Hello Roger,

Wow, it has been a long time.  I was not aware of your health issues but 
applaud you for telling those doctors/statisticians what they can do 
with their odds (smile)!

Window-Eyes core never allowed for contracted braille input.  This is 
something that could be added to the individual braille drivers and I 
thought there was a braille manufacturer which actually took advantage 
of that in their Window-Eyes braille driver but I'm not certain.  
Because most braille drivers are developed by the braille manufacturer, 
I lose track of what displays are out there and how they work with 
Window-Eyes.  I've wanted to add contracted input into Window-Eyes core 
but have never gotten to it.  It is still on the wish list.

Regards,
Doug

On 10/18/2016 9:46 AM, Adaptive Information Systems Inc. wrote:
> Hi Doug,
>
> I wanted to ask you about two way entry with Braille displays and
> Window-eyes 9.53.
>
> If my memory is correct, I thought we had contracted two way entry with
> Braille displays and the BrailleNote devices with earlier versions of
> Window-eyes.
>
> I have customers who are using Window-eyes, like TVI teachers who own a
> Brailliant BI display from HumanWare and can't do contracted Braille input
> from their Brailliant BI to the computer, like word or email, it is all
> computer Braille only.
>
> I see that NVDA 2016.3 also is only doing computer Braille input too.
>
> While Jaws still offers contracted two way input from a Braille display.
>
> Is contracted two way input something that did happen years ago?
>
> Is this something that can be included in  future releases of Window-eyes?
>
> It is a pain to have to type in computer Braille using a perkins style
> keyboard on a Braille display.
>
> Thank you for your time!
>
> I am still alive and kicking after 2013 and doctors gave me a 1% diagnoses
> that I would live and I beat that!  But now I am fighting cancer of the
> Prostate, Dam!
>    
> Regards,
>
> Roger a. Behm, President
>
>
>   
>
> Adaptive Information Systems Inc.
> We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled
>
> Roger A. Behm, President
> 1611 Clover Lane
> Janesville WI 53545-1388
> Fax: 608-758-7898
> Voice: 608-758-0933
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> Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech....@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 8:15 AM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Re: history of window eyes
>
> Just wanted to correct a few things (smile).
>
> Malcolm created Screen-Talk which later became Screen-Talk Pro (linked
> with ProKey).  As stated, he may of wanted to call this Vocal-Eyes but
> Bill Grimm didn't like that name, at the time.  I had nothing to do with
> Screen-Talk.  I did create most of the Apple 2 software such as
> Braille-Out which later turned to Braille-Talk, and Word-Talk and
> File-Talk and Term-Talk (prior to Term-Talk it was Talking Transend) and
> several other smaller things as well as the TTS engine for all Sounding
> Board variants.  I also created all the software for the Small-Talk
> portable computer, except for the Calc-Talk module, ah, fun times (smile).
>
> In 1988 I started from scratch with Vocal-Eyes.  This was completely
> different from the work Malcolm did.  I almost finished Vocal-Eyes when
> Bill Grimm got burnt out and decided to close Computer Aids, which
> officially closed November 1989.  I had started working at Computer Aids
> in the early 80's as a contractor and around 1983 started full time as
> an employee.  Dan Weirich started around 1987ish and worked on the
> hardware.  So after Computer Aids closed in 1989, Dan and I started GW
> Micro February 15, 1990.  I spent another 6 or so months finalizing
> Vocal-Eyes and released it right after that.  As for Bill Grimm, he did
> die but it was a few years later...I can't remember the exact year but
> it was around 1994 or 95.
>
> We started working on Window-Eyes around 1994 and released 1.0 in
> October 1995.
>
> Doug
>
> On 10/17/2016 2:41 PM, Dave Basden via Talk wrote:
>> I might add that Malcolm, who worked as a ranger at Yosemite near
>> Fresno where I lived at the time, initially called his PC screenreader
>> Vocal-Eyes and I was one of the beneficiaries.  He had originally
>> designed it for a fellow ranger at Yosemite who was only partially
>> sighted.  I still see his name on the lists occasionally.  Bill Grimm
>> was then naming all his software releases Whatever-talk, so when
>> Malcolm teamed up with Computer Aids, the program was renamed Screen
>> Talk.  When Doug Geoffrey took over Computer Aids, he named his screen
>> reader Vocal-Eyes.  Apparently Malcolm had no objection to that.
>> Actually Doug wasn't even aware that the name had been used by
>> Malcolm.  Later GW Micro released Window-Eyes for Windows as, as you
>> know, Vocal-Eyes was a DOS screen reader.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> At 04:02 AM 10/17/2016, you wrote:
>>> I don't have time to write a very long message, but here's a little
>>> of the story.
>>> In the early 1980s Bill Grimm formed a company, Computer Aids
>>> Corporation, to create software for the Apple II family of computers.
>>> They teamed up with Malcolm Holser to create a screen reader for DOS
>>> called Screen-Talk, which was released in 1985, which I bought and
>>> used. In 1986 Screen-Talk was linked with ProKey, a macro program,
>>> and its functionality was extended. Somewhere in there, Doug Geoffray
>>> was hired as a programmer. In 1988 Computer Aids released the
>>> Sounding Board, an ISA-compatible speech synthesizer that used the
>>> SSI-263 speech chip that was common in those days. Dan Wyrick did
>>> major work on that project. Near that time Bill Grimm died.
>>> Dan and Doug put together a new company, GW Micro and marketed the
>>> new-generation DOS screen reader as Vocal-Eyes.
>>> The first Windows 3.0 screen reader was OutSpoken, released in the
>>> summer of 1992. Later came Automatic Screen Access for Windows and
>>> JAWS for Windows. Window-Eyes 1.0 came out quite late, in late 1995.
>>> It worked with Windows 3 and 3.1, even though Windows 95 was already
>>> out and had no screen reader support from anyone at first.
>>> Window-Eyes 2 was the first W-E version to support Windows 95, and
>>> came out in the spring of 1997, I think.
>>> The revision history of Window-Eyes is on the GW Micro website, going
>>> way back; it is instructive to read it to see where we have come from.
>>>
>>>
>>> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
>>> http://lras.home.sprynet.com
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Drew Clark via Talk
>>> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:56 AM
>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: history of window eyes
>>>
>>> hi,
>>>
>>> i am interested to find out the history of window eyes, who created it
>>> and how it was started. is there any webpage/audio podcast that
>>> interviews the g and the w behind gw micro?
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
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