Re: [OSM-talk] Steve's better map

2014-11-02 Thread Dave F.
Ian My comment was actually pointing out good mapping techniques. We are a community of mappers - go out map. Please, add data to improve the quality of the database. Dave F. On 02/11/2014 01:56, Ian Dees wrote: On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 9:50 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com

Re: [OSM-talk] Steve's better map

2014-11-01 Thread Ian Dees
On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Like it, but unsure I'd give Round 8 to Steve. Deleting old data is *good* if replaced with more accurate information. Once again: this is a discussion, not a competition between Steve and Simon. There are no rounds to

Re: [OSM-talk] Steve's better map

2014-11-01 Thread Dave F.
On 01/11/2014 22:22, Ian Dees wrote: On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com mailto:dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Like it, but unsure I'd give Round 8 to Steve. Deleting old data is *good* if replaced with more accurate information. Once again: this is a

Re: [OSM-talk] Steve's better map

2014-11-01 Thread Ian Dees
On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 9:50 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: On 01/11/2014 22:22, Ian Dees wrote: On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Like it, but unsure I'd give Round 8 to Steve. Deleting old data is *good* if replaced with more accurate

Re: [OSM-talk] Steve's better map

2014-10-31 Thread RB
I second that. While it is true that OSM is definitely more that an addressable map, addresses are, indeed, very helpful and even necessary. For various reason, they constitute a weakness in the current project growth and emphasizing the need to survey them / negotiate import with relevant

Re: [OSM-talk] Steve's better map

2014-10-31 Thread Nick Whitelegg
, OSM Talk talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Steve's better map I second that. While it is true that OSM is definitely more that an addressable map, addresses are, indeed, very helpful and even necessary. For various reason, they constitute a weakness in the current project growth

Re: [OSM-talk] Steve's better map

2014-10-31 Thread Simon Poole
: Jukka Rahkonen jukka.rahko...@latuviitta.fi, OSM Talk talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Steve's better map I second that. While it is true that OSM is definitely more that an addressable map, addresses are, indeed, very helpful and even necessary. For various reason

Re: [OSM-talk] Steve's better map

2014-10-31 Thread Michael Kugelmann
Am 31.10.2014 12:56, schrieb Simon Poole: I commented on the better map vision here http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimonPoole/diary/25975 . I really recomend to read this blog, very clear words. Thanks Simon! And I also advocate to read the newest blog from Simon:

Re: [OSM-talk] Steve's better map

2014-10-31 Thread marekskleciak
+1.. Dnia 31 października 2014 21:44 Michael Kugelmann michaelk_...@gmx.de napisał(a): Am 31.10.2014 12:56, schrieb Simon Poole: I commented on the better map vision here http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimonPoole/diary/25975 .I really recomend to read this blog, very clear words.

Re: [OSM-talk] Steve's better map

2014-10-31 Thread Steve Coast
I think it's sad that someone with the talent and skills that Simon has, spends their precious time on this. It's flattering, and as Nassim Taleb said the difference between love and hate is very very small. But, imagine what Simon could achieve by spending that time and energy on making the

Re: [OSM-talk] Steve's better map

2014-10-31 Thread Ed Loach
Steve wrote: imagine what Simon could achieve by spending that time and energy on making the world better. What, like http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimonPoole/history or https://help.openstreetmap.org/users/2053/simonpoole/recent/ or https://code.google.com/p/osmeditor4android/source/list

Re: [OSM-talk] Steve's better map

2014-10-31 Thread Stephan Knauss
http://osmfight.neis-one.org/?u1=SteveCu2=SimonPoole SCNR Steve, I know that OSM is your baby. But accept that you did a successful job. It is now time to let it go and grow up by its own way. It is similar to your own children. You wish to protect them forever. But at one time you have to

Re: [OSM-talk] Steve's better map

2014-10-31 Thread Ian Dees
Hi folks.​ Do you think we could stop supporting the back and forth between Simon and Steve by replying to this thread? It's pretty damn childish and we've long since left the topic for the list. Thanks! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

[OSM-talk] Steve's better map

2014-10-29 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Hi, Steve Coast promised to make the best address map of the world by himself if he will not be elected into the board of the OSM Foundation: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2014-October/002713.html

Re: [OSM-talk] Steve's better map

2014-10-29 Thread Ian Dees
On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Jukka Rahkonen jukka.rahko...@latuviitta.fi wrote: With a dedicated database and tools for addresses the route could really be easier and faster and I would not feel ashamed at all while importing addresses from this master address database into OSM later.

