Re: two way contracted Braille input on Braille displays
When I was talking about not being able to do contracted braille input into the computer via the Alva, I was talking about standard grade two. If I am writing in the notes section of the Alva, using it like a notetaker, I can write in grade two. But if I have it hooked up to the computer using it as a braille display, I can't input stuff from the Alva onto the computer using the Alva's keyboard. Pam. -Original Message- From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 4:01 PM To: 'Kevin Huber' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: two way contracted Braille input on Braille displays Maybe my below contribution reflects user inadequacy: just looking at the settings for my Alva bc640, it is not clear that braille input includes contracted, as per new UEBC requirements. Its internal Notes app, which is a primitive notepad, might accept contracted braille, but I don't use it so will need to experiment. A recent look at the Optelec website as taken via VFO does not indicate that there are upgraded braille tables or firmware which should be installed. Doug: great having you contributing to this discussion. Once the future of Window-Eyes as a going concern for development is confirmed, my strong recommendation is to regard features like direct contracted braille input to be part of Window-eyes. Knowing that I've banged on for ages about updating braille support generally,and accepting that there is reliance upon display manufacturers, my hope is that VFO will properly resource this aspect of screen reader development. Vaughan. research/regional/auckland/auckland-health-disability-resources.html -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk Sent: Thursday, 20 October 2016 5:39 a.m. To: Doug Geoffray; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: two way contracted Braille input on Braille displays Hi Doug: I think the braille display that you are talking about is the Alva 640. As far as I recall, the Alva 640 alows for contracted braille input. Kevin Huber On 10/18/16, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote: Hello Roger, Wow, it has been a long time. I was not aware of your health issues but applaud you for telling those doctors/statisticians what they can do with their odds (smile)! Window-Eyes core never allowed for contracted braille input. This is something that could be added to the individual braille drivers and I thought there was a braille manufacturer which actually took advantage of that in their Window-Eyes braille driver but I'm not certain. Because most braille drivers are developed by the braille manufacturer, I lose track of what displays are out there and how they work with Window-Eyes. I've wanted to add contracted input into Window-Eyes core but have never gotten to it. It is still on the wish list. Regards, Doug On 10/18/2016 9:46 AM, Adaptive Information Systems Inc. wrote: Hi Doug, I wanted to ask you about two way entry with Braille displays and Window-eyes 9.53. If my memory is correct, I thought we had contracted two way entry with Braille displays and the BrailleNote devices with earlier versions of Window-eyes. I have customers who are using Window-eyes, like TVI teachers who own a Brailliant BI display from HumanWare and can't do contracted Braille input from their Brailliant BI to the computer, like word or email, it is all computer Braille only. I see that NVDA 2016.3 also is only doing computer Braille input too. While Jaws still offers contracted two way input from a Braille display. Is contracted two way input something that did happen years ago? Is this something that can be included in future releases of Window-eyes? It is a pain to have to type in computer Braille using a perkins style keyboard on a Braille display. Thank you for your time! I am still alive and kicking after 2013 and doctors gave me a 1% diagnoses that I would live and I beat that! But now I am fighting cancer of the Prostate, Dam! Regards, Roger a. Behm, President Adaptive Information Systems Inc. We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled Roger A. Behm, President 1611 Clover Lane Janesville WI 53545-1388 Fax: 608-758-7898 Voice: 608-758-0933 Email: aist...@ameritech.net Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 8:15 AM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Re: history of window eyes Just wanted to correct a few things (smile). Malcolm created Screen-Talk which later became Screen-Talk Pro (linked with ProKey). As stated, he may of wanted to call this Vocal-Eyes but Bill Grimm didn't like that name, at the time. I had nothing to do with Screen-Talk. I did c
RE: two way contracted Braille input on Braille displays
