Re: OT: some programs, emailers as well use buildin spy modules....

2000-03-08 Thread tracer
Hello Ok, follow up on the auriate story (this time then from a security expert (g)): Quote: I have been contacted by several legal firms who have requested that I post a message in their behalf. They are seeking anyone who is interested in becoming a representative in your home state for a cla

Re[2]: OT: some programs, emailers as well use buildin spy modules....

2000-03-02 Thread Simon
How-do-you-do...Marck, Y'said: MDP> Watchfully. ;-) :-D I'm glad it wasn't wasted ;-) Slan, Simon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Usin' TB! v1.41 B3 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a messag

Re: OT: some programs, emailers as well use buildin spy modules....

2000-03-02 Thread Steve Lamb
Thursday, March 02, 2000, 2:02:55 AM, tracer wrote: > Not true, I referred to Anglefire as it had a nice visible website but > I got the info direct from the very first guy who posted it. Then you should have included those cites as well. A cheap, lame HTML, backwards site quoting someone el

Re: OT: some programs, emailers as well use buildin spy modules....

2000-03-02 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone
Hi Simon, On 02 March 2000 at 14:06:23 GMT + (which was 14:06 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: S> How-do-you-do, Watchfully. ;-) 416E64 4D6172636B 73616964: 2249 63616E 72656164 7468

Re[2]: OT: some programs, emailers as well use buildin spy modules....

2000-03-02 Thread Simon
How-do-you-do, But there again... Slan, Simon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 416E64 5374657665 4C616D62 73616964: 224c6574 7468657265 6265 6C696768742122 ~~

Re: OT: some programs, emailers as well use buildin spy modules....

2000-03-02 Thread tracer
Hello Steve Lamb, On Wed, 1 Mar 2000 18:43:13 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, March 02, 2000, 9:43:13 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Steve Lamb wrote: > On Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 09:21:13AM +0700, tracer wrote: >> I donot mind that but you should be TOLD. >> So you have a choice not t

Re: OT: some programs, emailers as well use buildin spy modules....

2000-03-02 Thread tracer
Hello István Szendrõ, On Thu, 2 Mar 2000 07:14:05 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, March 02, 2000, 1:14:05 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, István Szendrõ wrote: > Hello Steve, > Wednesday, March 01, 2000, 7:15:17 PM, you wrote: SL>> The point I was trying to make isn't that the

Re[2]: OT: some programs, emailers as well use buildin spy modules....

2000-03-02 Thread Simon
How-do-you-do, tracer @ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: t> Anyway, lets stop the discussion, Agreed, fruitless to persist down a dark alley. Slan, Simon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ## 5354457645: 796F75 4152524F464E54 54574154 ##

Re: OT: some programs, emailers as well use buildin spy modules....

2000-03-02 Thread tracer
Hello Steve Lamb, On Wed, 1 Mar 2000 15:35:47 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, March 02, 2000, 6:35:47 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Steve Lamb wrote: > Joe-blow on Angelfire was reposting what someone else had said, cited a > source I had never even heard of before and clearly

Re[2]: OT: some programs, emailers as well use buildin spy modules....

2000-03-01 Thread Andrew Brown
SL> On Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 09:21:13AM +0700, tracer wrote: >> I donot mind that but you should be TOLD. >> So you have a choice not to install or even download it. SL> Male-cow-dung! It is /ADWARE/. Geez, it is common knowledge that adware SL> in the past, oh, 2-3 years does tracking!

Re[2]: OT: some programs, emailers as well use buildin spy modules....

2000-03-01 Thread István Szendrő
Hello Steve, Wednesday, March 01, 2000, 7:15:17 PM, you wrote: SL> The point I was trying to make isn't that the program was doing something, SL> the point was that what the program /was/ doing wasn't confirmed by a SL> reputable source as anything contrary to what the user was told. To be

Re: OT: some programs, emailers as well use buildin spy modules....