Re: [OSM-talk] Steve's better map

2014-10-29 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 29/10/2014, Jukka Rahkonen jukka.rahko...@latuviitta.fi wrote: If I don't get elected then I'll continue focusing on address data outside of OSM. It's frankly the easier route but it would be a real shame if OSM isn't the venue to make it happen. The funny/sad part of that quote is that

Re: [OSM-talk] Steve's better map

2014-10-29 Thread David Fawcett
Agreed. Jukka points to ideas that could enhance OpenAddresses, There is some good momentum behind OA already, let's get together and improve that project. On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Jukka Rahkonen

Re: [OSM-talk] Steve's better map

2014-10-29 Thread Jason Remillard
Hi, The OpenAddress project is great, but we still need addresses in OSM. It would make sense to write OSM importing (and updating) software that is assumes OpenAddress as an input, rather than the raw files released by official GIS committees. By standardizing on the output of the OpenAddress

Re: [Talk-it] Una mappa migliore Fwd: [OSM-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-26 Thread Matteo Quatrida
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 at 10:05 PM From: Max1234Ita max1234...@gmail.com To: talk-it@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-it] Una mappa migliore Fwd: [OSM-talk] A Better Map Sono anch'io un fan di OsmAnd+, è la mia app di navigazione preferita e la uso anche per salvare tracce gpx

Re: [Talk-it] Una mappa migliore Fwd: [OSM-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-26 Thread Max1234Ita
Ciao, Max -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Una-mappa-migliore-Fwd-OSM-talk-A-Better-Map-tp5821240p5821798.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk

Re: [Talk-it] Una mappa migliore Fwd: [OSM-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-26 Thread Max1234Ita
chiesto e non so quanta percentuale di mappatori ci sia tra loro. Ciao, MAx -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Una-mappa-migliore-Fwd-OSM-talk-A-Better-Map-tp5821240p5821804.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com

Re: [Talk-it] Una mappa migliore Fwd: [OSM-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-26 Thread cesare gerbino
qualcuno non capisca la differenza... ma tant'è, io tiro avanti istéss :-p Ciao, Max -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Una-mappa-migliore-Fwd-OSM-talk-A-Better-Map-tp5821240p5821798.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com

Re: [Talk-it] Una mappa migliore Fwd: [OSM-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-25 Thread Matteo Quatrida
Ciao Max, E voi cosa usate? Conoscete qualche altro programma che potrebbe davvero aiutare i mappatori di strada in quest'impresa? per l'inserimento di POI, quindi anche dei civici, ma più in generale di tutto ciò che è associabile ad un elemento nodo, utilizzo «OSMAnd+» [1]. IMHO è un'ottima

Re: [Talk-it] Una mappa migliore Fwd: [OSM-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-25 Thread Max1234Ita
://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Una-mappa-migliore-Fwd-OSM-talk-A-Better-Map-tp5821240p5821773.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk

Re: [Talk-it] Una mappa migliore Fwd: [OSM-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-25 Thread Max1234Ita
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Re: [Talk-it] Una mappa migliore Fwd: [OSM-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-25 Thread Alessandro
Il 25/10/2014 23:27, Max1234Ita ha scritto: quello che ho capito è che qui da noi ottenere i civici di un singolo Comune (e ne abbiamo 8057) è da considerarsi una grande conquista. Se anche tuuu ... ti sbatti per settimane per capire con chi conviene parlare, perdi diverse giornate in

Re: [Talk-it] Una mappa migliore Fwd: [OSM-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-10-23 18:03 GMT+02:00 Max1234Ita max1234...@gmail.com: In più mi pare di capire, per quanto riguarda gli import, che le cose vanno a rilento soprattutto a causa di problemi burocratici... Ecco, più che astio verso gli import è un po' di sfiducia verso i burocrati... :-) Quello che

Re: [Talk-it] Una mappa migliore Fwd: [OSM-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-23 Thread Aury88
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Re: [Talk-it] Una mappa migliore Fwd: [OSM-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-10-22 14:23 GMT+02:00 Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com: Steve dice: * dobbiamo concentrarci sugli indirizzi non è mica la prima volta che lo dice. Per il suo attuale datore di lavoro (Telenav) è sicuramente importante per competere con chi usa dati proprietarie (loro al momento