Pam: Window-Eyes supports uncontracted braille input, specifically computer code. It will support contracted braille output. The Alva will allow you to enter computer code as driven by Window-Eyes. Best. Vaughan. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk Sent: Thursday, 20 October 2016 8:50 a.m. To: Kevin Huber; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: two way contracted Braille input on Braille displays I have the Alva BC 640, and I tried doing contracted braille input with window eyes. I found that it didn't work. Then I was told that window eyes didn't support braille input. Pam. -Original Message- From: Kevin Huber via Talk Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 12:39 PM To: Doug Geoffray ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: two way contracted Braille input on Braille displays Hi Doug: I think the braille display that you are talking about is the Alva 640. As far as I recall, the Alva 640 alows for contracted braille input. Kevin Huber On 10/18/16, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote: > Hello Roger, > > Wow, it has been a long time. I was not aware of your health issues > but applaud you for telling those doctors/statisticians what they can > do with their odds (smile)! > > Window-Eyes core never allowed for contracted braille input. This is > something that could be added to the individual braille drivers and I > thought there was a braille manufacturer which actually took advantage > of that in their Window-Eyes braille driver but I'm not certain. > Because most braille drivers are developed by the braille > manufacturer, I lose track of what displays are out there and how they > work with Window-Eyes. I've wanted to add contracted input into > Window-Eyes core but have never gotten to it. It is still on the wish list. > > Regards, > Doug > > On 10/18/2016 9:46 AM, Adaptive Information Systems Inc. wrote: >> Hi Doug, >> >> I wanted to ask you about two way entry with Braille displays and >> Window-eyes 9.53. >> >> If my memory is correct, I thought we had contracted two way entry >> with Braille displays and the BrailleNote devices with earlier >> versions of Window-eyes. >> >> I have customers who are using Window-eyes, like TVI teachers who own >> a Brailliant BI display from HumanWare and can't do contracted >> Braille input from their Brailliant BI to the computer, like word or >> email, it is all computer Braille only. >> >> I see that NVDA 2016.3 also is only doing computer Braille input too. >> >> While Jaws still offers contracted two way input from a Braille display. >> >> Is contracted two way input something that did happen years ago? >> >> Is this something that can be included in future releases of >> Window-eyes? >> >> It is a pain to have to type in computer Braille using a perkins >> style keyboard on a Braille display. >> >> Thank you for your time! >> >> I am still alive and kicking after 2013 and doctors gave me a 1% >> diagnoses that I would live and I beat that! But now I am fighting >> cancer of the Prostate, Dam! >> >> Regards, >> >> Roger a. Behm, President >> >> >> >> >> Adaptive Information Systems Inc. >> We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading >> Disabled >> >> Roger A. Behm, President >> 1611 Clover Lane >> Janesville WI 53545-1388 >> Fax: 608-758-7898 >> Voice: 608-758-0933 >> Email: aist...@ameritech.net >> Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] >> On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk >> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 8:15 AM >> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com >> Subject: Re: history of window eyes >> >> Just wanted to correct a few things (smile). >> >> Malcolm created Screen-Talk which later became Screen-Talk Pro >> (linked with ProKey). As stated, he may of wanted to call this >> Vocal-Eyes but Bill Grimm didn't like that name, at the time. I had >> nothing to do with Screen-Talk. I did create most of the Apple 2 >> software such as Braille-Out which later turned to Braille-Talk, and >> Word-Talk and File-Talk and Term-Talk (prior to Term-Talk it was >> Talking Transend) and several other smaller things as well as the TTS >> engine for all Sounding Board variants. I also created all the >> software for the Small-Talk portable computer, except for the >&
RE: two way contracted Braille input on Braille displays
Maybe my below contribution reflects user inadequacy: just looking at the settings for my Alva bc640, it is not clear that braille input includes contracted, as per new UEBC requirements. Its internal Notes app, which is a primitive notepad, might accept contracted braille, but I don't use it so will need to experiment. A recent look at the Optelec website as taken via VFO does not indicate that there are upgraded braille tables or firmware which should be installed. Doug: great having you contributing to this discussion. Once the future of Window-Eyes as a going concern for development is confirmed, my strong recommendation is to regard features like direct contracted braille input to be part of Window-eyes. Knowing that I've banged on for ages about updating braille support generally,and accepting that there is reliance upon display manufacturers, my hope is that VFO will properly resource this aspect of screen reader development. Vaughan. research/regional/auckland/auckland-health-disability-resources.html -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk Sent: Thursday, 20 October 2016 5:39 a.m. To: Doug Geoffray; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: two way contracted Braille input on Braille displays Hi Doug: I think the braille display that you are talking about is the Alva 640. As far as I recall, the Alva 640 alows for contracted braille input. Kevin Huber On 