Hello Edvinas,
> I've tried 40tude dialog and it blew me away! Good bye Forté Agent.
> Multiple languages support is amazing in that program. Full unicode support,
> it picks needed charset for you by analysing what characters are in the
> message. Perfect!
But threading, specially compared to TB
Hello Greg,
> ... but VA you could save the results in a
> visual container called Bookmarks. You could save up to 20 bookmarks,
> and refer to them at any time without running the search again.
Saving searches was just one of the possibilities of Bookmarks (or of
bookmarking messages), there we
Hello Allie,
On Mon, 20 Jan 2003, at 14:06:30 GMT -0500 (1/20/2003, 1:06 PM -0500 GMT
here), you wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I did have a look at VA.
When?
I should explain why I decided to switch to TB from VA. First and
foremost VA quit development although is going
On Mon, 20 Jan 2003 12:59:51 -0600 GMT(20/01/2003, 6:59 PM
+ GMT), Greg Strong wrote:
GS> People by their own experience relate to OE. This
GS> argument of bloatware is nothing more than hog wash! VA
GS> was (is) not bloat ware.
And nor is Ameol, which is the other mail/conferencing
program
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Greg Strong [GS] wrote:'
GS> VA was (is) not bloat ware.
I did have a look at VA.
It was similar to Forte' Agent. A nice application for News .
and btw, e-mail. Though the e-mail support may be
Hello Miguel,
On Mon, 20 Jan 2003, at 15:01:11 GMT +0100 (1/20/2003, 8:01 AM -0500 GMT
here), you wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Can you think of one that does both well? :)
> Yes, and I am sure Greg Strong will agree with me, Virtual Access. It
> did (does) e-mail and n
Hello Allie,
> Can you think of one that does both well? :)
Yes, and I am sure Greg Strong will agree with me, Virtual Access. It
did (does) e-mail and news, plus Compuserve and CIX.
I will only say one more thing, and for the last time, about this
e-mail and news integration issue. As you kno
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Miguel A. Urech [MAU] wrote:'
MAU> Isn't "none" too "Black" (or white)? Wouldn't a shade of gray like
MAU> "only some", or "few" or... ? ;-)
Can you think of one that does both well? :)
I think you'd ha
Hello Allie,
> But none seem to do both well when they support both.
Isn't "none" too "Black" (or white)? Wouldn't a shade of gray like
"only some", or "few" or... ? ;-)
> Just a thought.
And a very valid one. But just as valid as mine if I think that TB
developers are "defocusing" by devotin
On Sunday, January 19, 2003, 12:32:25 PM, Allie Martin wrote:
> Development of TB! as a specialist e-mail client extraordinaire,
> slows in an effort to improve the news-reader component/plug-in.
I agree with this, although I think that some news-reader features are
common to those of a specialis
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Miguel A. Urech [MAU] wrote:'
>> It is either the fear of the unknown, or they relate to Outlook. I guess
>> they never used VA. :-)
MAU> Agree. Some people seem to think there is only Outlook and TB out
MAU> there :)
But none seem to do both well
Hello Greg,
> It is either the fear of the unknown, or they relate to Outlook. I guess
> they never used VA. :-)
Agree. Some people seem to think there is only Outlook and TB out
there :)
--
Best regards,
Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)
Using The Bat! v1.61
___
Hello Anne,
> I'm not afraid of it Miguel, I just don't want to use TB! in that way.
But you don't have to. Just like now you don't have to create an
account for my mailboxes on my ISPs. That is all the difference there
would (should) be. When creating an account, having the possibility of
creati
Saturday, January 18, 2003, 11:19:53 AM,Miguel wrote:
MAU> Why are some of you somewhat "afraid" of a newsreader/mail client
MAU> combo? It could be (should be) quite transparent to you if you just
MAU> want to use it for e-mail. As I envision it, the difference would
MAU> (could) be that when you
Saturday, January 18, 2003, 1:58:31 PM,Paul wrote:
PC> I have 2 antivirus plugins, the NOD32 (test version 0.1) and AVG 10.
PC> I am using AVG, and I don't remember why I added the NOD32 plugin.
Paul, this could well be your problem. It's never recommended to run
two a/v's together as they can f
Hello Miguel,
Saturday, January 18, 2003, 2:32:32 PM, you wrote:
>> You can't simply compare it to another language as you did in
>> another message ... Spanish vs English.