Re: [Talk-it] Una mappa migliore Fwd: [OSM-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-23 Thread Luca Delucchi
2014-10-23 10:47 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2014-10-22 14:23 GMT+02:00 Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com: Steve dice: * dobbiamo concentrarci sugli indirizzi non è mica la prima volta che lo dice. Per il suo attuale datore di lavoro (Telenav) è

Re: [Talk-it] Una mappa migliore Fwd: [OSM-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-23 Thread Laura Camellini
Il giorno 23 ottobre 2014 11:18, Luca Delucchi lucadel...@gmail.com ha scritto: 2014-10-23 10:47 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2014-10-22 14:23 GMT+02:00 Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com: * abbiamo bisogno di board (per OSMf) più snello e funzionante,

Re: [Talk-it] Una mappa migliore Fwd: [OSM-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-23 Thread Max1234Ita
? Ciao, MAx -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Una-mappa-migliore-Fwd-OSM-talk-A-Better-Map-tp5821240p5821425.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk

Re: [Talk-it] Una mappa migliore Fwd: [OSM-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-23 Thread Leonardo Frassetto
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Re: [Talk-it] Una mappa migliore Fwd: [OSM-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-23 Thread Max1234Ita
Frassetto wrote Onestamente non capisco tutto questo astio verso gli import, se fatti bene aggiungono un grosso valore alla mappa in poco tempo, basta coordinarsi prima nella ML. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Una-mappa-migliore-Fwd-OSM-talk-A-Better-Map

Re: [Talk-it] Una mappa migliore Fwd: [OSM-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-23 Thread sabas88
Il giorno 23 ottobre 2014 14:03, Leonardo Frassetto kinetocor...@gmail.com ha scritto: Il nuovo Vespucci ha la funzione di autocompletamento e suggerimento dei civici lungo una via (avendo la connessione dati attiva o scaricandosi la porzione di territorio e caricandola sul cellulare). L'ho

Re: [Talk-it] Una mappa migliore Fwd: [OSM-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-23 Thread Cascafico Giovanni
Quello che sto cercando di capire, ora, è se l'inserimento dei civici da parte dei mappatori possa avere un senso, oppure ci si debba mettere in attesa che i dati siano importati, chissà quando ma in modo preciso, dai DB delle Amministrazioni. E' un problema che sto affrontando in questi

Re: [Talk-it] Una mappa migliore Fwd: [OSM-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-23 Thread Michele iw1gfv
E voi cosa usate? Conoscete qualche altro programma che potrebbe davvero aiutare i mappatori di strada in quest'impresa? Ciao Io uso uno script in python scritto da me, che lanciato da headset button controller registra 3 secondi di audio ogni volta che premo il pulsante dell'auricolare. Il

Re: [Talk-it] Una mappa migliore Fwd: [OSM-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-23 Thread John Doe
La questione strade non è di poco conto. Certe volte anzi mi sembra trascurata molto su OSM. Spesso mi accorgo dell'immensa mole di strade mancanti rispetto alle controparti propietarie; non so se Steve ci ha fatto caso. Idem anche per i nomi di quartieri, rioni, frazioni, villagi e per i toponimi

[OSM-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-22 Thread Steve Coast
Why are we here on these mailing lists? Why do we spend so much time making maps? I think ultimately because it’s fun. It’s a neat hobby and we’re making the world a slightly better place. You need the right environment for things to be fun. Someone has to install the toys in the playground.

Re: [OSM-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-22 Thread Alex Barth
Steve - would love to work on fixing the license with you so addresses in OSM make sense in the first place. Right now you practically can't use OSM for permanent geocoding. See also: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2014-July/007900.html On Wednesday, October 22, 2014, Steve

Re: [OSM-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-22 Thread Pierre Béland
2014 8h31 Objet : Re: [OSM-talk] A Better Map Steve - would love to work on fixing the license with you so addresses in OSM make sense in the first place. Right now you practically can't use OSM for permanent geocoding. See also: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2014-July

Re: [OSM-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-22 Thread Ineiev
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 02:00:34PM +, Paul Norman wrote: On Wednesday, October 22, 2014, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: Why are we here on these mailing lists? Why do we spend so much time making maps? I think ultimately because it’s fun. Just a data point: _I_'m here because I

