MACRO list in TB! help file
Hello TBUDL, Does anyone know whether the MACRO list in the latest help file distributed with TB! is current and exhaustive? -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #12276. Who Wen Dig Eros? ¶ TB! 4.2.6 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB Hangs
Hello Tim, This is what you said on Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:57:59 -0700 your time: This must not be happening to anyone else except me? Anyone have any solutions to what might be going on? I am using TB! 4.2.6 and FF 3.0.11 on WinXP Pro SP3. I'm using Avast AV, with Webshield disabled, because it gave me problems. I'm also using Comdodo Firewall, no Comdodo AV installed. TB! loads links in FF without a problem here - I only use IE via FF IETab plugin. I'm guessing it may not be a TB! issue you have! Sometimes Firewalls and AV software can cause issues like you describe. Also, for troubleshooting purposes, try the following: * try temporarily disabling the update checks in FF. Just uncheck the three top boxes. Settings in FF: http://privateofcourse.co.uk/share/tb_hang_01.png * try disabling the Default browser check, to see if that makes any difference. Uncheck System Defaults. Settings in FF: http://privateofcourse.co.uk/share/tb_hang_02.png HTH -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #29589. Now Shew Dig Ore? ¶ TB! 4.2.6 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB Hangs
Hello Mark, This is what you said on Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:29:29 +0159 your time: Ouch! The one that always falls asleep! ??? I don't know what you mean. Could you elucidate? (I'm curious now). Try COMODO instead. It's much more responsive! :-) When you say 'much more responsive', in what way exactly? -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #24384. Woe Rig New Hods? ¶ TB! 4.2.6 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB Hangs
Hello Mark, This is what you said on Thu, 9 Jul 2009 18:14:33 +0200 your time: Apparently it did not occur to you that you wrote (twice) ComDodo instead of Comodo. Well I'm blowed, no, I didn't even notice that I'd typed that! Doh! Or even Doh! Doh! Maybe there's some deeper hidden meaning to it...or maybe not, and I'm just a careless 'typer'. Hmm, I wonder which it is? :-D Oh well, perhaps it's not that strange that you didn't get it, especially if the word dodo only makes you think of the species of birds that has died out. Well, yes, you're right, if I'd noticed it, I would have only thought of the extinct bird, indeed. When talking to children in Dutch (actually I don't know if the Dutch use it, the Flemish do) one can say dodo doen (from the French faire dodo) instead of: to sleep... Ahh, now I see...and all is now clear :-D That's very good actually, and if I'd understood it first off I'd have laughed then, and it wouldn't have taken until after you'd explained it to me ;-) Greetings from a Comodo/Nod32 user (on 2 PC's, that is, the other 5 have KIS (Kaspersky) installed). :-D I'm still a cheapskate! -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #36968. Hi Sow Go Wed Ern? ¶ TB! 4.2.6 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Headers and hyphens
Hello Robin, This is what you said on Wed, 8 Jul 2009 11:14:58 +1000 your time: No, you need to use the macro %Setheader.(X-Newheader,string=n). The syntax you tried does not accept special characters (including -) That would explain it. Thankyou. -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #35029. We Oho In Wed Gsr? ¶ TB! 4.2.6 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Headers and hyphens
Hello Arjan, This is what you said on Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:43:04 +0200 your time: It's a little bit unfortunate however, that this macro is still recommended in the Message Headers setup screen of the latest Beta! Release version. Yes, that's exactly where I got it from, Arjan. And I'm surprised then that it hasn't bee changed given that the macro has been superseded. -- Simon (Privateofcourse) # 9578. We Go Sworn Hied? ¶ TB! 4.2.6 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Headers and hyphens
Hello TBUDL, Is there some particular way to use a hyphen in a new TB! header? If you want to add, for example, 'X-Newheader' to your message headers, and you use %HDRX-Newheader with a value of string=n in your template, you'd add the following, right? %HDRX-Newheader=string=n Tried this but it breaks the macro at the hyphen, so the header isn't added and in the actual message body I see: -Newheader=string=n How do I get around this? Thanks. -- Simon (Privateofcourse) # 2577. I News Go Whored? ¶ TB! 4.2.6 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Protocol logging and date
Hello Roelof, This is what you said on Sat, 4 Jul 2009 18:09:47 +0200 your time: The contents of the sent or received messages might give you some idea of the date of the transaction. The protocol log is intended for problem hunting, not for keeping permanent stats. Well, for starters, I'm not using protocol logging for keeping permanent stats. I'm actually using it for it's intended purpose, 'problem hunting'. As I've been monitoring a problem POP3 mailbox for the last week, due to intermittent 10060 errors, I wanted to be able to identify the date and time of the errors so that the hosting company could check their own logs. And as I've left TB! up and running for this purpose, it would have been good to be able to differentiate between days. There is not really any good reason not to add the date as well as the time to the logging. -- Simon (Privateofcourse) # 1989. Dew Grew Shoo-In? ¶ TB! 4.2.6 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Protocol Logging: date in logs
Hello TBUDL, This is a duplicate thread, apologies. Been having problems with mail reaching the list. Please ignore this. -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #12560. Wow E'er Nod Gish? ¶ TB! 4.2.6 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sorry: a test
Hello Jack, This is what you said on Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:25:52 -0500 your time: You might have to go on the web to your TBUDL mailing list membership configuration page and enable the Mail delivery option to get your postings sent to you as well as the rest of the list members. That's already enabled. I've been receiving mail from the list today; mail I'd sent to the list a few days ago all suddenly got delivered to the list today and to me. Don't know why that is, just glad that things seem like they're back to 'normal'. :-) -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #30157. Win Show Gee Rod? ¶ TB! 4.2.6 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Protocol logging and date
Hello MFPA, This is what you said on Sun, 5 Jul 2009 15:58:22 +0100 your time: Presumably you can correlate the info in the protocol log with that in the account log and work it out from there? Yes, indeed. I could do as you suggest. I don't know how frequent you are attempting to collect from this POP box but if several times a day, it will be evident when the next day has started. (-; Regularly. And as I've left TB! up and running for this purpose, it would have been good to be able to differentiate between days. Life's not always easy. Thanks for the aphorism :-D You could always request this under The Bat! wishes at https://www.ritlabs.com/bt and see what happens. Yes, I'll do that, thanks. 'No point sitting on my hands' ;-) -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #33301. Nod O'er Hew Wigs? ¶ TB! 4.2.6 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Protocol logging and date
