Re: cut-line RFC and client support
Dear Andrew, @3-Feb-2004, 22:40 +0200 (03-Feb 20:40 UK time) Andrew Perevodchik [AP] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: tko can someone tell me if this is defined by some RFC and also tko what other e-mail clients take this convention into account? AP Afaik no. It's just Bat's behaviour. Incorrect. It came from usenet and is widely used in many modern email clients. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03 Beta/53 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: mailto: link craziness
Dear Jonathan, @2-Feb-2004, 11:57 -0600 (02-Feb 17:57 UK time) Jonathan Angliss [JA] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: Yes. It's an IE configuration error. Go into Internet Options (Tools | Options in IE) and go to the Programs tab. Go to 'E-mail' and select something other than TB. Click Apply. Now select TB. Click apply. Close and all should be fine. JA Is this in the FAQs? Comes up from time to time. No and it probably should be. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v2.03 Beta/51 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PC Mag Review Of The Bat!
Dear Chris, @30-Jan-2004, 23:10 -0500 (31-Jan 04:10 UK time) Chris [C] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to John: C Are the help files really written in Moldovan and then translated C into English? No. They're written in sort-of English by Moldovans and then some of it is translated to real English by me g. Although some of the help is really great, it has too many sections that aren't. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03.47 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Insert [snip] on deleting a chunk
Dear Daniel, @30-Jan-2004, 19:58 +0100 (30-Jan 18:58 UK time) dAniel hAhler [DH] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: MDP ' DH ^ ;) MDP That's there for GPG non-MIME signatures. The TB plug in strips MDP trailing blank lines before signing. I must update my templates MDP to make it conditional on non-MIME PGP signing being active. DH what does this mean? If you sign with GPG it would fail without DH the ' on the last line? No, it just means that without it, the signature block would be crammed up against the signature with no intervening blank line to space it out. DH What's non-MIME? Clear text signature, not PGP-MIME signature. DH has it to do with S-MIME? No. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03.47 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Re: Insert [snip] on deleting a chunk
Dear Henkdebruijn, @30-Jan-2004, 06:52 +0100 (30-Jan 05:52 UK time) Henk de Bruijn [H] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: H snipped H Sorry for stepping in. H I am pretty new to the Bat. It is not clear to me what has to be H in the Quick Template. Well, in my case I have a much simpler template containing only '...snip' - no CRs ... I do them by hand to shape the text as I wish. The quick template I use is simply this: ,--/ Snipper \-- ... snip `--\ End /-- H Sounds great, to select text and replace it with snipped, just H by using a keycombination. While in the Message editor, I press Alt-F12 to bring up the Shortcuts editor and navigate to Main menu .. Utilities ... Insert quick template ... Snipper and press Ctrl-Alt-X. Now I have a Ctrl-Alt-X key to replace the currently selected text with '...snip' in the message editor. You can assign a hotkey to any Quick template using this technique. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03.47 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Insert [snip] on deleting a chunk
Dear Marten, @30-Jan-2004, 09:39 Marten Gallagher [MG] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: The combination of Quick Template and the Shortcuts editor will let you define the 'CR [snip] CR' as a Quick Template called (say) 'Snipper' then Alt-F12 to get into the Shortcut editor and assign the key combo you want to use to fire it off.` MG Brilliant! ...so far... :-) MG Can you see above? I defined QT as you said - with two CR after ... snip MG but the trailing CR SPACE CR is ignored. MG But maybe that's the best we can do? It is. %CURSOR should have helped here as a marker for where you want the cursor put after the macro has run, but it doesn't. I shall have to report a bug in that procedure. As I said to Daniel, you will have to adopt a slightly different habit of adding the CRs yourself. Or read up on products like PowerPro to add custom hotkeys to your application, but that's not a topic for this forum. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03.47 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SMTP-S issue
Dear Oliver, @30-Jan-2004, 11:28 +0100 (30-Jan 10:28 UK time) Oliver Wolfram [OW] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Oliver: Hello fellow Bat-ers, OW Really nobody who can help me here? Apparently not. It sounds like a bug to me. Or strict adherence to RFC in the face a server that doesn't. OE cuts a lot of corners and ignores a lot of quirks that it perhaps should not. I recommend joining TBBETA and discussing the issues there so that RITlabs can get involved. Put something into the BugTraq system about it. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03.47 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Insert [snip] on deleting a chunk
Dear Marten, @30-Jan-2004, 12:56 Marten Gallagher [MG] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: MG On Friday, January 30, 2004 at 11:27:56 AM, you wrote: MG Thanks everyone for your help - CTRL-X and manual CRs it is then. You might prefer Alt-X since Ctrl-X is used for 'Cut to clipboard'. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03.47 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Insert [snip] on deleting a chunk
Dear Daniel, @30-Jan-2004, 13:47 +0100 (30-Jan 12:47 UK time) dAniel hAhler [DH] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: MDP An alternative is to put a single quote or something as an end point MDP and hit a backspace after it. DH Like this? MDP Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator MDP TB! v2.03.47 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 MDP ' DH ^ ;) LOL - not quite. That's there for GPG non-MIME signatures. The TB plug in strips trailing blank lines before signing. I must update my templates to make it conditional on non-MIME PGP signing being active. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03.47 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MyDoom and The Bat
Dear Jean, @29-Jan-2004, 15:31 +0100 (29-Jan 14:31 UK time) Jean Site [JS] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to tbudl: JS What do you think about MyDoom and The Bat ! JS Is there any risk? No risk at all - unless you open attachments when you don't know know what they are or that you were not expecting to receive. JS What can I do? You can install a virus scanner and keep it updated to remove the temptation. Nobody has yet written a virus that can infect a TB user without the user's own deliberate action to absorb the infection. Nor will they - TB doesn't auto-run any attachments, ever. Even then, TB usually warns you that you're opening an attachment you don't know about and that it can be dangerous. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03.47 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Insert [snip] on deleting a chunk
Dear Marten, @29-Jan-2004, 22:27 Admin at AK [MG] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to The: ... snip MG I.e: when a message is being replied to - in the Message Editor window MG - if I highlighted a portion and did CTRL-DELETE it would place a CR MG then [snip] then CR. ... snip MG I am I missing something in TB or do I add it to the Wish List? You are missing something in TB :-). I just did the above 'snips' with Alt-X (my preferred keystroke for the job). The combination of Quick Template and the Shortcuts editor will let you define the 'CR [snip] CR' as a Quick Template called (say) 'Snipper' then Alt-F12 to get into the Shortcut editor and assign the key combo you want to use to fire it off.` -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03.47 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Insert [snip] on deleting a chunk
Dear Roelof, @30-Jan-2004, 01:24 +0100 (30-Jan 00:24 UK time) Roelof Otten [RO] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Dan: DP You can only access it by going into a message reply window and DP then press Alt+F12 and then navigate there through Main Menu DP - Utilities - Insert Quick Template RO Sheesh! That's an odd way to hide something. Sort of ... but you do have to be in the place you want the key to be active to be able to define it. Makes a kind of sense. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03.47 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Insert [snip] on deleting a chunk
Dear Peter, @30-Jan-2004, 02:56 +0100 (30-Jan 01:56 UK time) Peter Ouwehand [PO] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: MDP Sort of ... but you do have to be in the place you want the key to MDP be active to be able to define it. Makes a kind of sense. PO Not really if you want to install the client on more than one PC and PO first need to wait for some msg to reply to before you can configure PO something PO Think about Admin support. It should be available at all times! It is. It's the editor that must be open, not just a reply. Just start a new message. Defined keys have to have a context. It's too complication if you have a central location to define them and then have to specify the context besides that. IMHO, the way it is is 100% right. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03.47 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Insert [snip] on deleting a chunk
Dear Peter, @30-Jan-2004, 03:13 +0100 (30-Jan 02:13 UK time) Peter Ouwehand [PO] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: PO Think about Admin support. It should be available at all times! MDP It is. It's the editor that must be open, not just a reply. MDP Just start a new message. PO Uhm, the question was about deleting lines in some reply. True, but the answer was about defining custom keys for the editor to achieve that effect. ... snip PO Well, the context conditions are in the program, linked to some PO action. The action / 'what to do' can be defined external. Just PO like with templates. It's made more complex because of the way TB lets you use the same keys to do different things in different places. There are a lot of keys used in editing that you may want to use for something else somewhere else. Where better to define each than in context? By letting you define keys in situ - what you want where you need it - it takes a level of complexity away from the act of defining the keys. Anyway - we may have to agree to disagree on this one. The fact remains, you can define keys that work in the editor and do pretty complex stuff. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03.47 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Insert [snip] on deleting a chunk
Dear Daniel, @30-Jan-2004, 05:46 +0100 (30-Jan 04:46 UK time) dAniel hAhler [DH] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: MDP you define the 'CR [snip] CR' as a Quick Template called (say) MDP 'Snipper' DH How would that look like? I've tried, but did not manage to get DH an extra newline at the end: You make a good point there. ... snip DH I also tried %- in the last line. Using %CURSOR there will put DH the cursor down too many rows.. Yes - that's the only one that even thinks about working. I worked out why too. The intended cursor position is calculated before the marked text is removed and isn't changed when the text disappears. The best bet until they fix that bug is to forget it and adopt a habit of hitting a couple of enter keys after snipping. An alternative is to put a single quote or something as an end point and hit a backspace after it. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03.47 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: upgrade: WARNING!
