Re: Dupes - From Somewhere
I have been having some dupes show up also for some reason, although not something that has just surfaced. Good to know I'm not the only one, although obviously none too good that this is happening at all, I guess The messages have had the same MID, are current (wrote/dated) and 'kill dupes' acknowledges and handles the messages as expected.. which I would say rules out some sort of display or index problem. Same here Transport options are to retrieve and delete from server so I anticipate it's not something related to re-downloading the message, shouldn't be anyhow.. Just have retrieve and leave on the server but remove from server when deleted from trash, which is ideal because a number of messages I retrieve I don't need to keep and just clutter up my mail server but some are very important that this option gives me a lot of control. In addition I look after 7 other mailboxes for colleagues which quite often have very important mail in i.e. cannot be deleted off the server which makes this whole issue a little more awkward as I could possibly risk permanently deleting a message that I need to keep I've fairly low volume of email so it's been more or less another quirk that I have simply integrated into my TB! usage procedures. I have a reasonably average (I think) usage (1000 or so messages per mailbox). I upgraded to V 2.01.3 from 2.00.6 last Thursday and this problem surfaced on Friday so I assume it's reasonable to deduce that the problem may be related to this new version. Anyone else seen this? Cheers Steve Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP - Checking Signature
ON Sunday, October 26, 2003, 1:50:59 PM, you wrote: VE However, I want say the following. If you (and all list's members) VE trust to this letter I may say that I'm a *real* Vasiliy Efimenko from VE Kyiv (Ukraine) who typing this words! VE My key fingerprint are: VE 03AE 5805 08CA E77C 4ADF E071 3D28 2597 DBF6 0F4A VE So, don't make from me a bandit and hooligan, I'm a good man :) (I VE hope). Vasiliy, I am not to worried that you are a bandit. Further more I use my keys for this account more as training keys to learn about TB! and PGP. I was assuming most people on this list are/were. Therefore thank you for signing my key. It allowed me to check that it works. It actually shows your name as the signee. So, just for good measure here is my fingerprint: DABE 4AE5 4DB5 4193 4C97 BFCD 57D5 39FA 6B39 8F19 -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Bomb - A very long shot, usually a drive. When we try to hit a bomb the result is usually what youd expect from a bomb a disaster! Using The Bat! v2.01.3 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: PGP - Checking Signature
Hello Melissa, On 26 October 2003, at 11:28:12 -0800 you wrote: MR Don't worry Vasiliy, I believe you. Thank you for trusting! ;) MR I just haven't signed your key yet. :-) OK, no problems. Only as you wish. -- Best regards, Vasiliymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using: * The Bat! 2.01.7 * Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 * PGP 8.0.3 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Some serious security holes in 'The Bat!'
Hello SyP, On 26 October 2003, at 20:47:23 +0100 you wrote: S I'd like if someone dissected these claims... S http://lists.netsys.com/pipermail/full-disclosure/2003-October/012716.html It is known that The Bat! are not much securely and its passwords and other confidential information may be easily hacked by some utilities such as PasswordRecovery (I don't remember exact utility name). But it is exists way of solution of this problem is store TB! mail and accompanying configuration files at the encrypted disk (e.g. PGPdisk, BestCrypt). -- Best regards, Vasiliymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using: * The Bat! 2.01.7 * Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 * PGP 8.0.3 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! 2
Douglas- Sunday, October 26, 2003, 3:09:25 PM, you wrote: 1.63 allows for the use of plugins, which you're not using anyway in 1.62. That's about it, except for some SmartBat / scheduling features. If missing out on these doesn't bother you, then there's no reason to go hunt down one of the betas. The folder and file formats are the same and you shouldn't have any trouble switching back and forth. I was actually using beta 9 for a bit, but then I had to rebuild this computer a couple of days ago and lost the link. I'll have to put it back and get back to SP4 at the same time. -- -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP - Checking Signature
ON Sunday, October 26, 2003, 9:12:04 PM, you wrote: P Perhaps this better addressed on my end? I'm not sure how character P translations work but maybe I'm supposed to have TB! show it some P particular way instead of you sending it a particular way? Hi Pixie, It has all started with me installing a Dutch keyboard :( So I guess I am to blame. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Gimme: An agreement between two losers who can't putt. Using The Bat! v2.01.3 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE:Some serious security holes in 'The Bat!'
Hello Vasiliy, Monday, October 27, 2003, 9:50:35 AM, you wrote: On 26 October 2003, at 20:47:23 +0100 you wrote: S I'd like if someone dissected these claims... S http://lists.netsys.com/pipermail/full-disclosure/2003-October/012716.html It is known that The Bat! are not much securely and its passwords and other confidential information may be easily hacked by some utilities such as PasswordRecovery (I don't remember exact utility name). But it is exists way of solution of this problem is store TB! mail and accompanying configuration files at the encrypted disk (e.g. PGPdisk, BestCrypt). isn't SecureBat! the Paranoia's choice of email program? -- Regards, Jurgen UD Team: http://www.grid.org/services/teams/team.htm?id=E3ECFC2E-5950-4AF5-A604-140301A81367 Using The Bat! v2.01.7 http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/index.html PGP key available on request: send mail with subject 'PGP key request' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: PGP - Checking Signature
Hello Gerard, On 27 October 2003, at 08:57:01 +0100 you wrote: G Therefore thank you for signing my key. Not it all. It is pleasantly me to help someone. And thank you too for signing my key! I updated my local keyring by your sign. G So, just for good measure here is my fingerprint: G DABE 4AE5 4DB5 4193 4C97 BFCD 57D5 39FA 6B39 8F19 Yes, it's all correct! :) -- Best regards, Vasiliymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using: * The Bat! 2.01.7 * Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 * PGP 8.0.3 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Some serious security holes in 'The Bat!'
