Hi Rich, @23-Dec-2003, 15:21 -0500 (23-Dec 20:21 UK time) rich gregory [RG] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck:
MDP>> This is such a tiny flaw compared to RG> Tiny? I'll give you "small"! There are times when I have a heck RG> of a lot of email addresses on the BCC: line that need to be RG> trimmed and this can be a huge (give me "appreciable"?) RG> frustration, ... <snip> What ... you never discovered the address picker????? No wonder you're so frustrated. Just click the little man icon at the end of the BCC line. Use the picker to throw out addresses from a line that long. It's so easy that way! Alternatively, I could copy the line to a real editor to work on that much text. Edit boxes were never built to handle that much text. Hence the address picker. Which works great. RG> The part that strikes me as unprofessional Maybe it strikes you that way, but I *am* a professional and I happen to understand why it is like it is. That's edit fields for ya! <g> RG> is that this is an old reported problem that (not being a RG> programmer myself) ought to be easy to fix! It's not as it happens. It's a problem within an edit box control, which is like a 'Name' entry box on a form. Edit boxes are awkward at best of times, not like a textbox or edit window, which are completely different and much easier to control. ... <snip> RG> .. the owners would then become quite unhappy with the loss of RG> productivity from the employees' learning curve issues. Well, the companies into which I have recommended TB have no such issues. I get maybe 4 calls a year from them about TB. As a one-for-one OE replacement, there's hardly any learning curve. Okay, initial set-up can be a bit thought provoking. Generally, it's only if they start getting into deeper levels that there would be any queries, but they wouldn't be going there without some level of technical know-how to start with. RG> Granted, after a couple of months some of the new users might RG> see the advantages, Untrue. The advantages are instant. HTML messages no longer signal receipt and vulnerability to email marketers (spammers). Viruses no longer instantly run. Messages go out WYSIWYG - an unseen instant improvement in output formatting. That's just out-of-the-box. No support needed. The whole thing runs faster for the simple user than anything else going. I'd say that the 'advantages' you're talking about are way outside the usage profile of the average email user. As for such users cranking up huge BCC lists ... what's that all about anyway? <vbg> Are you a spammer? Why do you expect people to do that as an everyday email activity? It doesn't happen in my experience. It happened this week when I sent out my Xmas cards. It happens sometimes when I circulate to my 'Humour' list. I always use the address picker for such things. Works a treat RG> maybe even the owners, but certainly not for some time. And in RG> the meantime *I* become email-boy, charging for additional tech RG> support for 30 people (which owners *HATE*) instead of RG> network-man who is on retainer (which owners just hate to pay)! It doesn't happen. Why should it? MDP>> Not if you reformat them. Either use the recursive wrap MDP>> template macro published in the Library (which is what I MDP>> personally use) or manually Alt-L for each paragraph to which MDP>> you are replying. Erm - whatever happened to "trim to MDP>> context"? RG> I'll have to look at the recursive wrap template you mention. RG> How does it work, what does it do? (I am going to end up with 20 RG> templates in my TB! that I'd also have to support for these RG> other users!) They go into QT's that are invoked either by hand or included in general reply templates with %QINCLUDE="wrap". The instructions are all there in the macro library: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/Library.html#rewrap RG> As for "whatever happened to 'trim to context'"... LOL :-). RG> Trimming only shortens text vertically. You'll still see lines RG> get so long across from the constant addition of double, triple, RG> and more right arrows (I can't put them in right here or else RG> TB! thinks I'm quoting!) at the start of each line that RG> eventually emails that have gone back and forth many times the RG> quoting becomes problematic. 1) Press Alt-L at the moment of trimming. That usually solves the long line issue. 2) How long does the original comment stay relevant in a chained reply. If you're talking about repeatedly forwarded jokes then I recommend ECleaner, a little app that strips the chevrons and reformats the text for you. Such things are beyond TB's remit. RG> Doesn't Windows Explorer use the Micro$oft standard CTRL-Y for RG> redo? No. That's not a system-wide 'Redo' key. Ctrl-Shift-Z is sometimes used too. RG> It may. I bet NotePad does too. No. RG> To me none of this is an excuse for not having a redo feature in RG> an editor. <shrug> just trying to point at that your claim that redo is a 'standard' function is not actually correct. MDP>> As a rule, most software whose main purpose is editing has MDP>> both undo and redo. TB's main function is mail receive and MDP>> read, not editing. I'll bet you receive over 10 times the MDP>> number of mails you write. Undo doesn't figure there. RG> My email does need to be an efficent editor as (not counting the RG> 90% that are spam) I send *way* more emails than I receive. I ask again ... are you a spammer? <g> You get at least 30 mails a day from this list alone. I'll bet it's not the only list you're on. And you write more mails than that??? RG> Maybe this is why I have these (minor) issues that you do not RG> care about? The body and the header editing have been a sore RG> spot for me since adopting TB! as I require these features quite RG> often. Address picker. Try it. You'll love it. You'll kick yourself. ... <snip> RG> Perhaps this is one reason I am not liked so well here it would RG> (sometimes) seem, but that is OK. Oh, I don't think that like or dislike comes into it. 'Disagree with' is where it goes I reckon ;-). RG> Remember, perhaps after discussion we'll have found something RG> can/should be 'fixed' thereby, in the end, making for a better, RG> much more polished product that we can champion to EVERYBODY, RG> not just power users. Good point, well made! -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03.10 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 '
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