Re: 8.6.0.21
Lüko, Hello everybody, on Dienstag, 18. Dezember 2018 at 20:06 Gleason wrote re 8.6.0.21 > I'm not sure how the mechanism works in Thunderbird, but in > practice, I find that Thunderbird quoting only appears correctly in > Thunderbird, > in other clients, quoting in a message from Thunderbird is set off > only by tabs. It gets really confusing in long conversations. But a message > from > The Bat appears in other clients (including Thunderbird) as it did > when being edited in The Bat. The layers of the conversation are clear. > You must live on another planet, dear Gleason! Or use only content-type=text/plain or correspond only with TheBat! users. >The reverse is true -- the problem is that TheBat! does not render the HTML tag as a quote, but as plain text with a hardly noticeable indent. That's strange. In my case, none of Pegasus, Becky, EMClient, Mailbird among others will display text quoted in Thunderbird with clear segments (not merely indented). For me. But they do all handle The Bat quoted text quite well. Yes I do keep registered copies of all those, among others, around. In the case of Pegasus, it was a voluntary contribution. Because, you see, I am not a fan of the common expectation that programmers should be willing to work for free. Even if some are. >See https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1216 > And TheBat!, instead of using the proper and standard way of quoting by > enclosing the quoted text with the HTML tag, does this silly > proprietary trying to build nested tables ()! This works only when > the correspondent uses also TheBat! which I have encountered never except on > this mailing list. >See https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1217 > Both issues reported 7 months ago. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany TheBat! 8.6.0.16 (BETA) OS: Windows 7 (NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB -- Gleason Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.6.0.21
Hello everybody, on Dienstag, 18. Dezember 2018 at 20:06 Gleason wrote re 8.6.0.21 > I'm not sure how the mechanism works in Thunderbird, but in > practice, I find that Thunderbird quoting only appears correctly in > Thunderbird, > in other clients, quoting in a message from Thunderbird is set off > only by tabs. It gets really confusing in long conversations. But a message > from > The Bat appears in other clients (including Thunderbird) as it did > when being edited in The Bat. The layers of the conversation are clear. You must live on another planet, dear Gleason! Or use only content-type=text/plain or correspond only with TheBat! users. The reverse is true -- the problem is that TheBat! does not render the HTML tag as a quote, but as plain text with a hardly noticeable indent. See https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1216 And TheBat!, instead of using the proper and standard way of quoting by enclosing the quoted text with the HTML tag, does this silly proprietary trying to build nested tables ()! This works only when the correspondent uses also TheBat! which I have encountered never except on this mailing list. See https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1217 Both issues reported 7 months ago. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany TheBat! 8.6.0.16 (BETA) OS: Windows 7 (NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.6.0.21
Hello Marck Pearlstone and everybody else, on Dienstag, 18. Dezember 2018 at 23:02 Marck Pearlstone wrote re 8.6.0.21 On 18 December 2018 at 20:48 Gleason wrote and made these points Sorry. Remembering. NT 4 was the last NT that called itself NT. After that Win 2000 was NT 5 and NT 6 was Win XP, 7 and probably 8. Win 10 calls itself 10 but no longer admits to being NT. That using the ver command in a DOS window. So you aren't that far behind. ... OS_: Windows NT 6 (NT 6.1Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_Windows_versions Windows 7 July 22, 2009 NT 6.1 Until November 3, I had a footer of macros by TheBat! and XMP which also produced the commercial name "Windows 7". The actual version (NT 6.1) is indicated in the parenthesis, but before that the commercial branding should appear, i.e. "Windows 7". Thanks for pointing that out. The footer is now corrected. I am still looking for a macro which can indicate the bit-size of the OS, i.e. 32 or 64... Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany TheBat! 8.6.0.16 (BETA) OS: Windows 7 (NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.6.0.21