Hello TBUDL, Is there any way to enable the date in the protocol logging logs? The time is displayed but no date. -- Simon (Privateofcourse) # 2419. Dor Weighs On We? ¶ TB! 4.2.6 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Protocol logging and date
Hello Roelof, This is what you said on Sat, 4 Jul 2009 18:09:47 +0200 your time: The contents of the sent or received messages might give you some idea of the date of the transaction. The protocol log is intended for problem hunting, not for keeping permanent stats. Well, for starters, I'm not using protocol logging for keeping permanent stats. I'm actually using it for it's intended purpose, 'problem hunting'. As I've been monitoring a problem POP3 mailbox for the last week, due to intermittent 10060 errors, I wanted to be able to identify the date and time of the errors so that the hosting company could check their own logs. And as I've left TB! up and running for this purpose, it would have been good to be able to differentiate between days. There is not really any good reason not to add the date as well as the time to the logging. -- Simon (Privateofcourse) # 1989. Dew Grew Shoo-In? ¶ TB! 4.2.6 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Protocol Logging: date in logs
Hello TBUDL, Is there any way to enable the date in the protocol logging logs? The time is displayed but no date. And also, is it possible to obfuscate the password in the logs, or prevent it from being shown? -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #19147. Wen Owe Gird Soh? ¶ TB! 4.2.6 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sorry: a test
Hi, This is what you said on Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:36:10 -0400 your time: My hosting service reports no problems after I enquired. This arrived on the list Thanks. After more problems I opted to move my domain elsewhere, and not it's hosted in a different part of the world to where it was. Unfortunately, I'm still having problems. I'm recieving mail from the list but mail I send isn't getting to the list. Of course if this gets to the list it'll be luck. Think I'll have to email Marck. -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #22754. Hie Grow Wed Son? ¶ TB! 4.2.6 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sorting Office: Subfilters
Hello Roelof, This is what you said on Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:50:31 +0200 your time: Off hand I can't think of any example where using 'continue processing' isn't contra-productive. Well I created a main filter, set the condition for it to Any Message, and then added sub filters to that. All triggered normall and worked without a hitch, moving emails to respective folders. Later, I created a new filter below this main filter in the filter list which I set up for my other subscriptions. This filter was not triggered however. So after a while I went back to the main filter above it with the sub filters and activated continue process with other filters, just as an experiment. The filter below then worked and sorted the emails. So it's obviously of use for this reason. -- Simon (Privateofcourse) TB! 4.2.6 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inbox organisation: folders inside or outside?
Hello MFPA, This is what you said on Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:37:39 +0100 your time: ...and you have to click them a lot ;-) Why do you have to click them a lot? Surely you only click on the folders that have new message... No worried, it was my (obviously failed) attempt at humour. That is, you said: There are pluses and minuses to that. So I was referring to the visual pluses and minuses that you click to expand and minimise the folder tree. Yeah, I know! If you've got a load of nested folders of course it's a lot more clicking :-) -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #24383. Rig Owe New Hods? ¶ TB! 4.2.6 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Sorting Office: Subfilters
Hello TBUDL, Although a long time user of TB! I've never used subfilters. I belong to a number of lists, including this one, so I want to 'group' the filters for all lists under one main filter rather than having separate filters in the filter list for each one. Can I create a filter without any condition/action, other than to continue processing other filters? Would this be a 'proper' way to configure a filter? To be clear: Filter: Lists No conditions Continue processing other filters Subfilter: lists.one Condition: Header Field: Envelope-to: lists.one@ Continue processing other filters Subfilter: lists.two Condition: Header Field: Envelope-to: lists.two@ Continue processing other filters Subfilter: lists.three Condition: Header Field: Envelope-to: lists.three@ Continue processing other filters etc. Is this a 'proper' way to do it? -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #24383. Rig Owe New Hods? ¶ TB! 4.2.4 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inbox organisation: folders inside or outside?
Hello Rick, This is what you said on Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:08:49 -0400 your time: Hello TBUDL, JOOC, where do TB! users create their folders? Inside or outside of the Inbox? I create all mine outside the Inbox. There are pluses and minuses to that. Yes, there are...and you have to click them a lot ;-) One good way that has been pointed out is to have a VIRTUAL inbox outside the inboxes that shows the content of all your inboxes then folders beneath that to which you sort mail as needed Sounds interesting. I must confess to pretty much ignoring the virtual folders feature up until now. I dabbled a while back then reverted to a more 'traditional' set up. Old habits I suppose. -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #24383. Rig Owe New Hods? ¶ TB! 4.2.6 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inbox organisation: folders inside or outside?
Hello MFPA, This is what you said on Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:29:09 +0100 your time: Mine are all outside of the inbox. Seems that the outsiders are in the majority :-) Well, if it works for her and does what she wants it to... Yeah, very true! Who am I to meddle... When I first got a PC and used Outlook Express, my folders were all outside the inbox. It would not have occurred to me to put them inside the Inbox, even though I nested some of my folders inside other related ones. Me neither. It would also not have occurred to me to look for a guide to tell me how to organise my folders (-; She's a little bit OCD, so it doesn't surprise me at all. I recently worked with somebody who created folders within the inbox in Outlook. The rest of us who shared that computer would always move them out for her and put them with the rest of the folders. This was not just me, as sometimes I would decide I was moving it later, then find it already moved the next time I looked at Outlook. You just can't help some people ;-) [...] meaning the messagebase files are accessed for a very large number of read/write operations, which increases the possibility of the messagebase becoming corrupted. That's what was crossing my mind... A sub-folder within the Inbox is still a distinct folder with its own messagebase files, so should still guard against this eventuality - IMHO. ...but I didn't think of that obvious answer! And of course, you must be correct. Same here. In fact, all my inboxes contain zero messages Yup, exactly the same here. -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #24383. Rig Owe New Hods? ¶ TB! 4.2.6 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inbox organisation: folders inside or outside?