Dear Jean, @28-Jan-2004, 10:50 +0100 (28-Jan 09:50 UK time) Jean Site [JS] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: is may indeed work, but make sure you switch the accounts to POP3 first and backup the messages you want to keep safe from any IMAP accounts. JS you switch the accounts to POP3 first! JS How can I do that? You can only do that while upgrading from v1 to v2. You can't do it if (as you are) you are already running v2. While in v1, just change the Account properties | Transport settings from IMAP to POP3. (PS: nice trim to context - thank you!). -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03.47 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New spam plugin
Dear Tb, @28-Jan-2004, 15:08 -0600 (28-Jan 21:08 UK time) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [T] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: T I'm fed up with all the crap and have decided T to write a spam plugin today. Where's the SDK? T And, why is the SDK download so well hidden? Wrong list. Please refer to the TBUDLInfo page in the footer for details of the TBDEV list for plug-in developers. Also on that page is the link to the archive, where you can find details of the SDK. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03.47 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: upgrade: WARNING!
Dear Ken, @27-Jan-2004, 17:18 -0600 (27-Jan 23:18 UK time) ken green [K] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to TBUDL: K My main business account Inbox came back empty (from the IMAP to K Pop conversion?) Hang on a minute... I didn't think there was such a thing. The instructions for the upgrade were always to convert IMAP accounts to POP *before* upgrading. This was known not to work during the process of an upgrade. At least, that's how it was during beta testing. ... snip K Both this account and my business account showed up as IMAP - K even after the installation process told me they would be K converted to POP. K The upgrade procedure STINKS. This may be true, but we were always told to do the conversion manually before upgrading. There is no transition from v1 IMAP to v2 IMAP. I don't know what happened to that advice and why it's not in the standard v2 upgrade procedure. K PROCEED WITH CAUTION! K When I stripped all things Bat from my laptop and did a clean K install of v2, everything seems to be doing OK. ... as I (or anyone) would expect. K No so on the desktop where I tried to upgrade. K What a shame... Indeed. K I was feeling good about The Bat again. I'm now going to have to K spend time trying to get back to 1.62r and see if I can recover K some messages This may indeed work, but make sure you switch the accounts to POP3 first and backup the messages you want to keep safe from any IMAP accounts. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03.47 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: upgrade: WARNING!
Dear Ken, @27-Jan-2004, 17:35 -0600 (27-Jan 23:35 UK time) ken green [K] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to ken: ... snip K Would it help to set all accounts to POP and do another full K backup in 1.62? Then try to restore from that? This is the optimum route. ... snip K One more thing... I seem to recall seeing something about icon K sets but cannot remember if that was for custom icons or what. K When I upgraded my desktop (v.2_CE over 1.62r) the icons remained K what they were. When I installed v2 on my laptop (clean install) K I got the new icon set. K What's up? Remove the glyphs.bmp file manually, since it's a manual addition and applies to both v1 and v2. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03.47 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: upgrade: WARNING!
Dear Ken, @27-Jan-2004, 18:14 -0600 (28-Jan 00:14 UK time) ken green [K] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: K My main business account Inbox came back empty (from the IMAP to Pop K conversion?) Hang on a minute... I didn't think there was such a thing. K If there were no such thing, why is there a CONVERSION PROCESS K during the upgrade? Pass - I didn't know they'd been added. K Are you talking about something else? No. K The conversion process is part of the install for v2. A message K box comes up, reporting that IMAP folder will be created as POP. K There is even an apology for the inconvenience -- there's an K understatement! :) During the beta cycle, we were told to convert to POP3 before upgrading. I didn't know that it had been automated. I would assume that the automatic procedure was tested before incorporating it into the release. Clearly, it was not tested on all configurations and permutations. Your configuration obviously tripped it up. The instructions for the upgrade were always to convert IMAP accounts to POP *before* upgrading. K Where are those instructions? These instructions were an integral part of the beta cycle for v2. ... snip There is no transition from v1 IMAP to v2 IMAP. K Right. That fact is established. But there is a transition K process during v2 install that converts IMAP accounts to POP. If K that doesn't work, why not just pop up a window that says: K Please convert all IMAP account to POP so that The Bat doesn't K screw your message base up, cause you to unistall, and revert to K your backup. I agree. It should be described as a manual, pre-upgrade step, as it was in the beta cycle. It seems to me that it's too dangerous to let it convert automatically en-route. K When I stripped all things Bat from my laptop and did a clean K install of v2, everything seems to be doing OK. ... as I (or anyone) would expect. K Oh come on... to say everything seems to be doing OK is K completely relative. Your response was either in jest, or naive K and myopic. Surely you haven't missed the numerous problems with K v2.? bang Ouch! where did that come from? I thought you were saying v2 was fine on the laptop after a clean install? I'm sure that's what you said. That's what I'm agreeing with. As for numerous problems. No. I've seen reports of numerous gotchas in configuring IMAP. But v2 is still a major improvement over v1 in *every* respect for all users, even for IMAP. Okay, I don't use IMAP and as a result my frustration levels are sat at zero .. nowhere near the volcanic peaks you seem to have hit with it all :-). K I was feeling good about The Bat again. I'm now going to have to K spend time trying to get back to 1.62r and see if I can recover K some messages This may indeed work, but make sure you switch the accounts to POP3 first and backup the messages you want to keep safe from any IMAP accounts. K Will do. Thanks for the help. I try. Sorry if I'm coming over as glib here - don't intend to at all. Just trying to keep up with the twists and turns of the saga. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03.47 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Searching the archives
Dear Stuart, @23-Jan-2004, 09:17 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SH] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to TBUDL: SH MAU kindly provided links to some old messages that he thought might SH be of interest. The links took the form SH mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. However, if you enter SH that string in the search box on the archive page you get no messages! These links are for use within TB only. SH I have looked for the subject of the message and whilst I found SH a number (26) of related messages there doesn't seem to be a way SH of going to the thread that contains them. Clicking on one of SH the messages and then clicking on 'Thread' takes me to a page SH that contains *none* of the messages. Perhaps MAU would be able to supply you with references to the mail-archive messages? That would be quite a bit of extra work for him though. Or you can fire up TB and use the mid URLs. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v2.03 Beta/45 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Searching the archives
Dear Jean, @23-Jan-2004, 15:04 +0100 (23-Jan 14:04 UK time) Jean Site [JS] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: ... snip SH mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. However, if you enter SH that string in the search box on the archive page you get no messages! MDP These links are for use within TB only. ... snip MDP him though. Or you can fire up TB and use the mid URLs. JS An explaination please. I shall try :-). JS You can fire up TB is it the same as You can leave TB? No. Fire up is like Start up or Run. So it means You can start up TB JS What is mid URLs? An 'mid' is a Message ID. It refers to the Message-ID header field. All email messages have one (that's a sweeping generalisation and is only slightly inaccurate - actually it's more like 99.99% of messages have ID fields, but that's just nit-picking). The term 'URL' means Universal Resource Locator. URL can be applied to mailto:, http:, and mid: references amongst others. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v2.03 Beta/45 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: /EXPORT Office Rules Recipient
Hi St, @15-Jan-2004, 15:21 +0100 (15-Jan 14:21 UK time) St - Musaic.Net [SMN] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Stefan: Actually, it should be /EXPORTU=JunkShield - Musaic.Net; SMN Thank you - I will try that. Helpfile is wrong then? Not at all. The example in the help file looks like this: Examples of the /EXPORT command: /EXPORTU=My account 1;F=Friends\Sam;DIR=C:\InFiles\Sam\;S=-20 By using incorrect syntax for the 'User' you corrupted the command and made the results unpredictable. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03 Beta/33 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Macros understanding
Hi Jean,
@14-Jan-2004, 09:50 +0100 (14-Jan 08:50 UK time) Jean Site [JS] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to tbudl:
JS I try to understand the language of macros
... snip
JS %SETPATTREGEXP=(?m-s)^Date\:\s*?((.*?[\d]{4})\s*?([\d]{0,2}\:%-
JS [\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2})\s*?(.*))%REGEXPMATCH=%HEADERS
JS The explainations don't allow to undesrstand.
