thanks Rick
>
> On 12/26/2015 3:03 PM, Samuel Wilkins via Talk wrote:
> > This should be put on the knowledge base.
> >
> > On 26/12/2015 15:21, Reg Webb via Talk wrote:
> >> Thanks so much Neville. I had taken the first 2 steps, but the third one
> >> has proved crucial in getting some mouse access back.
> >>
> >> Best wishes
> >>
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Re: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible

[Joseph C. Lininger via Talk]

This worked for me, but there's something people need to know about it. 
If you are using an older version of Thudnerbird (I was using 31 prior 
to upgrading), the third option will appear set to False as we want it. 
Upgrading (I upgraded to the latest version) switches it to True. You 
have to go in and disable it after upgrading.

Joe
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Re: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible

[Rick Jarvis via Talk]

Hello all,  I am running windows 10 64 bit with window eyes 9.3 and I 
made the changes in Thunderbird that Nevel  gave to the list and it sort 
of helped.  When I open an email and use the mouse it will only read two 
lines of text and that is all.  If I go from one letter to the next by 
pressing the 4 key or the 6 key it will read all the letters in those 
two lines and that is all.  I am using the latest t bird as well.  So it 
looks like that there will have to be some work done to make the mouse 
accessible in fire fox and t bird.  Thanks Rick


On 12/26/2015 3:03 PM, Samuel Wilkins via Talk wrote:

This should be put on the knowledge base.

On 26/12/2015 15:21, Reg Webb via Talk wrote:

Thanks so much Neville. I had taken the first 2 steps, but the third one
has proved crucial in getting some mouse access back.

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Re: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible

[Neville via Talk]

Yes, that is exactly what I meant about the deadline for the free 
upgrade to W10.  W7 will be around for some time yet.


Neville.



On 28/12/2015 11:46 AM, Andre via Talk wrote:

I was thinking he meant until the free Windows 10 upgrade would no longer be
available, which is I think in July 2016. Could be wrong though.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Kevin Barry via Talk
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:44 PM
To: Rod Hutton; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible

There is no deadline.
You can keep Windows 7 at least until January 2020.
Don't let anybody tell you otherwise.

On Monday, December 28, 2015, Rod Hutton via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


Hi Rick,

I haven't done the modification yet, but have you used Control-Shift-B
repeatedly until you hear Full screen or, at least, Active Window to be
certain that your mouse pointer is not being limited in its movement?

Hth,

Rod

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Of Rick Jarvis via Talk
Sent: December 27, 2015 10:54 AM
To: Samuel Wilkins <sound...@spwnet.co.uk <javascript:;>>; Window-Eyes
Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>>
Subject: Re: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible

Hello all,  I am running windows 10 64 bit with window eyes 9.3 and I
made the changes in Thunderbird that Nevel  gave to the list and it sort
of helped.  When I open an email and use the mouse it will only read two
lines of text and that is all.  If I go from one letter to the next by
pressing the 4 key or the 6 key it will read all the letters in those
two lines and that is all.  I am using the latest t bird as well.  So it
looks like that there will have to be some work done to make the mouse
accessible in fire fox and t bird.  Thanks Rick

On 12/26/2015 3:03 PM, Samuel Wilkins via Talk wrote:

This should be put on the knowledge base.

On 26/12/2015 15:21, Reg Webb via Talk wrote:

Thanks so much Neville. I had taken the first 2 steps, but the third

one

has proved crucial in getting some mouse access back.

Best wishes




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Re: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible

[net bat via Talk]

you don't have to wait for the deadline.
the chances are the installation files have already been downloaded to your 
computer.
you would have to open folder options where the options are to unhide system 
files.
then look for a windows bt folder in the rood directory. this is where the 
windows 10 files would be downloaded. they should all be there by now. 
microsoft is downloading these files while your computer is idle. it should 
have the setup.exe file in this folder.
so it probibly would still install windows 10 if you copied them to a flash 
drive.

***
you could download the  creation tool and burn it to dvd or to a flash drive 
and install it later.
i don't know if it would install after the deadline next july. but you would 
have the files.

from what i have read this tool also includes the second upgrade
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-upgrade

-Original Message- 
From: Neville via Talk

Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 5:08 PM
To: Rick Jarvis ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible

Hi Rick,
That is a real shame that the modifications to Firefox and Thunderbird
don't work under W10.  It now appears that W7 users, both 32 and 64
bit,are the only ones to benefit because W8 is not improved either.

