HI 

I tried that app after ai squared tech support told me about it, but it
didn't work with the Brailliant BI 32 unit!

Regards,

Roger A. Behm, President

Adaptive Information Systems Inc. 
We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled 

Roger A. Behm, President 
1611 Clover Lane 
Janesville WI 53545-1388 
Fax: 608-758-7898 
Voice: 608-758-0933 
Email: aist...@ameritech.net 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech....@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 11:42 AM
To: Doug Geoffray; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: two way contracted Braille input on Braille displays

Hi Doug,

I'm not a braille user myself, but according to the documentation for the
BrailleInput app:

https://www.gwmicro.com/App_Central/Apps/App_Details/?scriptid=1404

it offers "Contracted braille (partial support)."

All the best,

Rod

-----Original Message-----
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail....@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 11:18 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: two way contracted Braille input on Braille displays

Hello Roger,

Wow, it has been a long time.  I was not aware of your health issues but 
applaud you for telling those doctors/statisticians what they can do 
with their odds (smile)!

Window-Eyes core never allowed for contracted braille input.  This is 
something that could be added to the individual braille drivers and I 
thought there was a braille manufacturer which actually took advantage 
of that in their Window-Eyes braille driver but I'm not certain.  
Because most braille drivers are developed by the braille manufacturer, 
I lose track of what displays are out there and how they work with 
Window-Eyes.  I've wanted to add contracted input into Window-Eyes core 
but have never gotten to it.  It is still on the wish list.

Regards,
Doug

On 10/18/2016 9:46 AM, Adaptive Information Systems Inc. wrote:
> Hi Doug,
>
> I wanted to ask you about two way entry with Braille displays and
> Window-eyes 9.53.
>
> If my memory is correct, I thought we had contracted two way entry with
> Braille displays and the BrailleNote devices with earlier versions of
> Window-eyes.
>
> I have customers who are using Window-eyes, like TVI teachers who own a
> Brailliant BI display from HumanWare and can't do contracted Braille input
> from their Brailliant BI to the computer, like word or email, it is all
> computer Braille only.
>
> I see that NVDA 2016.3 also is only doing computer Braille input too.
>
> While Jaws still offers contracted two way input from a Braille display.
>
> Is contracted two way input something that did happen years ago?
>
> Is this something that can be included in  future releases of Window-eyes?
>
> It is a pain to have to type in computer Braille using a perkins style
> keyboard on a Braille display.
>
> Thank you for your time!
>
> I am still alive and kicking after 2013 and doctors gave me a 1% diagnoses
> that I would live and I beat that!  But now I am fighting cancer of the
> Prostate, Dam!
>    
> Regards,
>
> Roger a. Behm, President
>
>
>   
>
> Adaptive Information Systems Inc.
> We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled
>
> Roger A. Behm, President
> 1611 Clover Lane
> Janesville WI 53545-1388
> Fax: 608-758-7898
> Voice: 608-758-0933
> Email: aist...@ameritech.net
> Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech....@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 8:15 AM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Re: history of window eyes
>
> Just wanted to correct a few things (smile).
>
> Malcolm created Screen-Talk which later became Screen-Talk Pro (linked
> with ProKey).  As stated, he may of wanted to call this Vocal-Eyes but
> Bill Grimm didn't like that name, at the time.  I had nothing to do with
> Screen-Talk.  I did create most of the Apple 2 software such as
> Braille-Out which later turned to Braille-Talk, and Word-Talk and
> File-Talk and Term-Talk (prior to Term-Talk it was Talking Transend) and
> several other smaller things as well as the TTS engine for all Sounding
> Board variants.  I also created all the software for the Small-Talk
> portable computer, except for the Calc-Talk module, ah, fun times (smile).
>
> In 1988 I started from scratch with Vocal-Eyes.  This was completely
> different from the work Malcolm did.  I almost finished Vocal-Eyes when
> Bill Grimm got burnt out and decided to close Computer Aids, which
> officially closed November 1989.  I had started working at Computer Aids
> in the early 80's as a contractor and around 1983 started full time as
> an employee.  Dan Weirich started around 1987ish and worked on the
> hardware.  So after Computer Aids closed in 1989, Dan and I started GW
> Micro February 15, 1990.  I spent another 6 or so months finalizing
> Vocal-Eyes and released it right after that.  As for Bill Grimm, he did
> die but it was a few years later...I can't remember the exact year but
> it was around 1994 or 95.
>
> We started working on Window-Eyes around 1994 and released 1.0 in
> October 1995.
>
> Doug
>
> On 10/17/2016 2:41 PM, Dave Basden via Talk wrote:
>> I might add that Malcolm, who worked as a ranger at Yosemite near
>> Fresno where I lived at the time, initially called his PC screenreader
>> Vocal-Eyes and I was one of the beneficiaries.  He had originally
>> designed it for a fellow ranger at Yosemite who was only partially
>> sighted.  I still see his name on the lists occasionally.  Bill Grimm
>> was then naming all his software releases Whatever-talk, so when
>> Malcolm teamed up with Computer Aids, the program was renamed Screen
>> Talk.  When Doug Geoffrey took over Computer Aids, he named his screen
>> reader Vocal-Eyes.  Apparently Malcolm had no objection to that.
>> Actually Doug wasn't even aware that the name had been used by
>> Malcolm.  Later GW Micro released Window-Eyes for Windows as, as you
>> know, Vocal-Eyes was a DOS screen reader.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> At 04:02 AM 10/17/2016, you wrote:
>>> I don't have time to write a very long message, but here's a little
>>> of the story.
>>> In the early 1980s Bill Grimm formed a company, Computer Aids
>>> Corporation, to create software for the Apple II family of computers.
>>> They teamed up with Malcolm Holser to create a screen reader for DOS
>>> called Screen-Talk, which was released in 1985, which I bought and
>>> used. In 1986 Screen-Talk was linked with ProKey, a macro program,
>>> and its functionality was extended. Somewhere in there, Doug Geoffray
>>> was hired as a programmer. In 1988 Computer Aids released the
>>> Sounding Board, an ISA-compatible speech synthesizer that used the
>>> SSI-263 speech chip that was common in those days. Dan Wyrick did
>>> major work on that project. Near that time Bill Grimm died.
>>> Dan and Doug put together a new company, GW Micro and marketed the
>>> new-generation DOS screen reader as Vocal-Eyes.
>>> The first Windows 3.0 screen reader was OutSpoken, released in the
>>> summer of 1992. Later came Automatic Screen Access for Windows and
>>> JAWS for Windows. Window-Eyes 1.0 came out quite late, in late 1995.
>>> It worked with Windows 3 and 3.1, even though Windows 95 was already
>>> out and had no screen reader support from anyone at first.
>>> Window-Eyes 2 was the first W-E version to support Windows 95, and
>>> came out in the spring of 1997, I think.
>>> The revision history of Window-Eyes is on the GW Micro website, going
>>> way back; it is instructive to read it to see where we have come from.
>>>
>>>
>>> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
>>> http://lras.home.sprynet.com
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Drew Clark via Talk
>>> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:56 AM
>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: history of window eyes
>>>
>>> hi,
>>>
>>> i am interested to find out the history of window eyes, who created it
>>> and how it was started. is there any webpage/audio podcast that
>>> interviews the g and the w behind gw micro?
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Sent using window eyes.
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