Re: Multiple Mail Server Configurations
Hallo Chris, On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 21:53:44 -0500GMT (7-9-2005, 4:53 +0200, where I live), you wrote: C I remember from a while ago there was a program that C could be configured as a local SMTP server that would forward messages C to different servers depending on location. What was it called? X-Ray -- Groetjes, Roelof If the water is clean, you see the bottom, if dirty, you see yourself. The Bat! 3.61.03 beta Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgp3Sq00s2kTm.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: PopFile - last account 'hangs'
07 September 2005 - 07:02 Hello Marten, Tuesday, September 6, 2005, 11:13:29 PM, you wrote: MG You could try this from Mica: Thank you, Marten, I'll give it a whirl. -- Best regards, William Flying with The Bat! Professional version 3.60.07 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SOT: PGP to GPG Migration
Hi Chris, On Tuesday, September 06, 2005, you wrote: Chris @ 9/05/2005 4:50:45 PM SOT: PGP to GPG Migration mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SOT = Slightly Off-Topic Is there any documentation for migrating from PGP to GPG? I need to use GPG now because I am dual-booting with Linux. Anyone? When I did my original migration, I had the fortune of being able to just rename the key files from .skr and .pkr to .gpg and move into the GPG home directory. If that doesn't work, you can always open the PGP key manager, and export all the keys and import them into GPG. Don't forget to export your private/secret keys, and import those too. -- Jonathan Angliss [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpGrxpp5oqif.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multiple Mail Server Configurations
Chris On Wed 7 September 2005, 12:53:44 +1000, you wrote: I am currently using a HP Compaq tc4200 (it's a tablet) as my main computer. Since I roam, I connect to different networks (two main ones). I have an e-mail account on each network. On the first network, their SMTP server only works when I am connected to their network (because they are too lazy to implement SMTP authentication). When I am not connected to their network, I have to use the other network's SMTP server. I remember from a while ago there was a program that could be configured as a local SMTP server that would forward messages to different servers depending on location. What was it called? As Roelof said, try X-Ray Mail Assistant at www.xrayapp.com -- Robin Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multiple Mail Server Configurations
Hello all, Wednesday, September 7, 2005, Robin Anson wrote: On Wed 7 September 2005, 12:53:44 +1000, you wrote: I am currently using a HP Compaq tc4200 (it's a tablet) as my main computer. Since I roam, I connect to different networks (two main ones). I have an e-mail account on each network. On the first network, their SMTP server only works when I am connected to their network (because they are too lazy to implement SMTP authentication). When I am not connected to their network, I have to use the other network's SMTP server. I remember from a while ago there was a program that could be configured as a local SMTP server that would forward messages to different servers depending on location. What was it called? As Roelof said, try X-Ray Mail Assistant at www.xrayapp.com yes, I am using X-RAY on three internet connections and have no problem, everything works fine. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.61.03 beta under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Notebook Acer, Pentium4-M 2.2 GHz, 512 MB RAM, ADSL line Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multiple Mail Server Configurations
Hallo Robin, On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 18:24:35 +1000GMT (7-9-2005, 10:24 +0200, where I live), you wrote: RA As Roelof said, try X-Ray Mail Assistant at www.xrayapp.com Yeah, but as I've never used it, I didn't know where to get it. ;-) -- Groetjes, Roelof What do you mean, you formatted the cat?!? The Bat! 3.61.03 beta Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpH0aZkkYX9x.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PopFile - last account 'hangs'
Hello The Janitor everyone else, on 06-Sep-2005 at 22:58 you (The Janitor) wrote: I've just installed/configured PopFile for ten accounts It's already beginning to do its job. However, intermittantly, TB! 'hangs' when trying to connect to the last account (in the tree list) for downloading new mail. What happens when you download from one single account only? I'm asking because PopFile has a limit on simultaneous connections, the standard is AFAIK 5 - if you try to access many accounts at the same time, some of the connections will be queued by PopFile. You can try to increase the limit. If you use more, PopFile will cause really high CPU load (which it does anyway, I for one think it will start running fast smooth on 5GHz processors - YMMV). If you use PopFile for nothing else but spam filtering, I'd use K9 instead if I were you (which I am not, but I am still using K9 *gg*). If you need the extended classification capabilites of PopFile, there's no alternative that I know of. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) A person starts to live when he can live outside himself. -- Albert Einstein Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TB BETA Version information...