I am now having second thoughts about moving up to W10 prior to the
deadline.

Neville.

On 28/12/2015 1:54 AM, Rick Jarvis via Talk wrote:

Hello all,  I am running windows 10 64 bit with window eyes 9.3 and I
made the changes in Thunderbird that Nevel  gave to the list and it sort
of helped.  When I open an email and use the mouse it will only read two
lines of text and that is all.  If I go from one letter to the next by
pressing the 4 key or the 6 key it will read all the letters in those
two lines and that is all.  I am using the latest t bird as well.  So it
looks like that there will have to be some work done to make the mouse
accessible in fire fox and t bird.  Thanks Rick

On 12/26/2015 3:03 PM, Samuel Wilkins via Talk wrote:

This should be put on the knowledge base.

On 26/12/2015 15:21, Reg Webb via Talk wrote:

Thanks so much Neville. I had taken the first 2 steps, but the third one
has proved crucial in getting some mouse access back.

Best wishes




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RE: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible

[via Talk]

After 1 year, the upgrade will cost money, however. I think that is what he
means?

Portia.

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Behalf Of Kevin Barry via Talk
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To: Rod Hutton <rod_hut...@hotmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible

There is no deadline.
You can keep Windows 7 at least until January 2020.
Don't let anybody tell you otherwise.

On Monday, December 28, 2015, Rod Hutton via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Hi Rick,
>
> I haven't done the modification yet, but have you used Control-Shift-B 
> repeatedly until you hear Full screen or, at least, Active Window to 
> be certain that your mouse pointer is not being limited in its movement?
>
> Hth,
>
> Rod
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton <javascript:;>= 
> hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Rick 
> Jarvis via Talk
> Sent: December 27, 2015 10:54 AM
> To: Samuel Wilkins <sound...@spwnet.co.uk <javascript:;>>; Window-Eyes 
> Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>>
> Subject: Re: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible
>
> Hello all,  I am running windows 10 64 bit with window eyes 9.3 and I 
> made the changes in Thunderbird that Nevel  gave to the list and it 
> sort of helped.  When I open an email and use the mouse it will only 
> read two lines of text and that is all.  If I go from one letter to 
> the next by pressing the 4 key or the 6 key it will read all the 
> letters in those two lines and that is all.  I am using the latest t 
> bird as well.  So it looks like that there will have to be some work 
> done to make the mouse accessible in fire fox and t bird.  Thanks Rick
>
> On 12/26/2015 3:03 PM, Samuel Wilkins via Talk wrote:
> > This should be put on the knowledge base.
> >
> > On 26/12/2015 15:21, Reg Webb via Talk wrote:
> >> Thanks so much Neville. I had taken the first 2 steps, but the 
> >> third one has proved crucial in getting some mouse access back.
> >>
> >> Best wishes
> >>
> >
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Re: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Thanks so much Neville. I had taken the first 2 steps, but the third one
has proved crucial in getting some mouse access back.

Best wishes

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On Sat, 26 Dec 2015 10:16:25 +1000
Neville via Talk  wrote:

