Re: Note to screenreader users, was Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-10-02 Thread Krister Ekstrom
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Steve, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 1 Oct 2003 11:48:51 (my local time 17:48:51), you typed: KE selecting your text, press f4 and you're in the message editor with KE the text you selected as quoted text. SMS What a cool feature!!!

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-10-01 Thread Krister Ekstrom
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Andrew, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 30 Sep 2003 23:39:42 (my local time 1 okt 2003 00:39:42), you typed: AH If I get the following: AH Subject Author AH Test Message Andrew Hodgson AH Test Message Another

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-10-01 Thread Andrew Hodgson
Hello Krister, Wednesday, October 1, 2003, 9:33:54 AM, you wrote: KE Hi Andrew, KE In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] KE On 30 Sep 2003 23:39:42 (my local time 1 okt 2003 00:39:42), you KE typed: AH If I get the following: AH Subject Author AH Test Message Andrew

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-10-01 Thread Krister Ekstrom
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Andrew, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 1 Oct 2003 13:35:15 (my local time 14:35:15), you typed: AH When you AH spoke of TB not speaking in the message list view, I was wondering AH whether you had the same issue. I had it when

Re: Note to screenreader users, was Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-10-01 Thread Steve M. Sawczyn
Hello Krister, Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 11:50:47 AM, you wrote: KE A note to our screen reader using friends, a way of trimming the reply KE is that when you read the message, you can actually select text rather KE like in a word processor, ie by using the shift key in conjunction KE with

Re: Note to screenreader users, was Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-10-01 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Steve, On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:48:51 -0400GMT (1-10-03, 17:48 +0200, where I live), you wrote: KE After selecting your text, press f4 and you're in the message KE editor with the text you selected as quoted text. SMS What a cool feature!!! Only problem is, how can I copy more text from SMS

Re: Note to screenreader users, was Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-10-01 Thread Jernej Simoni
On Wednesday, October 1, 2003, 17:48:51, Steve M. Sawczyn wrote: What a cool feature!!! Only problem is, how can I copy more text from the original message? Every day I learn something new about TB, truely an amazing program. Use Shift+Tab when you're in the message body, and focus should

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Andrew Hodgson
Hello Krister, Sunday, September 28, 2003, 12:15:23 PM, you wrote: KE Hi Andrew, KE In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] KE On 27 Sep 2003 11:51:38 (my local time 12:51:38), you typed: AH example, on two messages next to each other in the message view AH window, with the same

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Krister Ekstrom
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Andrew, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 30 Sep 2003 12:28:09 (my local time 13:28:09), you typed: AH Two other problems I have are that the source viewer (press f9) is AH not accessible to me at any rate, because when you

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Andrew Hodgson
Hello Krister, Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 2:05:49 PM, you wrote: KE -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- KE Hash: SHA1 KE Hi Andrew, KE In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] KE On 30 Sep 2003 12:28:09 (my local time 13:28:09), you typed: AH Two other problems I have are that the

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Leif Gregory
Hello Andrew, Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 8:41:34 AM, you wrote: AH The tab key works to get you round the box, and if you press space AH on the buttons it works fine, but if you for example press alt+c, AH which is the shortcut for change, it doesn't work (or as far as I AH can see it doesn't).

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Leif Gregory
Hello Chris, Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 8:47:53 AM, you wrote: CG sometimes when pressing enter on a message the message will not CG read. moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Andrew Hodgson
Hello Chris, Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 3:47:53 PM, you wrote: CG i've also found that the spell check alt-c for the shortcut doesn't work also. CG one needs to tab through and press space on the change button and it'll chang Thanks - its not just my system then. I find it hard to

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Krister Ekstrom
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Andrew, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 30 Sep 2003 15:41:34 (my local time 16:41:34), you typed: KE Sorry, i must be tired or something, i don't fully understand where KE the problem lies, on the other hand, I've never used the view

Note to screenreader users, was Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Krister Ekstrom
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Leif, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 30 Sep 2003 08:50:08 (my local time 16:50:08), you typed: LG Please trim replies to context. Try to cut out as much of the original LG text as possible in your replies so that your response is

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Andrew, On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 12:28:09 +0100 GMT (30/09/2003, 18:28 +0700 GMT), Andrew Hodgson wrote: the source viewer (press f9) is not accessible to me at any rate, because when you press the down arrow it moves the whole screen down instead of the cursor, this is known to screen

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Krister Ekstrom
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Chris, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 30 Sep 2003 10:47:53 (my local time 16:47:53), you typed: CG i also don't like the change in the bat 2 when i press delete in a message CG window it doesn't close the window and move back to the

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Krister, On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 17:42:05 +0200 GMT (30/09/2003, 22:42 +0700 GMT), Krister Ekstrom wrote: Ok, i see where you're coming from there. Yes, that would definitely be nice. I guess to leave a bug report, i'll have to sign up for an account in the bug tracker, but if Thomas F

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Andrew Hodgson
Hello Thomas, Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 4:51:22 PM, you wrote: TF Hello Andrew, TF On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 12:28:09 +0100 GMT (30/09/2003, 18:28 +0700 GMT), TF Andrew Hodgson wrote: the source viewer (press f9) is not accessible to me at any rate, because when you press the down arrow it

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-30 Thread Andrew Hodgson
Hello Chris, Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 7:00:13 PM, you wrote: CG is there a way that ritlabs can have the message list be a standard list view. CG sometimes when i arrow up and down the list of messages CG winow-eyes can't read the entire line, or it skipps over CG name/subject. or

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-28 Thread Krister Ekstrom
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Thomas, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 27 Sep 2003 18:46:47 (my local time 13:46:47), you typed: I think it won't hurt to give a pointer or hint to the dialogs where the problems are most significant, but that's my opinion. TF I