Hello Thomas, This is what you said on Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:38:28 +0700 your time: Any new folder will be under (inside) the Inbox. when I realise that the traffic is significant, it will be moved outside. Folders that are outside might be moved inside if the traffic is little. That's different...well, to me I mean. Reason is that high traffic folders are reacheed easier when they are shown outside. I have foolders named 'Inbox - news', 'Inbox - voicemail', 'Inbox - fax' and 'Inbox - sms' directly under the account Inbox. Under them I have a folder called Lists, and inside them dedicated folders for lists. All my other folders are grouped and nested below them in the account tree. So yes, I get that, as I have moved all the busier folders just below the Inbox. However, too many folders shown outside makes the account tree view too long, and a lot of scrolling is involved, so low-traffic folders are better located under the Inbox. Yeah, that's the problem with the folder metaphor though. I can't stop creating related folders and new categories. I'm always pruning and merging groups so that the scrolling and navigation is less cumbersome. ;-) I use Incoming filters (and Outgoing filters, should be combined...) rather than Read filters. I have a feeling your paradigm favours Read filters. From what I posted I can see why you came to that conclusion. It does rather indicate that I use read filters. However, I don't really, preferring to use incoming and outgoing filtering and manually sorting / deleting other stuff that is left. -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #24383. Rig Owe New Hods? ¶ TB! 4.2.6 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sorting Office: Subfilters
Hello Roelof, This is what you said on Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:50:31 +0200 your time: A filter without conditions won't be triggered by any message, Yes, that's exactly what I would have thought. However... I tested earlier and created a filter without any conditions and added three sub filters, moving various email to three different folders. I manually ran the filter and the subfilters worked. Looking at the sorting office, I found that TB! adds back a Sender Contains [ ] condition, even after you delete it and okay it. So this condition is obviously deliberately or inadvertently met, and so it works. what you need is a filter that's triggered only by message list messages. My suggestion would be to add all list addresses to a single address book group and and check whether the To header is part of that AB group. Yes, I've done this before with something else. And your method is of course more elegant than the way I'm doing it, for sure. And forget about 'continue processing with other filters', that's not necessary here, neither in the parent nor in the sub-filters. What the 'continue...' option does, is taking care that after a message triggers a filter [...] Ahh, okay, thanks. I've always checked it as I wasn't completely sure (ambiguous to me) whether it meant something else. But clear now about its function, cheers. Off hand I can't think of any example where using 'continue processing' isn't contra-productive. I'll no longer be using it. P Would this be a 'proper' way to configure a filter? Not quite. Okay. It would work. Yeah, found that out. A few notes. You're testing against the 'Envelope-to:' header, my guess is that that's added by your ISP and it mentions the intended recipient. Well, yes, but JFTR, it'll be my hosting company rather than my ISP...don't use ISP mail servers at all. When somebody sends you an off list message to your list address that will be sorted to your list folder. Yeah, that's a good point actually. In itself not a big issue, but your reply to it might be coloured differently when you'd realize that it's a private message. I can see the potential for a 'hiccup' there ;-). Therefore I wouldn't filter on the address it has been sent to, but I'd use a header that's added/altered by the list. That's how I used to do it, for years. Only recently changed it as well. I'll change it back :-D -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #24383. Rig Owe New Hods? ¶ TB! 4.2.6 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Sorry: a test
Hello TBUDL, This is a test. List mail has not been reaching me. Checked the TBUDL archive and replies have been made to my posts...but I haven't had them. Started happening a couple of weeks back. TBUDL mailing list membership configuration page shows a bounce level of 1.0. My hosting service reports no problems after I enquired. -- Simon (Privateofcourse) # 6352. Hewed Swoon Rig? ¶ TB! 4.2.4 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Inbox organisation: folders inside or outside?
Hello TBUDL, JOOC, where do TB! users create their folders? Inside or outside of the Inbox? I was visiting a friend last night and noticed that she'd created folders inside of her email client's Inbox. There were quite a few folders in there as well. She's an Outlook Express user, and won't budge from it. I commented on the folders and she said that she'd followed an online guide, and sure enough, there's a How-to available showing OE users how to do it. In fact there are a number of guides for OE users describing this method of organization. Do you think there are any good or valid reasons for not creating subfolders within Inboxes, and specifically, the TB! Inbox? I've always created them outside of the Inbox, rather seeing the Inbox as a metaphor for an in-tray, so a temporary area that you sort out and then file stuff elsewhere. Anyhow... -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #12472. Row Wed Neo Gish? ¶ TB! 4.2.4 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Defining the increment method for extracted attachments
Hello TBUDL, Is there any way to manually define how TB! increments the names of extracted attachments? I've got filters set up for voicemail, FAX, and SMS which move these incoming messages to their respective TB! folders and then extract their attachments to corresponding folders on my hard drive. It is bugging me though as the files don't logically increment. I archive my voicemail each month and so the incrementation process begins all over again. Here's the list of the incremented voicemail files this month: archived convert.exe msg(1).WAV msg(2).WAV msg(3).WAV msg(4).WAV msg(5).WAV msg(6).WAV msg(7).WAV msg(8).WAV msg(9).WAV msg(10).WAV msg(11).WAV msg(12).WAV msg(13).WAV msg(14).WAV msg(15).WAV msg.WAV msg0001(1).WAV msg0001(2).WAV msg0001(3).WAV msg0001(4).WAV msg0001(5).WAV msg0001(6).WAV msg0001.WAV msg0002(1).WAV msg0002(2).WAV msg0002(3).WAV msg0002.WAV msg0003.WAV msg0004.WAV msg0005(1).WAV msg0005.WAV msg0006.WAV msg0007.WAV msg0008.WAV msg0009.WAV msg0010.WAV msg0011.WAV msg0012.WAV msg0013.WAV msg0014.WAV msg0015.WAV msg0016.WAV This is not useful in any respect. Anyone got any tips or suggestions? -- Simon (Privateofcourse) # 9025. We Row Snide Hog? ¶ TB! 4.2.4 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inbox organisation: folders inside or outside?
