Hello Urban,
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 00:55:56 +0200 GMT (10/06/2004, 05:55 +0700 GMT),
Urban wrote:
U There's another thing that could be helpful... If you could attach (in
U lack of any better words) the toggle to the address book. That way I
U could tell you that I might very well send meaningful
Hello Urban,
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 01:47:32 +0200 GMT (08/06/2004, 06:47 +0700 GMT),
Urban wrote:
U IMO that is simply not acceptable, by doing so I am implying to the
U receiver that if you are not using TB you are a wrong-doer.
What is not acceptable about that? - scnr.
U There's another thing
Hello ken,
On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 17:23:16 -0500 GMT (08/06/2004, 05:23 +0700 GMT),
ken green wrote:
No time was wasted
kg (Note: not just to Thomas)
OK.
kg Every beta-tester that posts a question about smileys takes away time
kg from them posting about a bug that isn't fixed yet.
That's why I
Wednesday, June 9, 2004, Thomas Fernandez wrote:
U IMO that is simply not acceptable, by doing so I am implying to the
U receiver that if you are not using TB you are a wrong-doer.
What is not acceptable about that? - scnr.
I guess I should have seen that one coming :-)
U There's another
ON Tuesday, June 8, 2004, 2:52:30 AM, you wrote:
ttc - Try this one, sir, it has an email client, a news client and a chat
ttc module, and..
Marek,
I still have a old mobile phone. All you can do with it is call and be
called. No SMS, no camera, no diary, no ringtones, no graphic display, no
Hi
On Tuesday, June 8, 2004, 1:38:41 PM, Gerard wrote:
G I still have a old mobile phone. All you can do with it is call and be
G called. No SMS, no camera, no diary, no ringtones, no graphic display, no
G games, no bluetooth,no picture messaging, no nothing. Just call.
G You think there is a
ON Tuesday, June 8, 2004, 3:01:15 PM, you wrote:
SE Perhaps that's the problem: we all want a simple email program, but it
SE would be nice if it had XYZ. And if everyone's XYZ is different...
Simon,
That is so true, and in case of TB!, in most cases you do not have to use
it if you do not want
On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 03:18:40PM -0400, Bob wrote:
Smileys and Mail Chat- can anyone tell me why Ritlabs has added these
silly features to its awesome mailer? Smileys seems like something
straight out of AOL's cheesy mailer, and those of us that actually use
instant messaging are probably
Krister Ekstrom, [KE] wrote:
KE No, especially not when it doesn't seem to be compatible with
KE other things than TB! itself. (or am i wrong here) If i'm right,
KE then i can't help wondering what the benefits of mail chat would
KE be. I have some friends, but i'm quite alone among them in using
rich gregory wrote:
My take on Smileys and mail chat: If they are mail client specific
then they are completely useless.
I agree, but I'm now not so sure I fully understand the chat feature.
(still playing catch-up with new features, and no longer have my test
machine for beta-testing).
I
Thomas Fernandez wrote:
No time was wasted
(Note: not just to Thomas)
I don't understand why this argument keeps getting raised. I know
that 9Val made this claim in the context of no *development* time was
wasted, but I think even in that context, a not insignificant time has
been allotted to
Hello ken,
On 8 Jun 2004 at 17:10:09 -0500 GMT [00:10 CEST] you wrote:
kg I thought I read somewhere (release notes?) that the chat feature
kg could be used to watch a conversation (?) Could this be used in
kg such a way as to create a virtual folder of *threads* to watch? That
kg would be
Allie Martin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
How about a large office setting users are on an LAN and behind a
proxy and cannot use the usual chat software. All in the office use
TB!. Mail chat would work well there.
True, but you could use the same argument to justify an IRC client, a
download manager,
On Tuesday, June 8, 2004 at 12:10:09 AM, ken green wrote:
Currently, trying to do something like that is possible, but would
involve a lot of extra work (filters and message coloring, etc.)
Perhaps you want to support
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0003088
Sunday, June 6, 2004, Allie Martin wrote:
U In that case the person who gets the table can do something that is
U _much_ better: (S)he can tell the sender that doing tables like that
U isn't necessarily a good thing and show him or her a better alternative.
