Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Joseph Gentle
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 6:39 PM, SteveC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, this is not the place for that argument. That argument's place is the legal-talk mailing list. Which makes me wonder why you posted the poll here then? It was your idea - as you said, only asking the legal-talk mailing

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Lunes, 3 de Noviembre de 2008, Joseph Gentle escribió: The public domain will benefit OSM. Could we stop making PD-vs-SA flamewars that will lead nowhere, please? Thanks, -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega [EMAIL PROTECTED] Un ordenador no es un televisor ni un

[OSM-talk] Minimum or maximum clothing demanded

2008-11-03 Thread Lulu-Ann
Hi, please have a look and discuss my proposal about clothing that is expected to enter a place. (FKK: Max_clothing, churches etc: min_clothing http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Clothing Thanks Lulu-Ann -- Pt! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s

Re: [OSM-talk] Minimum or maximum clothing demanded

2008-11-03 Thread Jochen Topf
On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 09:14:03AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: please have a look and discuss my proposal about clothing that is expected to enter a place. (FKK: Max_clothing, churches etc: min_clothing http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Clothing Thanks Lulu-Ann

Re: [OSM-talk] Minimum or maximum clothing demanded

2008-11-03 Thread Joseph Gentle
I like the idea. The english term for clothing requirements is a Dress Code. I'm not sure how this can best fit in - dress_code_min=formal, dress_code_max=naked ? -J On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 7:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, please have a look and discuss my proposal about clothing that

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread OJ W
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Joseph Gentle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The public domain will benefit OSM. What incentive would anyone have to add datasets to OSM if it were PD? Surely it would be easier and less risky for them to keep their own work in a separate database and combine it with

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:09 AM, OJ W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Joseph Gentle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The public domain will benefit OSM. What incentive would anyone have to add datasets to OSM if it were PD? Surely it would be easier and less risky for them

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Erik Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Joseph Gentle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 6:39 PM, SteveC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the only way you will be happy and viral people will be happy is with parallel

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] A really quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:21 AM, SteveC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a) Would you like OSM to always be inferior to TeleAtlas and Navteq and probably die (PD license) b) Would you like OSM to be the best map on the planet (viral license)) c) This requires more than 90 seconds thought, please let

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Monday 03 November 2008 01:09:41 pm SteveC wrote: Can't you guys think more than 5 minutes ahead and realise the only   way you will be happy and viral people will be happy is with parallel   projects? That way us viral people will just take all your work and   always have a better map.

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Peter Miller
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:35 AM, maning sambale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You didn't read the whole sentence: ways that are contributed PD only, Of course at this point your eye is mysteriously drawn to the elephant in the room, which is what deserves copyright protection?. Adding a

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread maning sambale
public domain will benefit OSM. Why not, make a list of all people who want public domain, then download the 16GBs of planet dumps and diffs necessary to get all history. Analyze all history; extracting the nodes and ways that are How for example? Way # 12564789654321 History * Edited by

[OSM-talk] Lake rendering

2008-11-03 Thread Gustav Foseid
Could someone take a look at lake Østensjøvannet near Oslo, and tell me how to fix the mulitpolygons, so both Osmarender, Mapnik and the Cycle Map understand them? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=59.8815lon=10.8767zoom=14layers=0B00FTF

Re: [OSM-talk] Lake rendering

2008-11-03 Thread Bernt M. Johnsen
Østensjøvannet seems ok, but Nøklevannet is missing on the Mapnik rendering. Is that the problem? 2008/11/3 Gustav Foseid [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Could someone take a look at lake Østensjøvannet near Oslo, and tell me how to fix the mulitpolygons, so both Osmarender, Mapnik and the Cycle Map

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Relations

2008-11-03 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:31 PM, David Groom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Relations#Proposed_uses_of_Relations has a large number of proposed uses of relations, but there never seems to be any forward movement on these. However flawed the voting