DAC There is usually a change log, which may or may not be as complete as DAC some people want/expect, with new betas. Is there a Website where this log could be looked ? -- WilWilWil :flag-france: TB 3.60.07 BayesIt! 0.8.4 Windows XP Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: PopFile - last account 'hangs'
07 September 2005 - 13:11 Hello Alexander, Wednesday, September 7, 2005, 11:40:19 AM, you wrote: ASK What happens when you download from one single account only? Works fine. ASK If you use PopFile for nothing else but spam filtering, I'd use K9 instead I'd almost come to the same conclusion. The registry tweak suggested didn't really appeal but I was willing to try it. I haven't done it yet so I'll look at K9 first. Thanks. -- Best regards, William Flying with The Bat! Professional version 3.60.07 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SOT: PGP to GPG Migration
Jonathan Angliss @ 9/07/2005 1:12:37 AM SOT: PGP to GPG Migration mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] When I did my original migration, I had the fortune of being able to just rename the key files from .skr and .pkr to .gpg and move into the GPG home directory. If that doesn't work, you can always open the PGP key manager, and export all the keys and import them into GPG. Don't forget to export your private/secret keys, and import those too. Thanks. So there was no problem with different encryption algorithms? -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for you and me. Using The Bat! v3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. Speak softly and carry a +6 two-handed sword. pgpTjT2iEMoPB.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB BETA Version information...
Hi WilWilWil, on Tue, 6 Sep 2005 22:01:43 +0200GMT (06.09.2005, 22:01 +0200GMT here), you wrote: W Is there a way (website or mailing list) to obtain list of bugs W solved and new feature developped whenever a new BETA is available. W Just for information. I don't want to risk my TB with beta ! ;-) Sure there is. Join the TBBeta mailing list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Cheers Peter Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Templates
Tuesday, September 06, 2005, Alexander S. Kunz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Marten Gallagher everyone else, on 06-Sep-2005 at 10:21 you (Marten Gallagher) wrote: Is there a way to set up default templates for all Accounts -- instead of setting up the same templates one account at a time? When you're creating the template, the Edit Template window has an Options tab. I don't think z5worg meant the Quick templates, but the account templates. Yes, I meant Account templates. Is there any way to set up default demplates that will apply to all Accounts? Since one cannot have more than one Account Properties open at the same time, I have to keep opening and closing two Account Properties in order to copy and paste. Is there a more efficient way? TIA -- Thanks in advance Using The Bat! 2.12.04 Under Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Filtering questions
1. What is the difference between Outgoing message and Replied message filters? e.g. If I want to sort all messages to TBUDL into a separate folder, some messages (like this one) would be a new message while others would be replies. Do I need 2 filters -- one for Outgoing and one for Replies? If not, what are the circumstances that one would put a filter into Replied Messages? 2. I have a filter for Outgoing message; and I want that message marked as UNread. Looking under the Action tab, the only option is to marked it Read. But all outgoing messages are automatically treated as Read (Marked the message as read is unchecked). So that checkbox doesn't seem to make sense. Anyway, is there a way to get TB to mark a filtered Outgoing message as UNread? -- Thanks in advance Using The Bat! 2.12.04 Under Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Templates
Hallo z5worg,
On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 18:47:00 -0400GMT (8-9-2005, 0:47 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:
Z Yes, I meant Account templates. Is there any way to set up default
Z demplates that will apply to all Accounts?
No.
Z Since one cannot have more than one Account Properties open at the
Z same time, I have to keep opening and closing two Account
Z Properties in order to copy and paste. Is there a more efficient
Z way?
Two ways to do this easier:
1)
Open the account properties and a text editor
Copy and paste all templates to the text editor
Open the next account
Copy and paste the templates into the next account
2)
Copy your new message template to a QT (quick template) and all it 'New'
Share that QT with all accounts (options tab)
Change the new message template for all accounts into this:
%QInclude('New')%-
Do likewise with the other accounts.
Especially the second way has a certain appeal to me, but as I'm using
just one account, I can't really comment on either of them.