Title: Re: 8.6.0.21 On 18 December 2018 at 20:48 Gleason wrote and made these points Sorry. Remembering. NT 4 was the last NT that called itself NT. After that Win 2000 was NT 5 and NT 6 was Win XP, 7 and probably 8. Win 10 calls itself 10 but no longer admits to being NT. That using the ver command in a DOS window. So you aren't that far behind. ... OS_: Windows NT 6 (NT 6.1Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_Windows_versions Windows 7 July 22, 2009 NT 6.1 -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v8.6.0.21 (BETA) on Windows 10.0.17763 pgpcO7JM2VFbz.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.6.0.21
Lüko, Hello everybody, on Sonntag, 16. Dezember 2018 at 15:27 Gleason wrote re 8.6.0.21 > The splashscreen is nice, honestly - but it doubled the EXE size? Hmm! It doesn't seem to matter, unless you are short of ram. The days of super expensive memory are gone. But the old rule of computing still works: Software is getting slower faster than hardware gets faster. There is never a reason to waste space and other resources. In computing and all other areas. I am warned about the doubling of the TheBat! exe and thus wont install this bloated version. Sorry. Remembering. NT 4 was the last NT that called itself NT. After that Win 2000 was NT 5 and NT 6 was Win XP, 7 and probably 8. Win 10 calls itself 10 but no longer admits to being NT. That using the ver command in a DOS window. So you aren't that far behind. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany TheBat! 8.6.0.16 (BETA) OS_: Windows NT 6 (NT 6.1Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ -- Gleason Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.6.0.21
Lüko, > Hello everybody, > on Sonntag, 16. Dezember 2018 at 15:27 Gleason wrote > re 8.6.0.21 > >> The splashscreen is nice, honestly - but it doubled the EXE size? Hmm! > It doesn't seem to matter, unless you are short of ram. The days > of super expensive memory are gone. >But the old rule of computing still works: > >Software is getting slower faster than hardware gets faster. > >There is never a reason to waste space and other resources. > >In computing and all other areas. > >I am warned about the doubling of the TheBat! exe and thus wont install > this bloated version. > Windows NT 6. Understood. > Cheers, > Lüko Willms > Frankfurt am Main > Germany > TheBat! 8.6.0.16 (BETA) > OS_: Windows NT 6 (NT 6.1Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) > CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ -- Gleason Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.6.0.21
Lüko, > Hello everybody, > on Montag, 17. Dezember 2018 at 16:55 Gleason wrote > re 8.6.0.21 > >> Thunderbird has its own proprietary quoting mechanism. >Wrong. > >Thunderbird does the right thing: including quoted text with the > standard tag, and using the cite parameter to refer to the > msg-id of the quoted mail. > >It is TheBat! which is using a very silly proprietary quoting > mechanism, i.e. creating a table with rows and cells to included the > quoted text. This is really a PITA to use and to have manually make > some sensible quotes despite TheBat! > >Because of this idiotic shibboleth, I can't recommend TheBat! to > anyone until this is finally fixed. I'm not sure how the mechanism works in Thunderbird, but in practice, I find that Thunderbird quoting only appears correctly in Thunderbird, in other clients, quoting in a message from Thunderbird is set off only by tabs. It gets really confusing in long conversations. But a message from The Bat appears in other clients (including Thunderbird) as it did when being edited in The Bat. The layers of the conversation are clear. I like to insert text quoted into paragraphs like I am doing here. Maybe this old idea is passing away. I like it. The Bat implements this well, since I can put the cursor any place in the quoted text, press enter and the quoted text is cleanly split into two pieces. Other clients have no problem displaying messages prepared this way, but only The Bat implements the split editing feature well, if at all. > Cheers, > Lüko Willms > Frankfurt am Main > Germany > TheBat! 8.6.0.16 (BETA) > OS_: Windows NT 6 (NT 6.1Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) > CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ -- Gleason Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.6.0.21
Hello everybody, on Sonntag, 16. Dezember 2018 at 15:27 Gleason wrote re 8.6.0.21 > The splashscreen is nice, honestly - but it doubled the EXE size? Hmm! It doesn't seem to matter, unless you are short of ram. The days of super expensive memory are gone. But the old rule of computing still works: Software is getting slower faster than hardware gets faster. There is never a reason to waste space and other resources. In computing and all other areas. I am warned about the doubling of the TheBat! exe and thus wont install this bloated version. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany TheBat! 8.6.0.16 (BETA) OS_: Windows NT 6 (NT 6.1Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.6.0.21