10/18/16, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote: > Hello Roger, > > Wow, it has been a long time. I was not aware of your health issues > but applaud you for telling those doctors/statisticians what they can > do with their odds (smile)! > > Window-Eyes core never allowed for contracted braille input. This is > something that could be added to the individual braille drivers and I > thought there was a braille manufacturer which actually took advantage > of that in their Window-Eyes braille driver but I'm not certain. > Because most braille drivers are developed by the braille > manufacturer, I lose track of what displays are out there and how they > work with Window-Eyes. I've wanted to add contracted input into > Window-Eyes core but have never gotten to it. It is still on the wish list. > > Regards, > Doug > > On 10/18/2016 9:46 AM, Adaptive Information Systems Inc. wrote: >> Hi Doug, >> >> I wanted to ask you about two way entry with Braille displays and >> Window-eyes 9.53. >> >> If my memory is correct, I thought we had contracted two way entry >> with Braille displays and the BrailleNote devices with earlier >> versions of Window-eyes. >> >> I have customers who are using Window-eyes, like TVI teachers who own >> a Brailliant BI display from HumanWare and can't do contracted >> Braille input from their Brailliant BI to the computer, like word or >> email, it is all computer Braille only. >> >> I see that NVDA 2016.3 also is only doing computer Braille input too. >> >> While Jaws still offers contracted two way input from a Braille display. >> >> Is contracted two way input something that did happen years ago? >> >> Is this something that can be included in future releases of >> Window-eyes? >> >> It is a pain to have to type in computer Braille using a perkins >> style keyboard on a Braille display. >> >> Thank you for your time! >> >> I am still alive and kicking after 2013 and doctors gave me a 1% >> diagnoses that I would live and I beat that! But now I am fighting >> cancer of the Prostate, Dam! >> >> Regards, >> >> Roger a. Behm, President >> >> >> >> >> Adaptive Information Systems Inc. >> We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading >> Disabled >> >> Roger A. Behm, President >> 1611 Clover Lane >> Janesville WI 53545-1388 >> Fax: 608-758-7898 >> Voice: 608-758-0933 >> Email: aist...@ameritech.net >> Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] >> On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk >> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 8:15 AM >> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com >> Subject: Re: history of window eyes >> >> Just wanted to correct a few things (smile). >> >> Malcolm created Screen-Talk which later became Screen-Talk Pro >> (linked with ProKey). As stated, he may of wanted to call this >> Vocal-Eyes but Bill Grimm didn't like that name, at the time. I had >> nothing to do with Screen-Talk. I d
Re: two way contracted Braille input on Braille displays
I have the Alva BC 640, and I tried doing contracted braille input with window eyes. I found that it didn't work. Then I was told that window eyes didn't support braille input. Pam. -Original Message- From: Kevin Huber via Talk Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 12:39 PM To: Doug Geoffray ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: two way contracted Braille input on Braille displays Hi Doug: I think the braille display that you are talking about is the Alva 640. As far as I recall, the Alva 640 alows for contracted braille input. Kevin Huber On 10/18/16, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote: Hello Roger, Wow, it has been a long time. I was not aware of your health issues but applaud you for telling those doctors/statisticians what they can do with their odds (smile)! Window-Eyes core never allowed for contracted braille input. This is something that could be added to the individual braille drivers and I thought there was a braille manufacturer which actually took advantage of that in their Window-Eyes braille driver but I'm not certain. Because most braille drivers are developed by the braille manufacturer, I lose track of what displays are out there and how they work with Window-Eyes. I've wanted to add contracted input into Window-Eyes core but have never gotten to it. It is still on the wish list. Regards, Doug On 10/18/2016 9:46 AM, Adaptive Information Systems Inc. wrote: Hi Doug, I wanted to ask you about two way entry with Braille displays and Window-eyes 9.53. If my memory is correct, I thought we had contracted two way entry with Braille displays and the BrailleNote devices with earlier versions of Window-eyes. I have customers who are using Window-eyes, like TVI teachers who own a Brailliant BI display from HumanWare and can't do contracted Braille input from their Brailliant BI to the computer, like word or email, it is all computer Braille only. I see that NVDA 2016.3 also is only doing computer Braille input too. While Jaws still offers contracted two way input from a Braille display. Is contracted two way input something that did happen years ago? Is this something that can be included in future releases of Window-eyes? It is a pain to have to type in computer Braille using a perkins style keyboard on a Braille display. Thank you for your time! I am still alive and kicking after 2013 and doctors gave me a 1% diagnoses that I would live and I beat that! But now I am fighting cancer of the Prostate, Dam! Regards, Roger a. Behm, President Adaptive Information Systems Inc. We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled Roger A. Behm, President 1611 Clover Lane Janesville WI 53545-1388 Fax: 608-758-7898 Voice: 608-758-0933 Email: aist...