> Hi Listers,
> Using: W7 HP 32 bit, latest versions of WE, Firefox and Thunderbird
> 
> Use the three steps below to make both Firefox and Thunderbird accessible 
> with the mouse just like they used to be.  I was able to use WE to make the 
> necessary changes  in Thunderbird but needed sighted assistance for Firefox.  
> For some reason WE kept loosing speech in the case of Firefox but maybe NVDA 
> would work.
> 
> A similar method has been around for a while but never had any success with 
> it but these three steps really work.  In short, I was amazed with the change 
> in mouse accessibility the alterations made.
> 
> Hopefully, someone can come up with a method to make Chrome mouse accessible 
> as well.
> 
> HTH
> Neville.
> 
> 
> 
> This is the three steps needed to fix the mouse cursor problem.
> 
> The third step is the new one.  You do have to arrow down many times to find 
> it.  A lot do seem to sound the same, so be careful you get the correct one 
> to change.
> 
> 
> block quote
> 1. Open the Configuration Editor. In Firefox, enter
> about:config
>   in the address bar. In Thunderbird, go to the Tools menu and navigate to 
> Options, Advanced, General, then Config Editor.
> 2. Once in the Configuration editor, press TAB until you are in the list of 
> options.
> 3. Pressing UP or DOWN ARROW will move you between options or typing the 
> first few letters of an option's name will move you to a specific option in 
> the
> 
> list.
> the following are entries to search for:
> 
> gfx.direct2d.disabled
> if the boolean value is set to false, press the enter key to toggle the
> value to true.
> 
> layers.acceleration.disabled
> if the boolean value is set to false, press the enter key to toggle the
> value to true.
> 
> layers.offmainthreadcomposition.enabled
> if the boolean value is set to true, press the enter key to toggle the
> value to false.
> 
> press control+w to close the configuration window.
> restart Thunderbird/Firefox.
> block quote end
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Re: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Neville, thanks for your efforts. I really don't know why it should be 
that some people have such good luck with such modifications, and 
others, like me,  never get anywhere. I still get nothing but a line 
with the word "file," and the first line of the message, and a ding 
below that. If anyone else can give me any ideas as to why this should 
be, please let me, as well as the rest of us know.


All I can say is that if  ISquared and all other screen reading 
developers can find no way to deal with this new method of handling the 
mouse pointer, we all better hope and even pray that this method doesn't 
become too popular among commercial or open source application 
developers, because if it does, there goes any possible use of a mouse 
pointer for speech access. This issue simply has to be addressed and 
dealt with, not just accepted by screen reader developers.


On 12/25/2015 6:16 PM, Neville via Talk wrote:

Hi Listers,
Using: W7 HP 32 bit, latest versions of WE, Firefox and Thunderbird

Use the three steps below to make both Firefox and Thunderbird 
accessible with the mouse just like they used to be.  I was able to 
use WE to make the necessary changes  in Thunderbird but needed 
sighted assistance for Firefox.  For some reason WE kept loosing 
speech in the case of Firefox but maybe NVDA would work.


A similar method has been around for a while but never had any success 
with it but these three steps really work.  In short, I was amazed 
with the change in mouse accessibility the alterations made.


Hopefully, someone can come up with a method to make Chrome mouse 
accessible as well.


HTH
Neville.



This is the three steps needed to fix the mouse cursor problem.

The third step is the new one.  You do have to arrow down many times 
to find it.  A lot do seem to sound the same, so be careful you get 
the correct one to change.



block quote
1. Open the Configuration Editor. In Firefox, enter
about:config
 in the address bar. In Thunderbird, go to the Tools menu and navigate 
to Options, Advanced, General, then Config Editor.
2. Once in the Configuration editor, press TAB until you are in the 
list of options.
3. Pressing UP or DOWN ARROW will move you between options or typing 
the first few letters of an option's name will move you to a specific 
option in the


list.
the following are entries to search for:

gfx.direct2d.disabled
if the boolean value is set to false, press the enter key to toggle the
value to true.

layers.acceleration.disabled
if the boolean value is set to false, press the enter key to toggle the
value to true.

layers.offmainthreadcomposition.enabled
if the boolean value is set to true, press the enter key to toggle the
value to false.

press control+w to close the configuration window.
restart Thunderbird/Firefox.
block quote end


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Re: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

I made the modififcations and I am using windows 7 64 bit pro and Yes 
they do work.


On 12/26/2015 7:27 PM, Neville via Talk wrote:

Hi Larry,
These modifications work in W7 32 bit but no idea if they  make a 
difference in W8 or W10 or even 64 bit.


What OS are you using?

As we are being pested to move to W10, it would be a real shame if 
this technique did not make a difference under this OS.

  A case of one step forward and two steps backward if it does not.

Neville.



On 26/12/2015 9:34 PM, Larry Higgins wrote:

Neville, thanks for your efforts. I really don't know why it should be
that some people have such good luck with such modifications, and
others, like me,  never get anywhere. I still get nothing but a line
with the word "file," and the first line of the message, and a ding
below that. If anyone else can give me any ideas as to why this should
be, please let me, as well as the rest of us know.