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Phooee, all these lists to choose from. Probably most sensible on legal-talk, I think (so followups to there). Erik Johansson wrote: On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:35 AM, maning sambale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You didn't read the whole sentence: ways that are contributed PD only, Of course

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Erik Johansson
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:35 AM, maning sambale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: public domain will benefit OSM. Why not, make a list of all people who want public domain, then download the 16GBs of planet dumps and diffs necessary to get all history. Analyze all history; extracting the nodes and

Re: [OSM-talk] A project for winter - Building heights

2008-11-03 Thread Stefan Baebler
a fun way for checking the dataset would surely be to have OSM maps in 3d simulations or games, such as http://torcs.sourceforge.net/ or http://sourceforge.net/projects/trigger-rally/ (picked at random, other targets are welcome) Imagine roadsigns showing restrictions, place street names,

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Relations

2008-11-03 Thread Pieren
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:15 PM, David Groom I'm also surprised that the relation type=boundary is still considered as a proposal in the wiki. Having a quick look on the european statistics about relations in tagwatch ([1]), the most popular relation is type=boundary (10297), most of them for

Re: [OSM-talk] Lake rendering

2008-11-03 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Bernt M. Johnsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Østensjøvannet seems ok, but Nøklevannet is missing on the Mapnik rendering. Is that the problem? Sorry, my mistake. Yes, the problem is Nøklevannet. - Gustav ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Relations

2008-11-03 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:15 PM, David Groom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would suggest concentrating on documenting the ones that are in use, such as multipolygons, cycle route relations. Even better is to concentrate on the ones that are in the db and widely consumed by e.g. a renderer), Is

[OSM-talk] data plucked from who-knows-where?

2008-11-03 Thread David Ebling
Large-scale I-plucked-this-out-of-my-ass creative mapping bearing no relation to the facts on the ground, like someone has just done in Cheadle, Staffordshire, UK: yeah, that probably deserves copyright protection. And taking outside and shooting. cheers Richard   On a complete tangent to this

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread SteveC
On 3 Nov 2008, at 00:12, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: El Lunes, 3 de Noviembre de 2008, Joseph Gentle escribió: The public domain will benefit OSM. Could we stop making PD-vs-SA flamewars that will lead nowhere, please?

Re: [OSM-talk] data plucked from who-knows-where?

2008-11-03 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:28 PM, David Ebling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On a complete tangent to this conversation... I was curious about the area Richard mentioned, so looked it up: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.98283lon=-1.99189zoom=15layers=B000FTF And was amazed that someone has

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] A really quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Lunes, 3 de Noviembre de 2008, Gustav Foseid escribió: I am really worried, when I see the chairman of the OSM Foundation making these kind of oversimplified statements regardig a complex issue like the OSM license. Building a community is much more important than any license, and this is

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Relations

2008-11-03 Thread Hakan Tandogan
On Mon, November 3, 2008 14:49, Pieren wrote: On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:15 PM, David Groom I'm also surprised that the relation type=boundary is still considered as a proposal in the wiki. Having a quick look on the european statistics about relations in tagwatch ([1]), the most popular

Re: [OSM-talk] Lake rendering

2008-11-03 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Sven Rautenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you cannot complete this task until Mapnik gets some software fixes. I'd suggest tagging your lake correctly and try to get Mapnik fixed, instead of trying to find a workaround tagging that works in Mapnik and

Re: [OSM-talk] data plucked from who-knows-where?