On Sunday, October 26, 2003, Marck D Pearlstone wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Of course, these are not bugs. They are deliberate design decisions. Anyone running in so insecure an environment to make this so called vulnerability an issue should consider a more expensive solution - like SB or TB Pro. Marck, While I agree in general with your response to the issue, the fact remains that third party access to hard drives is conceivable in any number of innocent situations, most commonly repair scenarios. A minimal change in the configuration--encrypting account passwords--would go a long way toward preserving the current security model of limited account access. -- JN Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
%ATTACHFILE with variable filepath
Hello all, I need help because I'm running around in circles and running out of time. I need to do mail out by e-mail to all entries in an AB Group. I have set up a group template that works fine except for the %ATTACHFILE macro (which is the first time I use it, BTW). To each e-mail I need to attach a file with name X_User.pdf (without the quotes) where the X is variable and unique to each addressee. This variable XX is in the personal ZIP code field of each AB entry, and I use the %AbToZIP macro to get it (and works). All actual files are in my d:\userfiles\ directory. However, I can't get to properly concatenate and compose the filepath for %ATTACHFILE by using the fixed directory, the variable part of the file name from %AbToZIP and the _User.pdf part. Any help will be greatly appreciated. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.01.3 Winamp OFF: Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: My cable is floopy tonight-now PGP verified?
Hello Paul, On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:27:31 -0500 GMT (27/10/2003, 00:27 +0700 GMT), Paul Cartwright wrote: below this window is the preview window that has FROM:, To: and subject. WAY off to the right is an icon, and when I put my cursor over it it says Verify OpenPGP Signature. It has a questionmark and a paperclip icon. Does the questionmark mean it doesn't recognize your signature? TF No, it means you have to verify the signature to check whether it is TF valid. what, so what does the check mark mean in the envelope? to make SURE it hasn't been tampered with I need to hit the question mark and test it?? No, it just means the message has been signed. In order to check whether it has been tampered with, you will have to check the signature every time you open the message. right, sure, I'll do that every time I open the message I DON'T THINK SOG I'll settle for the envelope check mark.. Me neither. If I want to check whether the signature is valid (i.e. the message hasn't been tampered with) I do it when I first open it, but not each time. My choice. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. At the evening service tonight, the sermon topic will be What is Hell? Come early and listen to the choir practice. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.01.7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Purchased the Bat!
Hello Melissa, On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:30:40 -0800 GMT (27/10/2003, 00:30 +0700 GMT), Melissa Reese wrote: I would not recommend this product to my parents or other non-geeks, On the other hand...I did get my mother - who is impressively non-computer literate - to use TB!. I did this *because* of her lack of geekiness, as she was constantly infecting her machine with viruses and worms with the help of OE! :-) My mother, when she was fed up with AOL/Germany's customer service, wanted another email address. But she didn't want OL/OE to pop-check it, because she didn't want to be vulnerable to viruses. So TB is what she uses for that account; she uses no geeky features, no special templates, just out-of-the-box. (She is also back to AOL for some reason and therefore now has two email addresses. But she uses TB for the other one without difficulties.) Another example is my prof, who changed from Eudora Pro to TB (and paid for it) because there was one single feature missing in Eudora, and he hasn't looked back since. And he is also a non-geek: when I tried to explain filters and folders to him, he just said he won't need that. This is what fascinates me about TB: it appeals to geeks and non-geeks alike. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. I tested this program in the presence of a certified child labourer, and she went crazy over it. - Wanda Sloan in a software review for an icon-generating program. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.01.7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: My cable is floopy tonight-now PGP verified?