Hello Ian, This is what you said on Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:56:55 +1000 your time: [...]The reason is that they are incoming messages that are current. If I want to archive messages then they go into folders that are NOT off the Inbox. Okay, I follow your logic, but then how long does a message stay current before it is flagged for archiving? And do you manually or automatically archive? Or is it archiving rarely done but often thought about ;-) Now this is not because I used Outlook or Outlook Express. I have NEVER used them. It just seems to be a logical way to set folders up. Yeah, sorry about that. It does sort of read like I was suggesting that only Outlook and OE users would stoop to such a practise. It is a bit like having folders off My Documents to store other data files. Some have them all off the root folder. Again, I had a documents folder off the root folder with my data folders off that documents folder long before it ever became a standard with Windows. Good explanation. I actually loathe and detest the My Documents folder, but then that's not the point as I completely see where you are coming from :)) In the grand scheme of things, it does not matter what you do as long as you have some logic behind it. Yeah, true enough. Whatever works for you is about right. Having related folders grouped can make things easier when it comes to searching or backing up. [...] Indeed, and sadly I'm a bit of an 'organis-a-holic' so the depths/levels to my related folders often become quite unwieldilyI do have to rein in and simplify. My wife says it's a curse...on her! lol -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #10340. Drew Go In Whose? ¶ TB! 4.2.4 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Duplicated and lost folders
Hello TBUDL, Earlier I was dragging some folders around in TB! using CTRL+ALT to make them subfolders, and suddenly noticed that the folders I had dragged to the new location had actually duplicated. In fact, when I renamed the original folders and the folder copies the corresponding folder names changed to match. Somehow the folders were displaying in the old location and the new location. Closing TB! and reopening did nothing, and neither did running the tasks in the maintenance centre. So I decided to delete the folders in the new location and then open and close TB! and of course the original folders were gone as well :-/ Luckily I had a backup made an hour before to restore the two folders. However, on opening TB! again I also noticed that eight folders had mysteriously vanished. I did the SHIFT+CTRL+ALT+L trick and the folders were found and recovered. Dragging folders in TB! has always been a bit of buggy affair but I thought this situation would have improved by now. And why can't the lost folder SHIFT+CTRL+ALT+L trick be integrated into the maintenance centre? Surely that would make sense? This did annoy me a bit more than usual...but then it is hot and clammy here. -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #16829. His Now Owe Dreg? ¶ TB! 4.2.4 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
The Bat! and Avast's Antivirus plugin (AvBatEx.bav)
Hello TBUDL, I'm using: The Bat! 4.24 Professional with Avast 4.8 Home Edition Build: Feb2009 (4.8.1355) and Avast's The Bat! plugin. As a rule I use Avast's The Bat! AV plugin for scanning incoming and outgoing messages. However, the plugin seems to have stopped working. In TB!'s account logs I see: --begin-- 22/06/2009, 18:37:38: FETCH - Received message from nos...@address.co.uk, size: 1079 bytes, subject: Subject Here 22/06/2009, 18:37:38: ANTIVIRUS - Examining the incoming POP3 mail message for viruses 22/06/2009, 18:37:38: ANTIVIRUS - No antivirus plugins are installed to check the object for viruses --end-- and --begin-- 22/06/2009, 18:35:43: SEND - sending mail message(s) - 1 message(s) in queue 22/06/2009, 18:35:43: ANTIVIRUS - Checking for viruses outgoing message from nos...@address.co.uk to fri...@theiraddress.co.uk, size: 679, date: Monday, June 22, 2009 6:35:43 PM, subject: Friendly Subject 22/06/2009, 18:35:43: ANTIVIRUS - No antivirus plugins are installed to check the object for viruses --end-- However, the latest Avast plugin for The Bat! is correctly installed and configured! I've reinstalled the plugin manually, and via Avast's installer. Still no success. I also did a manual Virus check of one account and folder tree from within The Bat! to see what happened then and this was the result: --begin-- The anti-virus has reported an error, the object cannot be checked for viruses The anti-virus has reported an error, the object cannot be checked for viruses The anti-virus has reported an error, the object cannot be checked for viruses The anti-virus has reported an error, the object cannot be checked for viruses The anti-virus has reported an error, the object cannot be checked for viruses The anti-virus has reported an error, the object cannot be checked for viruses Checking finished. Found 1131 infected messages out of 1131 checked ones. --end-- The above result occurs for any accounts and folders within The Bat! The messages are _not_ infected however. It would seem that the Avast plugin just isn't compatible with the latest version of The Bat! Maybe it could be something to do with the recent message base changes? What do you think? At the moment I have switched to Avast's Internet Mail on access scanner and removed the Avast plugin. Does anyone else use Avast's The Bat! plugin? Have you noticed these problems? There are no warnings to give you any indication that the problem exists, other than when checking account logs and manually doing a virus check within TB! -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #34643. Nog Ire Wows Edh? ¶ TB! 4.2.4 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! and Avast's Antivirus plugin (AvBatEx.bav)
Hello Volker, This is what you said on Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:15:00 +0200 your time: I think you mean 4.2.4. ;-) Indeed I did! I think your problem is quite similar to this one: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=7549 Yes, it does doesn't it. Thanks, I've just reported it as an issue: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=7639 -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #18733. Wow On Rids Ghee? ¶ TB! 4.2.4 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: anti-SPAM solutions
Hello Raymond and Jens, This is what you both said on Mon, 15 Jun 2009: AntispamSniper [...] Thanks, I'll take a look myself first, and then assess whether saying nothing would be better (for me) than suggesting it ;-) -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #23818. God Hews No Weir? ¶ TB! 4.2.4 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: anti-SPAM solutions
Hello Chrille, This is what you said on Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:21:21 +0200 your time: I use Antispamsniper Pro and I'm extremely satisfied with it. I believe they have a free edition as well. Thanks, I'll take a look at the free version :-) JOOC, does it not 'stick in your craw' that by buying a solution *you* have ended up picking up the tab for dealing with SPAM? It rather seems to me that we have a situation where the SPAMer is on the make, the solution provider is on the make, and everyone else forms the big pocket that both parties want to dip into. This may seem a bit cynical, but there ya go ;-) -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #21123. Row Gown Die Hes? ¶ TB! 4.2.4 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: anti-SPAM solutions