2000-03-01 Thread Steve Lamb
On Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 09:21:13AM +0700, tracer wrote: > I donot mind that but you should be TOLD. > So you have a choice not to install or even download it. Male-cow-dung! It is /ADWARE/. Geez, it is common knowledge that adware in the past, oh, 2-3 years does tracking! It is like all

Re: OT: some programs, emailers as well use buildin spy modules....

2000-03-01 Thread tracer
Hello Leif Gregory, On Thu, 2 Mar 2000 06:57:11 +0900 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, March 02, 2000, 4:57:11 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Leif Gregory wrote: > This weekend, I'll examine more packets from longer sessions using > multiple advertiser supported software. I'm not saying th

Re: OT: some programs, emailers as well use buildin spy modules....

2000-03-01 Thread tracer
Hello Steve Lamb, On Wed, 1 Mar 2000 10:15:17 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, March 02, 2000, 1:15:17 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Steve Lamb wrote: > The time to worry is when a /REPUTABLE/ source, not a joe-blow dorkwad on > angelfire (AKA, can't even afford web space of h

Re: OT: some programs, emailers as well use buildin spy modules....

2000-03-01 Thread tracer
Hello Tom Plunket, On Wed, 1 Mar 2000 10:11:21 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, March 02, 2000, 1:11:21 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Tom Plunket wrote: > tracer wrote: t>> Wednesday, March 01, 2000 t>> Hello Bat-users, t>> http://www.angelfire.com/rock/fangthane/index.html t>

Re: OT: some programs, emailers as well use buildin spy modules....

2000-03-01 Thread tracer
Hello Steve Lamb, On Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:54:54 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, March 02, 2000, 12:54:54 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Steve Lamb wrote: > Wednesday, March 01, 2000, 9:46:43 AM, tracer wrote: >> If you had read whats being uploaded from ones system then its clearly >>

Re: OT: some programs, emailers as well use buildin spy modules....

2000-03-01 Thread Shanmugam Ganeshkumar
Hello Leif, Hello Leif, Just the point that I was trying to make to before, but got out of my way. Well, for all who missed the actual threads, here are some of them; Read this first ; http://grc.com/aureate.htm for more; http://kumite.com/myths/ http://pub3.ezboard.com/fzorsboardgenerald

Re[2]: OT: some programs, emailers as well use buildin spy modules....

2000-03-01 Thread Simon
A Chara Steve, Wednesday, March 01, 2000, 11:35:47 PM, you wrote: SL> I dunno about you, but I'd side with BugTraq. I'll grant that sometimes SL> L0pht, BugTraq, CERT, SERT(sp?) and a few other organizations will not be the SL> first to report it. This is not the case here. When they do r

Re: OT: some programs, emailers as well use buildin spy modules....

2000-03-01 Thread Steve Lamb
Wednesday, March 01, 2000, 3:17:44 PM, Simon wrote: > what happens next? Does it get ignored? Does everyone shout "ahh, its > a stupid lamer creating more bogus alerts"? Some will, but eventually However, before I made that determination about this case I /DID/ check bugtraq and found discuss

Re[2]: OT: some programs, emailers as well use buildin spy modules....

2000-03-01 Thread Simon
A Chara Leif, Wednesday, March 01, 2000, 9:57:11 PM, you wrote: LG> I'll side with Steve on this issue. Just so that everyone understands: I wasn't in fact originally fully disagreeing with the statement that Steve made, or attempting to take sides. I butted in simply because Steve was seeming

Re[2]: OT: some programs, emailers as well use buildin spy modules....

2000-03-01 Thread Paul
Hello Tom, Wednesday, March 01, 2000, 6:11:21 PM, you wrote: TP> What's happening is that you're downloading shareware that's TP> "supported by advertisements." The "fix" is to not download or use TP> software that uses these DLLs in the first place, not to try to TP> circumvent the mechanism t

Re: OT: some programs, emailers as well use buildin spy modules....

2000-03-01 Thread Leif Gregory
Hello Steve, On Wed, 1 Mar 2000 at 10:15:17 [GMT -0800], you wrote: SL> The point I was trying to make isn't that the program was doing SL> something, the point was that what the program /was/ doing wasn't SL> confirmed by a reputable source as anything contrary to what the SL> user was told. To

Re[2]: OT: some programs, emailers as well use buildin spy modules....