Hi Thomas, on Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:02:44 +0700GMT (27.10.03, 17:02 +0100GMT here), you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : TF In order to check whether it has been tampered with, you will have TF to check the signature every time you open the message. right, sure, I'll do that every time I open the message I DON'T THINK SOG I'll settle for the envelope check mark.. TF Me neither. If I want to check whether the signature is valid (i.e. TF the message hasn't been tampered with) I do it when I first open it, TF but not each time. My choice. Sure. You can know that nothing has been changed after your first checking. The Bat! can't, so she will display the unknown (or un-decrypted) icon every time a message is re-opened... -- Cheers Peter Famous last words - Don't worry, I can handle it. Winamp currently playing: Incubus - Are You In (Radiostorm.com: ALTERNATIVE) pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: %ATTACHFILE with variable filepath
Hallo MAU, On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:48:17 +0100GMT (27-10-03, 16:48 +0200, where I live), you wrote: M However, I can't get to properly concatenate and compose the filepath M for %ATTACHFILE by using the fixed directory, the variable part of the M file name from %AbToZIP and the _User.pdf part. I did a little testing and this mavro behaved like you intended, be it that it uses the first name instead of the Zip code: %AttachFile=D:\Mijn documenten\%ABToFirstName%-_User.txt Note that it uses a %- macro immediately after the %ABToFirstName macro, that's not because that's required by this macro, but otherwise TB doesn't know where the macro-name stops and continues till the dot. And since %ABToFirstName_User isn't a valid macro, TB doesn't insert any text at all. I suppose that the same goes for %ABToZip_User. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: %ATTACHFILE with variable filepath
Hello Roelof, Note that it uses a %- macro immediately after the %ABToFirstName macro, that's not because that's required by this macro, but otherwise TB doesn't know where the macro-name stops and continues till the dot. That _was_ the problem. I now tried including the %- and it does work. I owe you a beer ;-) Anyway, just prior to reading your message, I had found an alternative solution using variables (I had forgot about v2 variables). So, what I did for todays mailout was: %_Tx1(D:\userfiles\) %_Tx2(_User.pdf) %ATTACHFILE=%:Tx1%AbToZIP%_Tx2 -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.01.3 Winamp OFF: Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Archiving (was too many mails)
Hi tbudl, I want to archive my mail using the suggestion of purge my mail to a folder called Archive. However, when i want to change the behaviour of the folder (account properties deletion alternative deletion) i get an error when i browse to my folder i get an error saying i must use a valid name for it. (name was \\\Archive). Any suggestions wat is wrong? -- Kind Regards, Gerrit mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Some serious security holes in 'The Bat!'
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Joseph, On 27 October 2003, 09:22 -0600 ( 15:22 local time) Joseph N. [JN] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, these are not bugs. They are deliberate design decisions. Anyone running in so insecure an environment to make this so called vulnerability an issue should consider a more expensive solution - like SB or TB Pro. JN While I agree in general with your response to the issue, the fact JN remains that third party access to hard drives is conceivable in any JN number of innocent situations, most commonly repair scenarios. A JN minimal change in the configuration--encrypting account JN passwords--would go a long way toward preserving the current security JN model of limited account access. I have to go with Marck on this one. The same argument can be applied to just about any application. If someone's that concerned about security they make sure their applications operate in a secure environment. Perhaps plain text editors should encrypt data? Ludicrous! And why encrypt plain text messages to your hard disk when you send them over the Internet without encryption? E-mail (SMTP/POP) is inherently insecure. As for passwords, doesn't the same apply since most POP servers use plain text authentication? There's some merit in having the mail folder under Documents and Settings (XP) and I guess this could be a future install option. Albeit there's nothing stopping you from doing this now. - -- As ever, Martin Webster The Bat! 2.01.7 w/ BayesIt! 0.4gm (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQA/AwUBP51fj1v+PP8p0/caEQJAYQCfdzzT+Jgon1H+ccPU3BExZ0lR4mIAn33T I/90/EZvWFzh6annZcMn3EDD =eJxi -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Some serious security holes in 'The Bat!'
Hi Martin, On Monday, October 27, 2003, at 10:10:17 AM PST, you wrote: There's some merit in having the mail folder under Documents and Settings (XP) and I guess this could be a future install option. Albeit there's nothing stopping you from doing this now. I keep my TB! mail folder in an encrypted disk volume (PGPdisk) in a non-standard location, and when it's not in use (unmounted), it's not easily found (and of course, it remains encrypted). -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Archiving (was too many mails)
Hi Pixie, On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, at 13:59:23 [GMT -0500] (which was 19:59 where I live) you wrote: P Try tweaking the archive folder properties some, retrying the P alternative delete setup, that helped here FWIW. That works. Thank you. -- Best regards, Gerritmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Archiving (was too many mails)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Gerrit, On 27 October 2003, 18:57 +0100 ( 17:57 local time) Gerrit Kruijer [GK] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GK I want to archive my mail using the suggestion of purge my mail to a GK folder called Archive. However, when i want to change the behaviour of GK the folder (account properties deletion alternative deletion) i get an GK error when i browse to my folder i get an error saying i must use a GK valid name for it. (name was \\\Archive). GK Any suggestions wat is wrong? Did you create the folder in the account tree first? For example, D:\Mail Archive\Mailing lists\TBUDL corresponds to Archive\Mailing lists\TBUDL in TB! - -- As ever, Martin Webster The Bat! 2.01.7 w/ BayesIt! 0.4gm (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQA/AwUBP51u+Fv+PP8p0/caEQJX2gCglyLGEvQBJdqiPniQusE9GnzZyCkAn2+U KWSEht6o3YsG3QRjL645tud5 =QOJl -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Some serious security holes in 'The Bat!'