@ameritech.net Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 8:15 AM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Re: history of window eyes Just wanted to correct a few things (smile). Malcolm created Screen-Talk which later became Screen-Talk Pro (linked with ProKey). As stated, he may of wanted to call this Vocal-Eyes but Bill Grimm didn't like that name, at the time. I had nothing to do with Screen-Talk. I did create most of the Apple 2 software such as Braille-Out which later turned to Braille-Talk, and Word-Talk and File-Talk and Term-Talk (prior to Term-Talk it was Talking Transend) and several other smaller things as well as the TTS engine for all Sounding Board variants. I also created all the software for the Small-Talk portable computer, except for the Calc-Talk module, ah, fun times (smile). In 1988 I started from scratch with Vocal-Eyes. This was completely different from the work Malcolm did. I almost finished Vocal-Eyes when Bill Grimm got burnt out and decided to close Computer Aids, which officially closed November 1989. I had started working at Computer Aids in the early 80's as a contractor and around 1983 started full time as an employee. Dan Weirich started around 1987ish and worked on the hardware. So after Computer Aids closed in 1989, Dan and I started GW Micro February 15, 1990. I spent another 6 or so months finalizing Vocal-Eyes and released it right after that. As for Bill Grimm, he did die but it was a few years later...I can't remember the exact year but it was around 1994 or 95. We started working on Window-Eyes around 1994 and released 1.0 in October 1995. Doug On 10/17/2016 2:41 PM, Dave Basden via Talk wrote: I might add that Malcolm, who worked as a ranger at Yosemite near Fresno where I lived at the time, initially called his PC screenreader Vocal-Eyes and I was one of the beneficiaries. He had originally designed it for a fellow ranger at Yosemite who was only partially sighted. I still see his name on the lists occasionally. Bill Grimm w
Re: two way contracted Braille input on Braille displays
Thanks Kevin, I was thinking it was one of the Alva displays but I wasn't sure and even if it was, exactly what model. Doug On 10/19/2016 12:39 PM, Kevin Huber wrote: > Hi Doug: > > I think the braille display that you are talking about is the Alva > 640. As far as I recall, the Alva 640 alows for contracted braille > input. > > Kevin Huber > > > On 10/18/16, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote: >> Hello Roger, >> >> Wow, it has been a long time. I was not aware of your health issues but >> applaud you for telling those doctors/statisticians what they can do >> with their odds (smile)! >> >> Window-Eyes core never allowed for contracted braille input. This is >> something that could be added to the individual braille drivers and I >> thought there was a braille manufacturer which actually took advantage >> of that in their Window-Eyes braille driver but I'm not certain. >> Because most braille drivers are developed by the braille manufacturer, >> I lose track of what displays are out there and how they work with >> Window-Eyes. I've wanted to add contracted input into Window-Eyes core >> but have never gotten to it. It is still on the wish list. >> >> Regards, >> Doug >> >> On 10/18/2016 9:46 AM, Adaptive Information Systems Inc. wrote: >>> Hi Doug, >>> >>> I wanted to ask you about two way entry with Braille displays and >>> Window-eyes 9.53. >>> >>> If my memory is correct, I thought we had contracted two way entry with >>> Braille displays and the BrailleNote devices with earlier versions of >>> Window-eyes. >>> >>> I have customers who are using Window-eyes, like TVI teachers who own a >>> Brailliant BI display from HumanWare and can't do contracted Braille >>> input >>> from their Brailliant BI to the computer, like word or email, it is all >>> computer Braille only. >>> >>> I see that NVDA 2016.3 also is only doing computer Braille input too. >>> >>> While Jaws still offers contracted two way input from a Braille display. >>> >>> Is contracted two way input something that did happen years ago? >>> >>> Is this something that can be included in future releases of >>> Window-eyes? >>> >>> It is a pain to have to type in computer Braille using a perkins style >>> keyboard on a Braille display. >>> >>> Thank you for your time! >>> >>> I am still alive and kicking after 2013 and doctors gave me a 1% >>> diagnoses >>> that I would live and I beat that! But now I am fighting cancer of the >>> Prostate, Dam! >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Roger a. Behm, President >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Adaptive Information Systems Inc. >>> We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled >>> >>> Roger A. Behm, President >>> 1611 Clover Lane >>> Janesville WI 53545-1388 >>> Fax: 608-758-7898 >>> Voice: 608-758-0933 >>> Email: aist...