Ta-dah!
I've found the cause and thought I should share with community and
developers, so here goes. Many thanks to all that responded with
ideas, too!
It turns out that during some aspect of the upgrade process from 1.53d
through 1.60h to 1.60j (current), and/or deleting my Inbox - Known
Jonathan,
JA Not sure if this is helpful... Have you made sure that you have
JA the Continue processing set? I cannot remember the full name. It
JA may have become switched off some how... and as soon as it hits
JA that rule, it has no reason to continue processing.
The problem is actually that
On Sun, 5 May 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jonathan,
JA Not sure if this is helpful... Have you made sure that you have
JA the Continue processing set? I cannot remember the full name. It
JA may have become switched off some how... and as soon as it hits
JA that rule, it has no reason to
Hello John.
At 1:03 PM on Friday, May 03, 2002 you wrote the following
about [separate Inbox-Known for each address book]:
John I've split my address book into two - work folks and
John personal folks. Can I make an Inbox - Known rule for
John each address book?
I believe you can. Check
At Saturday, May 4, 2002, 4:15:31 AM, role+the wrote:
Hi,
I think the old bug-reporting changed, but I can't find or remember
where it goes now, so herewith my findings...
Just upgraded to 1.60h, running NT4.
I found I couldn't move the Inbox - Known folder into a sub-folder,
and it's
MS Is the known filter set to active?
Nope - wasn't beforehand, and still isn't.
I hadn't realised how reliant I'd become on my handful of filters over
the months (years?) now that everything's being dumped in the same
folder, it's much harder to keep track!!
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Best regards,
James
Hello Mike,
Saturday, May 4, 2002, 6:31:01 AM, you digitally penned the following;
MS At Saturday, May 4, 2002, 4:15:31 AM, role+the wrote:
Hi,
I think the old bug-reporting changed, but I can't find or remember
where it goes now, so herewith my findings...
Just upgraded to 1.60h,
On Sat, 4 May 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
MS Is the known filter set to active?
Nope - wasn't beforehand, and still isn't.
I hadn't realised how reliant I'd become on my handful of filters over
the months (years?) now that everything's being dumped in the same
folder, it's much harder
I've split my address book into two - work folks and personal folks.
Can I make an Inbox - Known rule for each address book?
Thanks
-John
Current Ver: 1.60h
FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
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Hi,
I think the old bug-reporting changed, but I can't find or remember
where it goes now, so herewith my findings...
Just upgraded to 1.60h, running NT4.
I found I couldn't move the Inbox - Known folder into a sub-folder,
and it's not a feature I want right now. The filter is NOT marked
Hello mocha9mail,
On Thu, 2 May 2002 01:28:37 -0400GMT (2-5-02, 7:28 +0200GMT, where I
live), you wrote:
mmc In the Account filters, there is a know filter for the Incoming
mmc mail. How can I add that same known filter to Sent mail?
I think you can't.
However, you can create an outgoing
Thursday, May 02, 2002, Roelof Otten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 2 May 2002 01:28:37 -0400GMT (2-5-02, 7:28 +0200GMT, where I
live), you wrote:
mmc In the Account filters, there is a know filter for the Incoming
mmc mail. How can I add that same known filter to Sent mail?
I think you
Hello mocha9mail,
On Thu, 2 May 2002 20:01:24 -0400GMT (3-5-02, 2:01 +0200GMT, where I
live), you wrote:
mmc In the Account filters, there is a know filter for the Incoming
mmc mail. How can I add that same known filter to Sent mail?
I think you can't.
However, you can create an outgoing
Is there any documentation available on the Inbox - Known folder; how it
works, etc.? TheBat! 1.60h Help file lacks documentation on this mail
folder.
If there is a web page providing such documentation, please cite the URL.
Thank you.
--
Using The Bat! v1.60h
OS: Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195
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Hi Mark,
@02 May 2002, 20:22:16 -0400 (01:22 UK time) Mark Knipfer wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is there any documentation available on the Inbox - Known folder; how it
works, etc.? TheBat! 1.60h Help fi
In the Account filters, there is a know filter for the Incoming
mail. How can I add that same known filter to Sent mail?