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello SyP, On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 20:47:23 +0100 your time, you said: S I'd like if someone dissected these claims... Personally I've _never_ installed TB! to the Program Files directory or kept my message base in the same place as the TB! installation. Many common exploits rely on default installations so it's just a precautionary measure. Of course it's wise to relocate your message base if you have concerns about security, or even for convenience. And if you have big concerns about security I would have thought you'd be using Secure Bat and or employing other measures as well. Anyhow, if you are worried about your passwords being compromised, or you just like to know that your email is protected at all times, then you can store your mailbase on any secure disk. I use PGP Disk under W2K Pro and store, amongst other things, TB!'s message base on an encrypted volume. Before that my email base was stored together with my PGP Keys on a removable CF card connected via a USB CF reader - now the CF card holds only my keys and certs. These are both very inexpensive and simple ways to secure your mail should you need to. I do think the claims are legitimate, but I don't really think they're that important ;-) - -- Slán, Simon @ i~n+f~o+w~i+z~a+r~d+.~c+o~.+u~k * PGP Key: http://pgp.infowizard.co.uk/ Faffing about with TB! v1.62r on W2K SP4 #3036. Was Dry Leo Squirm ¶ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Protect your Privacy with PGP. Comment: KeyID: 0xDF8062C1 iQA/AwUBP51vm5JmyHDfgGLBEQJK1ACgqnMK3IHxNEu/wtbOC1IdWQkw6woAn2Fo Z9PIs8GEBsl01HMta6AOnxQj =UHmz -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
multiple addresses for one address book entry
Hello List, how do I enter multiple addresses for one address book entry? If I separate the entries with semicolons, the address line will be defective after auto-completion , same with commas. Separating mail addresses with spaces concatenates them after auto-completion. Using a CR after each address will only let the top-most address appear. Roman, confused -- Roman Katzer, Aachen, Germany Youth is when you blame all your troubles on your parents; maturity is when you learn that everything is the fault of the younger generation. Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Some serious security holes in 'The Bat!'
Hello Jurgen, On 27 October 2003, at 10:25:40 +0100 you wrote: JH isn't SecureBat! the Paranoia's choice of email program? I'm not sure that I correct understand what you means but try to ask on this. I think that some people has their some reasons to prevents some information from strange eyes. And choosing of SB! as email program is not a paranoia. As about me. I don't use encrypted disk(s) for storage TB!'s mails and others information because it is not necessary now and I know that nobody don't able to access into my computer (at home). But I believe that at office are very useful utilities for restricting of access to computer. -- Best regards, Vasiliymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using: * The Bat! 2.01.7 * Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 * PGP 8.0.3 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: My cable is floopy tonight-now PGP verified?
On Monday, October 27, 2003, 11:02 AM, you wrote: what, so what does the check mark mean in the envelope? to make SURE it hasn't been tampered with I need to hit the question mark and test it?? TF No, it just means the message has been signed. In order to check TF whether it has been tampered with, you will have to check the TF signature every time you open the message. OOOooh, so I at least need to check it the first time I open it. It didn't register with me that to verify it at least ONCE I need to click on the question mark. Have you EVER had a signed message that was NOT verified??? -- Paul Using The Bat! v2.01.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Archiving (was too many mails)
Hi Martin, On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, at 19:16:02 [GMT +] (which was 20:16 where I live) you wrote: MW Did you create the folder in the account tree first? For example, MW D:\Mail Archive\Mailing lists\TBUDL corresponds to Archive\Mailing MW lists\TBUDL in TB! No, i didn't. I made a new common folder Archive and i would like to store messages in there when i delete or purge them. I get the mistakes when i try to change the properties-deletion. I think i can't do that, can i? My mailinglists are all common folders with no mistakes when i changed the deletion options. -- Best regards, Gerritmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: multiple addresses for one address book entry
Hi Roman, @27-Oct-2003, 20:18 +0100 (19:18 UK time) Roman Katzer [RK] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: RK how do I enter multiple addresses for one address book entry? Please explain how you intend to use these multiple addresses. What you want affects the answer. Alternate addresses for a single address book entry should be separated on a line of their own in the email address box. To make all messages sent to that individual go to all addresses, see the Automatically add secondary addresses to the BCC field option on the Other tab of the address book entry edit window. If you want an entry for a group of people then you should be making a Group and adding an entry in the group for each address. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.01.12 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE:Some serious security holes in 'The Bat!'
Privet Vasiliy, Monday, October 27, 2003, 8:09:14 PM, you wrote: I'm not sure that I correct understand what you means but try to ask on this. I think that some people has their some reasons to prevents some information from strange eyes. And choosing of SB! as email program is not a paranoia. As about me. I don't use encrypted disk(s) for storage TB!'s mails and others information because it is not necessary now and I know that nobody don't able to access into my computer (at home). But I believe that at office are very useful utilities for restricting of access to computer. that's exactly what I meant. I just tried to say it in a mildly ironic way, that's all. If I'd have sound reasons to worry, then I just thought SB would be the right thing. -- Regards, Jurgen Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines. Using The Bat! v2.01.7 http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/index.html PGP key available on request: send mail with subject 'PGP key request' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Some serious security holes in 'The Bat!'