JS Which is the language used here?
This uses 'Perl Compatible' regular expression (PCRE) syntax.
JS For me (?m-s)^Date\:\s*?((.*?[\
. Is martial language!
:-).
JS Does exist a tutorial about macros?
What you really need is the regular expression tutorial.
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/regex.html. There is a link there
to the original German version of this tutorial in case you can read
German more easily than you can English. The TB Help file also has
pretty comprehensive Regular Expression information in it. I taught
myself from that.
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Re: Explain this macro?
Hi Darrin, @14-Jan-2004, 06:28 -0800 (14-Jan 14:28 UK time) Darrin [D] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: D Ive been using this macro D (mid:%SETPATTREGEXP=;(.*)%REGEXPMATCH=%OMSGID%- ) D Can someone explain how it works? It sets up a regular expression pattern to extract all characters (.*) contained between a matched pair of angle brackets. It then passes the Original 'MessageId' header to the pattern matcher. The result is a bare message ID. The mid: bit is just plain text to turn it into a TB compatible mid: url. D Will it work only if the recipient of the email has TB! or will D it work with outlook express? It will extract the message ID from any email message. D If the person who sent the original email has deleted the D original does this not work? Work? The regex works whatever. Can a recipient of a mid: reference use it to look up a message in their mailbase? Well, I'm not up to speed on how other software works in this area. TB is pretty powerful like that. I think Becky can do it. I don't think many others can. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v2.03 Beta/33 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: From Initials macro?
Hi Darrin, @14-Jan-2004, 07:52 -0800 (14-Jan 15:52 UK time) Darrin [D] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: D Im looking on the silverstones site to find a from initials macro D for a reply. D Instead of it reading ...from (john doe)... I would like it to D read ..from (JD)... Im not able to find one. Does any have D this? It's up there. Did you see this? http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/Library.html#initials Implement the three quick templates then just use %QINCLUDE='Initials' wherever you want the initials to appear. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v2.03 Beta/33 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Failed sending messages to this group
Hi Jean, @11-Jan-2004, 17:04 +0100 (11-Jan 16:04 UK time) Jean Site [JS] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: Please fix your name mangling macro. It keeps using the email address instead of the name to form the '[Name] on TheBat! UDL' part of the address line. JS I am a beginner I don't understand the meaning of this sentence Many of us old timers here use an address/name mangler to get messages submitted to lists looking more appropriate. TB, by default, when replying writes to the name of the author at the reply address required. When you replied to me, your message was addressed to Marck D Pearlstone [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Now, many purists say this is bad, wrong and irresponsible. It implies that my email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] This can cause offence and mistakes. These purists address their own on-list replies without any real name attributions at all. I find that even more confusing. It's nice to see to whom a reply has been directed before reading it. The compromise solution many of us use is to 'mangle' the real name as I have done yours to read Jean Site on TBUDL [EMAIL PROTECTED]. This makes it perfectly clear that the email address is not yours but that the reply is addressed to you as an individual and, more specifically, as a member of the TBUDL. This is usually done in a macro, used in reply templates for a specific address book groups, namely that used to hold the addresses of mailing lists to which I subscribe. The macro I use looks like this: %REM='List TO replacement macro by Marck'%- %_addr='%ABOFROMNamePrefix(%ABOFROMName(%OFROMNAME))%- on %ABOREPLYHANDLE(%ABOREPLYFIRSTNAME) %OREPLYADDR'%- %TO=''%TO='%_addr'%- I configure my address book list entries to have List as the surname and the list name as the forename. I then put a short form of the list name in the Handle entry. The macro set above also makes reference to anything I already know about the real name of the author in my address book before relying on whatever nickname they may have used on the list. Does this help? -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03 Beta/31 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Template addressing problem
Hi Chris, @9-Jan-2004, 01:06 -0500 (09-Jan 06:06 UK time) Chris [C] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Munango-Keewati: ... snip C http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/templates.html#template woes C Remove the quotes before trying to access this URL. C NOTE to owner of the above URL: C Spaces are not allowed in (X)HTML anchors. Well spotted. Nobody has spotted that in the (3?) years the page has been there :-). -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03 Beta/28 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Creating an Out of Office Auto reply
Hi Stuart, @9-Jan-2004, 12:19 Stuart Hemming [SH] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: SH Can I ask, do you have this list in your exempt group? No. I don't operate an OOO system myself. I run one from my TB for my business partner. He's not on this list. He is on other lists though and those addresses are in the Exempt group. If I go away, I tend to take my laptop with me and read the mail in real time. As for holidays ... what's one of them? SH What address to you use and how do you set it up? SH The messages I get, for example the one I'm replying to here, SH has your address as the From: address, not the list's. How do SH you set up to not send a message to the list one for each list SH member that posts whilst you've got OOO switched on? Do you SH simply process you List mail before your OOO filter kicks in? The filter can specify Address must not be listed in address book, Sender and all recipients, with the specific exemption group selected. The same filter can move the message to a responded folder and add the address to the group (so that it is exempt next time a message from that source arrives). If the filter is the first real filter (following any remote control filters for, saying, turning on the coffee machine or starting the video), then any exempted messages will be processed as usual. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03 Beta/28 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Creating an Out of Office Auto reply
Hi Stuart, @9-Jan-2004, 14:17 Stuart Hemming [SH] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: SH What I've done is create the OOO filter and put it after the filters SH that file away my list mail. That would work too. BTW, I can't verify your signatures - key is not retrievable from the LDAP servers. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03 Beta/28 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Creating an Out of Office Auto reply
Hi Shemming, @8-Jan-2004, 14:44 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [S] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: S I'm thinking of trying to implement this in TB! using filters. S First off, has anyone done this? I'm not so bored that I want to S reinvent the wheel. Yes, I have. S 1. I only want to send out the OOO message once to each person S that mails me, regardless of how many messages they send. Indeed. S 2. I will create a filter that puts each incoming message in to a S particular colour group the show it needs OOO processing. S 3. For each 'named' AB group, if the sender's name is found then S I will change the message's colour group to say that it has been S processed. S 4. If I do not find the sender's address then an OOO message will S be sent and the colour group changed. S 5. When I switch off the filter I will empty the OOO AB group. S The idea behind 2 is that I can have more than one AB group which S means that I can have a list of addresses that never get an OOO S message, mail lists and the like. I can switch the OOO filter on and S off just by enabling the filter in (1) because if they are not in the S 'OOO processing' group the rest of the filters will ignore them. S Can anyone see any logical holes with this? It's a good scheme. I just use an AB group scheme myself. I have a single filter that adds the individual to the Exempt group as it sends the OOO with the advanced setting condition that the address is not already in the Exempt group. By seeding the group with the address of the lists I belong to, it all just works. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03 Beta/28 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Creating an Out of Office Auto reply
Hi Stuart, @8-Jan-2004, 16:52 Stuart Hemming [SH] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: MDP It's a good scheme. I just use an AB group scheme myself. SH Do you have to manually clear out the AB group when you switch the SH filter off or is there a way of doing that automagically? Yes. It's just as easy to empty the group and repopulate it with the constants. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03 Beta/28 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Failed sending messages to this group
Hi Thomas, @8-Jan-2004, 17:28 -0300 (08-Jan 20:28 UK time) Thomas Martin [TM] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to TheBat!UDL: TM strange things happen. Sometimes i can't send messages to this group, TM sometimes yes. Ideas? TM ,- [ Report ] TM | [EMAIL PROTECTED] TM | SMTP error from remote mailer after end of data: TM | host draenor.its-toasted.org [62.80.28.8]: 550 Syntax error in 'To' header: TM | malformed address: on TheBat! UDL List [EMAIL PROTECTED] may not follow TM | [EMAIL PROTECTED] : TM | failing address is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on TheBat! UDL List TM | [EMAIL PROTECTED] TM `- Please fix your name mangling macro. It keeps using the email address instead of the name to form the . This is creating very bad address lines. The clue is in the report. It's pretty clear that it is wrong and pretty clear exactly *what* is wrong. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03 Beta/28 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Failed sending messages to this group
Hi Thomas, @8-Jan-2004, 17:28 -0300 (08-Jan 20:28 UK time) Thomas Martin [TM] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to TheBat!UDL: (another on escaped) TM strange things happen. Sometimes i can't send messages to this group, TM sometimes yes. Ideas? TM ,- [ Report ] TM | [EMAIL PROTECTED] TM | SMTP error from remote mailer after end of data: TM | host draenor.its-toasted.org [62.80.28.8]: 550 Syntax error in 'To' header: TM | malformed address: on TheBat! UDL List [EMAIL PROTECTED] may not follow TM | [EMAIL PROTECTED] : TM | failing address is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on TheBat! UDL List TM | [EMAIL PROTECTED] TM `- Please fix your name mangling macro. It keeps using the email address instead of the name to form the '[Name] on TheBat! UDL' part of the address line. This is creating very bad address lines. The clue is in the report. It's pretty clear that it is wrong and pretty clear exactly *what* is wrong. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03 Beta/28 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Failed sending messages to this group
Hi Thomas, @8-Jan-2004, 19:38 -0300 (08-Jan 22:38 UK time) Thomas Martin [TM] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: Please fix your name mangling macro. It keeps using the email address instead of the name to form the '[Name] on TheBat! UDL' part of the address line. TM Will do so, but this only happens in _this_ list. I have in TM total 12 other, never had a problem on these others . It will happen on every list you where end up with this as an address line: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on listname [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's a very bad violation of the RFCs. It happened to someone else recently on the SecureBat list. No list server in its right mind should accept a message addressed like that! If other lists accept your postings then I would assume that those messages aren't being given completely RFC invalid address lines. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03 Beta/28 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Removing from this list.