MAU> It was just a way of trying to explain it to Mary. I should have
MAU> chosen a better example. What if TB editor only
Hello Paul,
On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, at 08:44:03 GMT -0500 (1/18/2003, 7:44 AM -0500 GMT
here), you wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I'm not afraid of anything, I just like my applications to be fast and
> versatile. TB is, but if it starts adding TOO much... back to the
> BLOAT
Hello Miguel,
On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, at 12:19:53 GMT +0100 (1/18/2003, 5:19 AM -0500 GMT
here), you wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> What a big deal!
It is either the fear of the unknown, or they relate to Outlook. I guess
they never used VA. :-)
--
Best regards,
Greg Str
On Saturday, January 18, 2003, 10:58 AM, you wrote:
>> I say "NO" and get another error message dialog box that says:
>> the anti-virus has reported an error, the file cannot be checked for
>> viruses.
TF> This may be a beta problem. Please report on the beta list.
no, it was a screw loose bet
Hi Miguel,
on Sat, 18 Jan 2003 15:32:32 +0100GMT (18.01.03, 15:32 +0100GMT here),
you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :
>> Why push a format that so easily and trivially takes away the readers
>> *choice* of background colour and font sizes?? Until clients
>> incorporate ways to
Hello,
On Friday, January 17, 2003, 17:44, Carsten wrote:
CT> TB! is no newsreader. Why don't you use a tool like Dialog[1] or Gnus?
CT> [1] http://www.40tude.com/dialog/
I've tried 40tude dialog and it blew me away! Good bye Forté Agent.
Multiple languages support is amazing in that program. Fu
Saturday, January 18, 2003, 11:30:12 AM,Miguel wrote:
MAU> Ever tried Second Copy 2000 from http://www.centered.com/ ?
Thanks Miguel, no I hadn't tried this. It's been suggested elsewhere
that the freeware program Replicator from Karenware.com may do this as
well, so I shall check them both out
Hello Paul,
On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 08:58:31 -0500 GMT (18/01/03, 20:58 +0700 GMT),
Paul Cartwright wrote:
> actually, I'm having a problem in TB with html attachments.
> when I get a message with a message.htm in the left pane, I click on it,
> and get a dialog box that says:
> File extension is htm
Hello Allie,
> Why push a format that so easily and trivially takes away the readers
> *choice* of background colour and font sizes?? Until clients
> incorporate ways to control this at the readers end, I cannot support
> HTML use in e-mail.
Do you have any choice if I send you a letter by snail
On Saturday, January 18, 2003, 8:04 AM, you wrote:
AM> The only HTML mail I can reliably read with comfort are from those who
AM> know how to compose it, i.e., HTML newsletters and such. Though I
AM> still have problems with some. I then open them in my browser. The
AM> HTML format does improve
On Saturday, January 18, 2003, 6:19 AM, you wrote:
MAU> Hello Anne,
>> If it was standalone one then I'd have no problems with it. I
>> wouldn't want to see a newsreader/mail client combo though.
MAU> Why are some of you somewhat "afraid" of a newsreader/mail client
MAU> combo? It could be (sh
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In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Miguel A. Urech [MAU] wrote:'
Ritlabs seems to have an HTML editor in their list of features to
definitely support at some point. For this reason, I didn't wish to
comment on this thread. However, I find
Hello Thorsten,
> In my opinion, The Bat needs to support all the features, the main
> competition (M$) is offering - this means HTML Emails, Usenet Group
> Support etc. Of course it would be great, if the user could choose
> to work just with plain text, or with all the bells and whistles
> activ
Hi all,
Samstag, 18. Januar 2003 12:28 you wrote:
i am lurking into this thread with interest. This discussion reminds me a lot to those
Macintosh <---> Windows and OS/2 <---> Windows Discussions.
In my opinion, The Bat needs to support all the features, the main competition (M$) is
offering - t
Hello Anne,
> In my experience Tools » Backup works extremely well. Being able to
> back up filters would be nice though.
Ever tried Second Copy 2000 from http://www.centered.com/ ?
--
Best regards,
Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)
Using The Bat! v1.61
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Hello Mike,
> Well, it just so happens that MacDonalds is having financial problems
> and is shutting "restaurants" all over the world :)
Which, to me, is good news. I believe that not even the US should be
allowed to have "massive destruction weapons". ;-)
--
Best regards,
Miguel A. Urech (El
Hello Anne,
> If it was standalone one then I'd have no problems with it. I
> wouldn't want to see a newsreader/mail client combo though.