--
Groetjes, Roelof
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Re[2]: SOT: PGP to GPG Migration
Good day, Chris. C Thanks. So there was no problem with different encryption algorithms? Simply use the latest GPG version. -- WBR, Vladimir 'insider' Prohorov mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [email only]|[3MB inbox]|[RLU #389152] [ICQ #179-598-229]|[Skype inside_r]|[JID:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat! 3.60.07 w/OTFE @ Windows 2003 (5.2.3790., [uptime :: 1d 2h 0m]) pgpaP6f6oMDhi.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filtering questions
Hallo z5worg, On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 19:22:44 -0400GMT (8-9-2005, 1:22 +0200, where I live), you wrote: Z 1. What is the difference between Outgoing message and Replied message Z filters? Incoming filters are applied when the message is incoming Read filters are applied as soon as the message changes from 'read' to 'unread' Replied filters are being applied when you reply to the message Outgoing filters are being applied after the message has been sent Selective download filters are something else, they're being applied while the message is still on the server. Z e.g. If I want to sort all messages to TBUDL into a separate Z folder, some messages (like this one) would be a new message while Z others would be replies. Do I need 2 filters -- one for Outgoing and Z one for Replies? In this case you'll only need a message for outgoing messages. Z If not, what are the circumstances that one would put a filter into Z Replied Messages? You get a number of messages that need a reply, but don't have time for that right now. So you move them to folder called 'Pending', now you've got this replied filter that moves them out of 'Pending' as soon as you reply to them. Z 2. I have a filter for Outgoing message; and I want that message marked Z as UNread. Looking under the Action tab, the only option is to marked it Z Read. That must be a difference between v2 and v3, as I have a 'Mark message as unread' action immediately below 'Mark as read' Z Anyway, is there a way to get TB to mark a filtered Outgoing Z message as UNread? Upgrade to v3? You could try to 'mark as read', maybe it's just toggling the read status, but I don't know, it's been awhile since I used v2. -- Groetjes, Roelof WINDOWS is to computing what Etch-a-Sketch is to art. The Bat! 3.61.03 beta Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpogpjGo4AHA.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Templates
Wednesday, September 07, 2005, Roelof Otten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 18:47:00 -0400GMT (8-9-2005, 0:47 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:
Z Since one cannot have more than one Account Properties open at the
Z same time, I have to keep opening and closing two Account
Z Properties in order to copy and paste. Is there a more efficient
Z way?
Two ways to do this easier:
1)
2)
Copy your new message template to a QT (quick template) and all it 'New'
Share that QT with all accounts (options tab)
Change the new message template for all accounts into this:
%QInclude('New')%-
Do likewise with the other accounts.
This sounds promising.
Now does that mean that even if the QT is checked to share with all
accounts, it doesn't really share unless the macro %QInclude('New')%- is
typed into the other Account's Properties?
And if I modify the QT at a later date, the change will apply to all
accounts that has the %QInclude('New')%- in it?
--
Thanks in advance
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Re[2]: Filtering questions
Wednesday, September 07, 2005, Roelof Otten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 19:22:44 -0400GMT (8-9-2005, 1:22 +0200, where I live), you wrote: . Z 2. I have a filter for Outgoing message; and I want that message marked Z as UNread. Looking under the Action tab, the only option is to marked it Z Read. That must be a difference between v2 and v3, as I have a 'Mark message as unread' action immediately below 'Mark as read' In v2, Flagging the message is the 2nd option. Z Anyway, is there a way to get TB to mark a filtered Outgoing Z message as UNread? Upgrade to v3? You could try to 'mark as read', maybe it's just toggling the read status, but I don't know, it's been awhile since I used v2. Checking mark as read doesn't work. Thanks for the explanation of the differences in the various types of filters. -- JM Using The Bat! 2.12.04 Under Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Templates
[EMAIL PROTECTED] @ 9/07/2005 8:52:38 PM
Templates mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Now does that mean that even if the QT is checked to share with all
accounts, it doesn't really share unless the macro %QInclude('New')%- is
typed into the other Account's Properties?
The share with other accounts option allows the QT to be used by other
accounts. If that is not checked, they do not have access to it.
QT server a slightly different purpose than account templates. QT can
be used while composing the message manually (by entering the name and
pressing Ctrl + Space) and in a few other locations. The QINCLUDE
macro lets you use QT in account templates and even in other QT.
And if I modify the QT at a later date, the change will apply to all
accounts that has the %QInclude('New')%- in it?