@ameritech.net >>> Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Talk >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] >>> On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 8:15 AM >>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com >>> Subject: Re: history of window eyes >>> >>> Just wanted to correct a few things (smile). >>> >>> Malcolm created Screen-Talk which later became Screen-Talk Pro (linked >>> with ProKey). As stated, he may of wanted to call this Vocal-Eyes but >>> Bill Grimm didn't like that name, at the time. I had nothing to do with >>> Screen-Talk. I did create most of the Apple 2 software such as >>> Braille-Out which later turned to Braille-Talk, and Word-Talk and >>> File-Talk and Term-Talk (prior to Term-Talk it was Talking Transend) and >>> several other smaller things as well as the TTS engine for all Sounding >>> Board variants. I also created all the software for the Small-Talk >>> portable computer, except for the Calc-Talk module, ah, fun times >>> (smile). >>> >>> In 1988 I started from scratch with Vocal-Eyes. This was completely >>> different from the work Malcolm did. I almost finished Vocal-Eyes when >>> Bill Grimm got burnt out and decided to close Computer Aids, which >>> officially closed November 1989. I had started working at Computer Aids >>> in the early 80's as a contractor and around 1983 started full time as >>> an employee. Dan Weirich started around 1987ish and worked on the >>> hardware. So after Computer Aids closed in 1989, Dan and I started GW >>> Micro February 15, 1990. I spent another 6 or so months finalizing >>> Vocal-Eyes and released it right after that. As for Bill Grimm, he did >>> die but it was a few years later...I can't remember the exact year but >>> it was around 1994 or 95. >>> >>> We started working on Window-Eyes around 1994 and released 1.0 in >>> October 1995. >>> >>> Doug >>> >>> On 10/17/2016 2:41 PM, Dave Basden via Talk wrote: I might add that Malcolm, who worked as a ranger at Yosemite near Fresno where I lived at the time, initially called his PC screenreader Vocal-Eyes and I was one of the beneficiaries. He had orig
Re: two way contracted Braille input on Braille displays
Hi Doug: I think the braille display that you are talking about is the Alva 640. As far as I recall, the Alva 640 alows for contracted braille input. Kevin Huber On 10/18/16, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote: > Hello Roger, > > Wow, it has been a long time. I was not aware of your health issues but > applaud you for telling those doctors/statisticians what they can do > with their odds (smile)! > > Window-Eyes core never allowed for contracted braille input. This is > something that could be added to the individual braille drivers and I > thought there was a braille manufacturer which actually took advantage > of that in their Window-Eyes braille driver but I'm not certain. > Because most braille drivers are developed by the braille manufacturer, > I lose track of what displays are out there and how they work with > Window-Eyes. I've wanted to add contracted input into Window-Eyes core > but have never gotten to it. It is still on the wish list. > > Regards, > Doug > > On 10/18/2016 9:46 AM, Adaptive Information Systems Inc. wrote: >> Hi Doug, >> >> I wanted to ask you about two way entry with Braille displays and >> Window-eyes 9.53. >> >> If my memory is correct, I thought we had contracted two way entry with >> Braille displays and the BrailleNote devices with earlier versions of >> Window-eyes. >> >> I have customers who are using Window-eyes, like TVI teachers who own a >> Brailliant BI display from HumanWare and can't do contracted Braille >> input >> from their Brailliant BI to the computer, like word or email, it is all >> computer Braille only. >> >> I see that NVDA 2016.3 also is only doing computer Braille input too. >> >> While Jaws still offers contracted two way input from a Braille display. >> >> Is contracted two way input something that did happen years ago? >> >> Is this something that can be included in future releases of >> Window-eyes? >> >> It is a pain to have to type in computer Braille using a perkins style >> keyboard on a Braille display. >> >> Thank you for your time! >> >> I am still alive and kicking after 2013 and doctors gave me a 1% >> diagnoses >> that I would live and I beat that! But now I am fighting cancer of the >> Prostate, Dam! >> >> Regards, >> >> Roger a. Behm, President >> >> >> >> >> Adaptive Information Systems Inc. >> We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled >> >> Roger A. Behm, President >> 1611 Clover Lane >> Janesville WI 53545-1388 >> Fax: 608-758-7898 >> Voice: 608-758-0933 >> Email: aist...