2008-11-03 Thread 80n
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Andy Allan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:28 PM, David Ebling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On a complete tangent to this conversation... I was curious about the area Richard mentioned, so looked it up:

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Relations

2008-11-03 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 3 Nov 2008, at 15:08, Hakan Tandogan wrote: On Mon, November 3, 2008 14:49, Pieren wrote: On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:15 PM, David Groom I'm also surprised that the relation type=boundary is still considered as a proposal in the wiki. Having a quick look on the european statistics

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread SteveC
On 3 Nov 2008, at 02:09, Joseph Gentle wrote: 2008/11/3 Iván Sánchez Ortega [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Could we stop making PD-vs-SA flamewars that will lead nowhere, please? Thanks, I'm sorry for reigniting the flamewar. My intention was merely to get some data. However, I'd rather have some

Re: [OSM-talk] Minimum or maximum clothing demanded

2008-11-03 Thread Tim Waters (chippy)
On 11/3/08, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Depends on what you're wearing - clothes make the man! clothes = emperors_new --- Perhaps we can view clothing as we can view other restrictions dress_code:yes dress_code:no workwear after 7pm beach:yes clothes:permissive church

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Bernt M. Johnsen
2008/11/3 OJ W [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Joseph Gentle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The public domain will benefit OSM. What incentive would anyone have to add datasets to OSM if it were PD? Surely it would be easier and less risky for them to keep their own work in a

Re: [OSM-talk] Minimum or maximum clothing demanded

2008-11-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Andreas Fritsche wrote: So, could someone please help me: Is contributing a good or a bad thing? *confused* Depends on what you're wearing - clothes make the man! Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] A really quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Joseph Gentle
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:43 PM, Iván Sánchez Ortega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: El Lunes, 3 de Noviembre de 2008, Gustav Foseid escribió: I am really worried, when I see the chairman of the OSM Foundation making these kind of oversimplified statements regardig a complex issue like the OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] data plucked from who-knows-where?

2008-11-03 Thread Richard Fairhurst
80n wrote: Since street names are one of the harder bits of information to collect, what this user has done here looks like a very worthwhile contribution to the project. Perhaps we should even be encouraging users without GPS units to create this kind of topological map. It looks

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] A really quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Peter Miller
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:legal-talk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Philipp Klaus Krause Sent: 03 November 2008 09:55 To: Licensing and other legal discussions. Subject: [Spam] Re: [OSM-legal-talk] A really quick poll -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-

Re: [OSM-talk] data plucked from who-knows-where?

2008-11-03 Thread elvin ibbotson
So, Richard thinks we should take him (just a guess, I suspect there are more mappers of this gender) outside and shoot him, while Etienne thinks we should give him a cigar. Me, I'm all for compromise: give him a cigar and shoot him :-) elvin

[OSM-talk] Mapnik rendering of paths + place=locality in general

2008-11-03 Thread Igor Brejc
Hello, This question has come up several times (from what I could Google out), but let me ask it again: when can we expect Mapnik OSM layer to render highway=path? Nevermind the path or footway debate - it would be nice to have paths rendered (they can be rendered the same as footways, as far

Re: [OSM-talk] data plucked from who-knows-where?

2008-11-03 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Lunes, 3 de Noviembre de 2008, elvin ibbotson escribió: So, Richard thinks we should take him (just a guess, I suspect there are more mappers of this gender) outside and shoot him, while Etienne thinks we should give him a cigar. Me, I'm all for compromise: give him a cigar and shoot him

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Relations

2008-11-03 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: Andy Allan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Groom [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Talk Openstreetmap talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Relations On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:31 PM, David Groom [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik rendering of paths + place=locality in general

2008-11-03 Thread Tom Hughes
Igor Brejc wrote: This question has come up several times (from what I could Google out), but let me ask it again: when can we expect Mapnik OSM layer to render highway=path? Nevermind the path or footway debate - it would be nice to have paths rendered (they can be rendered the same as

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Peter Miller
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:talk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph Gentle Sent: 03 November 2008 10:10 To: Iván Sánchez Ortega Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll 2008/11/3 Iván Sánchez Ortega [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
SteveC steve at asklater.com writes: Can't you guys think more than 5 minutes ahead and realise the only way you will be happy and viral people will be happy is with parallel projects? That way us viral people will just take all your work and always have a better map. Exactly. I mean

Re: [OSM-talk] data plucked from who-knows-where?

