Future of TB* mailing lists
Hello All, It is 2020 out there and TB mailing lists seem to be a little outdated. Screenshots being stripped from the messages unless it all fits in 25Kb, famous "Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information" footer attached to all messages... Perhaps it is time for a maintenance? Things that come to mind, in no particular order: * Increase size limits for attachments. * Remove or, at very least, update "current version" footer. * Consider merging TDUDL/TBBETA into one. * Move mailing lists homepage to a separate domain. * Modernise lists website, enable HTTPs. * Ensure lists historical data is available and easily exportable. * Collate available TheBat! documentation / FAQs / Tips. * etc. Thoughts? -- Cheers, A Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Reply all quoting selected text
Hello Thomas, Sunday, May 10, 2020, 11:27:45 AM, you wrote: > Your contect menu is different from mine. What viwer/editor do you > use? I use MicroEd. MicroEd, v9.1.18. No changes made to the menu on my side. -- Regards, A Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup with Errors
Hello David, On Sat, 9 May 2020 19:13:08 +0100 GMT (10-May-20, 1:13 +0700 GMT), David Elliott wrote: > Hi Thomas, > On Sun, 3 May 2020, at 20:24:30 [which was on Sunday at 14:24 where I live] > you wrote: >> [...] >>> When I said previously "I don't have a .TBI of a .EBI file". I >>> should have said "I don't have any .TBI of a .EBI file in any directory" > [...] >>> Directory of E:\Users\Administrator\The Bat\Mail\Elliott\Inbox >> [...] >>> 03/05/2020 12:37 7,232,226 MESSAGES.TBN >> This should be the file. Rather than deleting it, rename it (I would >> rename into message.tbn_old, but that's only my system). This way, you >> can still rename it back if I am wrong. > Different error now. > --- > Maintenance Centre > --- > Stream read error "E:\Users\Administrator\The > Bat\Mail\Elliott\Inbox\MESSAGES.TBB" Data error (cyclic redundancy check) > --- > OK > --- Before you started the Maintenance Center, did you recreate the index file as per my suggestion? Could you access the messages? Now you have an error in the message base. I don't know what the error message means. Is it the same folder? -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! Version 9.1.18.2 (BETA) (64-bit) under Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply all quoting selected text
Hello Andrew, On Sun, 10 May 2020 11:21:38 +0930 GMT (10-May-20, 8:51 +0700 GMT), Andrew Savchenko wrote: > Hello MAU, > Sunday, May 10, 2020, 6:07:47 AM, you wrote: >> Sorry, no attachment. Can you upload the screenshot to >> http://www.canyonero.com/ and send the link? thanks a lot. > Here we go: https://i.imgur.com/YoFRdGV.png Your contect menu is different from mine. What viwer/editor do you use? I use MicroEd. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! Version 9.1.18.2 (BETA) (64-bit) under Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply all quoting selected text
Hello Susanne, On Sat, 9 May 2020 08:27:01 -0700 GMT (09-May-20, 22:27 +0700 GMT), Susanne wrote: > Saturday, May 9, 2020, 1:15:04 AM, MAU wrote: >>> I am using "reply to all using selected text". >> Excuse my ignorance and/or blindness. Where can I find that option? > Highlight the part you want to quote, right click inside the > message, click "message" then "reply to all quoting selected text". I don't have any reply option in the context menu while in the message, highlighted text or not. I have "Reply" in the context menu when right-clicking on the message in the message list. I have "Reply" and "Reply to all" in the drop down menu under Message in the Message Viewer. I cannot find "Reply to all quoting selected text" anywwhwere. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! Version 9.1.18.2 (BETA) (64-bit) under Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Reply all quoting selected text
Hello MAU, Sunday, May 10, 2020, 6:07:47 AM, you wrote: > Sorry, no attachment. Can you upload the screenshot to > http://www.canyonero.com/ and send the link? thanks a lot. Here we go: https://i.imgur.com/YoFRdGV.png -- Regards, A Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply all quoting selected text