@ameritech.net >> Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] >> On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk >> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 8:15 AM >> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com >> Subject: Re: history of window eyes >> >> Just wanted to correct a few things (smile). >> >> Malcolm created Screen-Talk which later became Screen-Talk Pro (linked >> with ProKey). As stated, he may of wanted to call this Vocal-Eyes but >> Bill Grimm didn't like that name, at the time. I had nothing to do with >> Screen-Talk. I did create most of the Apple 2 software such as >> Braille-Out which later turned to Braille-Talk, and Word-Talk and >> File-Talk and Term-Talk (prior to Term-Talk it was Talking Transend) and >> several other smaller things as well as the TTS engine for all Sounding >> Board variants. I also created all the software for the Small-Talk >> portable computer, except for the Calc-Talk module, ah, fun times >> (smile). >> >> In 1988 I started from scratch with Vocal-Eyes. This was completely >> different from the work Malcolm did. I almost finished Vocal-Eyes when >> Bill Grimm got burnt out and decided to close Computer Aids, which >> officially closed November 1989. I had started working at Computer Aids >> in the early 80's as a contractor and around 1983 started full time as >> an employee. Dan Weirich started around 1987ish and worked on the >> hardware. So after Computer Aids closed in 1989, Dan and I started GW >> Micro February 15, 1990. I spent another 6 or so months finalizing >> Vocal-Eyes and released it right after that. As for Bill Grimm, he did >> die but it was a few years later...I can't remember the exact year but >> it was around 1994 or 95. >> >> We started working on Window-Eyes around 1994 and released 1.0 in >> October 1995. >> >> Doug >> >> On 10/17/2016 2:41 PM, Dave Basden via Talk wrote: >>> I might add that Malcolm, who worked as a ranger at Yosemite near >>> Fresno where I lived at the time, initially called his PC screenreader >>> Vocal-Eyes and I was one of the beneficiaries. He had originally >>> designed it for a fellow ranger at Yosemite who was only partially >>> sighted. I still see his name on the lists occasionally. Bill Grimm >>> was then naming all his software releases Whatever-talk, so when >>> Malcolm teamed up with Computer Aids, the program was renamed Screen >>> Ta
RE: two way contracted Braille input on Braille displays
HI I tried that app after ai squared tech support told me about it, but it didn't work with the Brailliant BI 32 unit! Regards, Roger A. Behm, President Adaptive Information Systems Inc. We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled Roger A. Behm, President 1611 Clover Lane Janesville WI 53545-1388 Fax: 608-758-7898 Voice: 608-758-0933 Email: aist...@ameritech.net Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 11:42 AM To: Doug Geoffray; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: two way contracted Braille input on Braille displays Hi Doug, I'm not a braille user myself, but according to the documentation for the BrailleInput app: https://www.gwmicro.com/App_Central/Apps/App_Details/?scriptid=1404 it offers "Contracted braille (partial support)." All the best, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 11:18 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: Re: two way contracted Braille input on Braille displays Hello Roger, Wow, it has been a long time. I was not aware of your health issues but applaud you for telling those doctors/statisticians what they can do with their odds (smile)! Window-Eyes core never allowed for contracted braille input. This is something that could be added to the individual braille drivers and I thought there was a braille manufacturer which actually took advantage of that in their Window-Eyes braille driver but I'm not certain. Because most braille drivers are developed by the braille manufacturer, I lose track of what displays are out there and how they work with Window-Eyes. I've wanted to add contracted input into Window-Eyes core but have never gotten to it. It is still on the wish list. Regards, Doug On 10/18/2016 9:46 AM, Adaptive Information Systems Inc. wrote: > Hi Doug, > > I wanted to ask you about two way entry with Braille displays and > Window-eyes 9.53. > > If my memory is correct, I thought we had contracted two way entry with > Braille displays and the BrailleNote devices with earlier versions of > Window-eyes. > > I have customers who are using Window-eyes, like TVI teachers who own a > Brailliant BI display from HumanWare and can't do contracted Braille input > from their Brailliant BI to the computer, like word or email, it is all > computer Braille only. > > I see that NVDA 2016.3 also is only doing computer Braille input too. > > While Jaws still offers contracted two way input from a Braille display. > > Is contracted two way input something that did happen years ago? > > Is this something that can be included in future releases of Window-eyes? > > It is a pain to have to type in computer Braille using a perkins style > keyboard on a Braille display. > > Thank you for your time! > > I am still alive and kicking after 2013 and doctors gave me a 1% diagnoses > that I would live and I beat that! But now I am fighting cancer of the > Prostate, Dam! > > Regards, > > Roger a. Behm, President > > > > > Adaptive Information Systems Inc. > We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled > > Roger A. Behm, President > 1611 Clover Lane > Janesville WI 53545-1388 > Fax: 608-758-7898 > Voice: 608-758-0933 > Email: aist...