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-28 Thread Krister Ekstrom
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Andrew, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 27 Sep 2003 11:51:38 (my local time 12:51:38), you typed: AH example, on two messages next to each other in the message view AH window, with the same author and subject, I will not

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-28 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Krister, On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 13:02:23 +0200 GMT (28/09/2003, 18:02 +0700 GMT), Krister Ekstrom wrote: I think it won't hurt to give a pointer or hint to the dialogs where the problems are most significant, but that's my opinion. TF I will give them quite a number of examples. Sounds

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-27 Thread Krister Ekstrom
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hi Thomas, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 26 Sep 2003 23:29:55 (my local time 18:29:55), you typed: This is also true when making an auto-reply. Only the check box is visible and then you'll have to fiddle around with the mouse a bit to find the

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-27 Thread Andrew Hodgson
Hello Krister et al, Saturday, September 27, 2003, 9:51:19 AM, you wrote: [snip previous message as it is not relevant to the point I am raising] Another issue I have found is that certainly in Jaws if a message that you delete has a particular subject/author combination, and

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-27 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Krister, On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:51:19 +0200 GMT (27/09/2003, 15:51 +0700 GMT), Krister Ekstrom wrote: TF I will just put in the bug report that tab doesn't do what it TF should, and they should review all of the dialogs. Will that be OK? - I think it won't hurt to give a pointer or hint

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-26 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Pranav, On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:30:31 +0530 GMT (25/09/2003, 16:00 +0700 GMT), Pranav Lal wrote: How do I disable the HTML viewer? Options / Preferences / Viewer/Editor. Ups, another dialog in which tabbing goes crisscrossing over the whole screen. Will add that to the list. But there

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-26 Thread Krister Ekstrom
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Thomas, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 26 Sep 2003 10:37:19 (my local time 05:37:19), you typed: TF Also, if you [X] Add to Addressgroup, the Group Selector can only be TF reached with the mouse, and also only if you have labeled the

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-26 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Krister, On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:49:15 +0200 GMT (26/09/2003, 15:49 +0700 GMT), Krister Ekstrom wrote: TF Also, if you [X] Add to Addressgroup, the Group Selector can only be TF reached with the mouse, and also only if you have labeled the graphic TF first. And then you have to hit tab 13

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-26 Thread Andrew Hodgson
Hello Thomas, Friday, September 26, 2003, 5:29:55 PM, you wrote: [...] trainable in Jaws by labeling the graphics for checked and unchecked. TF Hm. I have reports from Jaws users that the Mail Despatcher is pretty TF unusable for them. But I understand that there is a standard which TF

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-26 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Andrew, On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 18:46:30 +0100 GMT (27/09/2003, 00:46 +0700 GMT), Andrew Hodgson wrote: Not just Jaws but any new windows screen reader. This is called MS Active Accessability (MSAA), and is how we generally read web pages. I know this was posted before, but do you

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-25 Thread Andrew Hodgson
Hello Pranav, Wednesday, September 24, 2003, 11:55:11 PM, you wrote: PL Hi all, PL Is any one using Screen readers such as Jaws For Windows PL (http://www.freedomscientific.com) or Window Eyes (http://www.gwmicro.com) PL with TheBat? Yes! I am using Jaws 4.51 from

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-25 Thread Pranav Lal
Hi Thomas, This is very encouraging. Thus far, I have not had any access issues. I was wondering if there were any settings that I should set to ensure the best operation with a screen reader? For a start, I have disabled the email ticker. I am using JFW v4.51.119. Pranav

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-25 Thread Andrew Hodgson
Hello Pranav, Thursday, September 25, 2003, 7:50:26 AM, you wrote: PL Hi Thomas, PL This is very encouraging. Thus far, I have not had any access issues. I was PL wondering if there were any settings that I should set to ensure the best PL operation with a screen reader? The only other

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-25 Thread Krister Ekstrom
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Pranav, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 25 Sep 2003 04:25:11 (my local time 00:55:11), you typed: PL Is any one using Screen readers such as Jaws For Windows PL (http://www.freedomscientific.com) or Window Eyes (http://www.gwmicro.com)

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-25 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Krister, On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:56:50 +0200 GMT (25/09/2003, 14:56 +0700 GMT), Krister Ekstrom wrote: I have used TB with both Jaws for Windows and Hal 5.21. For the latter screen reader there's even a map (script or set) file provided. Good to know about the scripts for Hal. For Jaws,

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-25 Thread Claude Renaud
Hi Pranav, Le jeudi 25 septembre 2003 à 00:55:11, vous écriviez : PL Hi all, PL Is any one using Screen readers such as Jaws For Windows PL (http://www.freedomscientific.com) or Window Eyes (http://www.gwmicro.com) PL with TheBat? Personally I used to work with Jaws and nextly I will

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-25 Thread Pranav Lal
Hi Andrew, snip The only other access adjustment I did was to disable the HTML viewer so that HTML messages are viewed in the plaintext editor How do I disable the HTML viewer? Pranav Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-25 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Claude, On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 21:33:56 +0200 GMT (26/09/2003, 02:33 +0700 GMT), Claude Renaud wrote: But I'm not totally aggree with Thomas Fernandez when he said that jaws works perfectly with the bat!. Not perfectly, but pretty well. Here are the suggestions for TB that I have compiled

Re: Screen readers and TheBat

2003-09-24 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Pranav, On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 04:25:11 +0530 GMT (25/09/2003, 05:55 +0700 GMT), Pranav Lal wrote: Is any one using Screen readers such as Jaws For Windows (http://www.freedomscientific.com) or Window Eyes (http://www.gwmicro.com) with TheBat? Several people are. I know that TB works very