Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 12:09 PM Mario Frasca wrote: > Hi. this is funny, I recently opened an issue with AllTrails, about > them not attributing the map. > > I wonder if we're talking about the same thing: their Android App shows > a bright colourful Google logo on top of whatever map you

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

Hi.  this is funny, I recently opened an issue with AllTrails, about them not attributing the map. I wonder if we're talking about the same thing: their Android App shows a bright colourful Google logo on top of whatever map you configure as your base map.  in particular, it can be shown on

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

On 11/09/2020 15:17, Mike Thompson wrote: I will thank Ron for the change and try to start a dialog with our DWG about AllTrails asking their users to contact the DWG directly with map errors. Yes - that'd be great. The wider issues in addition to their support process are that (1) lots

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

sent from a phone > On 11. Sep 2020, at 21:47, Kathleen Lu wrote: > > Assuming that we're taking about a physical object, I don't see how the > importer would have any obligations to do anything under copyright law, > database law, or contact law. That question preempts any ODbL analysis.

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

Assuming that we're taking about a physical object, I don't see how the importer would have any obligations to do anything under copyright law, database law, or contact law. That question preempts any ODbL analysis. On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 11:53 AM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

sent from a phone > On 11. Sep 2020, at 20:46, Kathleen Lu wrote: > > If you put the attribution in Polish for a map meant for display in Poland, > and then later the map is moved to London (say, to a museum), that's also > fine because attribution was reasonable given the context. it

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

"Reasonable" means that if you put the attribution in a language that most people would expect, then it's fine, including at an airport in Poland. If you put the attribution in Polish for a map meant for display in Poland, and then later the map is moved to London (say, to a museum), that's also

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

11 Sep 2020, 18:18 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > > > sent from a phone > >> On 11. Sep 2020, at 13:21, Mateusz Konieczny via talk >> wrote: >> >> For example on my laser cut map I used >> "Dane z OpenStreetMap na licencji ODBL" >> as it will be used in way where Polish >> would be clearly

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

sent from a phone > On 11. Sep 2020, at 13:21, Mateusz Konieczny via talk > wrote: > > For example on my laser cut map I used > "Dane z OpenStreetMap na licencji ODBL" > as it will be used in way where Polish > would be clearly expected to be > understood will this limit the places where

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

Thanks Kathleen and Mateusz! I will thank Ron for the change and try to start a dialog with our DWG about AllTrails asking their users to contact the DWG directly with map errors. Mike On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 5:21 AM Mateusz Konieczny via talk < talk@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > AFAIK such text

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

AFAIK such text should be perfectly fine as long as it is clear displayed (not deeply hidden in weird menu, not hidden behind basically never clicked buttons and so on). ODBL requires to make users aware of source and license, it does not mandate a specific text. For example on my laser cut map I

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

[0] https://www.alltrails.com/ (in the search box enter the name of a trail, park, or city to see their map.) > It looks like AllTrails now correctly attributes OpenStreetMap. Those of > you more familiar with the licensing might want to chime in and let me know > if simply stating "(c)

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 2:02 PM Mike Thompson wrote: > Has anyone tried contacting the AllTrails[0] people about their use of OSM > without attribution? I am not talking about the "OSM Map Layer" that they > offer, but rather the default "AllTrails Map Layer." At the very least it > appears

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

To add to what Andy has already said, complaints about people using private paths etc are relatively common, not a large number in absolute terms, but there tend to be a couple each month which either land with the DWG, or LWG, or naturally with the local community (I've handled a couple of them

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

Curious anecdote: some AllTrails user apparently looked up a phone number for OSM US and called up Maggie. Turns out the complaint was about a trail that I originally mapped *blush*. In my defense, that was 9 years ago, I haven't been to that part of town much since I moved, and nobody else

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

On 20/08/2020 14:43, Mike Thompson wrote: From Ron's quick and positive response to the attribution issue I am guessing he might be open to having a discussion about these other issues. Once the attribution issue is actually fixed, should I send him a note along those lines? Would you (Andy)

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

On Thu, 20 Aug 2020 at 11:11, Andy Townsend wrote: > > Indeed, and by the time they get to us they are usually "rabbits of > negative euphoria"* because of the less than stellar support experience > they've had at AllTrails. > > Looking at e.g. >

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 7:11 PM Andy Townsend wrote: > > On 19/08/2020 22:44, Clifford Snow wrote: > > ... Instead of suggesting their users edit OSM, they instead instruct > them to email d...@openstreetmap.org, > > > Indeed, and by the time they get to us they are usually "rabbits of >

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

On 19/08/2020 22:44, Clifford Snow wrote: ...  Instead of suggesting their users edit OSM, they instead instruct them to email d...@openstreetmap.org , Indeed, and by the time they get to us they are usually "rabbits of negative euphoria"* because of the less

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

I have already heard back from the CEO of AllTrails. See his response below. They are going to fix the issue. I am impressed! = Thanks for the note, Mike. I know that this is going to sound lame but I swear it's the truth, and that's that you found a bug on our

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

sent from a phone > On 20. Aug 2020, at 00:18, Mike Thompson wrote: > > Thanks for the link where they mention OSM. I did find their CEO on > Linkedin, and just sent him this message: thank you! You may also consider adding them here:

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

Steve, Thanks for the confirmation that the attribution is missing. I will let you, and the rest of the list, know if and when I hear from them. Mike On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 3:51 PM stevea wrote: > Thanks very much you two: I've often meant to do something about > alltrails' seeming /

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

Clifford, Thanks for the link where they mention OSM. I did find their CEO on Linkedin, and just sent him this message: == Hi Ron, I noticed that AllTrails uses OSM data for its trails on the default "AllTrails Map Layer", while you mention this fact on your

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

Thanks very much you two: I've often meant to do something about alltrails' seeming / actual lack of attribution to OSM (if it exists, I haven't found it either) and something always seems to creep up and prevent me from taking action. These are most assuredly "our" (OSM's / mine, others in

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

Hey Mike, They definitely mention OSM, even call us a partner [1] but like you found their basemap is definitely OSM. Instead of suggesting their users edit OSM, they instead instruct them to email d...@openstreetmap.org, All Trails is located in SF but I couldn't find any listing of a leadership