Hello everybody, on Montag, 17. Dezember 2018 at 16:55 Gleason wrote re 8.6.0.21 > Thunderbird has its own proprietary quoting mechanism. Wrong. Thunderbird does the right thing: including quoted text with the standard tag, and using the cite parameter to refer to the msg-id of the quoted mail. It is TheBat! which is using a very silly proprietary quoting mechanism, i.e. creating a table with rows and cells to included the quoted text. This is really a PITA to use and to have manually make some sensible quotes despite TheBat! Because of this idiotic shibboleth, I can't recommend TheBat! to anyone until this is finally fixed. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany TheBat! 8.6.0.16 (BETA) OS_: Windows NT 6 (NT 6.1Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.6.0.21
Viktor, > Hello Gleason, > Monday, December 17, 2018, 3:06:01 PM, you wrote: > Viktor, >> Hello Gleason, >> Sunday, December 16, 2018, 3:27:53 PM, you wrote: The splashscreen is nice, honestly - but it doubled the EXE size? Hmm! >>> It doesn't seem to matter, unless you are short of ram. The days of super >>> expensive memory are gone. >> This is the unfortunate thinking of today. Just multiply that with >> 20 programs and you'll see where it gets you in terms of # uselessly wasted >> RAM. >> Similar with Android these days: every meaningless "App" eats its >> 60 MB of memory whether it's doing anything or not, totalling to 100% memory >> usage >> and laggy phone. Just because "memory is cheap" and other lazy programmer >> thinking. > I wouldn't accuse Maxim of being lazy. In my case, with TB > running, I am using 3.68 gb of ram out of 12. With TB closedMe > neither. But then it's not him being quoted as "It doesn't seem to > matter". It does, on larger scale, anyway. True, but since I had nothing to do with the size of the The Bat executable, I'm not lazy either. > I am using 3.5. I guess I'm not feeling overly impacted. 12 gb of > ram is not especially high end these days. This may be the source > of the mistake. Your computer doesn't seem to be > doing much. Yes, I am replying from MS Server 2016 which seems to take about half of what Win 10 needs. > And TheBat! is not the only program people run. > In my case, out of my 16GB, Firefox feels free to eat anywhere all the way > to 8, You must have a lot of open tabs with constant server interaction (for ads, etc). I use Opera whenever possible, and it usually is these days. Opera gets hoggish sometimes too, but if I close it, and reopen, it returns to restrained behavior. > Thunderbird takes several gigs too, on bad days And it doesn't even have embedded large graphics. Wasteful. The Bat does not take "several" even now. >, Eclipse is no fly > weight either. > It's so easy to fill all the available memory with one program > "because it looked OK on my machine". IDE's and graphics programs take a lot, but I bet you can find room for modest little The Bat. > And, once again, thanks Maxim for the high quality tastefully done > images. I bet it took some effort to acquire them.I'm sure. And I'm > sure there are better places for >32MB of temporary graphics. >> The days of chasing every kilobyte are gone, but just doubling the >> program between minor versions sound strange to me too. > Unless you understand how that happened. In this case, the images > will be gone when this year's Christmas version is retired.If the > Christmas graphics is what inflated the EXE to twice its size. I, to > be honest, didn't even expect that. >> BTW., this is a plaintext list, if nothing else then by custom. >> Would you mind replying to plaintext mails in in plaintext? Yeah, another >> "old times" >> legacy. But it also eases quoting - or much more doesn't kill it for TheBat! >> like HTML mails do. > Sure, I was too lazy to think about it. I remember the years of > various email client users railing against the > useless creeping incursion of html into email. Pegasus, Becky, > many others. It seems that Sylpheed is the last holdout > of any significance. Change marches on, your perception of whether > it is progress or not will vary.You can see the results for > yourself: Try to reply to your own (or, rewriten in original HTML > reply form to serve as an example, this very) mail in TheBat! How > does the qouting look? How are the levels colored, how well will the footer > be handled? Well, enough, I think.Better than Thunderbird for sure, for one reason Thunderbird has its own proprietary quoting mechanism. In any case, people send me pics illustrating problems they see, and I find it useful to include those pics in my reply. That helps because users often don't know what I need to see, in fact I don't either until I see it. In my case, I don't need perfection, but being able to do that much is a great help. The Bat's build in html is not sufficient though, I still need to use MS's built in html. > -- > Best regards, > Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz > -- Gleason Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.6.0.21