Hello Paul, This is what you said on Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:47:13 +1000 your time: I get nearly all spam, do not use an external filter yet. My ISP offers free spam filtering, so I use this. It stops the download of 60% to 70%. I use internal mail filters along these lines: [...snip...] Thanks for the detailed info. Interesting method. I personally use the old way of creating company / contact specific email aliases: everyone has their own contact email address IOW. Of course this means creating forwarders for every new contact, but then you can identify immediately where SPAM has come from...and inform whoever it is that has leaked the email address that they've got a problem. I also then delete the forwarder for them and give them a new, 'clean' alias/contact email address. For this purpose I use a separate domain name to my personal (friends and family only IOW) one, and of course there is a default address that I give out if I can't set up a new forwarder for someone/a contact there and then. When I'm next at my PC I'll set up a new forwarder for whoever it is and send them an email asking them to update their contact details. I also create a monthly temp alias with a 8 digit code. Eg. temp.yu854...@domain.co.uk and use this for all other contact forms and such like. Every month I simply delete the alias and create a new one, excluding the temp address, this particular setup is near as dammit 100% SPAM free. My personal email does get occasional SPAM, and I keep having to update the filters in cPanel. But I've just been reading about the free Comodo AntiSpam software, which is a free challenge and response system. This 'looks' promising, and may be the solution I've been looking for my personal communications. -- Simon (Privateofcourse) # 9200. I Hog Wend Sower? ¶ TB! 4.2.4 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
anti-SPAM solutions
Hello TBUDL, What do TB! users consider to be the 1) the best external SPAM management solution for TB! users? 2) the best internal SPAM management solution for TB! users? First, this isn't for me, as I manage SPAM via convoluted email practises and via cPanel, and so for a lot of years now I've not had much of a problem with SPAM - well of course I do get a few bits of SPAM every now and then, but only enough to be slightly irritated by them getting through. This question is really for friends and family that I've converted to TB! over the years. Many of them use their ISP mail accounts, and the like, and so and are after alternative solutions to dealing with SPAM. As I've not used any of the TB! plugins or used the external solutions, like SPAMPAL and Mailwasher Pro for some time, I thought I'd ask people with more up-to-date experiences. I've done a bit of leg work, but it seems to me that the majority of so-called 'SPAM blocker/stopper' solutions don't and can't really do anything other than allow you to manage SPAM after-the-fact. That is, SPAM isn't actually blocked or stopped at all, but is managed after it has been received. But nonetheless, I suspect that for some this is better than nothing at all. I think the emphasis though must be on free solutions. -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #18866. Her Wow Gins Oed? ¶ TB! 4.2.4 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Account tree at start up
Hello Robin, This is what you said on Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:00:45 +1000 your time: So for me the problem is now resolved. Actually, rereading my last reply I can see that it could be a bit misleading. I actually didn't have the problem of TB! always expanding the same account to begin withwell I did a while back but not now. That is, TB! was properly remembering which accounts were previously expanded. I was just curious as to how the last view state was recorded by TB! as deleting the FolderTabs.CDB didn't force TB! to display a default view state, but the last state when I closed TB! So removing the FolderTabs.CDB may fix the problem with TB! always expanding certain accounts, but it seems that some extra info is being stored elsewhere...in the registry perhaps. Not that I wish to drag this topic out needlessly. -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #37362. Do New She Or Wig? ¶ TB! 4.1.11 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Account tree at start up
Hello Marck, This is what you said on Wed, 27 May 2009 11:18:21 +0100 your time: The bug was introduced whereby the layout was no longer saved. The last layout saved before the bug was introduced is now a permanent folder expansion layout for my account tree. So presumably this saved information is actually stored somewhere and therefore can be deleted? -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #18103. Oed Iww Hog Erns? ¶ TB! 4.1.11 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Account tree at start up
Hello Alain, This is what you said on Sat, 30 May 2009 17:15:05 +0200 your time: yep, look at %APPDATA%\The Bat!\FolderTabs.CDB I've got my message base and the TB! installation folder on a TrueCrypt volume so the %APPDATA% folder was empty, nothing in it re RIT or TB! However, I found the file under my TB! message base, and backed it up before deleting it. Deleting the file did not have any effect on TB! remembering the last expanded account. E.g. I expanded the last account in my account tree (there are six account) and a few of the branches under it, and then exited TB! I then deleted FolderTabs.CDB and launched TB! again. The same account tree and branches were expanded even after deleting the file. So it made no difference whatsoever deleting FolderTabs.CDB. So maybe the last state is saved some place else. -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #23376. We Nows Dig Hero? ¶ TB! 4.1.11 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: reading confirmation
Hello Paul, This is what you said on Thu, 28 May 2009 10:00:14 +1000 your time: Right click on the folder and choose Properties - Templates - Confirmation and then click in the circle for Ignore. For the whole account, Account - Properties - Templates - Reading Confirmation - Ignore. Excellent, thanks for pointing that out. Couldn't find it for looking. -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #10313. We God Whirs Eon? ¶ TB! 4.1.11 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: reading confirmation
Hello Stuart, This is what you said on Wed, 27 May 2009 18:47:16 -0500 your time: Account/Properties/Templates/READING confirmation/Set to Ignore Thanks for the directions. Brain not fully engaged, autofocus on the blink, and too little sleep... ;-) -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #3568. Hoe Weird Gowns? ¶ TB! 4.1.11 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Account tree at start up
Hello Peter, This is what you said on Wed, 27 May 2009 08:08:03 +0200 your time: TB has a bug to the effect that the first (topmost) account is always expanded and any user setting is not remembered. Not for me! My first account in the account tree stays as I left it. It used to always stay expanded, but I noticed that that behaviour stopped since TB 4.1.11. -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #23802. Re-Do Hews Go Win? ¶ TB! 4.1.11 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
reading confirmation