Hi Mark, @8-Jan-2004, 17:49 -0600 (08-Jan 23:49 UK time) Mark Thomas [MT] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: MT I deleted the email that tells me how to subscribe/unsubscribe from MT this list. MT I need to drop the extra emails for a while. MT Can someone forward the Unsubscribe info to me! Current version is 2.x | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html The above is appended to the bottom of every message passed through the TB lists. Clicking that link will take you to the page containing all the information you need to manage a subscription on the TB lists. Or, with a message from one of the TB lists selected, you may click on the 'Specials' menu item and choose one of the options from the 'Mailing List' sub-menu. When leaving the list, don't forget to reply to the confirmation request from the list server. Your departure will not complete without it! -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03 Beta/28 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Export filter
Hi Rich, @7-Jan-2004, 04:12 -0500 (07-Jan 09:12 UK time) rich gregory [RG] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Chris: C ... Sorting Office, right-click the filter ... select Copy. C Then, paste into your e-mail message. RG THAT'S what I did wrong. It doesn't work if you use CTRL-C to copy. Hmmm. Ctrl-C works for me :-/. RG With the filter highlighted, you have to select COPY from the RG context menu or use CTRL-Y to get the text version of the filter RG into the clipboard. .. which works too. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v2.03 Beta/28 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filter not working as expected
Hi Rich, @7-Jan-2004, 05:27 -0500 (07-Jan 10:27 UK time) rich gregory [RG] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to MAU: M Should be '30gov'. That is, Location should be Text and not Kludges. RG (I am pretty sure) I had it set to TEXT (not kludges) FIRST! RG (I am pretty sure) I had it set to TEXT (not kludges) then, once RG it failed to work as expected, I think I set the gov string to RG KLUDGES from TEXT as the true word I am trying to cite is RG Government. Kludges is the TB word for Message headers only. So it won't work the way you're expecting. TB's signal strings are case insensitive by default. You have to go out of your way (please refer to the Help topic on the Sorting Office and signal strings for the full explanation) to make strings case sensitive. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v2.03 Beta/28 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: not receiving attachments
Hi Ken, @6-Jan-2004, 22:46 -0600 (07-Jan 04:46 UK time) ken green [K] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: This is file association gone sour down to silly content type settings. K Sounds like you are on the right track. This problem does not K appear to be happening on my laptop at all, and only started K happening recently on my desktop (which is why I'm convinced *I* K changed something). Okay. K I had been trying out some PDF programs that convert documents to K PDF format using a printer driver. Two of those programs K installed toolbar button in Word. Could this have anything to K with the content type problem? ... snip K But what do I do? Where do I start? What do I do next? Maybe reinstalling Word would help. It would replace the current associations for the application/msword type. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03 Beta/28 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Cookies
Hi Darrin, @7-Jan-2004, 06:44 -0800 (07-Jan 14:44 UK time) Darrin [D] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: D ... cookies ... a few of them that are more than one line of D text. With these ones, TB! is reading each line as a separate D cookie instead of one cookie that is three lines. My question is D how do I set a longer cookie such as one with 3 lines of text so D TB! will recognize it as just one cookie? Join the lines and put a \n sequence to indicate a line break. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03 Beta/28 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TBUDL Archive?
Hi Jim, @6-Jan-2004, 04:26 -0500 (06-Jan 09:26 UK time) Jim Dever [JD] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: JD Is there an archive kept of TBUDL messages (especially recent JD ones)? Yes. The address of the archive can be found in the TBUDLinfo link on the bottom of every message (or in the part.txt attachment to my posts - displaced by the PGP/MIME signature). The TBUDL archive is here: http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03 Beta/25 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: not receiving attachments
Hi Ken, @5-Jan-2004, 02:01 -0600 (05-Jan 08:01 UK time) ken green [K] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Mark: How long do you go without rebooting your computer? Windows likes to be rebooted every so often K Yeah, I know about Windows... ;) I have gone for weeks without a K reboot, but that's rare. I experienced this recent attachment K issue (nothing to do with mommy) with my Windows box no more than K 24 hours from a reboot. K And this recent one that won't come back tells me something funny K is going on. It's frustrating - I know that *something* changed, K and I probably changed (broke) it. It's about the registered document type -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03 Beta/25 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: not receiving attachments
Hi Ken, @5-Jan-2004, 02:01 -0600 (05-Jan 08:01 UK time) ken green [K] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Mark: Try again - that one escaped! K Yeah, I know about Windows... ;) I have gone for weeks without a K reboot, but that's rare. I experienced this recent attachment K issue (nothing to do with mommy) with my Windows box no more than K 24 hours from a reboot. K And this recent one that won't come back tells me something funny K is going on. It's frustrating - I know that *something* changed, K and I probably changed (broke) it. Looking at the headers you posted in another branch of this thread, it looks to me that something is going awry with the registered document hive in your windows configuration. TB is enquiring as to the registered document type but is being fed a crock when it makes the enquiry of a corrupted windows kernel. This is probably because of an in-memory corruption of the Win9x OS due to needing a reboot. BTW the Content-Type: application/msword;, although reasonable to a degree, is bad - it's completely windows/mac-centric and non-portable. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03 Beta/25 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: not receiving attachments
Hi Ken, @5-Jan-2004, 17:38 -0600 (05-Jan 23:38 UK time) ken green [K] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: K Not sure if this helps, but if I invoke Message Dispatcher and K re-download the message in question, the Word doc attachment K shows up. *AND* the previous version of message that wasn't K showing the attachment now *does* show the attachment. This is file association gone sour down to silly content type settings. BTW the Content-Type: application/msword;, although reasonable to a degree, is bad - it's completely windows/mac-centric and non-portable. K Ummm... OK... So it's bad - who/what is setting the K content-type? The original sender. ISTM that MS is messing more and more with MIME types and they really shouldn't. It confuses the heck out of some hapless recipients down the line. Like you, for instance. K I thought this was MIME stuff set at the server level? (this is K beyond my expertise, so excuse my ignorance on the subject) The server usually only sets Received headers. Sometimes they add missing Message-Id headers and Spam processing or routing headers. Stuff like that. Any server that message with content types should not be doing so. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03 Beta/25 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Log when re-apply filter
Hi Cs4l, @3-Jan-2004, 09:59 +0100 (03-Jan 08:59 UK time) cs4l [C] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: C Is there an option that allows to write in the log file when C re-applying filters on a folder? C The filter activity goes to the log when receiving new mail, but C apprently not when re-applying filters to a folder. No, but it's a good question and a good idea. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03 Beta/25 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 2.02.3 (CE) using up system resources?