Hello Andrew, > Please refer to the screenshot attached. Sorry, no attachment. Can you upload the screenshot to http://www.canyonero.com/ and send the link? thanks a lot. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (Zarzalejo (Madrid)- Spain) Using The Bat! v9.1.18.3 (BETA) Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Backup with Errors
Hi Thomas, On Sun, 3 May 2020, at 20:24:30 [which was on Sunday at 14:24 where I live] you wrote: > [...] >> When I said previously "I don't have a .TBI of a .EBI file". I >> should have said "I don't have any .TBI of a .EBI file in any directory" [...] >> Directory of E:\Users\Administrator\The Bat\Mail\Elliott\Inbox > [...] >> 03/05/2020 12:37 7,232,226 MESSAGES.TBN > This should be the file. Rather than deleting it, rename it (I would > rename into message.tbn_old, but that's only my system). This way, you > can still rename it back if I am wrong. Different error now. --- Maintenance Centre --- Stream read error "E:\Users\Administrator\The Bat\Mail\Elliott\Inbox\MESSAGES.TBB" Data error (cyclic redundancy check) --- OK --- -- Cheers David mailto:da...@elliott.uk.com Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply all quoting selected text
On 09 May 2020 at 17:58 Jack S. LaRosa wrote and made these points ... MP>> The constraint is message size. I massaged this image, shrunk it and MP>> lowered jpg quality to 50% to make it small enough to be attachable on MP>> this list. JSL> Hi Marck, the following is an email you sent me several years ago. Still valid? ... JSL> Attachments (inc screen-shots) are perfectly acceptable (although HTML JSL> messages are frowned upon because they invariably double the size of ... JSL> There are limits to the size of permitted attachments. 25k on TBUDL JSL> and 75k on TBBETA. If your screen-shot is small enough, attach it by ... These things are still true. I have checked the settings on the TBUDL server and can't see that attachments are prohibited in any way other than the 25kb message size restriction. I still don't know why my 14kb image didn't make it through intact. Perhaps something to do with my PGP sig. I know that HTML mails with embedded images and image attachments work perfectly on the TBBETA list. Just not here in TBUDL, it seems.. -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v9.1.18.3 (BETA) on Windows 10.0.18362 pgpf_UkyUD487.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply all quoting selected text
On 09 May 2020 at 18:04 Jack S. LaRosa wrote and made these points ... MP>> All is working as it should. ` MP>> I don't know what you are expecting. MP>> There's more information here: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/tbot/info JSL> So, having successfully subscribed (I think) I can expect emails from other TBOT JSL> list members to start appearing automatically as they do with TBUDL? Yes, with just one caveat. There is very little traffic! The last message was in January 2019. -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v9.1.18.3 (BETA) on Windows 10.0.18362 pgpq9LxlFKIaU.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply all quoting selected text
Hello Marck, On Saturday, May 9, 2020 you wrote: MP> On 09 May 2020 at 16:59 Jack S. LaRosa wrote and made these points MP> ... JSL>> http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html has a button to subscribe to JSL>> the TBOT discussion list however, all I can see to do is to subscribe to Yahoo. JSL>> Even after subscribing to Yahoo I still don't see how to access TBOT> MP> TBOT a YahooGroup. You subscribe to the group as a mailing list, like MP> TBUDL. Once subscribed, you get emails sent to the list and are able MP> to write to the other members there. MP> All is working as it should. MP> I don't know what you are expecting. MP> There's more information here: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/tbot/info So, having successfully subscribed (I think) I can expect emails from other TBOT list members to start appearing automatically as they do with TBUDL? -- Regards, Jack Central Alabama USA The Bat! E-Mail Client by Ritlabs version 6.0.12 Windows 10 Home Build 9200 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply all quoting selected text