On Monday, October 27, 2003, Martin Webster wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: MW Perhaps plain text editors should encrypt data? Ludicrous! And why MW encrypt plain text messages to your hard disk when you send them MW over the Internet without encryption? E-mail (SMTP/POP) is MW inherently insecure. Ummm, no one is talking about encrypting the messages, Martin. That's what SecureBat, disk encryption, or encrypted messages are for. We're talking only about passwords, which pertain not only to existing content but also to one's identity. They are two separate issues. A misused password can wreak boundless havoc for years after the incident. MW As for passwords, doesn't the same apply since most POP servers use plain text MW authentication? No, it doesn't. Security is not a binary choice; there are degrees of need and degrees of security. The possibility of someone snatching a password from regular Internet usage is real, but the probability is low. In any event, (a) most POP servers nowadays probably provide for MD5 authentication, and (b) the user can choose a provider that does provide the required level of authentication. Again, it's a matter of degrees and choice. The problem with an unencrypted password is that it pretty much vitiates any other choices that have been made. MW There's some merit in having the mail folder under Documents and MW Settings (XP) and I guess this could be a future install option. Albeit MW there's nothing stopping you from doing this now. I did it a long time ago. -- JN Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Archiving (was too many mails)
Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=-=-==-==-=--===-==----==---=; protocol=application/pgp-signature; micalg=pgp-sha1 ---=-==-==-=--===-==----==---= Hello Gerrit, On Monday, October 27, 2003, 6:57:03 PM, you wrote: Hi tbudl, I want to archive my mail using the suggestion of purge my mail to a folder called Archive. However, when i want to change the behaviour of the folder (account properties deletion alternative deletion) i get an error when i browse to my folder i get an error saying i must use a valid name for it. (name was \\\Archive). Any suggestions wat is wrong? I've on my account News the folder TBUDL. I've created a common folder called archive. Than one folder below that called TBUDL. Then I go to the TBUDL folder in my account News and I set the deletion to alternative and move to folder \\\Archief\TBUDL. Select compress automatically and on the first tab hold messages for 40 days. This works without an error. I can change the \\\Archief\TBUDL to an other folder (Which I create first) without error. I've changed the names to \\\Archive\TBUDL (had to select the folder again on the deletion page since it kept the \\\Archief name) But this works also without error. Did you first create the common folder? -- Cheers, Edgar Communicating with TB! v2.01.3, Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 The wise man learns more from his enemies than a fool does from his friends. - Chinese Proverb ---=-==-==-=--===-==----==---= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -BEGIN PGP MESSAGE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.3 iQA/AwUBP52KzfuJkUcPaKEsEQI8xACggoRNfjk0M2lvvAZ88wbMW9ImmB8AoL3B iJx5LsmHj464L/Ls3yfQFQMI =VUYl -END PGP MESSAGE- ---=-==-==-=--===-==----==---=-- Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Some serious security holes in 'The Bat!'
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Joseph, On 27 October 2003, 14:45 -0600 ( 20:45 local time) Joseph N. [JN] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MW Perhaps plain text editors should encrypt data? Ludicrous! And why MW encrypt plain text messages to your hard disk when you send them MW over the Internet without encryption? E-mail (SMTP/POP) is MW inherently insecure. JN Ummm, no one is talking about encrypting the messages, Martin. That's JN what SecureBat, disk encryption, or encrypted messages are for. I know that! I think you may have misunderstood me. JN We're talking only about passwords, which pertain not only to JN existing content but also to one's identity. No, you were talking about passwords. The original text by Gautam starts off by saying messages are stored in plain text. Marck was responding to the original post and made the point that general purpose applications are not designed to be as secure as is set out in the referenced text. JN They are two separate issues. A misused password can wreak boundless JN havoc for years after the incident. You use one password for everything? And continue to use it after the possibility of it being compromised? Surely you would change your password(s) before handing your PC to a stranger? And if you can't beforehand, afterwards? Certainly, if you're that concerned about password security you shouldn't save it in the first place; it's an option after all. :-) MW As for passwords, doesn't the same apply since most POP servers use plain text MW authentication? JN No, it doesn't. Security is not a binary choice; there are degrees of JN need and degrees of security. The possibility of someone snatching a JN password from regular Internet usage is real, but the probability is JN low. In any event, (a) most POP servers nowadays probably provide for JN MD5 authentication, and (b) the user can choose a provider that does JN provide the required level of authentication. Again, it's a matter of JN degrees and choice. The problem with an unencrypted password is that JN it pretty much vitiates any other choices that have been made. Still more probable than a complete stranger sitting in front of my PC and reeking havoc with his hex editor. (assuming he can log on and access my folders) I think someone would notice that! :-) MW There's some merit in having the mail folder under Documents and MW Settings (XP) and I guess this could be a future install option. Albeit MW there's nothing stopping you from doing this now. JN I did it a long time ago. It seemed like the most logical thing to do when the option presented itself. - -- As ever, Martin Webster The Bat! 2.01.7 | BayesIt! 