@ameritech.net > Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org > > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] > On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 8:15 AM > To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com > Subject: Re: history of window eyes > > Just wanted to correct a few things (smile). > > Malcolm created Screen-Talk which later became Screen-Talk Pro (linked > with ProKey). As stated, he may of wanted to call this Vocal-Eyes but > Bill Grimm didn't like that name, at the time. I had nothing to do with > Screen-Talk. I did create most of the Apple 2 software such as > Braille-Out which later turned to Braille-Talk, and Word-Talk and > File-Talk and Term-Talk (prior to Term-Talk it was Talking Transend) and > several other smaller things as well as the TTS engine for all Sounding > Board variants. I also created all the software for the Small-Talk > portable computer, except for the Calc-Talk module, ah, fun times (smile). > > In 1988 I started from scratch with Vocal-Eyes. This was completely > different from the work Malcolm did. I almost finished Vocal-Eyes when > Bill Grimm got burnt out and decided to close Computer A
RE: two way contracted Braille input on Braille displays
Hi Doug, I'm not a braille user myself, but according to the documentation for the BrailleInput app: https://www.gwmicro.com/App_Central/Apps/App_Details/?scriptid=1404 it offers "Contracted braille (partial support)." All the best, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 11:18 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: Re: two way contracted Braille input on Braille displays Hello Roger, Wow, it has been a long time. I was not aware of your health issues but applaud you for telling those doctors/statisticians what they can do with their odds (smile)! Window-Eyes core never allowed for contracted braille input. This is something that could be added to the individual braille drivers and I thought there was a braille manufacturer which actually took advantage of that in their Window-Eyes braille driver but I'm not certain. Because most braille drivers are developed by the braille manufacturer, I lose track of what displays are out there and how they work with Window-Eyes. I've wanted to add contracted input into Window-Eyes core but have never gotten to it. It is still on the wish list. Regards, Doug On 10/18/2016 9:46 AM, Adaptive Information Systems Inc. wrote: > Hi Doug, > > I wanted to ask you about two way entry with Braille displays and > Window-eyes 9.53. > > If my memory is correct, I thought we had contracted two way entry with > Braille displays and the BrailleNote devices with earlier versions of > Window-eyes. > > I have customers who are using Window-eyes, like TVI teachers who own a > Brailliant BI display from HumanWare and can't do contracted Braille input > from their Brailliant BI to the computer, like word or email, it is all > computer Braille only. > > I see that NVDA 2016.3 also is only doing computer Braille input too. > > While Jaws still offers contracted two way input from a Braille display. > > Is contracted two way input something that did happen years ago? > > Is this something that can be included in future releases of Window-eyes? > > It is a pain to have to type in computer Braille using a perkins style > keyboard on a Braille display. > > Thank you for your time! > > I am still alive and kicking after 2013 and doctors gave me a 1% diagnoses > that I would live and I beat that! But now I am fighting cancer of the > Prostate, Dam! > > Regards, > > Roger a. Behm, President > > > > > Adaptive Information Systems Inc. > We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled > > Roger A. Behm, President > 1611 Clover Lane > Janesville WI 53545-1388 > Fax: 608-758-7898 > Voice: 608-758-0933 > Email: aist...@ameritech.net > Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org > > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] > On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 8:15 AM > To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com > Subject: Re: history of window eyes > > Just wanted to correct a few things (smile). > > Malcolm created Screen-Talk which later became Screen-Talk Pro (linked > with ProKey). As stated, he may of wanted to call this Vocal-Eyes but > Bill Grimm didn't like that name, at the time. I had nothing to do with > Screen-Talk. I did create most of the Apple 2 software such as > Braille-Out which later turned to Braille-Talk, and Word-Talk and > File-Talk and Term-Talk (prior to Term-Talk it was Talking Transend) and > several other smaller things as well as the TTS engine for all Sounding > Board variants. I also created all the software for the Small-Talk > portable computer, except for the Calc-Talk module, ah, fun times (smile). > > In 1988 I started from scratch with Vocal-Eyes. This was completely > different from the work Malcolm did. I almost finished Vocal-Eyes when > Bill Grimm got burnt out and decided to close Computer Aids, which > officially closed November 1989. I had started working at Computer Aids > in the early 80's as a contractor and around 1983 started full time as > an employee. Dan Weirich started around 1987ish and worked on the > hardware. So after Computer Aids closed in 1989, Dan and I started GW > Micro February 15, 1990. I spent another 6 or so months finalizing > Vocal-Eyes and released it right after that. As for Bill Grimm, he did > die but it was a few years later...I can't remember the exact year but > it was around 1994 or 95. > > We started working on Window-Eyes around 1994 and released 1.0 in > October 1995. > > Doug > > On 10/17/2016 2:41 PM, Dave Basden via Talk