.. the same can apply for the
Sunday, June 6, 2004, Thomas Fernandez wrote:
Correct, as the smiley-function in TB has nothing to do with the
author. It is only and exclusively up to the recipient to decide
whether he wants Ascii-smileys replaced by icon-smileys.
Even a silly sentence as The dog says grr and the cat meows
Hi Urban,
on Sun, 6 Jun 2004 13:20:44 +0200GMT, you wrote:
U Sunday, June 6, 2004, Thomas Fernandez wrote:
Correct, as the smiley-function in TB has nothing to do with the
author. It is only and exclusively up to the recipient to decide
whether he wants Ascii-smileys replaced by
Urban, [U] wrote:
U Even a silly sentence as The dog says grr and the cat meows
U shouldn't be interpreted as The dog says angry and the cat meows
U unless _I_ (the sender) mean it to be so.
I agree with this and simply because IMO, an emoticon is being
inappropriately triggered. Emoticons
Hello Urban,
On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 13:20:44 +0200 GMT (06/06/2004, 18:20 +0700 GMT),
Urban wrote:
Correct, as the smiley-function in TB has nothing to do with the
author. It is only and exclusively up to the recipient to decide
whether he wants Ascii-smileys replaced by icon-smileys.
U Even a
Hello rich,
On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 12:18:18 -0400 GMT (06/06/2004, 23:18 +0700 GMT),
rich gregory wrote:
TF I post one message in this thread after ignoring so many in TBBETA
TF and here about the smileys. And I get this. Oh, well... ;-)
rg So Sorry... I *should have* put in one of those
Urban, [U] wrote:
U In that case the person who gets the table can do something that is
U _much_ better: (S)he can tell the sender that doing tables like that
U isn't necessarily a good thing and show him or her a better alternative.
.. the same can apply for the emoticon issue. In fact the
Hello rich,
On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 22:32:12 -0400 GMT (05/06/2004, 09:32 +0700 GMT),
rich gregory wrote:
MM The Bat! has many unique features and I don't understand, why must be
MM features cross-platform.
rg With regards to CHATing...
rg (Unless I am also as clueless what TB! is calling a chat as
Hello Peter,
On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 18:07:29 -0400 GMT (05/06/2004, 05:07 +0700 GMT),
Peter Kerekes wrote:
PK Who can see the smileys other than BAT readers?
Everybody. Over here, :-) looks like colon-minus-rightParenthesis. You
can easily see that with every mail client.
All the new feature for
Hello Cyrille,
On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 23:49:20 +0200 GMT (05/06/2004, 04:49 +0700 GMT),
Cyrille wrote:
C I am still hesitating to make TB my default mailer. And what I read on
C this list in these last couple of days about v2.11 does not encourage me at
C all
TB has been my default mailer for 5
Hello,
I agree with some of you. I cannot understand why Ritlabs spends its
resources for features like smiles, chat... Who needs it? The one
and only reason I switched to Bat was it funcionality - mailer, no
more no less. The more features they add, the more bugs the make.
This is not problem
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Hello Urban,
On 05 June 2004, 03:26 +0200 (05/06/200402:26 local time) Urban [U] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
U Not just the standard ones, and that is what is so wrong. There should
U at least be a warning upon sending of messages containing the
Saturday, June 5, 2004, 10:50:29 AM, Martin wrote (in part):
AJ Yes, but the inclusion of these features has diverted resource from more
AJ functional and useful features, and from bug elimination.
MW For instance, the new emoticon feature was put together some weeks
MW ago for personal use by
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Hello Allister,
On 05 June 2004, 22:39 +1200 (05/06/200411:39 local time) Allister Jenks
[AJ] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
MW Whilst typing this message in MicroEd I see many enhancements in the new
MW release so it seems that efforts haven't
Hello Jan,
On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 07:28:47 -0400 GMT (05/06/2004, 18:28 +0700 GMT),
Jan Rifkinson wrote:
BG [...] Pleeease, can you implement feature for light control for
BG my aquarium. Nice toolbar would be welcome. Fish icons and fish
BG smiles are must! [\...]