0.4gm (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQA/AwUBP52Sslv+PP8p0/caEQIg4gCeNC7rnyJjfMxMRI0AzfLjiEY3HiYAn0zS Qf1bRgqBLUcWh3UX/0Xl7I8Z =MLrM -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Archiving (was too many mails)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Gerrit, On 27 October 2003, 21:07 +0100 ( 20:07 local time) Gerrit Kruijer [GK] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MW Did you create the folder in the account tree first? For example, MW D:\Mail Archive\Mailing lists\TBUDL corresponds to Archive\Mailing MW lists\TBUDL in TB! GK No, i didn't. I made a new common folder Archive and i would like to GK store messages in there when i delete or purge them. I get the GK mistakes when i try to change the properties-deletion. GK I think i can't do that, can i? GK My mailinglists are all common folders with no mistakes when i changed GK the deletion options. That's what I mean when I refer to the account tree. I use common folders too. To continue the example, I keep messages in my TBUDL folder for 90 days before they are moved to the corresponding archive folder. To do this check the following in the Account Properties - General tab: - - Keep messages in the base for (days) e.g. 90 - - Remove old messages And on the Deletion tab: - - Use folder-specific deletion settings - - Move to the specified folder (under Alternative deletion) e.g. Archive\Mailing lists\TBUDL - - Use alternative deletion for purging this folder With these settings old messages are automatically archived when you exit the program or use Shift+Delete. - -- As ever, Martin Webster The Bat! 2.01.7 | BayesIt! 0.4gm (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQA/AwUBP52WLlv+PP8p0/caEQJvnACg5nDMGRpABP3tFM92DJWSsyoAnr4AoMbY OFevUanKx2O18Dnl34C5hJVo =Rfp6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP - Checking Signature
ON Monday, October 27, 2003, 6:25:40 PM, you wrote: P ..nothing earth shattering since it's quite obvious what the box P represents. P It looks like maybe it can be addressed by the XLAT tables. P I just had noticed an increase in the boxes and finally P wanted to ask about it. Hi Pixie, With the help of another list member, we found that the choice of character set was to blame. I have since changed my default character set to ISO-8859-1 and that solved all the problems. I can use the apostrophe ' and also the ones in the TB! dictionary like ´ and ` and al will be fine. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= He realized now why pros were all grave, silent men who seemed to, struggle manfully against some secret sorrow. It was because they were too darned good. Golf had no surprises for them, no gallant spirit of adventure. ==P.G Wodehouse - THE MAGIC PLUS FOURS == Using The Bat! v2.01.3 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
any IMAP users here ??
Hello all, it was always said that IMAP support in v.1 was really a kind of POP3-solution and not the 'real thing' where your mail stays on the server... so i was very glad that v.2 promised better IMAP support. After some problems i now finally can connect (manually, automatically does not work ?) with our IMAP server and read my mail. But i noticed that for messages with attachments it took a long time to load ?! So i looked in the TB directory for the server and noticed a .tbb (.tbi ?) file that is already over 40 Mb after an hour of use !! I checked with an editor and all mail content including attachments is stored locally on my PC ... is that the way IMAP is supposed to work ? In comparison, the folder in Mozilla is only 250 Kb and i've been using that for months ! Attachments are shown but only retrieved when i open them. All folders are set up as Don't synchronize so i wonder why everthing is downloaded to my PC ... -- Rob Using The Bat! v2.01.3 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 ~ Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: multiple addresses for one address book entry
Hi Marck, On Monday, October 27, 2003, 21:14:01, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: RK how do I enter multiple addresses for one address book entry? Please explain how you intend to use these multiple addresses. What you want affects the answer. Example a: For my sister, I have two different mail addresses which I use according to where she'll read my mails first. I only want to use one address at a time. Example b: For a friend of mine I have two different mail addresses which I both want to appear in the Recipient field. Alternate addresses for a single address book entry should be separated on a line of their own in the email address box. To make all messages sent to that individual go to all addresses, see the Automatically add secondary addresses to the BCC field option on the Other tab of the address book entry edit window. So there's no other way to use the mail addresses entered in the field? If you want an entry for a group of people then you should be making a Group and adding an entry in the group for each address. Ok, I guess that's a bit too clumsy for Example b. I don't really want to create a group which just consists of the two mail addresses of my friend. Roman -- Roman Katzer, Aachen, Germany Never let your willpower get the best of you. Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: multiple addresses for one address book entry
Hello Marck, Monday, October 27, 2003, 1:14:01 PM, you wrote: Alternate addresses for a single address book entry should be separated on a line of their own in the email address box. To make all messages sent to that individual go to all addresses, see the Automatically add secondary addresses to the BCC field option on the Other tab of the address book entry edit window. What if you would want a choice as to which address is used to send that particular message... is that possible with TB's AB? By the looks of it, it's not. :o( -- -=Nick Andriash=- -=Creston, B.C. Canada=- Using The Bat! v2.01.7 on Windows 98 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: multiple addresses for one address book entry