Why are some of you somewhat "afraid" of a newsreader/mail client
combo? It could be (should be) quite transparent to you if you just
want to use it for e-mai
On Saturday, January 18, 2003, 5:57:35 AM, Allie Martin wrote:
> So when using TB!'s backup, watch out for any errors that are
> reported. If errors are reported, don't rely on the backup since you
> could lose mail or the backup will not restore. You'll have to first
> fix your installation, prov
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In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Anne [A] wrote:'
A> In my experience Tools » Backup works extremely well. Being able to
A> back up filters would be nice though.
This point was being discussed on the beta list.
The backup utility has w
Friday, January 17, 2003, 5:32:14 PM,Miguel wrote:
MAU> Don't underestimate Ritlabs' programers. If they could write a better
MAU> e-mail client why do you assume they won't be able to write a better
MAU> newsreader?
If it was standalone one then I'd have no problems with it. I
wouldn't want to
Friday, January 17, 2003, 1:15:54 PM,Robert wrote:
RS> (4) Improve the capability of backing up and restoring configuration
RS> information. It should be easy to backup any feature be it folder
RS> Sorting FILTERS etc..
In my experience Tools » Backup works extremely well. Being able to
Hello Miguel,
Friday, January 17, 2003, 6:30:31 PM, you wrote:
MAU> Hello Laura,
>> resistance is futile, html is here to stay.
MAU> Just like Coca-Cola and McDonald ;-)
Well, it just so happens that MacDonalds is having financial problems
and is shutting "restaurants" all over the world :)
-
Hello Robert,
Friday, January 17, 2003, 1:15:54 PM, you wrote:
RS> Hello ,
RS> Why can't the bat with all its extra features many of them nice but
RS> some of them not that important do the following:
RS> (1) Edit or use an existing HTML editor in a seamless manner
Because it's a text mail cl
Hello Carsten,
> I know that, like Miguel, there are some guys who use their TB! as a
> newsreader, but what about scoring, killfiling, ignoring threads
> etc.? Don't you miss that in TB!?
Once you have downloaded messages, what is the big difference between
a newsgroup and a mail list like this
Hello marek,
> I've never seen TB thread newsgroups, yet :)
If you have a folder for this list and view threads by Reference, that
is exactly how you will see newsgroups threads.
--
Best regards,
Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)
Using The Bat! v1.61
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On Saturday, 18 January 2003, at 4:26:55 a.m., Markus Gloede wrote:
> Those are not "standard email features". They have been wrapped into
> email clients by other companies and they made a bad job at it and have
> thus set a quasi-standard which led you to believe those are standard
> features.
* Thomas Fernandez writes:
> Spike wrote:
(3) Read NNTP News Groups
MG>>> Many prefer using a separate client for that, yet future
MG>>> releases might also implement that.
>> S*%T to that!
> I am not sure about that first word, but Stefan said *if* TB gets
> newsreader capabilities, it wi
Hello Jonathan,
> Having looked at the RFCs for NNTP, the threading is done in an
> identical fashion I believe, even using the same header names,
> In-Reply-To and References. Those are the same headers that TB! uses
> to do normal mail threading, and so the threading will work over there
> too.
On Friday, January 17, 2003, 8:02:52 PM,
Miguel A. Urech ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Someone could perhaps say that e-mail was not "invented" to send
> attachments, at least large attachments. FTP was invented for that :)
This is fair enough; the encode/decode overhead is a necessary evil.
But n
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On Friday, January 17, 2003, Miguel A. Urech wrote...
>> Agent's threading is also superior, IMO.
> In the 17 groups I monitor (with TB) I have never seen an
> un-properly threaded message.
Having looked at the RFCs for NNTP, the threading is done i
Hello marek,
> It *could* be a great newsreader,
It *is* already, I currently use it for 17 newsgroups.
> but attachment handling would have to be thoroughly reworked. In my
> freelance work I receive and send lots of large and very large
> attachments (1-20MB). TB takes *ages* to just display a
Hello Paul,
> I think they will probably stay away from it though, remember it
> would add SEVER bloat to the program to add that much capability.
I disagree. Most of the code needed to add (a very good) newsreader
capability to TB is already there. Message base and folder management,
filters, te
Hello Spike,
> Otherwise, as I stated earlier we would just have a re-written MS
> Outhouse, and . . . why bother?