Re: [OSM-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-22 Thread David Cuenca
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 3:57 PM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: But the first informations we need to structure the map are street names and administrative limits to have the capacity to find a street within a city / region. It would be amazing to have structured information

[Talk-it] Una mappa migliore Fwd: [OSM-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-22 Thread Cristian Consonni
affiancato da uno staff. Che ne dite? Ciao, C -- Forwarded message -- From: Steve Coast st...@asklater.com Date: 2014-10-22 12:15 GMT+02:00 Subject: [OSM-talk] A Better Map To: osmf-t...@openstreetmap.org osmf-t...@openstreetmap.org, t...@openstreetmap.org Talk t

Re: [Talk-it] Una mappa migliore Fwd: [OSM-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-22 Thread Luca Delucchi
On 22 October 2014 14:23, Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com wrote: (Rinomino l'oggetto in italiano per attirare di più l'attenzione ed evitare il cross posting) Steve dice: * dobbiamo concentrarci sugli indirizzi per me ognuno mappa ciò che vuole, non devono essere date direttive e

Re: [Talk-it] Una mappa migliore Fwd: [OSM-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-22 Thread sabas88
bisognerebbe incominciare da loro ad assumere... Che ne dite? Ciao, C -- Forwarded message -- From: Steve Coast st...@asklater.com Date: 2014-10-22 12:15 GMT+02:00 Subject: [OSM-talk] A Better Map To: osmf-t...@openstreetmap.org osmf-t...@openstreetmap.org, t

Re: [Talk-it] Una mappa migliore Fwd: [OSM-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-22 Thread Francesca Valentina
message -- From: Steve Coast st...@asklater.com Date: 2014-10-22 12:15 GMT+02:00 Subject: [OSM-talk] A Better Map To: osmf-t...@openstreetmap.org osmf-t...@openstreetmap.org, t...@openstreetmap.org Talk t...@openstreetmap.org Why are we here on these mailing lists? Why do we spend so

Re: [Talk-it] Una mappa migliore Fwd: [OSM-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-22 Thread Simone Cortesi
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Francesca Valentina coretodes...@gmail.com wrote: I sistemisti sono pagati o sono su base volontaria? Nel secondo caso bisognerebbe incominciare da loro ad assumere.. + Prima di pagarli, OSMF dovrebbe fare fundraising. -- -S

Re: [Talk-it] Una mappa migliore Fwd: [OSM-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-22 Thread Edoardo Yossef Marascalchi
e' un circolo vizioso, fimche' la mappa non sara' abbastanza matura ed omogenea i contributi da enti commerciali saranno solo di buona volonta' non appena quel limite sara' valicato diverranmo piu' consistenti percje osm sara' vitale a molti io mi trovo molto d'accorco con steve Il mercoledì 22

Re: [Talk-it] Una mappa migliore Fwd: [OSM-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-22 Thread Fabrizio Tambussa
Il 22/ott/2014 14:51 Luca Delucchi lucadel...@gmail.com ha scritto: On 22 October 2014 14:23, Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com wrote: (Rinomino l'oggetto in italiano per attirare di più l'attenzione ed evitare il cross posting) Steve dice: * dobbiamo concentrarci sugli

Re: [Talk-it] Una mappa migliore Fwd: [OSM-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-22 Thread andriatz
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Re: [Talk-it] Una mappa migliore Fwd: [OSM-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-22 Thread girarsi_liste
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Il 22/10/2014 16:29, Edoardo Yossef Marascalchi ha scritto: non appena quel limite sara' valicato diverranmo piu' consistenti percje osm sara' vitale a molti Di conseguenza come spesso accade in questo caso, chi ci mette MOLTI soldi, poi metterà

Re: [Talk-it] Una mappa migliore Fwd: [OSM-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-22 Thread Edoardo Yossef Marascalchi
no, siamo vaccinati. On 22 Oct 2014 17:51, girarsi_liste liste.gira...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Il 22/10/2014 16:29, Edoardo Yossef Marascalchi ha scritto: non appena quel limite sara' valicato diverranmo piu' consistenti percje osm sara' vitale a

Re: [Talk-it] Una mappa migliore Fwd: [OSM-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-22 Thread Max1234Ita
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