JR Ho hum... same old, same old
Boris Gereg, [BG] wrote:
BG I agree with some of you. I cannot understand why Ritlabs spends
BG its resources for features like smiles, chat... Who needs it?
BG The one and only reason I switched to Bat was it funcionality -
BG mailer, no more no less. The more features they add, the more
BG bugs
Hello Allie,
On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 06:49:57 -0500 GMT (05/06/2004, 18:49 +0700 GMT),
Allie Martin wrote:
AM I just saw one from mmMeister on HTML editor enhancements. I'm
AM pretty sure he's not the only one who has appreciated the HTML
AM editor's improvements.
I always thought Maggie was a she.
Thomas Fernandez, [TF] wrote:
AM I just saw one from mmMeister on HTML editor enhancements. I'm
AM pretty sure he's not the only one who has appreciated the HTML
AM editor's improvements.
TF I always thought Maggie was a she.
:oops: ... I never knew. :)
AM Those anti-HTML editor posts are
Hello mm,
On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 08:52:21 -0400 GMT (05/06/2004, 19:52 +0700 GMT),
mm Meister wrote:
T I always thought Maggie was a she.
mM Last I looked checking. Yep! A she!!
If you get bored of checking, you could just refer people to the
Rogues Gallery. If you send a picture to Marck first,
Hello mm,
On 5 Jun 2004 at 08:52:21 -0400 GMT [14:52 CEST] you wrote:
AM I just saw one from mmMeister on HTML editor enhancements. I'm
AM pretty sure he's not the only one
T I always thought Maggie was a she.
mM Last I looked checking. Yep! A she!!
I can only speak for me but it would
Hello Andre!
On Saturday, June 05, 2004, 8:52 AM, you wrote:
mM Last I looked checking. Yep! A she!!
AW I can only speak for me but it would definitely help to include your
AW first name under from: Maggie is pretty clear but I definitly look more
AW often there than at the signature.
Andre,
Richard Wakeford wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
All TB! users presumably subscribe to this list at least
That's an interesting presumption. I'd think most of them don't. Do
we know how many TB! users there are and how many list
subscribers?
--
Mike
TB! v1.60q
Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service
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Hello All,
Friday, June 4, 2004, 2:18:40 PM, Bob wrote:
B Smileys and Mail Chat- can anyone tell me why Ritlabs has added these
B silly features to its awesome mailer? [...]
Microsoftitis. Tragic, usually fatal corporate disease.
B I know I'm
Saturday, June 5, 2004, Richard Wakeford wrote:
I don't understand why you should have to do that? All TB! users
presumably subscribe to this list at least
But not everybody is a TB user :-( and even some TB users don't know
English.
Other e-mail programmes work in different ways so they
Urban, [U] wrote:
U Because I do NOT want them to use the icons under ANY circumstances. If
U I write h2g2 it is because I _mean_ the book, not some little image over
U which I have no control (unless I break into the computer of the one who
U is receiving the mail and remove it from her/his
Hello Mary,
On 5 Jun 2004 at 09:05:02 -0500 GMT [16:05 CEST] you wrote:
MB Andre, not looking at the sig, you miss all the delightful cookies!
MB (I'm now cross-posting to tbot :) )
It's not that I ignore sigs completely. But will not spend all parts of
it equal attention. The cookies is the
Hello Maggie,
On 5 Jun 2004 at 13:59:04 -0400 GMT [19:59 CEST] you wrote:
M I found Folder - Properties - Identity and changed it to Maggie. Is it better now?
Yes perfect. :)
You can even do it on a per template basis:
%from='Name address'
--
Cheers,
Andre
The world is only as big
as the
Hello rich,
On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 14:03:37 -0400 GMT (06/06/2004, 01:03 +0700 GMT),
rich gregory wrote:
they give you something for free and everybody cries foul
rg Nobody here has cried foul since this information was divulged, which
rg in TBUDL time, has been quite a while now.
rg I feel, as I
Hello Urban,
On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 21:01:46 +0200 GMT (06/06/2004, 02:01 +0700 GMT),
Urban wrote:
Why should you send a note???