Re: two way contracted Braille input on Braille displays
Hello Roger, Wow, it has been a long time. I was not aware of your health issues but applaud you for telling those doctors/statisticians what they can do with their odds (smile)! Window-Eyes core never allowed for contracted braille input. This is something that could be added to the individual braille drivers and I thought there was a braille manufacturer which actually took advantage of that in their Window-Eyes braille driver but I'm not certain. Because most braille drivers are developed by the braille manufacturer, I lose track of what displays are out there and how they work with Window-Eyes. I've wanted to add contracted input into Window-Eyes core but have never gotten to it. It is still on the wish list. Regards, Doug On 10/18/2016 9:46 AM, Adaptive Information Systems Inc. wrote: > Hi Doug, > > I wanted to ask you about two way entry with Braille displays and > Window-eyes 9.53. > > If my memory is correct, I thought we had contracted two way entry with > Braille displays and the BrailleNote devices with earlier versions of > Window-eyes. > > I have customers who are using Window-eyes, like TVI teachers who own a > Brailliant BI display from HumanWare and can't do contracted Braille input > from their Brailliant BI to the computer, like word or email, it is all > computer Braille only. > > I see that NVDA 2016.3 also is only doing computer Braille input too. > > While Jaws still offers contracted two way input from a Braille display. > > Is contracted two way input something that did happen years ago? > > Is this something that can be included in future releases of Window-eyes? > > It is a pain to have to type in computer Braille using a perkins style > keyboard on a Braille display. > > Thank you for your time! > > I am still alive and kicking after 2013 and doctors gave me a 1% diagnoses > that I would live and I beat that! But now I am fighting cancer of the > Prostate, Dam! > > Regards, > > Roger a. Behm, President > > > > > Adaptive Information Systems Inc. > We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled > > Roger A. Behm, President > 1611 Clover Lane > Janesville WI 53545-1388 > Fax: 608-758-7898 > Voice: 608-758-0933 > Email: aist...@ameritech.net > Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org > > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] > On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 8:15 AM > To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com > Subject: Re: history of window eyes > > Just wanted to correct a few things (smile). > > Malcolm created Screen-Talk which later became Screen-Talk Pro (linked > with ProKey). As stated, he may of wanted to call this Vocal-Eyes but > Bill Grimm didn't like that name, at the time. I had nothing to do with > Screen-Talk. I did create most of the Apple 2 software such as > Braille-Out which later turned to Braille-Talk, and Word-Talk and > File-Talk and Term-Talk (prior to Term-Talk it was Talking Transend) and > several other smaller things as well as the TTS engine for all Sounding > Board variants. I also created all the software for the Small-Talk > portable computer, except for the Calc-Talk module, ah, fun times (smile). > > In 1988 I started from scratch with Vocal-Eyes. This was completely > different from the work Malcolm did. I almost finished Vocal-Eyes when > Bill Grimm got burnt out and decided to close Computer Aids, which > officially closed November 1989. I had started working at Computer Aids > in the early 80's as a contractor and around 1983 started full time as > an employee. Dan Weirich started around 1987ish and worked on the > hardware. So after Computer Aids closed in 1989, Dan and I started GW > Micro February 15, 1990. I spent another 6 or so months finalizing > Vocal-Eyes and released it right after that. As for Bill Grimm, he did > die but it was a few years later...I can't remember the exact year but > it was around 1994 or 95. > > We started working on Window-Eyes around 1994 and released 1.0 in > October 1995. > > Doug > > On 10/17/2016 2:41 PM, Dave Basden via Talk wrote: >> I might add that Malcolm, who worked as a ranger at Yosemite near >> Fresno where I lived at the time, initially called his PC screenreader >> Vocal-Eyes and I was one of the beneficiaries. He had originally >> designed it for a fellow ranger at Yosemite who was only partially >> sighted. I still see his name on the lists occasionally. Bill Grimm >> was then naming all his software releases Whatever-talk, so when >> Malcolm teamed up with Computer Aids, the program was renamed Screen >> Talk. When Doug Geoffrey took over Computer Aids, he named his screen >> reader Vocal-Eyes. Apparently Malcolm had no objection to that. >> Actually Doug wasn't even aware that the name had been used by >> Malcolm. Later GW Micro released Window-Eyes for Windows as, as you >> know, Vocal-Eyes was a DOS screen reader. >> >> Dave >> >>