All I can say is that if  ISquared and all other screen reading
developers can find no way to deal with this new method of handling the
mouse pointer, we all better hope and even pray that this method doesn't
become too popular among commercial or open source application
developers, because if it does, there goes any possible use of a mouse
pointer for speech access. This issue simply has to be addressed and
dealt with, not just accepted by screen reader developers.

On 12/25/2015 6:16 PM, Neville via Talk wrote:

Hi Listers,
Using: W7 HP 32 bit, latest versions of WE, Firefox and Thunderbird

Use the three steps below to make both Firefox and Thunderbird
accessible with the mouse just like they used to be.  I was able to
use WE to make the necessary changes  in Thunderbird but needed
sighted assistance for Firefox.  For some reason WE kept loosing
speech in the case of Firefox but maybe NVDA would work.

A similar method has been around for a while but never had any success
with it but these three steps really work.  In short, I was amazed
with the change in mouse accessibility the alterations made.

Hopefully, someone can come up with a method to make Chrome mouse
accessible as well.

HTH
Neville.



This is the three steps needed to fix the mouse cursor problem.

The third step is the new one.  You do have to arrow down many times
to find it.  A lot do seem to sound the same, so be careful you get
the correct one to change.


block quote
1. Open the Configuration Editor. In Firefox, enter
about:config
 in the address bar. In Thunderbird, go to the Tools menu and navigate
to Options, Advanced, General, then Config Editor.
2. Once in the Configuration editor, press TAB until you are in the
list of options.
3. Pressing UP or DOWN ARROW will move you between options or typing
the first few letters of an option's name will move you to a specific
option in the

list.
the following are entries to search for:

gfx.direct2d.disabled
if the boolean value is set to false, press the enter key to toggle the
value to true.

layers.acceleration.disabled
if the boolean value is set to false, press the enter key to toggle the
value to true.

layers.offmainthreadcomposition.enabled
if the boolean value is set to true, press the enter key to toggle the
value to false.

press control+w to close the configuration window.
restart Thunderbird/Firefox.
block quote end


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Re: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible

[Samuel Wilkins via Talk]

This should be put on the knowledge base.

On 26/12/2015 15:21, Reg Webb via Talk wrote:

Thanks so much Neville. I had taken the first 2 steps, but the third one
has proved crucial in getting some mouse access back.

Best wishes



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Re: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible

[Neville via Talk]

Hi Larry,
These modifications work in W7 32 bit but no idea if they  make a 
difference in W8 or W10 or even 64 bit.


What OS are you using?

As we are being pested to move to W10, it would be a real shame if this 
technique did not make a difference under this OS.

  A case of one step forward and two steps backward if it does not.

Neville.



On 26/12/2015 9:34 PM, Larry Higgins wrote:

Neville, thanks for your efforts. I really don't know why it should be
that some people have such good luck with such modifications, and
others, like me,  never get anywhere. I still get nothing but a line
with the word "file," and the first line of the message, and a ding
below that. If anyone else can give me any ideas as to why this should
be, please let me, as well as the rest of us know.

All I can say is that if  ISquared and all other screen reading
developers can find no way to deal with this new method of handling the
mouse pointer, we all better hope and even pray that this method doesn't
become too popular among commercial or open source application
developers, because if it does, there goes any possible use of a mouse
pointer for speech access. This issue simply has to be addressed and
dealt with, not just accepted by screen reader developers.

On 12/25/2015 6:16 PM, Neville via Talk wrote:

Hi Listers,
Using: W7 HP 32 bit, latest versions of WE, Firefox and Thunderbird

Use the three steps below to make both Firefox and Thunderbird
accessible with the mouse just like they used to be.  I was able to
use WE to make the necessary changes  in Thunderbird but needed
sighted assistance for Firefox.  For some reason WE kept loosing
speech in the case of Firefox but maybe NVDA would work.

A similar method has been around for a while but never had any success
with it but these three steps really work.  In short, I was amazed
with the change in mouse accessibility the alterations made.

Hopefully, someone can come up with a method to make Chrome mouse
accessible as well.

HTH
Neville.



This is the three steps needed to fix the mouse cursor problem.