Hello Marck, On Saturday, May 9, 2020 you wrote: MP> On 09 May 2020 at 15:34 Jack S. LaRosa wrote and made these points MP> ... AS>>> Please refer to the screenshot attached. JSL>> TB! won't allow screenshots or any photo for that matter. I've always assumed it JSL>> was for security reasons but I don't know for sure. I think some people have JSL>> used links to Dropbox before but that's risky as well. MP> Here's a screen shot. Let's see if it works. MP> The constraint is message size. I massaged this image, shrunk it and MP> lowered jpg quality to 50% to make it small enough to be attachable on MP> this list. Hi Marck, the following is an email you sent me several years ago. Still valid? -- Begin copied message --- Dear Jack, @18-Nov-2017, 9:14 -0600 (19-Nov 05:19 here) Jack S. LaRosa [JSL] in mid:1683949350.20171118231...@charter.net said to MFPA: LG I'm not sure we can add attachments, but maybe it would be okay ... It would. >>> I've uploaded pics to Dropbox and sent people links to the pics >>> before. Not sure if even that is acceptable. It is. M>> I have never noticed anybody getting "trouted" when they posted links M>> to screenshots. So it has been accepted, which I guess means it is M>> acceptable. JSL> Thanks M. I'll see what happens. Here's the lore: Attachments (inc screen-shots) are perfectly acceptable (although HTML messages are frowned upon because they invariably double the size of any simple message and our transmission facilities are provided FOC by a generous host, on whose generosity I /know/ none of us would wish to over-impose). ...HOWEVER... There are limits to the size of permitted attachments. 25k on TBUDL and 75k on TBBETA. If your screen-shot is small enough, attach it by all means. You can even chance it. The worst that can happen is an automated rejection from the Mailman server. I hope that clarifies things. -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v8.0.10.1 (BETA) on Windows 10.0.16299 ' -- End copied message - -- Regards, Jack Central Alabama USA The Bat! E-Mail Client by Ritlabs version 6.0.12 Windows 10 Home Build 9200 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply all quoting selected text
On 09 May 2020 at 16:59 Jack S. LaRosa wrote and made these points ... JSL> http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html has a button to subscribe to JSL> the TBOT discussion list however, all I can see to do is to subscribe to Yahoo. JSL> Even after subscribing to Yahoo I still don't see how to access TBOT> TBOT a YahooGroup. You subscribe to the group as a mailing list, like TBUDL. Once subscribed, you get emails sent to the list and are able to write to the other members there. All is working as it should. I don't know what you are expecting. There's more information here: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/tbot/info -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v9.1.18.3 (BETA) on Windows 10.0.18362 pgpylFKcQIOFo.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply all quoting selected text
Hello Jack, On Saturday, May 9, 2020 you wrote: JSL> Hello Marck, JSL> On Saturday, May 9, 2020 you wrote: MP>> On 09 May 2020 at 15:34 Jack S. LaRosa wrote and made these points MP>> ... AS Please refer to the screenshot attached. JSL>>> TB! won't allow screenshots or any photo for that matter. I've always assumed it JSL>>> was for security reasons but I don't know for sure. I think some people have JSL>>> used links to Dropbox before but that's risky as well. MP>> Here's a screen shot. Let's see if it works. MP>> The constraint is message size. I massaged this image, shrunk it and MP>> lowered jpg quality to 50% to make it small enough to be attachable on MP>> this list. JSL> No screenshot appeared anywhere. But while I've got your attention, your JSL> previous email providing the following link: JSL> http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html has a button to subscribe to JSL> the TBOT discussion list however, all I can see to do is to subscribe to Yahoo. JSL> Even after subscribing to Yahoo I still don't see how to access TBOT> My apologies for the previous email regarding access to TBOT. I just saw that an email from "tbot Moderator" explains all. Again, my apologies. -- Regards, Jack Central Alabama USA The Bat! E-Mail Client by Ritlabs version 6.0.12 Windows 10 Home Build 9200 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Reply all quoting selected text