Title: Re: 8.6.0.21 Hello Gleason, Monday, December 17, 2018, 3:06:01 PM, you wrote: Viktor, > Hello Gleason, > Sunday, December 16, 2018, 3:27:53 PM, you wrote: >>> The splashscreen is nice, honestly - but it doubled the EXE size? Hmm! >> It doesn't seem to matter, unless you are short of ram. The days of super expensive memory are gone. > This is the unfortunate thinking of today. Just multiply that with > 20 programs and you'll see where it gets you in terms of # uselessly wasted RAM. > Similar with Android these days: every meaningless "App" eats its > 60 MB of memory whether it's doing anything or not, totalling to 100% memory usage > and laggy phone. Just because "memory is cheap" and other lazy programmer thinking. I wouldn't accuse Maxim of being lazy. In my case, with TB running, I am using 3.68 gb of ram out of 12. With TB closed Me neither. But then it's not him being quoted as "It doesn't seem to matter". It does, on larger scale, anyway. I am using 3.5. I guess I'm not feeling overly impacted. 12 gb of ram is not especially high end these days. This may be the source of the mistake. Your computer doesn't seem to be doing much. And TheBat! is not the only program people run. In my case, out of my 16GB, Firefox feels free to eat anywhere all the way to 8, Thunderbird takes several gigs too, on bad days, Eclipse is no fly weight either. It's so easy to fill all the available memory with one program "because it looked OK on my machine". And, once again, thanks Maxim for the high quality tastefully done images. I bet it took some effort to acquire them. I'm sure. And I'm sure there are better places for >32MB of temporary graphics. > The days of chasing every kilobyte are gone, but just doubling the > program between minor versions sound strange to me too. Unless you understand how that happened. In this case, the images will be gone when this year's Christmas version is retired. If the Christmas graphics is what inflated the EXE to twice its size. I, to be honest, didn't even expect that. > BTW., this is a plaintext list, if nothing else then by custom. > Would you mind replying to plaintext mails in in plaintext? Yeah, another "old times" > legacy. But it also eases quoting - or much more doesn't kill it for TheBat! like HTML mails do. Sure, I was too lazy to think about it. I remember the years of various email client users railing against the useless creeping incursion of html into email. Pegasus, Becky, many others. It seems that Sylpheed is the last holdout of any significance. Change marches on, your perception of whether it is progress or not will vary. You can see the results for yourself: Try to reply to your own (or, rewriten in original HTML reply form to serve as an example, this very) mail in TheBat! How does the qouting look? How are the levels colored, how well will the footer be handled? -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelac mailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.6.0.21
>> Viktor, This one is ok. I guess I thought I did it but didn't. Getting old ain't for sissies. > Well, I'm not sure how this works. I told TB to send that last > message as Plain Text (MicroEd), but I see it still arrived as both > html and text. This one will too, I guess. >>> Hello Gleason, >>> Sunday, December 16, 2018, 3:27:53 PM, you wrote: > The splashscreen is nice, honestly - but it doubled the EXE size? Hmm! It doesn't seem to matter, unless you are short of ram. The days of super expensive memory are gone. >>> This is the unfortunate thinking of today. Just multiply that with >>> 20 programs and you'll see where it gets you in terms of # uselessly wasted >>> RAM. >>> Similar with Android these days: every meaningless "App" eats its >>> 60 MB of memory whether it's doing anything or not, totalling to 100% >>> memory usage >>> and laggy phone. Just because "memory is cheap" and other lazy programmer >>> thinking. >> I wouldn't accuse Maxim of being lazy. In my case, with TB >> running, I am using 3.68 gb of ram out of 12. With TB closed >> I am using 3.5. I guess I'm not feeling overly impacted. 