Hi Nick, On Monday, October 27, 2003, at 3:29:48 PM PST, you wrote: What if you would want a choice as to which address is used to send that particular message... is that possible with TB's AB? By the looks of it, it's not. :o( Here's what I do... I create separate address book entries for one person's various addresses, then designate each one as a favorite. This way, when I'm in the To field, all the addresses are available from the right-click menu list. -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: multiple addresses for one address book entry
Hi Nick, On Monday, October 27, 2003, at 3:29:48 PM PST, you wrote: What if you would want a choice as to which address is used to send that particular message... is that possible with TB's AB? By the looks of it, it's not. :o( Oops! I also forgot to mention that I can access the favorites list menu from the new message drop-down list on the TB! main window (that little arrow on the right side of the button). -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: multiple addresses for one address book entry
Hi Nick, @27-Oct-2003, 16:29 -0700 (23:29 UK time) Nick Andriash [NA] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: NA What if you would want a choice as to which address is used to NA send that particular message... is that possible with TB's AB? NA By the looks of it, it's not. :o( Actually, it is :o). The address picker allows access to alternate addresses for a given entry. Click on the right-most icon (hint text is 'address book') in a message address line to get to the address picker. Right click on the AB entry in the let hand list box. If it has alternate address, that's how you can get to them. I tend to add multiple address book entries and use Ctrl-Plus to get to them via auto complete. It's easier. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v2.01.12 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: multiple addresses for one address book entry
Hi Roman, @28-Oct-2003, 00:23 +0100 (28-Oct 23:23 UK time) Roman Katzer [RK] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: Please explain how you intend to use these multiple addresses. What you want affects the answer. RK Example a: For my sister, I have two different mail addresses RK which I use according to where she'll read my mails first. I RK only want to use one address at a time. I tend to add multiple address book entries for this kind of use and use Ctrl-Plus to get to them via auto complete. It's easier. RK Example b: For a friend of mine I have two different mail RK addresses which I both want to appear in the Recipient field. see the Automatically add secondary addresses to the BCC field option on the Other tab of the address book entry edit window. This is the best way to do that. RK So there's no other way to use the mail addresses entered in the RK field? Yes - see my reply to Nick Andriash about using the Address Picker features. If you want an entry for a group of people then you should be making a Group and adding an entry in the group for each address. RK Ok, I guess that's a bit too clumsy for Example b. No - it actually doesn't apply at all. It's just that there have been folks writing in with similar queries who were actually trying to program up a mailing group as a single address book entry. I needed to be clear about what you needed to achieve. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v2.01.12 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: multiple addresses for one address book entry
Hello Nick, What if you would want a choice as to which address is used to send that particular message... is that possible with TB's AB? By the looks of it, it's not. :o( See my reply to Roman Katze on mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.01.3 Winamp PLAYING: John Klemmer - Forest Child (WNJL.com Radio - The Home Of Smooth Jazz On The Internet) Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: multiple addresses for one address book entry
Hi Marck, On Monday, October 27, 2003, at 4:03:30 PM PST, you wrote: Click on the right-most icon (hint text is 'address book') in a message address line to get to the address picker. Right click on the AB entry in the let hand list box. If it has alternate address, that's how you can get to them. Hmmm. While my method is a little more trouble to set up (separate AB entries for the same person), it seems a little faster when in use. The method above requires three mouse clicks and likely a bit of scrolling as well. Using my AB favorites menus from either the new message button on the main TB! window, or right-clicking in the To, CC, or BCC fields in the editor only takes two mouse clicks and no scrolling (well, other than just quickly rolling the mouse down the list! :-) I tend to add multiple address book entries and use Ctrl-Plus to get to them via auto complete. It's easier. Oh! This is nice as well! Thanks Marck! :-) -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: multiple addresses for one address book entry
Hello Marck, Monday, October 27, 2003, 5:03:30 PM, you wrote: The address picker allows access to alternate addresses for a given entry. Click on the right-most icon (hint text is 'address book') in a message address line to get to the address picker. Right click on the AB entry in the let hand list box. Thanks for the tip... I could see where you call the AB up, but I didn't bother to right click on individual entries to see the alternate addresses. Thanks Marck... -- -=Nick Andriash=- -=Creston, B.C. Canada=- Using The Bat! v2.01.7 on Windows 98 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Some serious security holes in 'The Bat!'
On Monday, October 27, 2003, Martin Webster wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: MW Surely you would change your password(s) before handing your PC MW to a stranger? And if you can't beforehand, afterwards? Martin, Certainly a good point. I've started using one of those password generators on occasion, because I've about used up all the cute ones I can remember. But now I need a place to store them, since there's no mnemonic to keep them in mind. But, of course, the place to store them needs to be encrypted and passworded, so I need a password for that :-) -- JN Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Some serious security holes in 'The Bat!'