Hi Susanne, @3-Jan-2004, 19:51 -0800 (04-Jan 03:51 UK time) Susanne [S] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to TBUDL: S I recently upgraded to the CE, and now find myself constantly S restarting the computer, because I'm running out of resources. S Is this a known issue with this version, and if yes, is there a S beta version available that has dealt with it? No, this isn't a known or reported issue with this release AFAIR. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03 Beta/25 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Picture in message pane.
Hi Roopesh, @2-Jan-2004, 01:04 -0800 (02-Jan 09:04 UK time) Roopesh [R] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: R Please tell me if there is any way to send small .jpg or .gif R images (image of signatures - as in incredimail) in the message R area and not as attached file. No. Not even incredimail can do that. It just pretends to. What is sent is a standard picture attachment and an HTML body containing an IMG ... tag referring to the attached image. This makes it appear that the picture is inline. It isn't. You can do this in TB v2 can with the HTML message editor. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03 Beta/25 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem with Kaspersky anti-virus.
Hi Jean, @1-Jan-2004, 11:37 +0100 (01-Jan 10:37 UK time) Jean Site [JS] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to tbudl: JS I have deleted the message in folders Inbox and Trash. JS But Kaspersky don't understand and is going to tell JS Virus alert for the same message! JS What's wrong? Kapersky don't works with The Bat! ? 1) When you delete a message, it still exists in the TBB file 2) Compress the folder to remove the message completely. 3) Now delete the message from trash 4) Delete trash 5) If you are using the Pro version of Kaspersky, enable the built-in mail scanning Ant-Virus for it and stop Kaspersky from scanning your mail folders. Kaspersky and TB work in perfect harmony :-). -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03 Beta/25 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP (or GnuPG) signing hidden on authentication?
Hi Greg, @1-Jan-2004, 17:32 -0600 (01-Jan 23:32 UK time) Greg Strong [GS] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to TBUDL: GS In order to get the PGP signatures hidden do I have to use the GS commercial product, or is it possible to configure with GnuPG? I use GnuPG and PGP/MIME signing right here. ... snip GS I see the Tools | OpenPGP menu. Under Tools | OpenPGP | Choose GS OpenPGP version I have GNU Privacy Guard (GPG) chosen. Good start. Then, in the message editor menu you have: Privacy | Sign when complete PGP/MIME Off / On / Auto On will sign with PGP/MIME. Or in templates you can specify: %SIGNCOMPLETE%PGPMIME%- GS So unless I missed something I would imagine I need to have the GS commercial product to get the hidden signatures? Correct? Wrong :-). GS The hidden signatures is referred to as PGP/MIME? Correct? No idea. Never heard it referred to as that before. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03 Beta/25 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP (or GnuPG) signing hidden on authentication?
Hi Greg, @1-Jan-2004, 18:48 -0600 (02-Jan 00:48 UK time) Greg Strong [GS] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: GS The hidden signatures is referred to as PGP/MIME? Correct? MDP No idea. Never heard it referred to as that before. GS So what is the hidden signature of PGP (or GPG) called? At the risk of repeating myself, I have never heard of Hidden signatures but PGP/MIME sounds like the thing. Although, as a technical purist, hidden is, perhaps, a misnomer. TB hides them I suppose. But send a PGP/MIME signed message to a non PGP/MIME aware mail client and they'll be complaining about the 'odd' attachment of with this header Content-Type: application/pgp-signature. The attachment is clearly visible and not hidden at all. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03 Beta/25 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP (or GnuPG) signing hidden on authentication?
Hi Greg, @1-Jan-2004, 20:00 -0600 (02-Jan 02:00 UK time) Greg Strong [GS] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: GS In Privacy Preferences under Tools | OpenPGP | Open GS PGPPreferences I have caching of passphrase selected for 5 GS minutes. It is NOT working. Is this a bug or a configuration GS issue? I have my key rings on a floppy disk and TB pointed to GS them on the files tab, or is this some other strange GS configuration issue? I don't know. I have thought it worked here. Sometimes. I have just configured it for minutes. Let's see how I get on with that. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03 Beta/25 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Make it STOP!!
Hi David, @31-Dec-2003, 09:13 David Elliott [DE] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: MDP You'll find its details in the TBUDLInfo web page (see below). DE Not on my system. DE See the attached part.txt which contains D'oh - forgot about the PGP/MIME sig that makes the footer appear as an attachment. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03 Beta/25 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Antivirus question
Hi Dan, @31-Dec-2003, 09:48 -0500 (31-Dec 14:48 UK time) Dan Grunberg [DG] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: No and yes. TB has an interface for BAV (Bat Anti-Virus) plug ins. Any AV software for which there is a BAV available can be used. See here: ftp://www.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/bav/ DG Ritlabs doesn't seem to accept anonymous login. am I missing DG something? Yes. Time. That message was before they moved to a new, more secure server. The FTP site did not survive the transition. I have no idea where the BAV files are available from now. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03 Beta/25 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Re: how do i put my subscriptio on hold?
Hi Alists, @31-Dec-2003, 16:19 -0800 (01-Jan 00:19 UK time) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [A] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: A im wondering how to put my subscription on hold. im on vacation A till 2/15 and won't be able to check mail. Use the web interface to your list subscription. You should shortly be receiving a reminder of your password from the list server to help you do that. Happy new year GMT. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03 Beta/25 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Have most people upgraded to the Christmas edition?
Hi Vishal, @30-Dec-2003, 00:37 -0500 (30-Dec 05:37 UK time) Vishal Nakra [V] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Allie: AM http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/news_detail.php?ID=389 V I did look at that but was wondering if there were any major bugs V with those features. The folder views thing is the only real V problem I've heard about (maybe one or two more). ... although that's hit smooth running now and is an absolute gem of a new feature. The current beta (25) is running pretty stable. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03 Beta/25 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Make it STOP!!
Hi Scott, @30-Dec-2003, 21:50 -0600 (31-Dec 03:50 UK time) Scott [S] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Peter: S Dont know what/where bug tracker is... You'll find its details in the TBUDLInfo web page (see below). -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03 Beta/25 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Revoking GnuPG key
Hi Edgar, @29-Dec-2003, 23:44 +0100 (29-Dec 22:44 UK time) Edgar [E] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to All: E How should I've done it (if I did it wrong) Just as you have. TB's GnuPG support has just been fixed in the latest beta. ,--/ From the release notes for \-- [-] When signing with GnuPG, if the signer had multiple keys, The Bat! could offer disabled, expired and revoked keys as well. `--\ End /-- -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03 Beta/25 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Upgrade problems
Hi Susanne, @28-Dec-2003, 13:04 -0800 (28-Dec 21:04 UK time) Susanne [S] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: S Any advice as to what I'm missing? It sounds to me like you've done a CD restore at some point and left your executable and many other files setup as Read Only. That would behave the way you're suggesting. You'd have to use Windows Explorer to modify the file properties of all of the files in the c:\Program Files\The Bat!\ folder not to be Read Only. You should certainly *not* have needed to install to a separate directory. That's one sure fire way of losing the very settings you wanted to keep. Then again you've taken a huge leap of an upgrade. 1.53 is a very old version of the software. Most people are upgrading from 1.6 versions. I don't know if anyone has any advice about that. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03 Beta/24 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Upgrade to version 2?
Hi Susanne, @27-Dec-2003, 13:39 -0800 (27-Dec 21:39 UK time) Susanne [S] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: S I'm considering an upgrade from version 1.53d to version 2.0. S Can anyone tell me if I will have to completely set up TB from S scratch again after the update, or if my settings will stay. Some settings will stay. New features or reworked features may require reconfiguration. S Also, while I still have the key I purchased years ago, my S password is being rejected as incorrect, even though I'm certain S I am using the correct one. S Will this cause problems during the upgrade? The new key will not have a password so it's not going to be relevant. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03 Beta/24 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Upgrade to version 2?