2008-11-03 Thread 80n
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:12 PM, elvin ibbotson [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: So, Richard thinks we should take him (just a guess, I suspect there are more mappers of this gender) outside and shoot him, while Etienne thinks we should give him a cigar. Me, I'm all for compromise: give him a cigar and

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik rendering of paths + place=locality in general

2008-11-03 Thread Steve Chilton
Wednesday - patch by Bernhard H integrated and submitted yesterday. Locality has been in mapnik style for a while and should render fine. Cheers STEVE Steve Chilton, Learning Support Fellow Manager of e-Learning Academic Development Centre for Learning and Quality Enhancement Middlesex

[OSM-talk] Proposed Relations

2008-11-03 Thread David Groom
The page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Relations#Proposed_uses_of_Relations has a large number of proposed uses of relations, but there never seems to be any forward movement on these. However flawed the voting system for proposed tags is, at least there is a recognised procedure,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] A really quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Hermann Schwaerzler
hello Iván Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: El Lunes, 3 de Noviembre de 2008, Gustav Foseid escribió: I am really worried, when I see the chairman of the OSM Foundation making these kind of oversimplified statements regardig a complex issue like the OSM license. Building a community is much more

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik rendering of paths + place=locality in general

2008-11-03 Thread Igor Brejc
Tom Hughes wrote: Igor Brejc wrote: This question has come up several times (from what I could Google out), but let me ask it again: when can we expect Mapnik OSM layer to render highway=path? Nevermind the path or footway debate - it would be nice to have paths rendered (they can be

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Joseph Gentle
2008/11/3 Iván Sánchez Ortega [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Could we stop making PD-vs-SA flamewars that will lead nowhere, please? Thanks, I'm sorry for reigniting the flamewar. My intention was merely to get some data. However, I'd rather have some argument here than Steve's inflammatory remarks

Re: [OSM-talk] Minimum or maximum clothing demanded

2008-11-03 Thread Andreas Fritsche
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:37:06 +0100 From: Jochen Topf [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 09:14:03AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: please have a look and discuss my proposal about clothing that is expected to enter a place. (FKK: Max_clothing, churches etc: min_clothing

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 9:31 AM, Dave Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the license note ffs guys, legal-talk-general i believe, http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-general It's an entire mailing list set up so this un-resolvable (to a large extent) discussion can be kept away from

Re: [OSM-talk] Minimum or maximum clothing demanded

2008-11-03 Thread Tim Waters (chippy)
Is it minimum clothing? To me, min_clothing=kippah implies that the very minimum for me to wear would be a kippah, and not wearing socks, underwear, vest etc. similarly with min_clothing=scarf - no indication of the general clothing rules. and echoing earlier replies: Could we extend this to

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik rendering of paths + place=locality in general

2008-11-03 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Igor Brejc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aren't we constantly reiterating the fact that tagging is democratic? I think democratic is the wrong word. You can do what you like. There's no tyranny of the masses, for a start - minorities and majorities are both on equal

Re: [OSM-talk] data plucked from who-knows-where?

2008-11-03 Thread Robert (Jamie) Munro
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Richard Fairhurst wrote: 80n wrote: Since street names are one of the harder bits of information to collect, what this user has done here looks like a very worthwhile contribution to the project. Perhaps we should even be encouraging users

Re: [OSM-talk] A project for winter - Building heights

2008-11-03 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Lunes, 3 de Noviembre de 2008, Stefan Baebler escribió: a fun way for checking the dataset would surely be to have OSM maps in 3d simulations or games, such as http://torcs.sourceforge.net/ or http://sourceforge.net/projects/trigger-rally/ (picked at random, other targets are welcome)

Re: [OSM-talk] Lake rendering

2008-11-03 Thread Sven Rautenberg
Gustav Foseid schrieb: Could someone take a look at lake Østensjøvannet near Oslo, and tell me how to fix the mulitpolygons, so both Osmarender, Mapnik and the Cycle Map understand them? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=59.8815lon=10.8767zoom=14layers=0B00FTF

Re: [OSM-talk] data plucked from who-knows-where?

