Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed new status for tags in the wiki: "import" for undiscussed tags that were only used by an import

2020-03-19 Thread Warin
On 19/3/20 4:52 pm, stevea wrote: Even the "let's not misunderstand" posts might even contain slight misunderstandings. As Roland mentions tiger:cfcc tags, there is an argument (and documented wiki) that suggests they might still yield some underlying structure of the TIGER rail import in the

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed new status for tags in the wiki: "import" for undiscussed tags that were only used by an import

2020-03-19 Thread stevea
"Subtleties" not "subtitles." Dang auto-correct! Also, I was sloppy with "data are plural, datum is singular." Roland's "true, excellent point" (period, not colon) is that sometimes this becomes a "cost-benefit evaluation" where the trouble to "fix" (modify) data may likely be higher-cost

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed new status for tags in the wiki: "import" for undiscussed tags that were only used by an import

2020-03-18 Thread stevea
Even the "let's not misunderstand" posts might even contain slight misunderstandings. As Roland mentions tiger:cfcc tags, there is an argument (and documented wiki) that suggests they might still yield some underlying structure of the TIGER rail import in the USA which can provide useful data

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed new status for tags in the wiki: "import" for undiscussed tags that were only used by an import

2020-03-18 Thread Roland Olbricht
I would like to add a new status to https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Approval_status and to Tag and Key pages in the wiki The value "import" would be used for tags that were used in a large import, but are no longer commonly being added. The misunderstanding about "object:street" has

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed new status for tags in the wiki: "import" for undiscussed tags that were only used by an import

2020-03-18 Thread Warin
On 18/3/20 10:17 am, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: Unlike some of those who responded, I was not intending this status to be a "mark of shame", but rather informative. A 'mark of shame"? These are neither people or animals. While a contributor may feel some attachment, once it is in OSM it is OSMs

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed new status for tags in the wiki: "import" for undiscussed tags that were only used by an import

2020-03-17 Thread stevea
See, data always have a backstory. Thinking you know what it is, or that you can improve upon OSM by erasing existing data that has a backstory, hmmm, give that one a good, long think first before you do anything. Discuss with others, research, think about past, present and even future

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed new status for tags in the wiki: "import" for undiscussed tags that were only used by an import

2020-03-17 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> I don't think that swiching from addr:* to object:* on these objects is > correctly described by the term "mechanical edit". Yes it was a mechanic/automated edit, because you switched all the tags at once Not all mechanical edits are bad:

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed new status for tags in the wiki: "import" for undiscussed tags that were only used by an import

2020-03-17 Thread Harald Schwarz
Hello, the creation of the object:* tagging was the result of many remarks and disscussions. Most people agreed that the addr:* tag should be used only for buildings, shps, offices, etc. I thought that there was a need for an alternative addresing scheme that could be used without conflicting

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed new status for tags in the wiki: "import" for undiscussed tags that were only used by an import

2020-03-17 Thread Harald Schwarz via talk
Dear Joseph, dear readers of this list, as you mention the street lamps of Düsseldorf here and thinking that they were an import to the OSM-database, I can tell you that this was not the case. Many of he streets of Düsseldorf, city of about 600_000 inhabitants, capital of Northrhine-Westfalia,

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed new status for tags in the wiki: "import" for undiscussed tags that were only used by an import

2020-03-17 Thread stevea
I would like to stress once again how easily it is for intended semantics of what is meant to be tagged, "improve-tagged" or "tag-modernized so that people understand the historical context of this tag" to diverge from the semantics that OTHER volunteers / contributors to OSM glean from these.

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed new status for tags in the wiki: "import" for undiscussed tags that were only used by an import

2020-03-17 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Unlike some of those who responded, I was not intending this status to be a "mark of shame", but rather informative. As mentioned, some imported tags like "gnis:feature_id=*" are useful to keep the Openstreetmap database object directly linked to an object in an external database. That's why I

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed new status for tags in the wiki: "import" for undiscussed tags that were only used by an import

2020-03-17 Thread Jmapb
On 3/17/2020 10:52 AM, Wayne Emerson, Jr. via talk wrote: However, among your examples you cite "gnis:feature_id=*" The wiki page for this key notes: "Unlike other imported tags such as gnis:created=* and gnis:import_uuid=*, gnis:feature_id=* is meaningful beyond the import. In fact, some

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed new status for tags in the wiki: "import" for undiscussed tags that were only used by an import

2020-03-17 Thread Greg Troxel
I think it's reasonable to mark something as this was used by an import long ago, isn't used by mappers now, and the existence of it shouldn't be taken as a clue that it's current good practice but I think this should also be done in a way that is not unkind to or judgemental about

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed new status for tags in the wiki: "import" for undiscussed tags that were only used by an import

2020-03-17 Thread Wayne Emerson, Jr. via talk
Some other possible values: undesirable unnecessary unwanted unneeded undiscussed disapproved clutter However, among your examples you cite "gnis:feature_id=*" The wiki page for this key notes: "Unlike other imported tags such as gnis:created=* and gnis:import_uuid=*, gnis:feature_id=* is

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed new status for tags in the wiki: "import" for undiscussed tags that were only used by an import

2020-03-17 Thread Colin Smale
"unmaintained"? On 17 March 2020 10:52:39 CET, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: >On 17/3/20 8:22 pm, Marc M. wrote: >> Hello Joseph, >> >> it may give the impression that this is the way it should be done. >> I agree to identify these "Noise" or poor quality tags, but with a >> keyword to

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed new status for tags in the wiki: "import" for undiscussed tags that were only used by an import

2020-03-17 Thread Warin
The one I am thinking of comes from HOT activity. There is no link to an import proposal, they just use 'any tag they like' .. and leave it there undocumented. On 17/3/20 8:59 pm, François Lacombe wrote: Hi all My 2cts : "in use" status and statuslink to the import proposal would be enough,

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed new status for tags in the wiki: "import" for undiscussed tags that were only used by an import

2020-03-17 Thread François Lacombe
Hi all My 2cts : "in use" status and statuslink to the import proposal would be enough, right? Point is to determine where does the tag come from, and it's done by statuslink, not status which reflect the current state of use. All the best François Le mar. 17 mars 2020 à 10:55, Warin

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed new status for tags in the wiki: "import" for undiscussed tags that were only used by an import

2020-03-17 Thread Warin
On 17/3/20 8:22 pm, Marc M. wrote: Hello Joseph, it may give the impression that this is the way it should be done. I agree to identify these "Noise" or poor quality tags, but with a keyword to show that it's a problem. e.g. status=bad, disputed, error, ... it would be necessary to find a word

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed new status for tags in the wiki: "import" for undiscussed tags that were only used by an import

2020-03-17 Thread Marc M.
Hello Joseph, it may give the impression that this is the way it should be done. I agree to identify these "Noise" or poor quality tags, but with a keyword to show that it's a problem. e.g. status=bad, disputed, error, ... it would be necessary to find a word that is not as strong as error, but