Thanks in advance
JM
Using The Bat! 1.60c
Under Windows 98 4.10 Build A
Current Ver: 1.60h
FAQ
n delete if by finding a message of him/her and use the
above mentioned shortcut :-)
If my Known filter would be active all necessary steps would be taken
this way :-)
I do rarely have people in my AB I don't receive mail from _and_ want to
delete these entries :-)
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Regards
Peter Pal
and that one
PP is in my AB I can delete if by finding a message of him/her and use the
PP above mentioned shortcut :-)
PP If my Known filter would be active all necessary steps would be taken
PP this way :-)
PP I do rarely have people in my AB I don't receive mail from _and_ want to
PP delete
What happened to the inbox-known feature I saw in 1.60b? It appears to
be gone in 1.60c.
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Curt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Current Ver: 1.60c
FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Hello Curt,
Monday, April 22, 2002, 12:14:35 PM, you wrote:
CA What happened to the inbox-known feature I saw in 1.60b? It appears to
CA be gone in 1.60c.
I am using the c version and it still has the InBox
known feature. You have to have the email addresses
already in your address book
Hello Curt,
On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:14:35 -0400GMT (22-4-02, 22:14 +0200GMT, where
I live), you wrote:
CA What happened to the inbox-known feature I saw in 1.60b? It appears to
CA be gone in 1.60c.
Still present. Maybe you deactivated the known filter, that makes the
known-inbox go away
With this new known filter adding people to your address book becomes
a lot more important. But there is no way currently to quickly remove
people from the address book. It is a two click process to add
someone. . . but quite a bit more complicated to remove them.
So my feature request
Upgrading from b to c, the inbox - known folders remain. But, I did a
fresh install of c today--no knowns, nor is there a known filter
anywhere in sight.
Also, did an upgrade of a 1.53 to 1.60c and no knowns appeared.
Bug?
--
Best regards,
Curt
Monday, April 22
Hello Carsten,
On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 23:13:57 -0400GMT (15-4-02, 5:13 +0200GMT, where I
live), you wrote:
CGS Why is an email with the follwing header not moved to my
CGS INBOX-KNOWN (Filter is active), though the email address
CGS thomaslundy@...com is in my address book?
Probably because
Hi,
Why is an email with the follwing header not moved to my INBOX-KNOWN
(Filter is active), though the email address thomaslundy@...com is in my
address book?
Return-Path: thomaslundy@com
X-Flags:
Delivered-To: GMX delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Received: (qmail
Hello TBUL,
I thought I would try filtering known against my personal address
book. I had the rule active and checking against the personal address
book. What happened is most of the e-mail ended up in the Inbox-Known
folder from various mailing list.
In retrospect when I look
Hi again,
Thanks for the reactions.. I thought I was gonna be skinned
alive ;-)for bringing this up again. But I'm glad I did.. Made me
think more about filtering and keeping the Inbox clean.
And:
I don't post much on mailinglist. And since posting to this one I got
two spam-mails.. Normally I
Ritlabs skip the whole idea of that
Inbox-known folder.. If they got any sense on this matter, they would
see how stupid it is.
1) degrading your inbox to a spam-folder.
2) the thing's name is too long and it just don't sound right.
3) you've got 2 folders with 2 blue arrows.. which looks very stupid
of the water. But since the discussion I read about
creating a spamfilter I thought about this again. (and someone :)
called this thing a zombie anyway, so.. ;)
I was just thinking.. Why doesn't Ritlabs skip the whole idea of that
Inbox-known folder.. If they got any sense on this matter
On 2-4-2002 at 21:46, Gene Gough wrote:
Well, many, many of us just edited the filter to point it at a folder
of choice and then got rid of the Unknown folder. Pretty simple.
I did so too. And I'm sorry for bringing this up again, and this is
the last I've got to say about it:
I hate stupid
Hi Haico,
On Tuesday, April 2, 2002 at 21:35:50 [GMT +0200], you wrote:
H Why not make the opposite, and create something like a junk-folder.
H (this has been mentioned before)You can also make a basic-filter with
H more options for dealing with spam..
You have my vote for this one. And I know
Agreed that the implementation was actually backwards from what was
desired and actually didn't do anything that wasn't possible before.
What it did do was make me think more about it and investigate the
address book idea enough to make a spam filter that is very low
maintenance.
The nice
the discussion I read about
creating a spamfilter I thought about this again. (and someone :)
called this thing a zombie anyway, so.. ;)
I was just thinking.. Why doesn't Ritlabs skip the whole idea of that
Inbox-known folder.. If they got any sense on this matter, they would
see how stupid it is.
1
I couldn't find, what is the purpose of the
inbox-known?