Hi Susanne, @27-Dec-2003, 17:43 -0800 (28-Dec 01:43 UK time) Susanne [S] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: Some settings will stay. New features or reworked features may require reconfiguration. S How about folders and filters? S I have quite a large number of them, and might decide to stay S with the old version if I have to set up every single one of S those again :} Folders stay. Filters are unchanged. Some templates may need fiddling with - the V2 macro set includes variables and makes %COMMENT and %TO macros work differently. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03 Beta/24 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.0 Underwhelmed...
Hi Rich, @24-Dec-2003, 16:04 -0500 (24-Dec 21:04 UK time) rich gregory [RG] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: ... snip seasonal harmony and agreements ... RG BTW, what's vbg? Very Big Grin ;-). -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v2.03 Beta/22 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: more than one macro
Hi Henkdebruijn, @24-Dec-2003, 14:40 +0100 (24-Dec 13:40 UK time) Henk de Bruijn [H] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to TBUDL: H I use the macros Smart Quote Prefixing and Quote Extraction. But H now I read about the macro Re Wrap and I don´t know what to do. I H made the two quicktemplates but where do I put: %QINCLUDE=wq In your reply template. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v2.03 Beta/22 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filtering on HTML tags?
Hi Munango-Keewati, @24-Dec-2003, 17:35 -0600 (24-Dec 23:35 UK time) Munango-Keewati said to TBUDL: Is it possible to filter on HTML tags, such as html or !? I've been trying without success, using the Text setting. Doesn't the filter run on raw text, without regard for what is or isn't displayed? It runs on raw text, yes indeed. Aye, there's the rub. The HTML tags are normally *within an attachment*. Filters do not currently look within attachments. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03 Beta/22 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.0 Underwhelmed...
Hi Rich, @23-Dec-2003, 15:21 -0500 (23-Dec 20:21 UK time) rich gregory [RG] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: MDP This is such a tiny flaw compared to RG Tiny? I'll give you small! There are times when I have a heck RG of a lot of email addresses on the BCC: line that need to be RG trimmed and this can be a huge (give me appreciable?) RG frustration, ... snip What ... you never discovered the address picker? No wonder you're so frustrated. Just click the little man icon at the end of the BCC line. Use the picker to throw out addresses from a line that long. It's so easy that way! Alternatively, I could copy the line to a real editor to work on that much text. Edit boxes were never built to handle that much text. Hence the address picker. Which works great. RG The part that strikes me as unprofessional Maybe it strikes you that way, but I *am* a professional and I happen to understand why it is like it is. That's edit fields for ya! g RG is that this is an old reported problem that (not being a RG programmer myself) ought to be easy to fix! It's not as it happens. It's a problem within an edit box control, which is like a 'Name' entry box on a form. Edit boxes are awkward at best of times, not like a textbox or edit window, which are completely different and much easier to control. ... snip RG .. the owners would then become quite unhappy with the loss of RG productivity from the employees' learning curve issues. Well, the companies into which I have recommended TB have no such issues. I get maybe 4 calls a year from them about TB. As a one-for-one OE replacement, there's hardly any learning curve. Okay, initial set-up can be a bit thought provoking. Generally, it's only if they start getting into deeper levels that there would be any queries, but they wouldn't be going there without some level of technical know-how to start with. RG Granted, after a couple of months some of the new users might RG see the advantages, Untrue. The advantages are instant. HTML messages no longer signal receipt and vulnerability to email marketers (spammers). Viruses no longer instantly run. Messages go out WYSIWYG - an unseen instant improvement in output formatting. That's just out-of-the-box. No support needed. The whole thing runs faster for the simple user than anything else going. I'd say that the 'advantages' you're talking about are way outside the usage profile of the average email user. As for such users cranking up huge BCC lists ... what's that all about anyway? vbg Are you a spammer? Why do you expect people to do that as an everyday email activity? It doesn't happen in my experience. It happened this week when I sent out my Xmas cards. It happens sometimes when I circulate to my 'Humour' list. I always use the address picker for such things. Works a treat RG maybe even the owners, but certainly not for some time. And in RG the meantime *I* become email-boy, charging for additional tech RG support for 30 people (which owners *HATE*) instead of RG network-man who is on retainer (which owners just hate to pay)! It doesn't happen. Why should it? MDP Not if you reformat them. Either use the recursive wrap MDP template macro published in the Library (which is what I MDP personally use) or manually Alt-L for each paragraph to which MDP you are replying. Erm - whatever happened to trim to MDP context? RG I'll have to look at the recursive wrap template you mention. RG How does it work, what does it do? (I am going to end up with 20 RG templates in my TB! that I'd also have to support for these RG other users!) They go into QT's that are invoked either by hand or included in general reply templates with %QINCLUDE=wrap. The instructions are all there in the macro library: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/Library.html#rewrap RG As for whatever happened to 'trim to context'... LOL :-). RG Trimming only shortens text vertically. You'll still see lines RG get so long across from the constant addition of double, triple, RG and more right arrows (I can't put them in right here or else RG TB! thinks I'm quoting!) at the start of each line that RG eventually emails that have gone back and forth many times the RG quoting becomes problematic. 1) Press Alt-L at the moment of trimming. That usually solves the long line issue. 2) How long does the original comment stay relevant in a chained reply. If you're talking about repeatedly forwarded jokes then I recommend ECleaner, a little app that strips the chevrons and reformats the text for you. Such things are beyond TB's remit. RG Doesn't Windows Explorer use the Micro$oft standard CTRL-Y for RG redo? No. That's not a system-wide 'Redo' key. Ctrl-Shift-Z is sometimes used too. RG It may. I bet NotePad does too. No. RG To me none of this is an excuse for not having a redo feature in RG an editor. shrug just trying to point at that your claim that redo is a 'standard' function is not actually correct. MDP As a rule, most software whose
Re: 2.0 Underwhelmed...
Hi Rich, @22-Dec-2003, 18:29 -0500 (22-Dec 23:29 UK time) rich gregory [RG] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to jwayne: j ... the Ctrl-shift-left arrow keeps everything highlighted and j puts the cursor at the beginning of the field. RG This is one of my BIGGEST complaints with TB. Though I use TB RG myself (and put up with it's numerous oddities) I could never RG recommend this product to any clients as this sort of thing RG (among others) is just too unprofessional. I would certainly not let the way a minor edit field implementation hold me back from heartily recommending TB to anyone, anytime. This is such a tiny flaw compared to more serious issues with the HTML generated by the HTML editor for instance (not that I use it that often) or the loss of folder some have experienced during some of the beta cycles. Compare the usefulness of the header editing area with the sheer power of the always safe HTML rendering, the AB template macro system, regular expression automated data extraction, reliability of the message base. To me, it sounds almost like fussing about the bad design of the indicator stalk in a Ferrari. To deprive people of the recommendation of the power and safety inherent in TB over so petty a problem seems strange to me. j You still can't reformat lots of text at time. Mark, cut, paste formatted. Done. So, yes you can. j Alt-L, ... If you highlight more than one paragraph at a time, j it will join them together and reformat so that doesn't work. ... which is what it is designed to do - re-wrap the marked text into a single paragraph. j Paste Formatted doesn't work at all if the original text has j indentations. That's not my experience. RG Also a big problem with the formatting is that as quoted lines RG get longer and longer with each reply Not if you reformat them. Either use the recursive wrap template macro published in the Library (which is what I personally use) or manually Alt-L for each paragraph to which you are replying. RG (what with all the s getting added) the wrap ceases to RG properly attribute the quote to the proper author. That REALLY RG sucks, especially when you have a very long email to now correct RG the quotes for. Erm - whatever happened to trim to context? j There is undo but no redo. Something that is pretty much j standard in any decent editor these days. RG Again, both are quite unprofessional. That's harsh. Yes, redo should be there I suppose. If I implement an undo function I implement a redo at the same time. But I wouldn't go so far as to say Unprofessional. NotePad has no redo. DOpus has no redo. RegEdit has Neither undo nor redo. Windows Explorer has no redo. As a rule, most software whose main purpose is editing has both undo and redo. TB's main function is mail receive and read, not editing. I'll bet you receive over 10 times the number of mails you write. Undo doesn't figure there. I understand that you have a low opinion with regard to TB and a right to have it. Mine differs. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03.10 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Aargh - new macro problem with 2.0!