2008-11-03 Thread Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:12 PM, elvin ibbotson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, Richard thinks we should take him (just a guess, I suspect there are more mappers of this gender) outside and shoot him, while Etienne thinks we should give him

Re: [OSM-talk] data plucked from who-knows-where?

2008-11-03 Thread Simon Wood
On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:15:26 + 80n [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are a lot more people without GPS units than there are with, and if they can get pleasure from recording street names like this, then the GPS mappers job is made much easier. Isn't this exactly the sort of thing that the

[OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - aeroway_obstacle

2008-11-03 Thread Andras Fabian
Proposal An Air traffic obstacle is a tall structure (a node, or linear feature) which can endanger air traffic. Air traffic obstacles have to be marked in most cases with red and white colored markings and with aircraft warning lights at night. On larger structures blinking lights are

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - aeroway_obstacle

2008-11-03 Thread OJ W
See also: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Kosmos_AirNav_Rules#Obstructions_for_low-flying_charts http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2008-November/031052.html (Tagging tall buildings) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] data plucked from who-knows-where?

2008-11-03 Thread vegard
On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 08:18:21PM +0100, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote: I agree with Etienne. Assuming that zone was blank, I think that user has done a great job. The day will come when we will get rid of all these gps talibans Well. There's nothing wrong with mapping rough

Re: [OSM-talk] Lake rendering

2008-11-03 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 3:36 PM, Sven Rautenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What if the inner way marks something other than nothing? Simply tag it as such. This works great, too. Example: Lake with wood island. What if this inner way has holes by itself? Example: Wood with lake inside, which

Re: [OSM-talk] Lake rendering

2008-11-03 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Martijn van Oosterhout [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: With two seperate relations I presume, one for the wood, one for the lake. Offhand I think osm2pgsql should get this right in slim mode (non-slim has its own problems). Do you have an example? It is reported as

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - aeroway_obstacle

2008-11-03 Thread Andras Fabian
Thanks for the link (I didn't see it when I searched for existing info in the wiki - I searched for obstacle and obstruction ... neither one turned up this page). I think, our tagging schema would fit fairly well in the obstacles part of this definition (which is not very detailed in the

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Relations

2008-11-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Shaun McDonald wrote: Relations are unordered. You could load the relation and all the ways referenced by it, then check to see if each way has another way that has the same start and end nodes, through a process of stitching. 1. Shaun is right BUT 2. I want relations to become ordered

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Relations

2008-11-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Pieren wrote: I'm also surprised that the relation type=boundary is still considered as a proposal in the wiki. [...] This is an example of approved relation which does not require a vote because it's already widely used. There are no approved relations; there are those that are

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Relations

2008-11-03 Thread Karl Newman
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Shaun McDonald wrote: Relations are unordered. You could load the relation and all the ways referenced by it, then check to see if each way has another way that has the same start and end nodes, through a process

Re: [Talk-in] Time for consensus

2008-11-03 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Monday 03 November 2008 03:27:46 pm प्रवीण नळे wrote: Also not sure how it would affect route planning systems - but I guess not much of concern as it would be done mostly on high end processors unlike rendering which needs to be done on small form factor (hence low end processor) devices.

Re: [Talk-in] Time for consensus

2008-11-03 Thread प्रवीण नळे
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Subhodip Biswas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its easy to understand and tag , But this would break rendering - I use roadmap on my mobile with osm as data source. It renders only important roads at low zoom levels which is good as I don't have to look through

Re: [Talk-in] Time for consensus

2008-11-03 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Monday 03 November 2008 06:22:11 pm Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: linking them accordingly. Possibly the best way to classify would be to take the central government rating for purposes of DA. This will give an accurate representation of the status of towns and the status of roads linking them.