Hello TBUDL, How can I prevent SPAM messages from automatically generating reading confirmations and immediately queuing them in the outbox? It's beginning to irritate me. I use a separate SPAM POP3 account under cPanel as the default address for all of my domains. All SPAM and unrouted mail gets forwarded to this account and periodically I collect it in TB! and check it before deleting it. As I hardly get any SPAM at all nowadays, due to the way I have my mail set up, it's not a mega burden, but I do sometimes get an influx of about 10 SPAM emails in a week, and some of them are automatically generating a reading confirmation which is immediately queued in the SPAM account's outbox. I then have to empty the outbox, which is getting on my pip! Is there a surefire way to prevent TB! from creating these without any repetitive intervention? -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #281. We Ogreish Down? ¶ TB! 4.1.11 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can I make folder creation default to NOT show unread messages in Mail Ticker?
Hello MAU, This is what you said on Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:31:25 +0200 your time: And where pray tell can one find the Customiser? Right click on the top menu or toolbar and select 'Customise'. Well I never, I haven't been paying attention, obviously! At last, I have a New message entry on the folder's context menu...and it only took a few seconds. Thanks for the heads up, much appreciated! -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #13472. Inh Wows Go Reed? ¶ TB! 4.1.11 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can I make folder creation default to NOT show unread messages in Mail Ticker?
Hello MAU, This is what you said on Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:53:14 +0200 your time: That is something many of us has missed since we started using TB years ago. But no, there is no way you can set up your own 'default settings' for newly created folders. A bit unbelievable, but true. Yes, and a what continuing annoyance it is too! There's another thing, which I may or may not have remembered correctly, but didn't the early TB! versions have an entry for New Message in the Right-Click context menu for folders? I seem to remember that, but maybe I'm mistaken and confusing it with something else. Regardless, that's something I'd like to see added under the 'New' context menu sub-menu...because out of habit I seem to look there first to create a new message when a folder is highlighted. -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #35703. We He Sow Gid Ron? ¶ TB! 4.1.11 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB Application Hang
Hello Thomas, This is what you said on Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:37:21 +0700 your time: I have another problem, which should have been fixed a long time ago (by FF): When I click on a link in TB! and FF is not open yet, I get an error box titled The Bat, showing the URL and the text The system cannot find the file specified. Yes, this is a royal PITA. It is caused by FF checking for extension updates on load...and finding one or more. I've been meaning to turn off auto updating of extensions for this reason. I've been pondering on which would be most aggravating: putting up with the error or having to manually check for extension updates. But then if I think about it, I can't count the the number of times that I've wanted to literally 'boot' the PC after opening FF purposefully to do something quickly but have instead been delayed by the annoying extension updates window. So, for the sake of my blood pressure I think I'll just turn the option off ;-) FYI To turn off updating for extensions: Tools/Options/Advanced/Update -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #16004. How Grew Done Is? ¶ TB! 4.1.11 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Let's write an English manual for The Bat! that is suitable for printing
Hello Peter, This is what you said on Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:35:48 +0100 your time: Shouldn't Ritlabs produce manuals for their software? At first I was going to say I 100% agree, but then I thought about it some more and decided that I didn't 100% agree after all. I find it odd that users need to produce manuals for a commercial software product. Yes, me too! However, the difference is that the manual that users are proposing to produce here is a printable manual, not an electronic manual for viewing/reading on a monitor. Freeware/open source, yes; payware, no. Indeed, TB! isn't OS software, as you say, but it does come with a manual. Okay, TB!'s manual hasn't always been the best, and over the many years I have been using TB! the manual has received much criticism from users, but that's something else entirely...another topic. It seems to me that the manual being discussed here is a 'printable manual', which is something entirely different to an electronic manual supplied with the software...as TB! has one of those. User's getting together to produce a 'free' (I would hope) 'print ready' manual for TB! is a project that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the authors of TB! Many software vendors charge extra for printed versions of their manuals, granted, but not all vendors actually provide printed or printable versions of their manuals. This usually opens up the doors for third parties to make a bit of money, and as we all know the manual writing business is rather lucrative. So if TB! users want to get it together and produce a completely _free_ comprehensive, exhaustive, print ready manual for other TB! users then I fully support the project. Well, as long as it is organised properly, and the finished product can be thoroughly checked for errors and validated by other 'expert users'. -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #19341. We Hnd Owes Giro? ¶ TB! 4.0.38 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.38.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What's best version to upgrade to so that I can change folder properties? [WAS: Re: Disappearing messages in 4.0.34]
Hello MFPA, This is what you said on Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:25:36 + your time: Can anybody suggest a stable post-4.0.34.13 beta to upgrade to so I can alter some folder options without messages going AWOL? I don't know about an older release, but beta 18 is available: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb403418.rar This folder issue is reported to have been fixed in beta 13, so I shall try this out as well. -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #17848. Win Ergo Sew Hod? ¶ TB! 4.0.34 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What's best version to upgrade to so that I can change folder properties? [WAS: Re: Disappearing messages in 4.0.34]
Hello, This is what I said on Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:36:11 + my time: I don't know about an older release, but beta 18 is available: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb403418.rar Oops! I'm afraid I bottled out of using this as it is an alpha version (warns you when loading), not a beta (the link I got it from had it listed as a beta), and it warned me about converting all indexes before continuing... so I bailed out and reverted to the current stable release, coward that I am! Doh! -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #9243. He Won Gid Sower? ¶ TB! 4.0.34 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No Roguemoticons updates?