Not really. I haven't ever used Outlook, so I'm not familiar. But I
doubt it has the filtering and templates power (just to name a couple
of things) TB has.
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Best regards,
Migue
Hi Laura,
on Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:36:47 -0800GMT (17.01.03, 18:36 +0100GMT here),
you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :
MAU>> I never write/send HTML e-mail, and I don't think I will in
the MAU>> future. But if I implemented a filter like you intend
L> to, I would MAU> probably l
Hello Laura,
> resistance is futile, html is here to stay.
Just like Coca-Cola and McDonald ;-)
> MAU>> I never write/send HTML e-mail, and I don't think I will in
> the MAU>> future. But if I implemented a filter like you intend
> > to, I would MAU> probably loose abut 1/3 of my business
mj> Attach the report as an HTML file, most recipient will find
mj> it more convenient that way.
working in offices its not as easy.. but i don't want to get in
an argument about it
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On Friday, January 17, 2003, 6:32:14 PM,
Miguel A. Urech ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Don't underestimate Ritlabs' programers. If they could write a better
> e-mail client why do you assume they won't be able to write a better
> newsreader?
It *could* be a great newsreader, but attachment handlin
NEWS in TB?!? NO THANK YOU - and do not expect me to accept a price raise
of 30% because TB3 (or whenever it is coming out) now adds a newsreader!
/ St
Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TB
On Friday, January 17, 2003, 6:36:47 PM,
Laura ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> there are certain advantages to it as well...
> including hilighting things that are important when sending out a
> report, and more. THINK about it. :)
Attach the report as an HTML file, most recipient will find it mo
On Friday, January 17, 2003, 12:32 PM, you wrote:
MAU> Hello Paul,
>> I don't think TB ever could be as good with newsgroups as newsbin or
>> newsrover, at least with binary-type newsgroups.
MAU> Don't underestimate Ritlabs' programers. If they could write a better
MAU> e-mail client why do you
Hello Carsten,
>> Speak for yourself and perhaps for a number of users, but not for all.
>
> Okay.
:-))
As for the rest of your message, I fully agree with what Thomas writes
in his <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> so I won't repeat.
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Best regards,
Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - S
Hello Laura,
On or about Friday, January 17, 2003 at 09:36:47GMT -0800 (which
was 12:36 PM in the tropics where I live) Laura regaled us with:
L> resistance is futile, html is here to stay.
Not in my inbox it isn't! All my important correspondents know
and accept this.
>>> I will soon be imple
Hello Spike,
> the key word in all this is _OPTIONAL_!
Of course!
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Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)
Using The Bat! v1.61
Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.htm
resistance is futile, html is here to stay.
>> I will soon be implementing a filter that sends to trash and deletes
>> any e-mail containing HTML - PERIOD!
MAU> I never write/send HTML e-mail, and I don't think I will in
the MAU> future. But if I implemented a filter like you intend
to, I would M
Hello Miguel A. Urech,
On or about Friday, January 17, 2003 at 17:38:38GMT +0100 (which
was 11:38 AM in the tropics where I live) Miguel A. Urech opined:
MAU> Hello Spike,
>> Wanting everything rolled into one is what causes vulnerability
>> and bloatware. Leave TB just as it is, a simple and ef
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On Friday, January 17, 2003, Carsten Thönges wrote...
> NACK. If Ritlabs is smart enough and they want to keep in business,
> they should provide full IMAP support for professional business
> users or should improve (=debug) the not-so-bad client/serv
Hello Paul,
> I don't think TB ever could be as good with newsgroups as newsbin or
> newsrover, at least with binary-type newsgroups.
Don't underestimate Ritlabs' programers. If they could write a better
e-mail client why do you assume they won't be able to write a better
newsreader?
--
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On Friday, January 17, 2003, Thomas Fernandez wrote...
>>> I will soon be implementing a filter that sends to trash and
>>> deletes any e-mail containing HTML - PERIOD!
>> Unless they alter the way they do their filtering, you can't.
> ACK.
>> It d
Hello Jonathan,
>> (3) Read NNTP News Groups
>
> That isn't a "standard email feature". NNTP is news, and not email...
> they are two different things.
Of course, but they can both be integrated in a same environment and
program. And that, for many of us, is a great advantage. Before I
moved to T
* "Miguel A. Urech" writes:
> Hello Carsten,
>>> (1) Edit or use an existing HTML editor in a seamless manner
>> Because TB! users don't want that.
> Speak for yourself and perhaps for a number of users, but not for all.