[Talk-it] newbie cerca help (it) per josm

2008-11-03 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mi trovo in ragionevole difficoltà ad usare josm. ho visto che c'è una lista per newbie ma da josm non vinen visualizzata. fatico a selezionare e taggare i percorsi (la selezione soprattutto) e purtroppo ho staccato le finestre sulla destra che mi piacerebbe riagganciare ai bordi della finestra

Re: [Talk-it] newbie cerca help (it) per josm

2008-11-03 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ok grazie ciao Matteo Ciao Matteo, la pagina di help di JOSM in italiano è la seguente: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/IT:JOSM dovresti ragionevolmente trovare risposta alla maggior parte dei dubbi. Devo anche risponderti alla mail che ho visto mi hai inviato, purtroppo in questi

Re: [Talk-it] Village vs Hamlet.

2008-11-03 Thread Roberto
Il domenica 2 novembre 2008 16:56:53 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: [...] guardando alcuni post di Ottobre , dovrebbero essere disegnate come landuse=residential e dando il nome; anche perchè, se guardiamo la renderizzazione finale, si avrà sullo stesso piano indicate sia le frazioni

Re: [Talk-it] newbie cerca help (it) per josm

2008-11-03 Thread Roberto Moretti
2008/11/3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: mi trovo in ragionevole difficoltà ad usare josm. ho visto che c'è una lista per newbie ma da josm non vinen visualizzata. fatico a selezionare e taggare i percorsi Controlla di essere sul layer giusto per selezionare il percorso (quello che di

Re: [Talk-it] newbie cerca help (it) per josm

2008-11-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2008/11/3 Roberto Moretti [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/11/3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: mi trovo in ragionevole difficoltà ad usare josm. ho visto che c'è una lista per newbie ma da josm non vinen visualizzata. fatico a selezionare e taggare i percorsi Controlla di essere sul layer

Re: [Talk-it] newbie cerca help (it) per josm

2008-11-03 Thread Fabrizio Lorenzini
Vero è anche che per la nostra zona (Riva del Garda e Ledro) non ci sono foto aeree dettagliate che permettano di ricavarne delle informazioni usabili (vedi ad esempio sulla pagina di OSM del Trentino le aree al momento coperte:

Re: [Talk-it] Village vs Hamlet.

2008-11-03 Thread Elena of Valhalla
2008/11/3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [...] - frazioni piccole, poco importanti, con hamlet; - gruppi di case con denominazione, disegnare il contorno degli edifici con landuse=residential ed attribuirgli il nome. a me sembra che dalla descrizione inglese di hamlet, lo si debba applicare a

Re: [Talk-it] licenza SIT

2008-11-03 Thread Edoardo Marascalchi
Alberto Malagoli wrote: buone notizie! tutti i dati topografici pubblicati su http://cartografia.comune.modena.it/index2.html sono liberamente utilizzabili!! non mi hanno risposto subito perche prima volevano leggere le specifiche della licenza creative commons e vedere se si poteva

Re: [Talk-it] licenza SIT

2008-11-03 Thread Alberto Malagoli
buone notizie! tutti i dati topografici pubblicati su http://cartografia.comune.modena.it/index2.html sono liberamente utilizzabili!! non mi hanno risposto subito perche prima volevano leggere le specifiche della licenza creative commons e vedere se si poteva adattare alla loro situazione.. in

Re: [Talk-it] licenza SIT

2008-11-03 Thread Luca Delucchi
Il 3 novembre 2008 14.26, Edoardo Marascalchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: ci inoltri la loro risposta per cortesia? e soprattutto se fosse possibile fatti scrivere qualcosa, in modo da pubblicarlo sul wiki Edoardo ciao Luca ___ Talk-it mailing