Yes. Every time a message is created, the included macro is re-read,
so any changes will take effect the next time you compose a message.
--
Chris
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Filtering with an exception
I want to set up a filter for outgoing messages for Known -- @ in Recipient -- to a particular folder, EXCEPT for one recipient (messages to that recipient will stay in Sent folder). Is that doable? If yes, how? -- Thanks in advance Using The Bat! 2.12.04 Under Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Newly back to The Bat!, many questions.
I originally bought The Bat! way back in January 2000 because the email program I was using at the time, Agent, wasn't doing a couple of things that I wanted. After a year with The Bat!, I went back to Agent because quite frankly the message navigation and threading are far superior to that in The Bat!. However, not long ago Forte rolled out the latest and greatest version of Agent, and crippled some of the features that I wanted and after using it for a few days I had to export all of my messages and re-import them into the much older version of Agent that worked for me, so I figured I'd give TB! another try. I see that a few of the things that irritated me about The Bat! are fixed, but keyboard navigation is still woefully terrible. Anyhow, I actually come looking for help, since I'm not going to go back to Agent until some major changes happen with it, and I've recently upgraded to the latest TB, and ding-dong it's good enough for now. So my questions are thus: 1) By far the biggest issue I'm having right now is that the headers pane is a fixed size, but I want to display more headers in it. I have a huge screen resolution, and would like to make that panel longer so I can actually display gasp four lines of headers or more without having to scroll with the mouse. The stuff I'm putting up there are the standard things plus the POPfile headers, and the point is to be able to see them at a glance, not to have to scroll every single message to see if they've been categorized properly. 2) Is there a way I can auto-format hanging paragraphs like this? Alt-L allows me to left-justify everything, and when I'm typing if I manually indent the second line then subsequent lines flow as desired, but if I edit the text then I need to manually reflow the paragraph. It's not terribly hard, but TB is so good at reflowing text and quoted text and all that jazz that this seems close enough to work, were there a means to activate it. 3) My domain provider recently started offering POP and SMTP over SSL. I'd love to use it. Unfortunately for me, I need to access it with pop.fancy.org, and the host's certificate says their domain name. The Bat! subsequently refuses to connect. Is there a way I can tell The Bat!, yeah, I know it's the wrong hostname in the cert, but allow it anyway? I tried connecting to the hostname in the cert, but as I guessed previously to trying, it refused me. I have been using SSH and tunnelling over that, but I'd like to get rid of that extra step if possible. 4) I want to use a macro followed immediately by text. E.g. in my reply template, I want to put the cursor at the top of the message in the first column, but I also want to say You wrote: right there. Is there a way to stop macro processing? I had hoped that I could do %CursorYou wrote:, but that just strips the macro entirely, leaving wrote: on the first line. 5) Is there a way to automatically file replies in the same folder that contains the message I'm replying to? In most cases I don't want to do this, but in some I'm starting to feel that it's actually pretty handy. I have filters set up to file certain emails on receive to certain folders, and now I have to duplicate the exact same filter setup in the send filters, and copy doesn't work between receive and send filters! Ugh! (I set up a Gmail account tonight, and that one was easy; just file every sent message into the Inbox. ...although then I realized I actually wanted to BCC everything to myself @gmail.com, so did that via templates, exposing issue #4 to me.) 6) I like threading some folders by references/subject, but then I have to put the subject as the first field on the left. I'd love to have the message status/park/flag fields all the way on the left, as I do in non-threaded views. Is there a way to do this? (In the last 3.5x the view got /really/ screwed up when I tried to do it by pushing fields around in the View Manager.) 7) What is a common folder? I've been using TB again for a bit over a month now, understand (I think) what virtual folders are all about, but just noticed tonight this New Common Folder. There's nothing in the documentation about it, so... I'm curious. 8) When I create folders for IMAP accounts, I want to create those folders on the server. How can I do this? 9) What are the document icons in the status window for? Everything else I can figure out, but the two with the checkmarks (one is an envelope, one looks like a piece of paper) aren't coming to me... In general I have that problem; I don't know what the icons in the message status column of the message list mean, etc., etc., and that stuff doesn't seem to be in the help file. ...at least, not that I've been able to find... 10) Is there any way to export templates? Tonight I went through the painful process of