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Marionmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a
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Friday, March 29, 2002, 7:40:38 AM, Marion scribbled:
M Right! I have been using Eudora for 7 years now, never really
M configuring it from scratch, but lately it has been playing trics on
M me and making some messages disappear in cyberspace. So I decided to
M try The Bat!
This is of great
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M Other question I couldn't find, what is the purpose of the
M inbox-known?
It's a common folder created 'out of the box', to be used with the
inbox
Hello Michael,
Friday, March 29, 2002, 4:47:33 PM, you wrote:
MD This is of great comfort to me, as I thought I was the only one having
MD this problem with Eudora. I guess when they put in the adware, they
MD broke something else. Also, Qualcomm seems to have lost interest in
MD the
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On Friday, March 29, 2002, at 5:40:38 AM PST, Marion wrote:
ACM Pegasus has the ability to reflow sender paragraphs when quoting
ACM them. What it did was to reflow you're quoted material, but
ACM unlike TB!, it doesn't recognise initialed quote
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On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 08:34:14 -0800, Melissa Reese [MR] wrote these
comments:
...
MR One thing you may want to do, just to be compatible with the widest
MR range of other people's mailers, is to use the standard quote prefix
MR ( ) instead of a
On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 08:34:14 -0800 Melissa Reese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ACM Pegasus has the ability to reflow sender paragraphs when quoting
ACM them. What it did was to reflow you're quoted material, but
ACM unlike TB!, it doesn't recognise initialed quote prefixing. It
ACM therefore
On Friday, March 29, 2002, 10:17:34 AM, Marion wrote:
MD Qualcomm seems to have lost interest in the program, making me
MD wonder what its eventual fate will be.
To me too! Good to know I am not the only one ;-)
Strange thing, I don't have these problems on my laptop, while using
the
Tuesday, March 26, 2002, 2:37:39 PM, Gene scribbled:
GG OK, now I understand what you mean. I don't understand why that is a
GG problem. Just disable it and move to the bottom.
It's a matter of aesthetics and performance. I don't use it, so I want
to get rid of it and make things tidy.
On 27-3-2002 at 12:49, Michael Disabato wrote:
Hi Michael,
Tuesday, March 26, 2002, 2:37:39 PM, Gene scribbled:
GG OK, now I understand what you mean. I don't understand why that is a
GG problem. Just disable it and move to the bottom.
It's a matter of aesthetics and performance. I don't
Although some seem not to like it, the known filter and InBox are
helping me sort the wheat from the chaff. But I have a question.
The description of the known filter says it allows you to separate
incoming mail by presence of the sender's address in your address
book. I presumed that meant
On 27-3-02 at 17:19, Haico kindly wrote:
On 27-3-2002 at 12:49, Michael Disabato wrote:
['known- filter]
GG OK, now I understand what you mean. I don't understand why that is a
GG problem. Just disable it and move to the bottom.
It's a matter of aesthetics and performance. I don't use
Hello Nick!
On Tuesday, March 26, 2002 at 1:16:52 AM you wrote:
That pretty much sums up my view on it as well, and you can add the
SmartBat memo pad 'thingy' and calculator to that list as well. Sorry
RITLabs but there are much more important enhancements needed.
The Inbox - Known can
important enhancements needed.
DH The Inbox - Known can be of help if one does not have much experience
DH with filtering. It is therefore a good (and very small) addition to
DH beginners. (Note: I haven't used it, yet.)
I would think that the concept of simply filtering to different
folders based
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On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 19:05:33 +0900, Yuki Taga [YT] wrote these comments:
...
DH The SmartBat is useful for transferring text of any kind (including
DH filters) between accounts, messages, even programmes).
YT Easier than copy to the clipboard and
Tuesday, March 26, 2002, 1:58:16 AM, Dierk scribbled:
DH The Inbox - Known can be of help if one does not have much experience
DH with filtering. It is therefore a good (and very small) addition to
DH beginners. (Note: I haven't used it, yet.)
I agree, but it would be nice to be able to delete
You can manage multiple clips of text with it. You can format them and
ACM manipulate them as you wish. You can't do that with the clipboard.
I'm not surprised there is more to it than that. The developers
aren't likely to add completely useless features -- *except* for
probably the Inbox - Known
Hello Nick.
At 7:16 PM on Monday, March 25, 2002 you wrote the following
about [Inbox - Known - general comments (Was: Changing
properties for Inbox - Known)]:
Nick [...] there are much more important enhancements
Nick needed. [/...]
What enhancements are @ the top of your list?