12 gb of >> ram is not especially high end these days. >> And, once again, thanks Maxim for the high quality tastefully done >> images. I bet it took some effort to acquire them. >>> The days of chasing every kilobyte are gone, but just doubling the >>> program between minor versions sound strange to me too. >> Unless you understand how that happened. In this case, the images >> will be gone when this year's Christmas version is retired. >>> BTW., this is a plaintext list, if nothing else then by custom. >>> Would you mind replying to plaintext mails in in plaintext? Yeah, another >>> "old times" >>> legacy. But it also eases quoting - or much more doesn't kill it for >>> TheBat! like HTML mails do. >> Sure, I was too lazy to think about it. I remember the years of >> various email client users railing against the >> useless creeping incursion of html into email. Pegasus, Becky, >> many others. It seems that Sylpheed is the last holdout >> of any significance. Change marches on, your perception of whether it is >> progress or not will vary. >> -- >> Gleason -- Gleason Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.6.0.21
> Viktor, Well, I'm not sure how this works. I told TB to send that last message as Plain Text (MicroEd), but I see it still arrived as both html and text. This one will too, I guess. >> Hello Gleason, >> Sunday, December 16, 2018, 3:27:53 PM, you wrote: The splashscreen is nice, honestly - but it doubled the EXE size? Hmm! >>> It doesn't seem to matter, unless you are short of ram. The days of super >>> expensive memory are gone. >> This is the unfortunate thinking of today. Just multiply that with >> 20 programs and you'll see where it gets you in terms of # uselessly wasted >> RAM. >> Similar with Android these days: every meaningless "App" eats its >> 60 MB of memory whether it's doing anything or not, totalling to 100% memory >> usage >> and laggy phone. Just because "memory is cheap" and other lazy programmer >> thinking. > I wouldn't accuse Maxim of being lazy. In my case, with TB > running, I am using 3.68 gb of ram out of 12. With TB closed > I am using 3.5. I guess I'm not feeling overly impacted. 12 gb of > ram is not especially high end these days. > And, once again, thanks Maxim for the high quality tastefully done > images. I bet it took some effort to acquire them. >> The days of chasing every kilobyte are gone, but just doubling the >> program between minor versions sound strange to me too. > Unless you understand how that happened. In this case, the images > will be gone when this year's Christmas version is retired. >> BTW., this is a plaintext list, if nothing else then by custom. >> Would you mind replying to plaintext mails in in plaintext? Yeah, another >> "old times" >> legacy. But it also eases quoting - or much more doesn't kill it for TheBat! >> like HTML mails do. > Sure, I was too lazy to think about it. I remember the years of > various email client users railing against the > useless creeping incursion of html into email. Pegasus, Becky, > many others. It seems that Sylpheed is the last holdout > of any significance. Change marches on, your perception of whether it is > progress or not will vary. > -- > Gleason -- Gleason Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.6.0.21
Viktor, > Hello Gleason, > Sunday, December 16, 2018, 3:27:53 PM, you wrote: >>> The splashscreen is nice, honestly - but it doubled the EXE size? Hmm! >> It doesn't seem to matter, unless you are short of ram. The days of super >> expensive memory are gone. > This is the unfortunate thinking of today. Just multiply that with > 20 programs and you'll see where it gets you in terms of # uselessly wasted > RAM. > Similar with Android these days: every meaningless "App" eats its > 60 MB of memory whether it's doing anything or not, totalling to 100% memory > usage > and laggy phone. Just because "memory is cheap" and other lazy programmer > thinking. I wouldn't accuse Maxim of being lazy. In my case, with TB running, I am using 3.68 gb of ram out of 12. With TB closed I am using 3.5. I guess I'm not feeling overly impacted. 12 gb of ram is not especially high end these days. And, once again, thanks Maxim for the high quality tastefully done images. I bet it took some effort to acquire them. > The days of chasing every kilobyte are gone, but just doubling the > program between minor versions sound strange to me too. Unless you understand how that happened. In this case, the images will be gone when this year's Christmas version is retired. > BTW., this is a plaintext list, if nothing else then by custom. > Would you mind replying to plaintext mails in in plaintext? Yeah, another > "old times" > legacy. But it also eases quoting - or much more doesn't kill it for TheBat! > like HTML mails do. Sure, I was too lazy to think about it. I remember the years of various email client users railing against the useless creeping incursion of html into email. Pegasus, Becky, many others. It seems that Sylpheed is the last holdout of any significance. Change marches on, your perception of whether it is progress or not will vary. -- Gleason Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.6.0.21