Re: [Talk-it] newbie cerca help (it) per josm

2008-11-03 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Vero è anche che per la nostra zona (Riva del Garda e Ledro) non ci sono foto aeree dettagliate che permettano di ricavarne delle informazioni usabili (vedi ad esempio sulla pagina di OSM del Trentino le aree al momento coperte:

[Talk-it] ciclo officine

2008-11-03 Thread Roberto Moretti
Ciao, qualcuno sa consigliarmi circa il tag da mettere per le ciclo officine? Sul manuale in rete ho trovato solo shop, rental e parking per le bici. In teoria potrei utilizzare il tag shop, perché fanno anche la vendita. Ma volevo sapere se è in vista la preparazione di qualche tag più

Re: [Talk-it] newbie cerca help (it) per josm

2008-11-03 Thread niubii
Martin Koppenhoefer ha scritto: s- seleziona a- aggiungi node x- modo geometria p- separa 1 way in 2 (split) c- metti insieme 2 way g- stacca un way da un altro (unglue) m- fusioni 2 nodi (merge) Ciao Qualcuno sa quando sara' disponibile in JOSM la funzione crea way parallele che al

Re: [Talk-it] newbie cerca help (it) per josm

2008-11-03 Thread Luca Delucchi
2008/11/3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ps fammi sapree quando ci si può incontrare Fossi venuto a predazzo avresti imparato un bel po' di cose :-P Comunque se si vuole si può organizzare una giornata per i neo mappatori trentini e vicini che ne pensate? ciao Luca

Re: [Talk-it] Village vs Hamlet.

2008-11-03 Thread Fabrizio Lorenzini
Da quanto mi risulta locality è da utilizzare per località disabitate: An unpopulated, named place., e così difatti lo uso anch'io. Io uso village per tutte le frazioni a meno che non siano costituite da poche case, dove invece utilizzo hamlet: Generally smaller than a village, just a few

Re: [Talk-it] licenza SIT

2008-11-03 Thread Alberto Malagoli
Mi scuso per il ritardo della risposta, generalmente cerco di rispondere in giornata, ma il suo quesito mi ha costretto a cercare di approfondire (un pochino) la questione. Se mi avesse semplicemente chiesto se poteva utilizzare il nostro materiale, la risposta sarebbe stata molto più facile

Re: [Talk-it] licenza SIT

2008-11-03 Thread Alberto Malagoli
cosa dovrei chiedere esattamente? 2008/11/3 Luca Delucchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Il 3 novembre 2008 14.26, Edoardo Marascalchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: ci inoltri la loro risposta per cortesia? e soprattutto se fosse possibile fatti scrivere qualcosa, in modo da pubblicarlo sul wiki

Re: [Talk-it] ciclo officine

2008-11-03 Thread Luca Delucchi
2008/11/3 Roberto Moretti [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ciao, qualcuno sa consigliarmi circa il tag da mettere per le ciclo officine? Sul manuale in rete ho trovato solo shop, rental e parking per le bici. In teoria potrei utilizzare il tag shop, perché fanno anche la vendita. Ma volevo sapere se è in

Re: [Talk-it] Request For Comments: importare molti centri abitati.

2008-11-03 Thread niubii
Niccolo Rigacci ha scritto: Vorrei importare circa 59000 toponimi di centri abitati (origine Istat) dentro OpenStreetMap. Non voglio fare importazione di massa, ma uno strumento web che aiuti i mappatori secondo questo schema: Perche' non di massa? Ormai con i limiti amministrativi a

Re: [Talk-it] licenza SIT

2008-11-03 Thread Luca Delucchi
Il 3 novembre 2008 15.03, Alberto Malagoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: cosa dovrei chiedere esattamente? di scrivere due righe dove si dichiara esplicitamente che si possono utilizzare i dati per il progetto osm tipo gli unici fin'ora presenti sono questi [1][2] ciao Luca