--
Jan
Tuesday, March 26, 2002, 11:58:08 AM, Michael Disabato wrote:
I agree, but it would be nice to be able to delete it. This non-choice
kind of option just makes programs larger, not more useful. I've
killed off the Known box mainly because I use filtering at the server
to route unknown
Hello Roberto.
At 2:42 PM on Monday, March 25, 2002 you wrote the following
about [Changing properties for Inbox - Known]:
Roberto I think that the Inbox - Known is a good idea,
Roberto but I would rather have the known e-mails go to my
Roberto Inbox and unknown e-mails go to Inbox -
Roberto
Hello Yuki!
On Tuesday, March 26, 2002 at 1:27:11 PM you wrote:
But, it does strike me as an extreme power user kind of thing. I'm
sure it's going to be useful for some, maybe even many. But I think
you'll agree that there are a ton of folks who will never do more
than open it once, gape at
Hello Michael!
On Tuesday, March 26, 2002 at 12:58:08 PM you wrote:
I agree, but it would be nice to be able to delete it.
I seem to be the only one never having trouble deleting it. I tested
it some time back during beta (when it was introduced), decided I
won't need it at the moment and
As did I. No problem deleting it at all. Then when I finally figured
out that it was a much better way to filter spam than the stuff I had
I recreated the folder and then found out I could name it whatever I
wanted and did so. Just have to edit the known filter to use the new
folder name
Tuesday, March 26, 2002, 6:39:59 AM, Geoff scribbled:
From my experience, you have the choice whether to retain this folder.
GL I've deleted Inbox - Known from my copy of TB! 1.60. To do this, I
GL ensured that the Known filter was inactive, then right-clicked
GL Inbox-Known, then clicked
Hello Luc
At 2:24 PM on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 you wrote the
following about [Inbox - Known - general comments (Was:
Changing properties for Inbox - Known)]:
JR What enhancements are @ the top of your list?
Luc A fully written help file would be nice
Agreed. Anything else @ the top
It was foretold that on 26-3-2002 @ 14:39:41 GMT-0500 (which was 20:39
where I live) Jan Rifkinson wrote and spread these wise comments on
Inbox - Known - general comments (Was: Changing properties for
Inbox - Known):
JR Agreed. Anything else @ the top of your list?
Keep up the good work
there is more to it than that. The developers
YT aren't likely to add completely useless features -- *except* for
YT probably the Inbox - Known and the Menu Navigator. (ducking and
YT running again) (^_-) But, it does strike me as an extreme power user
YT kind of thing.
Like regular expression support
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Hi all,
Forgive my ignorance, but I keep seeing messages referring to
'known' folders - could anyone tell me what this means and what value it
would have please?
Best regards,
Dave Wilson.
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Hello Wayne
You wrote On Sun, 24 Mar 2002, at 21:55:09 [GMT -0800] (16:55 Monday where I live):-
MR I'm a bit curious about this too. I installed v1.60 over my previous
MR version (1.53t), and I don't see any Inbox-Known folders. However -
MR if I look in my sorting office for each account
Monday, March 25, 2002, 8:45:40 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Forgive my ignorance, but I keep seeing messages referring to
'known' folders - could anyone tell me what this means and what value it
would have please?
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The Inbox - Known folder is a new feature of TB! 1.60 (OK
Hello daveiw!
On Monday, March 25, 2002 at 9:45:40 AM you wrote:
Forgive my ignorance, but I keep seeing messages referring to
'known' folders - could anyone tell me what this means and what value it
would have please?
It is connected to a new standard filter which will put all
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Hi Dierk,
Monday, March 25, 2002, 10:35:48 AM, you wrote:
DH Hello daveiw!
DH On Monday, March 25, 2002 at 9:45:40 AM you wrote:
Forgive my ignorance, but I keep seeing messages referring to
'known' folders - could anyone tell me
(1.53t), and I don't see any Inbox-Known folders. However -
MR if I look in my sorting office for each account, I see a currently
MR *inactive* known incoming filter.
Just create a new folder for each account and name it $Known$ (with
the dollar signs) This creats an Inbox - Known folder.
JP
click Account; click Sorting/Office filters
click on the plus by inbox. Select Known
Click this rule is active should result in a check in that box.
In the list box above one or more address books will be listed. Check
those that you want searched to make a match.
Move this filter
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Hi Gene,
Monday, March 25, 2002, 3:39:52 PM, you wrote:
GG click Account; click Sorting/Office filters
GG click on the plus by inbox. Select Known
GG Click this rule is active should result in a check in that box.