U Because I do NOT want them to use the icons under ANY circumstances.
It's his choice.
U If I write h2g2 it is because I _mean_ the book, not some little
U image over
Hello Urban,
On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 16:38:59 +0200 GMT (05/06/2004, 21:38 +0700 GMT),
Urban wrote:
U It shouldn't be up to the author to find up work-arounds if (s)he wants
U or needs something to be interpreted literarily; not while (s)he is
U writing, anyway.
Correct, as the smiley-function in TB
Hello Bob,
Friday, June 4, 2004, 9:18:40 PM, you wrote:
B Or at least give us the option of
B installing it as a feature.
You're not on TBBeta? If I remember well, one of the programmers
told it would require too big a rewrite if these would be made
available as plug-ins.
Besides, you can
Hi Bob,
on Fri, 4 Jun 2004 15:18:40 -0400GMT, you wrote:
B Smileys and Mail Chat- can anyone tell me why Ritlabs has added these
B silly features to its awesome mailer?
I don't know. Maybe because programmers are young people and think
these additions are nice and wanted...?
B I know I'm
Saturday, June 5, 2004, 7:32:13 AM, Mark wrote:
MP Besides, you can disable both features completely if you wish. And
MP it isn't hard to do so.
Yes, but the inclusion of these features has diverted resource from more
functional and useful features, and from bug elimination.
--
Cheers,
Hello Bob,
Friday, June 4, 2004, 9:18:40 PM, you wrote:
B Smileys and Mail Chat- can anyone tell me why Ritlabs has added these
B silly features to its awesome mailer? Why doesn't
B Ritlabs just give its user base what they ask for instead of bloating
B their program with this stuff?
B I know
Hello Bob,
Friday, June 4, 2004, 1:18:40 PM, you wrote:
Bob I know I'm venting a bit and am inviting flames here, but I'd
Bob like to know if anyone else agrees with me on this. I certainly
Bob hope this isn't an indication of what's to come for The Bat!.
Mail chat, I don't know, but Smileys
Hello rich,
Friday, June 4, 2004, 3:38:08 PM, you wrote:
rich If I send 100 emails out with Smileys, chances are (guessing) 60
rich are going to Outlook, 30 to Netscape (AOL), and the other 10 to
rich Eudora, Pegasus, The Bat!, etc. If they only mail clients to see
rich my Smileys are TB! clients
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Hello Allister,
On 04 June 2004, 09:51 +1200 (04/06/200422:51 local time) Allister Jenks
[AJ] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
MP Besides, you can disable both features completely if you wish. And
MP it isn't hard to do so.
AJ Yes, but the inclusion
Leif Gregory wrote:
Mail chat, I don't know, but Smileys were added during personal time
by 9Val.. He was not on the RITLabs clock when he did it.
Whether or not you believe it to be a useless feature is up to you,
but bug fixing and whatnot wasn't hurt by 9Vals work. He was on
personal
On 6/4/04, at 5:04 PM, Allister Jenks sent the following:
AJ Saturday, June 5, 2004, 7:32:13 AM, Mark wrote:
MP Besides, you can disable both features completely if you wish. And
MP it isn't hard to do so.
AJ Yes, but the inclusion of these features has diverted resource from more
AJ
Saturday, June 5, 2004, Leif Gregory wrote:
All TB does is to locally *display* the standard ASCII/Plaintext
smilies in an e-mail as an image.
snip
All other e-mail clients will see them as the plaintext smiley (unless
they too convert them locally).
Not just the standard ones, and that is
Friday, June 4, 2004, Mark Partous wrote:
Besides, you can disable both features completely if you wish. And it
isn't hard to do so.
Yes, it's easy if I am on the receiving end.
Not so easy if I am the sender -- I either have to start each mail with
a note that TB users should use the PTV (and
On Sat 5 June 2004, 11:26:30 +1000, Urban wrote:
All other e-mail clients will see them as the plaintext smiley (unless
they too convert them locally).
Not just the standard ones, and that is what is so wrong. There should
at least be a warning upon sending of messages containing the
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