Re: [Talk-it] ciclo officine

2008-11-03 Thread Giorgio Scandiuzzo
La tag "shop=bicycle" sta ad indicare "un negozio che vende bici, equipaggiamento per ciclisti e pu noleggiare o riparare le biciclette", quindi identifica anche le ciclo officine; con questa definizione, anch'io penso non ci sia qualcosa di pi specifico in preparazione Ciao, Giorgio Luca

[Talk-it] OSM a Parma

2008-11-03 Thread Leo
Ciao a tutti, mi sono appena iscritto alla mail list. Sono un ragazzo di Parma che fa parte del Parma LUG (per gli amici PLUG.. :D). L'iniziativa OSM mi piace molto e vorrei organizzare con il PLUG una giornata all'insegna del mappiamo la citta'! come e' gia' successo da altre parti. Mi sapreste

Re: [Talk-it] Request For Comments: importare molti centri abitati.

2008-11-03 Thread Niccolo Rigacci
On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 03:06:11PM +0100, niubii wrote: Niccolo Rigacci ha scritto: Non voglio fare importazione di massa, ma uno strumento web che aiuti i mappatori secondo questo schema: Perche' non di massa? Perche' la qualita' non e' eccezionale: ci sono diversi toponimi

Re: [Talk-it] Request For Comments: importare molti centri abitati.

2008-11-03 Thread Edoardo Marascalchi
Niccolo Rigacci wrote: Se ci lavoriamo in 200 vuol dire che dobbiamo fare il review di 300 toponimi a testa, non molto lavoro ma molta qualita'. io son qui.. -- Edoardo Marascalchi ICT Consultant Tel +39.347.008.00.02 website: http://www.edoardomarascalchi.it skype: My status

Re: [Talk-it] newbie cerca help (it) per josm

2008-11-03 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
e purtroppo ho staccato le finestre sulla destra che mi piacerebbe riagganciare ai bordi della finestra di josm. basta chiuderlo e poi riaprirlo con il pulsante a sinistra Finestre a posto grazie Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list

Re: [Talk-it] OSM a Parma

2008-11-03 Thread Luca Delucchi
Il 3 novembre 2008 16.21, Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Mi sapreste dare informazioni a riguardo. Di qualsiasi tipo: da cosa serve a se c'e' qualche guru nella materia che potrebbe fare un intervento all'interno della giornata (magari anche solo via internet tramite conferenza.. :-p) io

Re: [Talk-it] OSM a Parma

2008-11-03 Thread Edoardo Marascalchi
Ciao Leo, a Parma ci sono già dei mappers, tant'e' che non è un deserto.. *http://informationfreeway.org/?lat=44.8052158081179lon=10.321223884488585zoom=13layers=BF000F* Quello che puoi fare è: 1. iscriverti ai servizi di Ito [1] e selezionarti l'area di Parma. In questo modo, oltre a

[Talk-it] Request For Comments: importare molti centri abitati.

2008-11-03 Thread Niccolo Rigacci
Salve a tutti, eccomi a chiedere commenti alla comunità. Vorrei importare circa 59000 toponimi di centri abitati (origine Istat) dentro OpenStreetMap. Non voglio fare importazione di massa, ma uno strumento web che aiuti i mappatori secondo questo schema: 1) Inquadrare su mappa web una zona

[Talk-it] rendering su osm.org

2008-11-03 Thread Fester
Come sapete ho da poco inizizato a mappare la mia zona. Domenica mattina per la prima volta ho visto apparire i dati inseriti sul server online... Ma poi già in serata tutto è tornato come prima. Incredibile visto che le prime stradine che ho inserite sono state renderizzate in meno di 24h. Che

Re: [Talk-it] rendering su osm.org

2008-11-03 Thread Luca Delucchi
2008/11/3 Fester [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Come sapete ho da poco inizizato a mappare la mia zona. Domenica mattina per la prima volta ho visto apparire i dati inseriti sul server online... Ma poi già in serata tutto è tornato come prima. Incredibile visto che le prime stradine che ho inserite sono

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