GG In the list box above one
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Hi Marck,
Sorry Marck, I genuinely forgot.
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@25 March 2002, 15:50:53 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
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This does sound *very* useful, many thanks for a prompt and
detailed reply.
moderator
This response was a superb example
!
I only have two questions:
I think that the Inbox - Known is a good idea, but I would rather
have the known e-mails go to my Inbox and unknown e-mails go to
Inbox - Unknown, this is because I frecuently sync with my handheld
via MAPI, and it polls e-mail from the Inbox. So right now I would
It was foretold that on 25-3-2002 @ 11:42:44 GMT-0800 (which was 20:42
where I live) Roberto Machorro wrote and spread these wise comments on
Changing properties for Inbox - Known:
RM What is the SmartBat? I haven't found documentation on it.
A notepad with search capacity. It comes
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On Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:42:44 -0800, Roberto Machorro [RM] graced us with
these comments:
...
RM I think that the Inbox - Known is a good idea, but I would rather
RM have the known e-mails go to my Inbox and unknown e-mails go to
RM Inbox - Unknown
Monday, March 25, 2002, 3:44:48 PM, you wrote:
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On Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:42:44 -0800, Roberto Machorro [RM] graced us with
these comments:
...
RM I think that the Inbox - Known is a good idea, but I would rather
RM have the known e-mails go to my
I might get corrected on this, but I believe that the Known filter
is just a preset way to do what was and remains possible using the
pre-existing filter set. You can easily set up one or two filters to
accomplish your desired result.
- Disable the Inbox-Known filter. Move the folder
On Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:42:44 -0800, Roberto Machorro [RM] graced us
with these comments: ...
RM I think that the Inbox - Known is a good idea
Maybe it is, but to me it just seems like a typical case of software
bloat and redundancy, albeit probably on a small scale here.
Basically, what
I also would like that method or option. As it stands now, my INBOX
has become my SPAM box and the KNOWN my Inbox. Since the filter
itself will allow you to direct it's selection to any folder you want
the implementation is almost there. What we want is the other half
which would allow you
Hello Yuki Taga,
On Monday, March 25 2002 at 03:27 PM PDT, you wrote:
Maybe it is, but to me it just seems like a typical case of software
bloat and redundancy, albeit probably on a small scale here.
That pretty much sums up my view on it as well, and you can add the
SmartBat memo pad
filters and cross-accounts address books. Or:
being able to queue specific mails to be sent at a specific
time. And: the ability to search through different groups in
the address book. Or: porting TB to Linux.
I love TB, but a known-inbox that reduces the real inbox to
an upbeat version of a spam
What we want is the other half which would allow you to say IF not
in the address book, then direct the message here.
The program already has it. Office Sorting/Filters, look under the
Advanced tab.
Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a
FAQ
in the Inbox - Known.
some filtering cannot be left to automatons and has to be done in your
head. mail left in the Inbox is likely spam, whereas mail in the
Inbox-Known is most probably not spam and therefore relevant enough for
you to give it some TLA.
together with other filters, i can safely delete 95
Hello,
I'd searched the list subjects but couldn't see any subject that
referred to my subject. So apologies if it's been covered and everyone
except me and my dogs knows this...
When I upgraded to 1.60 only the accounts that were currently expanded
had the new folder Inbox-Known added to them
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On Sunday, March 24, 2002, at 6:16:39 AM PST, David Stone wrote:
Is this the correct way to create these new 'Inbox-Known' folders?
I'm a bit curious about this too. I installed v1.60 over my previous
version (1.53t), and I don't see any Inbox
Hello Melissa Reese,
On Sunday, March 24 2002 at 09:29 AM PDT, you wrote:
Even after activating the filter, and testing by sending myself mail
from a known address, the message simply goes into the regular
Inbox, and there is no Inbox-Known (and no choice of that to move
known mail
Sunday, March 24, 2002 9:49 PM GMT -0800 (PST)
Hello Melissa, This is a reply to your message dated
Sunday, March 24, 2002, 9:29:40 AM, when you wrote:
MR On Sunday, March 24, 2002, at 6:16:39 AM PST, David Stone wrote:
Is this the correct way to create these new 'Inbox-Known' folders?
MR
Haye,
On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, at 10:45:45 [GMT +0700] (which was 9:15 AM where I live) you
wrote:
H Can any body tell me, what the meaning of the folder Inbox-known ?
This I believe beta issue and am not sure if its to be discussed here.
In short this is an attempt to create a spam filter
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