Hello Joseph, Monday, October 27, 2003, 5:06:17 PM, you wrote: JN But now I JN need a place to store them, since there's no mnemonic to keep them in JN mind. But, of course, the place to store them needs to be encrypted JN and passworded, so I need a password for that :-) I manage a ton of passwords, not only for myself, but for my clients as well. I use a product called SplashID from www.splasdata.com. It operates on both my desktop and my Palm so I always have the data available, and yes, you do need to remember that ONE password. -- Best regards, Stevemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TB! 2
Hello Mark other TB! list members following this thread, On Monday, October 27, 2003, you explained: MW 1.63 allows for the use of plugins, What kind of plugins? MW which you're not using anyway in MW 1.62. Just the AVG plugin. MW That's about it, except for some SmartBat / scheduling features. I'd rather download my mail manually. I use the Mail Dispatcher for almost all accounts, so I need to eyeball my mail. I also use selective download, but want to double check what's it's doing and make my decisions in real time. There is no way I could completely automate that flexibility, although some think I'm spending too much time on it. (My mother taught reading and I skim like a champ). MW If missing out on these doesn't bother you, then there's no MW reason to go hunt down one of the betas. Without knowing what kind of plugin's are available, it's hard to say. MW The folder and file formats are the same and you shouldn't have MW any trouble switching back and forth. Does that hold true for 1.62, 1.63 v. 2? MW I was actually using beta 9 for a bit, but then I had to rebuild this MW computer a couple of days ago and lost the link. I'll have to put it MW back and get back to SP4 at the same time. You hadn't backed up your hard drive(s). Thanks for the response. -- Douglas Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:: Some serious security holes in 'The Bat!'
Hi Joseph, Monday, October 27, 2003, 8:06:17 PM, you wrote: JN I've started using one of those password generators on occasion, JN because I've about used up all the cute ones I can remember. But JN now I need a place to store them, since there's no mnemonic to JN keep them in mind. I've used Counterpane's Password Safe for a long time, and it contains a password generator as well. You might want to check it out at ... http://www.schneier.com/passsafe.html -- Regards, Perry I am a kind of paranoiac in reverse. I suspect people of plotting to make me happy. -- J. D. Salinger (1919 - ) Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Some serious security holes in 'The Bat!'
Hi Martin Monday, October 27, 2003, 4:48:28 PM, you wrote: JN They are two separate issues. A misused password can wreak boundless JN havoc for years after the incident. MW You use one password for everything? This issue is completely separate from the one of a misused password. You can have as many as you like, but if you don't change them, then it doesn't make any difference. Any one of them can be compromised and used for years. MW And continue to use it after the possibility of it being compromised? Often, the victim has no idea that he has been compromised. The situation described, where someone other than yourself is reading your email, is exactly one of these. If the attacker merely wants to read your mail without your knowing, and does not change anything, there is no reason for the average user to suspect wrongdoing. And therefore no reason to change his password. Even users who would not typically be considered 'average' grow complacent enough that this occurs often. MW Surely you would change your password(s) before handing your PC to a MW stranger? And if you can't beforehand, afterwards? I'm not sure what your point here is..did I miss something in the discussion? MW Certainly, if you're that concerned about password security you MW shouldn't save it in the first place; it's an option after all. :-) True. MW Still more probable than a complete stranger sitting in front of my PC MW and reeking havoc with his hex editor. (assuming he can log on and MW access my folders) I think someone would notice that! :-) This is actually completely unnecessary if this stranger somehow manages to install a trojan on your machine remotely. Compress it, encrypt it, bind it to an innocuous file type and most antiviruses will not catch it. No need to log on, the program could be made to run with your privileges. No need for a hex editor since he's not modifying anything. Most advanced trojans have impressive capabilities when it comes to downloading and uploading anything from your machine, so he could simply download the message files and .cfg files to his own machine and play in peace :) Hell, if he did want to wreak havoc, he could even fire up the hex editor and look through your downloaded EXEs. All this said, using PGPDisk and not using default installation paths is the way to go if you have reason to anticipate security breaches. Or use SecureBat, which I'll take the other posters' word for, is designed to be more secure. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re : Re : Unable to install French language interface
Saturday, October 25, 2003, Cedric Fontaine wrote: Bonjour ! Le 25 octobre 2003 à 02:24:58, vous écriviez : RO Hallo Cedric, RO Since the software is changing, the strings for the interface are RO changing too. As the foreign interface are maintained by volunteers, RO it's possible that Ritlabs only keeps those interfaces that are still RO being maintained. Who shall I contact to maintain the french interface? Try Max Masiutin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - he might help you. IIRC, he's the guy you normally contact if you want to translate the interface. -- Urban The blood circulates through the body by flowing down one leg and up the other. Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: : Some serious security holes in 'The Bat!'
Monday, October 27, 2003, 6:28:12 PM, Perry wrote: PN Hi Joseph, PN Monday, October 27, 2003, 8:06:17 PM, you wrote: JN I've started using one of those password generators on occasion, JN because I've about used up all the cute ones I can remember. But JN now I need a place to store them, since there's no mnemonic to JN keep them in mind. PN I've used Counterpane's Password Safe for a long time, and it PN contains a password generator as well. You might want to check it PN out at ... PN http://www.schneier.com/passsafe.html Also their is PINS: http://www.mirekw.com/winfreeware/pins.html This is a SourceForge/Delphi app that uses blowfish to. Seems to be pretty tight. -- Neal Using The Bat! v2.01.7 on Windows 2000 Service Pack 3 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Upgrading from 1.62 to 2.01.3
Please forgive me if this has already been discussed. I did a quick search of past messages and did not find what I was looking for: I am finally ready to give the new version a try. What is the best way to proceed? 1) Backup first 2) Install the new without uninstalling the old? 3) Uninstall the old and restore the backup? 4) Anything else I should consider? -- Thanks! Wayne Howard Another world is indeed possible! www.natcap.org Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