The third step is the new one.  You do have to arrow down many times
to find it.  A lot do seem to sound the same, so be careful you get
the correct one to change.


block quote
1. Open the Configuration Editor. In Firefox, enter
about:config
 in the address bar. In Thunderbird, go to the Tools menu and navigate
to Options, Advanced, General, then Config Editor.
2. Once in the Configuration editor, press TAB until you are in the
list of options.
3. Pressing UP or DOWN ARROW will move you between options or typing
the first few letters of an option's name will move you to a specific
option in the

list.
the following are entries to search for:

gfx.direct2d.disabled
if the boolean value is set to false, press the enter key to toggle the
value to true.

layers.acceleration.disabled
if the boolean value is set to false, press the enter key to toggle the
value to true.

layers.offmainthreadcomposition.enabled
if the boolean value is set to true, press the enter key to toggle the
value to false.

press control+w to close the configuration window.
restart Thunderbird/Firefox.
block quote end


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Re: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Neville,

Sorry I didn't include that info in my previous message.

I am using WE 9.3 with windows 8.1 64 bit, and from all indications, I 
am using the versions of both Firefox and Thunderbird adapted for the 
64   bit operating systems as well.


Like I said before, I think AI Squared really needs to sit down with 
someone who can either explain just what makes this particular take on 
the technology so wonderful, if not absolutely necessary, and maybe read 
them the riot act on these kinds of issues. This cannot stand! End of 
short rant .


On 12/26/2015 7:27 PM, Neville wrote:

Hi Larry,
These modifications work in W7 32 bit but no idea if they  make a 
difference in W8 or W10 or even 64 bit.


What OS are you using?

As we are being pested to move to W10, it would be a real shame if 
this technique did not make a difference under this OS.

  A case of one step forward and two steps backward if it does not.

Neville.



On 26/12/2015 9:34 PM, Larry Higgins wrote:

Neville, thanks for your efforts. I really don't know why it should be
that some people have such good luck with such modifications, and
others, like me,  never get anywhere. I still get nothing but a line
with the word "file," and the first line of the message, and a ding
below that. If anyone else can give me any ideas as to why this should
be, please let me, as well as the rest of us know.

All I can say is that if  ISquared and all other screen reading
developers can find no way to deal with this new method of handling the
mouse pointer, we all better hope and even pray that this method doesn't
become too popular among commercial or open source application
developers, because if it does, there goes any possible use of a mouse
pointer for speech access. This issue simply has to be addressed and
dealt with, not just accepted by screen reader developers.

On 12/25/2015 6:16 PM, Neville via Talk wrote:

Hi Listers,
Using: W7 HP 32 bit, latest versions of WE, Firefox and Thunderbird

Use the three steps below to make both Firefox and Thunderbird
accessible with the mouse just like they used to be.  I was able to
use WE to make the necessary changes  in Thunderbird but needed
sighted assistance for Firefox.  For some reason WE kept loosing
speech in the case of Firefox but maybe NVDA would work.

A similar method has been around for a while but never had any success
with it but these three steps really work.  In short, I was amazed
with the change in mouse accessibility the alterations made.

Hopefully, someone can come up with a method to make Chrome mouse
accessible as well.

HTH
Neville.



This is the three steps needed to fix the mouse cursor problem.

The third step is the new one.  You do have to arrow down many times
to find it.  A lot do seem to sound the same, so be careful you get
the correct one to change.


block quote
1. Open the Configuration Editor. In Firefox, enter
about:config
 in the address bar. In Thunderbird, go to the Tools menu and navigate
to Options, Advanced, General, then Config Editor.
2. Once in the Configuration editor, press TAB until you are in the
list of options.
3. Pressing UP or DOWN ARROW will move you between options or typing
the first few letters of an option's name will move you to a specific
option in the

list.
the following are entries to search for:

gfx.direct2d.disabled
if the boolean value is set to false, press the enter key to toggle the
value to true.

layers.acceleration.disabled
if the boolean value is set to false, press the enter key to toggle the
value to true.

layers.offmainthreadcomposition.enabled
if the boolean value is set to true, press the enter key to toggle the
value to false.

press control+w to close the configuration window.
restart Thunderbird/Firefox.
block quote end


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