5/9/2020 12:00 PM Hi Marck, On 5/9/2020 Marck Pearlstone wrote: JSL>> TB! won't allow screenshots or any photo for that matter. I've always assumed it JSL>> was for security reasons but I don't know for sure. I think some people have JSL>> used links to Dropbox before but that's risky as well. MP> Here's a screen shot. Let's see if it works. MP> The constraint is message size. I massaged this image, shrunk it and MP> lowered jpg quality to 50% to make it small enough to be attachable on MP> this list. No image received. - -- Paul The Bat! v.9.1.18.3 (BETA) on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 6.1.7600 No IMAP No OTFE Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply all quoting selected text
Hello Marck, On Saturday, May 9, 2020 you wrote: MP> On 09 May 2020 at 15:34 Jack S. LaRosa wrote and made these points MP> ... AS>>> Please refer to the screenshot attached. JSL>> TB! won't allow screenshots or any photo for that matter. I've always assumed it JSL>> was for security reasons but I don't know for sure. I think some people have JSL>> used links to Dropbox before but that's risky as well. MP> Here's a screen shot. Let's see if it works. MP> The constraint is message size. I massaged this image, shrunk it and MP> lowered jpg quality to 50% to make it small enough to be attachable on MP> this list. No screenshot appeared anywhere. But while I've got your attention, your previous email providing the following link: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html has a button to subscribe to the TBOT discussion list however, all I can see to do is to subscribe to Yahoo. Even after subscribing to Yahoo I still don't see how to access TBOT> -- Regards, Jack Central Alabama USA The Bat! E-Mail Client by Ritlabs version 6.0.12 Windows 10 Home Build 9200 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply all quoting selected text
On 09 May 2020 at 15:34 Jack S. LaRosa wrote and made these points ... AS>> Please refer to the screenshot attached. JSL> TB! won't allow screenshots or any photo for that matter. I've always assumed it JSL> was for security reasons but I don't know for sure. I think some people have JSL> used links to Dropbox before but that's risky as well. Here's a screen shot. Let's see if it works. The constraint is message size. I massaged this image, shrunk it and lowered jpg quality to 50% to make it small enough to be attachable on this list. -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v9.1.18.3 (BETA) on Windows 10.0.18362 pgptvRSzjUQYO.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply all quoting selected text
Hello, Saturday, May 9, 2020, 1:15:04 AM, MAU wrote: >> I am using "reply to all using selected text". > Excuse my ignorance and/or blindness. Where can I find that option? Highlight the part you want to quote, right click inside the message, click "message" then "reply to all quoting selected text". -- Best regards, Susannemailto:sisk...@gmail.com Using The Bat! 9.1.18 OS: Windows 10.0 Build 18363 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply all quoting selected text
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Re: Reply all quoting selected text
Hello Andrew, On Saturday, May 9, 2020 you wrote: AS> Hello Miguel, AS> Saturday, May 9, 2020, 5:45:04 PM, you wrote: >> Excuse my ignorance and/or blindness. Where can I find that option? AS> Please refer to the screenshot attached. TB! won't allow screenshots or any photo for that matter. I've always assumed it was for security reasons but I don't know for sure. I think some people have used links to Dropbox before but that's risky as well. I have no solution for you, sorry. -- Regards, Jack Central Alabama USA The Bat! E-Mail Client by Ritlabs version 6.0.12 Windows 10 Home Build 9200 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Reply all quoting selected text
Hello Miguel, Saturday, May 9, 2020, 5:45:04 PM, you wrote: > Excuse my ignorance and/or blindness. Where can I find that option? Please refer to the screenshot attached. -- Regards, A Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply all quoting selected text
Hello Susanne, > I am using "reply to all using selected text". Excuse my ignorance and/or blindness. Where can I find that option? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (Zarzalejo (Madrid)- Spain) Using The Bat! v9.1.18.3 (BETA) Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