2000-03-01 Thread Simon
A Chara Steve, Yeah, OK. I think everyone gets the point..Steven SL> That is why you should rely upon reputable reports from people who know SL> their business and not from some crack-pot newbie. The newbie, invariably, SL> gets it wrong and causes more damage in his chicken-little act than

Re: OT: some programs, emailers as well use buildin spy modules....

2000-03-01 Thread Steve Lamb
Wednesday, March 01, 2000, 10:27:56 AM, Simon wrote: > 'reputable source'. Some Joe-blah suffering from rectal-cranial > inversion might just save your arse one day because you might have > been looking up your own dark side for a bit to long!. WARNING I just discovered a new thr

Re[2]: OT: some programs, emailers as well use buildin spy modules....

2000-03-01 Thread Simon
A Chara Steve, Wednesday, March 01, 2000, 6:15:17 PM, you wrote: "...joe-blow dorkwad?" Ha ha. Nice description ;-) Yeah, I really understood where you were coming from, and that you do get those 'imbecilic, pimply-faced lame-brains' (getting the swing of it) posting warnings about this and war

Re: OT: some programs, emailers as well use buildin spy modules....

2000-03-01 Thread Tom Plunket
tracer wrote: t> Wednesday, March 01, 2000 t> Hello Bat-users, t> http://www.angelfire.com/rock/fangthane/index.html t> if you like your privacy worth reading and following whats t> happening... What's happening is that you're downloading shareware that's "supported by advertisements."

Re: OT: some programs, emailers as well use buildin spy modules....

2000-03-01 Thread Steve Lamb
Wednesday, March 01, 2000, 10:00:18 AM, Simon wrote: > Privacy is privacy. Sneaky tactics are sneaky tactics. These companies > need to get with the program and shouldn't get away with it. If they > don't have our permission then they just shouldn't be allowed to do > it. Yeah, blocking a port is

Re[2]: OT: some programs, emailers as well use buildin spy modules....

2000-03-01 Thread Simon
A Chara Steve, Wednesday, March 01, 2000, 5:54:54 PM, you wrote: SL> Yeah, block outbound connections to port 1975, yay, that was hard. No, it SL> shouldn't be accepted but paranoia is also not to be accepted. I'm big on SL> privacy, but I'm also tired of all the bogus alerts going around

Re: OT: some programs, emailers as well use buildin spy modules....

2000-03-01 Thread Steve Lamb
Wednesday, March 01, 2000, 9:46:43 AM, tracer wrote: > If you had read whats being uploaded from ones system then its clearly > not exactly what they are telling... I read it and I don't trust the person who posted it /UNLESS/ it is from a recognized security source. I named two. Why?

Re: OT: some programs, emailers as well use buildin spy modules....

2000-03-01 Thread tracer
Hello Steve Lamb, On Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:10:55 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, March 02, 2000, 12:10:55 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Steve Lamb wrote: > Wednesday, March 01, 2000, 8:53:28 AM, tracer wrote: >> http://www.angelfire.com/rock/fangthane/index.html >> if you like yo

Re: OT: some programs, emailers as well use buildin spy modules....

2000-03-01 Thread Steve Lamb
Wednesday, March 01, 2000, 8:53:28 AM, tracer wrote: > http://www.angelfire.com/rock/fangthane/index.html > if you like your privacy worth reading and following whats > happening... Hmmm, anything on Angelfire is worthy of suspicion. Any CERT/Bugtraq advisories on the matter? Yup

OT: some programs, emailers as well use buildin spy modules....

2000-03-01 Thread tracer
Wednesday, March 01, 2000 Hello Bat-users, http://www.angelfire.com/rock/fangthane/index.html if you like your privacy worth reading and following whats happening... -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.41 Beta/3 NO MICROSOFT VIRUS INFECTIONS mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using Fi