Hi Jwayne, @22-Dec-2003, 22:41 -0500 (23-Dec 03:41 UK time) jwayne said: Any work-around? Just touch the message body once. As long as it is modified you can change the TO header at will and it will stick. If the body is unmodified, the template is re-evaluated when you move from header to body to take account of any changes required to the body due to re-addressing. In your case, the template re-evaluation causes the To field to blank. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03.10 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Despatching emails at set -- but different -- times
Hi Iain, @21-Dec-2003, 14:06 Iain D. Brown said: Surely, if you create a Create message entry in the scheduler for each event, they should be distinct and go off one at a time. However, can you please clear up or clarify how one includes specific text for the message's source. As far as I can see, I have to write my message as a Specific Template. Create your message body in the normal way. Copy it. Delete the message. Open the scheduler. Add the event. Paste the message into the Specific Template window. Pretty straight forward really. On a separate note: Please don't reply off and on list. It's only necessary with badly configured *nix style luddite-run lists where they believe that off-list is the norm. When you do it here, it's a killer for the standard reply templates when anyone needs to reply. Look at my intro - no MID references. I had to change my sig too. You made extra work for me and that's not fair g. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03.10 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Despatching emails at set -- but different -- times
Hi Thomas, @21-Dec-2003, 21:26 +0700 (21-Dec 14:26 UK time) Thomas Fernandez said to Marck: You made extra work for me and that's not fair g. You received two messages: one via TBUDL and one by PM. Why didn't you just reply to the TBUDL posting? Would have kept your template intact. ;-) It would have done, but the list version isn't here yet :-(. Did you get one? It's probably been bounced because the list server rejects CC'd messages as potentially fouled up replies. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03.10 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Despatching emails at set -- but different -- times
Hi Iain, @19-Dec-2003, 14:27 Iain D. Brown said: I have been testing using the Scheduler, but find it just sends all the e-mails at the same time. Surely, if you create a Create message entry in the scheduler for each event, they should be distinct and go off one at a time. What's the problem? -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03.10 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Despatching emails at set -- but different -- times
Hi Rich, @19-Dec-2003, 12:09 -0500 (19-Dec 17:09 UK time) rich gregory [RG] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: I have been testing using the Scheduler, but find it just sends all the e-mails at the same time. MDP if you create a Create message entry in the scheduler for MDP each event, they should be distinct and go off one at a time. RG I went in to look at the scheduler but every time I either open RG it or click anything in it I get an error dialog box that says: RG Failed to set calendar selected range Yes. That's a bug. Why not use a version in which that bug was fixed? 2.01 fixed it. 2.02 is current. We're testing 2.03. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03.10 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Adding space between last line and Gnupg 1.2.3. signature
Hi Edgar, @17-Dec-2003, 20:24 +0100 (17-Dec 19:24 UK time) Edgar said to Marck: How can I ad a space between my last line and the signature? Only by introducing a spacing character in the line, as I do here. How do I get it there? is it a Alt combination? (Forgot the code for that one) can you help? I just use the single quote ' character. What's that .. an ASCII 39. Use whatever you want really. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03.10 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Adding space between last line and Gnupg 1.2.3. signature
Hi Edgar, @16-Dec-2003, 20:40 +0100 (16-Dec 19:40 UK time) Edgar said to All: When I switched to the 1.2.3 version of Gnupg, the signature is right under my mailto link. Although I've added some space underneath it the signature will remove it and place it self right behind my message. How can I ad a space between my last line and the signature? Only by introducing a spacing character in the line, as I do here. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03.10 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Adding space between last line and Gnupg 1.2.3. signature
Hi Melissa, @16-Dec-2003, 14:05 -0800 (16-Dec 22:05 UK time) Melissa Reese said to Edgar: There's no need to add an actual character on the line after your actual message. This is not true in the case of using GnuPG via the built-in support. Any blank lines are stripped before the signature is added. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03.10 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: (no subject)
Hi Lynn, @15-Dec-2003, 11:42 -0800 (15-Dec 19:42 UK time) The.Limit said to Roelof: RO Folder template? Following unsub instructions ... sigh I wonder if it worked??? lol! Doubtful. The listserver doesn't read commands sent to the list. You have to send them not to TBUDL@ but to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v2.03.6 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: %ISSIGNATURE - how to use it?
Hi Vishal, @14-Dec-2003, 20:38 -0500 (15-Dec 01:38 UK time) Vishal Nakra said: I've been having problems trying to get this macro to work in my signatures. My quick template storing the signature is called sig. I've tried the following variations so far with no luck: ... snip Can anyone help me out here? %QINCLUDE(sig) .. or .. sig ctrl-space (in real time). Meanwhile, somewhere in 'sig', the macro %ISSIGNATURE appears. Using the %ISSIGNATURE macro in a signature QT allows you to change signatures on-the-fly from anywhere in the message body. Type the sig QT's handle and ctrl-space and the current signature of the message is replaced without moving the cursor. Neat trick! -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v2.03.6 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML not creating links
Hi Ken, @12-Dec-2003, 21:05 -0800 (13-Dec 05:05 UK time) Ken Stuart [KS] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: KS If that same href were attached to a text, it would be KS clickable, so why not make the 77x17 box with the red X KS clickable ? You make good point Kemo Sabe. I agree. KS PS Has this been reported to the bug/enhancement database KS before? I haven't seen it there, but a quick search should unearth the issue if there. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.02.3 CE on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sorting filter question
Hi Gerard, @11-Dec-2003, 13:23 +0100 (11-Dec 12:23 UK time) Gerard said to The: Can someone tell me how I can filter on Intel and not get a positive on Intelligent? The answer is in help for Sorting office - special filter strings. Square brackets [ ] mean that text enclosed by them will be searched for as a phrase. i.e. search for [Jack] will be successful for the sentence Jack is a good man, but not for Jackson guitars are very good for beginners. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v2.02.3 CE on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: %AbToName
Hi Andre, @3-Dec-2003, 17:45 +0100 (03-Dec 16:45 UK time) Andre Wichartz [AW] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to tbudl: AW So %AbToName does nothing at all. Could someone please explain AW why that is Because any changes to the To address (including initial assignment) are no longer completed until the entire reply template is processed in V2. AW and how to fix it? Use %AbOFromName instead. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.01.56 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: %AbToName
Hi Roelof, @3-Dec-2003, 18:38 +0100 (03-Dec 17:38 UK time) Roelof Otten said to Marck: AW and how to fix it? MDP Use %AbOFromName instead. Wouldn't that give the name of the original poster, so Andre would get something like 'Name on Name list-address', while he wanted something like 'Name on Listname list-address' Maybe. Perhaps that was too simplistic. I personally use this for lists: %REM='List TO replacement macro by Marck'%- %_addr='%ABOFROMNamePrefix(%ABOFROMHandle(%ABOFROMName(%OFROMNAME)))%- on %ABOREPLYHANDLE(%ABOREPLYFIRSTNAME) %OREPLYADDR'%- %TO=''%TO='%_addr'%- -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.01.56 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Signature delimiter - Test
Hi Simon, @2-Dec-2003, 22:06 Simon Fincham said to tbudl: Would you like to shoot a message using Pocomail to one of the other TB lists as a test? Sure. I have also tested sending to a friends E-Mail, they use ' Thunderbird ' which seems to handle ' Pocomail ' output OK. Let's see what happens? It failed, as expected. Incorrectly encoded QP. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.01.56 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Mod: Untrimmed reply (was: A taboo question.)
Hi Mark, @29-Nov-2003, 07:37 -0700 (29-Nov 14:37 UK time) Mark Thomas said to Tony: ... snip TB TB Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: TB http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html ... snip I let him use Lookout to send the postcard. I just don't like to open the darn program on my computer. moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Mark. Please trim replies to context. A sure fire indicator that insufficient trimming has been done is that the original signature and list footer remain in the quoted text. Thank you. /moderator -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.01.56 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Posting on ritlabs forum ?
Hi Cedric, @29-Nov-2003, 11:16 -0500 (29-Nov 16:16 UK time) Cedric Fontaine [CF] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: CF I can't find the way to post/reply on The Bat Forum ? I'm CF registered but can't post on The Bat! Forum ? I can post on CF Public Forum shrug we don't support that here. This *is* our forum g. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.01.56 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Keep messages in the base for n days
Hi Mau, @23-Nov-2003, 19:39 +0100 (23-Nov 18:39 UK time) MAU [M] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: M ,- [ Keep messages in the base for n days ] M | The maximum age of a message allowed in the message base. If a message M | is older than this, it will be automatically deleted from the message M | base by Purge command. M `- M I assume message age is calculated from received date. Can anyone M confirm? Allow me :-). I have evidence of a message with a creation date in 1998 that doesn't yet fit the 30 day retention criteria. So TB is clearly using received date for purging information. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.01.49 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Changing the Reply-To Header?