Okay.
> I will not use HTML myself either, but I know of many TB users wh
On Friday, January 17, 2003, 11:38 AM, you wrote:
MAU> You would be surprised by the number of TB users who would prefer a
MAU> mail&news integrated environment. And don't be narrow minded, the fact
MAU> that a program has options doesn't mean you have to use them. For
MAU> example, I don't use t
Hello Jonathan,
On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:53:44 -0600 GMT (17/01/03, 23:53 +0700 GMT),
Jonathan Angliss wrote:
>> I will soon be implementing a filter that sends to trash and
>> deletes any e-mail containing HTML - PERIOD!
> Unless they alter the way they do their filtering, you can't.
ACK.
> It
Hello Spike,
> I will soon be implementing a filter that sends to trash and deletes
> any e-mail containing HTML - PERIOD!
I never write/send HTML e-mail, and I don't think I will in the
future. But if I implemented a filter like you intend to, I would
probably loose abut 1/3 of my business e-mai
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On Friday, January 17, 2003, Spike wrote...
RS>> (1) Edit or use an existing HTML editor in a seamless manner
> God forbid! This is why I LIKE TB! Goodbye to bloatmail!! I will
> soon be implementing a filter that sends to trash and deletes any
> e-m
Hello Carsten,
>> (1) Edit or use an existing HTML editor in a seamless manner
>
> Because TB! users don't want that.
Speak for yourself and perhaps for a number of users, but not for all.
I will not use HTML myself either, but I know of many TB users who
would and of non-TB users who would move
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On Friday, January 17, 2003, Robert Silver wrote...
> (1) Edit or use an existing HTML editor in a seamless manner
It is rumored to be coming in version 2.
> (2) Have the option of viewing HTML pages in its viewer. The double
> clicking attachments
Hello Spike,
On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:41:01 -0500 GMT (17/01/03, 22:41 +0700 GMT),
Spike wrote:
>>> (3) Read NNTP News Groups
MG>> Many prefer using a separate client for that, yet future
MG>> releases might also implement that.
> S*%T to that!
I am not sure about that first word, but Stefan sai
Hello Spike,
> Wanting everything rolled into one is what causes vulnerability
> and bloatware. Leave TB just as it is, a simple and efficient
> mail client, as it should be! All the things you mentioned are
> the very reason TB! is gaining poularity. We don't WANT a MS
> Outhouse clone, that's
Hello Robert,
> (3) Read NNTP News Groups
I read and write news with TB, and I am not the only one. If you are
interested, take a look at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/msg36819.html
--
Best regards,
Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)
Using The Bat! v1.61
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* Robert Silver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Why can't the bat with all its extra features many of them nice but
> some of them not that important do the following:
> (1) Edit or use an existing HTML editor in a seamless manner
Because TB! users don't want that.
> (2) Have the option of
Hello Markus Gloede,
On or about Friday, January 17, 2003 at 16:26:55GMT +0100 (which
was 10:26 AM in the tropics where I live) Markus Gloede shocked
us all by stating:
MG> (1) HTML was never intended for email use, it is mostly
MG> being abused in an email context
Amen brother!!
MG> (2) Read
On Fri, 17 Jan 2003, Markus Gloede wrote:
> (1) HTML was never intended for email use, it is mostly being abused in
> an email context
>
> (2) Reading/writing USENET news is something different than handling
> email
>
> Those are not "standard email features". They have been wrapped into
Hi,
Robert Silver wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :
> Subject: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTML
> documents or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features
(1) HTML was never intended for email use, it is mostly being abused in
an email context
(2) Readin
Hello Robert Silver,
On or about Friday, January 17, 2003 at 08:15:54GMT -0500 (which
was 8:15 AM in the tropics where I live) Robert Silver blithered:
RS> Why can't the bat with all its extra features many of them nice but
RS> some of them not that important do the following:
RS> (1) Edit o
Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:15:54 [GMT -0500] (8:15 AM EST here) Robert Silver
wrote:
> Why can't the bat with all its extra features many of them nice but
> some of them not that important do the following:
> (1) Edit or use an existing HTML editor in a seamless manner
> (2) Have the option of viewing
Hello ,
Why can't the bat with all its extra features many of them nice but
some of them not that important do the following:
(1) Edit or use an existing HTML editor in a seamless manner
(2) Have the option of viewing HTML pages in its viewer. The double
clicking attachments is cumbersome.
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