Hello Thomas, This is what you said on Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:08:32 +0700 your time: Download here: http://www.pcwize.com/thebat Years ago my visog was lurking in the Rogues Gallery, but I must have missed the role call when it changed to Roguemoticons as the image I submitted has been removed. I've tried many times over the past months to create a login to the site and upload an image, without success. The site always times out. Even when I do manage to login and get the options page, after selecting the image for upload and trying to download the gallery it fails...the page just sits there indefinitely. Obviously unable to finish the request. I'm surprised anyone else has managed it quite honestly. -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #15888. We Goer Win Dohs? ¶ TB! 4.0.34 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Very annoyed indeed: messages vanished
Hello MFPA, This is what you said on Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:11:35 +0100 your time: Oops. I forgot about this issue and changed some options for a folder. I found my messages.tbb and messages.tbi files for that folder got relocated to my %userprofile% folder. Strange that mine went to a different place... Annoying isn't it! :-/ I don't know why it would be different folder for you. I have TB! custom installed so perhaps that might explain it. But I don't ever remember it using the %userprofile% for data files. Most odd. BTW, has this been resolved yet? Well I hope someone 'in the know' can answer this, because it is an infuriating bug. There's no official update as far as I am aware, although these things are often fixed in the betas, it could have been dealt with. If there's a beta with a fix I'll gladly install it. -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #3117. Sorgo Hew Edwin? ¶ TB! 4.0.34 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Very annoyed indeed: messages vanished
Hello, I have been unable to replicate the problem I described...and I have tried many ways. No damage, that's the main thing. I have seven TB! accounts and hundreds of folders between them, and only the subfolders under the folder to which I configured a custom notification sound were mysteriously moved to TB!'s installation directory. For the record, all my data is stored on an encrypted TrueCrypt partition...and so that obviously includes my TB! message base. I don't know whether this has something to do with it, but I wouldn't have thought it would make any difference. Anyway, to ensure that email messages doesn't get left on an unecrypted partition again I've installed TB! to the TrueCrypt partition as well. At least if TB! decides to move my messages they will still remain inside the 'encrypted container' at shutdown. Still, very curious. -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #24802. Rod Win Hogs Ewe? ¶ TB! 4.0.34 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Very annoyed indeed: messages vanished
Hello Martin, This is what you said on Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:55:07 +0200 your time: There was a report that messages disappear when you change folder properties. The workaround is to not change folder properties until the next version comes out. Thanks for the heads up! I'll leave well alone for the moment then. And at least I know there's nothing else causing the problem. Experienced the same problem myself. Hope Ritlabs uploads a new install version soon. Ditto! Can't be having folders full of messages going AWOL. -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #31770. Dor Go Wees Whin? ¶ TB! 4.0.34 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Very annoyed indeed: messages vanished
Hello Marek, This is what you said on Thu, 9 Oct 2008 13:09:33 +0200 your time: as I have tested, they are not lost, but moved to home directory, so check messages.tbb and messages.tbi in folder where You have exe file. Yes, I already discovered them lurking there, Marek. Thanks anyway though. -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #27727. Wig Weed On Rhos? ¶ TB! 4.0.34 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Very annoyed indeed: messages vanished
Hello TBUDL, I just set a sound for a folder under an account in TB! Eg. D:\My Libraries\Media\wav\email.wav Clicked OK and ALL the messages in the subfolders beneath the folder have vanished. I checked the messages.tbb and messages.tbi files for each sub folder under the folder and they are all between 19 and 20+ kb. I haven't backed up this last fortnight so I need to recover my messages...if at all possible. I have backups from before that, but these communications are important. This is a royal PITA! :-/ -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #1495. We Go Own Hiders? ¶ TB! 4.0.34 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Very annoyed indeed: messages vanished
Hello Privateofcourse, Hmm, very curious. After hunting about I found the NEW location of the missing messages. I never thought to look in the TB! installation folder for these missing messages, but there they were, all 92MB of them, in their corresponding sub folders (four folders, each with a messages.tbb and messages.tbi file in them. So, imported each folder back into TB! and all messages accounted for, right up to the moment I changed the folder sound. -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #33307. O'er Hod New Wigs? ¶ TB! 4.0.34 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation
Hello Jens, This is what you said on Sun, 28 Sep 2008 02:03:21 +0200 your time: It is not working or it is not usable. (nicht unnütz) It is not working! 1) Sender A sends email to recipient B: Sender A includes a reading confirmation request and delivery confirmation request. 2) Recipient B receives and reads the email from Sender A and, in The Bat!, is prompted to allow reading confirmation when highlighting another email or deselecting the read email. So recipient B clicks okay. 3) Sender, and now recipient, A, does not get a reading confirmation NOR do they get a delivery confirmation. So I'd say that this feature has become broken...well in TB! it is. Of course haven't tried sending to a another client. -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #16192. Wow Hie Dong Res? ¶ TB! 4.0.34 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: One time encryption