Hi Nick, @19-Nov-2003, 07:27 -0700 (19-Nov 14:27 UK time) Nick Andriash [NA] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to TBUDL: NA Is there something I may have done to change all that? No - it is a sad delusional condition suffered by many *nix list admins who believe that nobody intends to reply to the list by default and that all replies should be sent offline. Fortunately, we in the real world live in enlightened times :-). NA Where in the Options or Account Properties, or Folder NA Properties, or even AB entries... can I check to make sure that NA all future mailings to Mailing Lists carry the List address in NA the Reply-To header? You can't, but you can use a folder level reply template to enforce a reply to the list. Now, I'm usually against such practices because of the dangers and difficulties when sending a reply to a list that *should* have gone privately - or clicking a mailto while the folder has the focus. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.01.26 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Changing the Reply-To Header?
Hi Thomas, @19-Nov-2003, 21:47 +0700 (19-Nov 14:47 UK time) Thomas Fernandez said to Nick: It's a setting in the mailing-list software. Is there something I may have done to change all that? Include the %ReplyTo=[EMAIL PROTECTED] macro in your AB template for that list. That won't help - it will be replaced by the list server. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.01.26 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AB templates for groups
Hi Nick, @19-Nov-2003, 14:53 Nick Dutton said to Thomas: TF AB templates have preference over group templates. Thanks for that, but unfortunately new mails still pick up the default account templates rather than the group. ... auto-complete in the To: box. If I create the message from the group folder in the address book then pop-up the template works properly. Any more ideas? Yes. You have more than one entry for the individuals in question. The other address book entry doesn't have a template and is taking precedence over the one in the group. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.01.26 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Changing the Reply-To Header?
Hi Nick, @19-Nov-2003, 08:29 -0700 (19-Nov 15:29 UK time) Nick Andriash [NA] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Include the %ReplyTo=[EMAIL PROTECTED] macro in your AB template for that list. That won't help - it will be replaced by the list server. I may have been jumping the gun here. If the listserv doesn't touch the ReplyTo then it would be left as the default from TB. NA ... why my own address ended up in that slot. ... which explains that. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.01.26 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AB templates for groups
Hi Thomas, @19-Nov-2003, 22:32 +0700 (19-Nov 15:32 UK time) Thomas Fernandez said to Nick: TF AB templates have preference over group templates. Thanks for that, but unfortunately new mails still pick up the default account templates rather than the group. Oops, that would be a bug, wouldn't it? No - it would be a duplicate AB entry outside of the group. However, upon further investigation,this behaviour relates to auto-complete in the To: box. I confirm this, and still call it a bug. And I still call it a duplicate entry issue. I have this problem often and it sometimes takes me ages to track down the duplicate entry but there always is one and getting rid of it always fixes the problem. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.01.26 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AB templates for groups
Hi Nick, @19-Nov-2003, 17:16 Nick Dutton said to Marck: MDP And I still call it a duplicate entry issue. I have this MDP problem often and it sometimes takes me ages to track down the MDP duplicate entry but there always is one and getting rid of it MDP always fixes the problem. But if I've created a _new_ group from two _new_ contacts? Then it's a bug and I'm talking rubbish :-). ... just as long as you're certain those email addresses really don't appear anywhere else in the AB. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.01.26 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Marck's SpamCop filters : (
Hi David, @18-Nov-2003, 19:13 David Boggon said: I have been trying to set up Marck's SpamCop filters to automatically submit mail to SpamCop on a hotkey command. Trouble is I can't get it to create a message. I just tested it here and it seems to work well. ... snip Is there not an issue in that the option to 'export the message to a file' option in the sorting office is /after/ the 'create message for' option? No. That's just an accident of option-in-dialog order but doesn't affect the sequence of events. Below are the filters I'm using. I would be grateful if someone with this working could have a look. ... snip This is the filter from the account-based sorting office: And this filter is in the sorting office of the appropriate account? This looks very much like what I have here and a quick test shows mine still working. ... snip and this is the filter from the common folder: ... snip While the contents of this filter look right, it's not going to work. Common folders do not have an associated sorting office from which to summon a hotkey sorting office filter. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.01.26 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Security concerns
Hi Roelof, @16-Nov-2003, 15:43 +0100 (16-Nov 14:43 UK time) Roelof Otten said to Marck: Of course complaining about abuse by someone else would be like complaining about a burglar after you've left your front door open with a note on your window that you're gone. Precisely - and, again, hardly a newbie - out of the box vulnerability. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.01.26 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Oh, the auto-complete woes!
Hi Maggie, @15-Nov-2003, 07:27 -0500 (15-Nov 12:27 UK time) mm Meister [MM] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Bats: MM ... the auto complete adds the other people that were sent the MM previous time ... There is another way. In the Preferences dialog on the System page there is an option to limit auto-complete to address book only and exclude the history. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.01.26 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Archiving again!
Hi Allie, @15-Nov-2003, 08:18 -0500 (15-Nov 13:18 UK time) Allie Martin [A] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Barry: BH A valid name should be specified for the alternative deletion BH folder A I just setup my TBUDL folder and got no such errors here. ... while I am completely unable to enter any name in that field at all. It remains stubbornly unwilling to accept anything I type. And yes, I did select the Move to specified folder radio button before starting. BH I have used the Browse button to fill in the folder name. ... and my browse button does nothing. Hmmm. Looks like there is something very not always about the implementation of this field. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.01.26 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Move messages older than 30 days
Hi Tb, @15-Nov-2003, 09:12 -0600 (15-Nov 15:12 UK time) [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: ... snip tko move the messages into a subfolder called old if they are tko older than 30 days without conflicting with each other. You've got several options: ... snip Pick your choice, this all TB can do for you. (And that I can think of, but then I should be in bed after working all night.) I was just hoping for something better. There is the global Deletion action to allow you to move purged messages to an alternate folder of your choice. This is also available on a per-folder basis. Much better! Is a plugin API planned? A simple embedded scripting language? I'd be all over many of my problems if I could write a script or plugin to address them. There is a plugin API. Any plug-in developers are encouraged to join the TBDEV list to commune with the plug-in writing community. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.01.26 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Move messages older than 30 days
Hi William, @15-Nov-2003, 18:09 William Sigmund [WS] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: MDP There is the global Deletion action to allow you to move MDP purged messages to an alternate folder of your choice. This is MDP also available on a per-folder basis. Much better! WS Could you explain how to do this? Yes. 1) Upgrade to v2. 2) Set the folder property. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.01.26 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Security concerns
Hi Rich, @15-Nov-2003, 16:42 -0500 (15-Nov 21:42 UK time) rich gregory [RG] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Roelof: RO Apart from that, there are no security issues for TB. TB RO doesn't do anything unless you tell it so. RG I ask because (though TB! does do stuff I've told it to in it's RG macro language) my primary concern, I suppose, is that someone RG may SEND ME a TB macro that gets executed. TB macros are only executed when TB evaluates a template. If you have a template that refers to macros in a disk file in your attachments folder then conceivably someone could send you a malicious macro and the very next time you evoke a template (for a reply, auto-responder, new message, confirmation or forward) it could execute the malicious code. BUT!!! 1) The person sending you the code would have to know the name of the file you use. 2) You would have to have had your brain removed to write such a template that calls upon a file in the attachments folder in the first place - and then *told* someone about it! No, this is so far beyond the realms of possibility that it's not worth thinking about, let alone losing sleep over. It's the fact that macros are only executed when a template is evaluated that is key to this. This seldom happens without you instigating it. The exception is a filter action. It's up to you not to code any filters that call upon easily accessible and obvious disk files. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.01.26 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Move messages older than 30 days
Hi Tb, @15-Nov-2003, 16:19 -0600 (15-Nov 22:19 UK time) [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: My messages are gone, not in Trash and not in the subfolder 'old'. I can only commend the habit of taking a backup before embarking on a newfangled 'purge' adventure. Other than that, I can only guess that your messages have bit the big one. :-( -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.01.26 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