Hello Maxim, Sunday, December 16, 2018, 10:49:43 AM, you wrote: > The Bat! 8.6.0.21 (BETA) is available at > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb86021-32.rar Running here fine. .exe is *juge*! ;) -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.6.0.21
Hello Gleason, Sunday, December 16, 2018, 3:27:53 PM, you wrote: >> The splashscreen is nice, honestly - but it doubled the EXE size? Hmm! > It doesn't seem to matter, unless you are short of ram. The days of super > expensive memory are gone. This is the unfortunate thinking of today. Just multiply that with 20 programs and you'll see where it gets you in terms of # uselessly wasted RAM. Similar with Android these days: every meaningless "App" eats its 60 MB of memory whether it's doing anything or not, totalling to 100% memory usage and laggy phone. Just because "memory is cheap" and other lazy programmer thinking. The days of chasing every kilobyte are gone, but just doubling the program between minor versions sound strange to me too. BTW., this is a plaintext list, if nothing else then by custom. Would you mind replying to plaintext mails in in plaintext? Yeah, another "old times" legacy. But it also eases quoting - or much more doesn't kill it for TheBat! like HTML mails do. -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.6.0.21
tux., > U > The splashscreen is nice, honestly - but it doubled the EXE size? Hmm! It doesn't seem to matter, unless you are short of ram. The days of super expensive memory are gone. > > Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: > http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.6.0.21
U The splashscreen is nice, honestly - but it doubled the EXE size? Hmm! Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.6.0.21
Hello Maxim, I have not commented about the Splash screen because, here, it would remain on-screen for 30-45 seconds, which I attributed to the amount of processes running on the machine. However, after this change to 8.6.0.21 it is well behaved, staying on-screen for roughly 2 seconds. Curt Sent from my office desktop by The Bat! Using The Bat! Version 8.6.0.21 (BETA) (64-bit) Windows 7 with HughesNet Gen5 Satellite Internet Web sites always hosted on TurnkeyInternet.net servers Sunday, December 16, 2018, 4:49:43 AM, you wrote: > [-] 0001631: Splash Screen sometimes doesn't stay for even a second > when The Bat! starts in Maximized Window mode Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.6.0.21
Hello Maxim, U But Whoa! the .exe is 70MB! Curt Sent from my office desktop by The Bat! Using The Bat! Version 8.6.0.21 (BETA) (64-bit) Windows 7 with HughesNet Gen5 Satellite Internet Web sites always hosted on TurnkeyInternet.net servers Sunday, December 16, 2018, 4:49:43 AM, you wrote: > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb86021-64.rar Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.6.0.21
Hi The On Sunday, December 16, 2018 10:49:43 AM you wrote: > The Bat! 8.6.0.21 (BETA) is available at > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb86021-32.rar Up and running. No difference in splash screen found. On startup it is shown a few seconds - like in versions before. -- Best regards, Martin mar...@postzone.org TheBat! 8.6.0.21 (BETA) Pro (32bit, with OTFE) on Windows 7 6.1 7601 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.6.0.21
> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb86021-64.rar > [-] 0001631: Splash Screen sometimes doesn't stay for even a second > when The Bat! starts in Maximized Window mode > [*] Christmas graphics in the about box Now, the splash screen, from which before for ca. 1/10 of a second only the borders were visible, is now visible completely for ca. 1 second. So, that's OK for me. :-) -- Kind regards, Gunivortus Goos The Bat! Professional 64 bit, version 8.6.0.21 (BETA) Windows Pro 64 bit version 10, build nr. 17134 NordVPN vs. 6.17.6.0 Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
8.6.0.21
The Bat! 8.6.0.21 (BETA) is available at https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb86021-32.rar https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb86021-64.rar What's new in 8.6.0.21 since 8.6.0.20: [-] Tags Improvement: Added 2 checkboxex to Tag Editor. Fixed press return when adding of new Tag at TagSelected [-] 0001631: Splash Screen sometimes doesn't stay for even a second when The Bat! starts in Maximized Window mode [*] Christmas graphics in the about box Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