Hello Jack, This is what you said on Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:23:31 -0500 your time: Is there an easy way to encrypt the info so it can't be read if it's intercepted in transit and yet *can* be read by the recipient? Mostly, any secure system would require that the receiving part had a key/password to unlock the information that you send them. There are many ways to do this: Send a password protected WinRAR archive (or zip) and either phone them and let them know the password or send them the password/unlock code in a separate email. Send them a password protected PDF file. Lots of software available for free for that. There is Steganos LockNote (free) which fits this role perfectly. Although you'll have to rar or zip the bare exe file as it may not get delivered. PGP / GnuPG, but that is dependent on the recipient already being familiar with this form of encryption. Anyhow, there are many ways, not just those above, but the requirement will always be that the recipient has the password to unlock the information you send them. Of course sending the password or unlock code by email is insecure as well, but I would definitely prefer to do that than send my details in an insecure email...and it's just not good practice to do that IMO. Or am I worrying about nothing? Certainly not. I think it is completely sensible to think about these things and find solutions for them. -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #27836. Woe Wig End Rhos? ¶ TB! 4.0.34 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Threading by references and received time and Outlook
Hello TBUDL, I have noticed that when replying to messages sent to me by people using Microsoft Office Outlook my replies aren't threaded. That is, the reply isn't 'attached' to the original replied to message and appears as a separate email in the message list. I sort the 'standard way' which is by references and received time. Has anyone had this experience or similar? I've only just noticed this behaviour lately. It is very annoying I might add. -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #1104. Qualm Dry Wore Sis ¶ TB! 4.0.34 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading by references and received time and Outlook
Hello Roelof, On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:14:42 +0200 your time, you said: P [...snip...] when replying to messages sent to me by people using P Microsoft Office Outlook my replies aren't threaded. [...snip...] That's because the replies sent to you don't contain a References or an In-Reply-To header, [...snip...] Yes, you're correct. I just checked and the emails and they don't contain those normal headers. However, they do contain Thread-Index:, which seems to be a Microsoft specific header that I've not noticed before. All versions of MS Outlook that I've run into use them. This version doesn't seem to. The kludges/headers: X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AckT/hHhbq2zQW3MQrCb7evKSGep5Q==. Unfortunately that can't be remedied from your side. Annoying though. Maybe TB! will be able to recognise Outlook threading headers one day. -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #2283. Squaw Led I Mrs Roy ¶ TB! 4.0.34 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading by references and received time and Outlook
Hello Roelof, On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:18:47 +0200 your time, you said: Might be a configuration issue, when my brother used Outlook 11, his messages contained In-Reply-To, References and Thread-Index. These days he's using MSO 12 and he's still using the same headers. Some confusion here I think. I don't think I made myself clear enough, sorry: I did a search, and discovered that Microsoft have, in their infinite wisdom, removed the Message-ID header from Outlook (a while back it seems) supposedly due of 'security issues'. Of course that messes everything up. So, this is my take on how this breaks threading: 1. (i) A new email with a new 'subject' is sent from an Outlook client. (ii) Outlook does not add a message-ID: header to the email. 2. (i) In The Bat! I receive the email and reply to the Outlook message (ii) The Bat! does not include an In-Reply-To: header because their is no message-ID in the email being replied to, so no References either. 3. (i) The Outlook user then replies to MY reply (ii) Outlook DOES then add an In-Reply-To: header to their email reply 4. (i) I receive their reply. (ii) The Bat! then threads the last two emails because it can find an In-Reply-To: reference. 5. (i) I then reply again (ii) But this reply isn't threaded in TB! either because their is still no originator's message-ID in the Outlook reply, so The Bat! does not reference any of the the previous emails And so forth, and so forth... So, without Outlook providing and initial message-ID TB! won't thread the messages. I can of course thread by References and subject and received time and hope that the right messages are threaded together, but still... -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #1792. Arm Dress Wily Quo ¶ TB! 4.0.34 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading by references and received time and Outlook
Hello MFPA, On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:05:03 +0100 your time, you said: I can of course thread by References and subject and received time How? The Bat! only gives me the following 6 choices for threading:- Okay, more accurately, to get around it I meant this: View Menu - | Sort by: - Received time | View Threads by: - References + Subject - Group by Date So I haven't got anything extra in my TB!version ;-) And I don't sort by Descending order JFYR, so the newest message thread always appears at the top of the 'daily message tree'. For discussion lists this is the best setting that I've found (+ save the view mode as 'expanded' so you're not forever clicking little +es) ...well it is best for me at least. As an aside, I think the number of view combinations must be unique to TB! because I haven't found anything as comprehensive in any other client...not that I'm looking. With the view set as described above replying to a message in a thread seven days old for example, will mean that the whole thread is made current and moved up to 'Today' messages. This saves a lot of faffing about. There's always a downside, but I haven't come across it yet...although I'm sure someone will enlighten me if there is. -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #609. Masque Slid Worry ¶ TB! 4.0.34 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters: Run External Process
Hello Geoff, and Thomas, Thanks both for your replies. Spent far too long poncing about with this task now so I'll just set it as a scheduled Windows task to check the folder daily and convert files, or run it manually with a WinHotKey if I need to do it inbetween. I'll go back to it some time when I do actually have the time to faff about with it. Your input appreciated though. Not beaten, just putting it on the back burner for the moment ;-) Cheers.. -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #792. Lisa Qed Rum So Wry ¶ TB! 4.0.34 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB getting slow, taking lots of memory (with lots of emails in store)
Hello Zeynel, Friday, September 17, 2004, 10:38:06 PM, you wrote: ...snip... ZAÖ I was submitted a wish about increasing speed of loading folders at ZAÖ startup, if anyone would like to support; Yes, that's a good idea, and something I've been thinking about as well. Let's face it, when TB closes it could cache the last totals so when it opened it wouldn't really need to do a recount. I have a fair few messages as well and the folder reading time on start annoys me as well. I'm using v 2.11.02 of TB! on W2K. -- Best regards, Simonmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
