Re: I really need some practical advice - synchronising
Hello Richard, Sunday, July 4, 2004, 10:05:17 PM, Richard H. Stoddard wrote: RHS I just backup all folders RHS and run a full restore on the second machine, which at least on mine RHS overwrites the original message base, meaning the messages that have RHS been deleted do not reappear. Well I think Marten means on synchronizing, not backup which is why I asked the question earlier. -- Best Regards, :Greg_Strong: Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: I really need some practical advice - synchronising
admin, Friday, July 2, 2004, 12:50:40 AM, you wrote: aacu I really need some practical advice on this whole aacu business of synchronising two copies of The Bat! It may not be what you need, but I just use the backup tool. When I am going to travel, I just backup the main computer and then restore on the laptop, reversing the process when I return. That way I have all received and sent mail current on whatever machine I will be using. Yes but I also have all the email that I delteted back again. It's an aumenting system not a synchronising system. -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 2.11.02 with POPFile 0.21.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I really need some practical advice - synchronising
Hello admin, Sunday, July 4, 2004, 5:03:40 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: aacu I really need some practical advice on this whole aacu business of synchronising two copies of The Bat! It may not be what you need, but I just use the backup tool. When I am going to travel, I just backup the main computer and then restore on the laptop, reversing the process when I return. That way I have all received and sent mail current on whatever machine I will be using. aacu Yes but I also have all the email that I delteted back again. It's an aacu aumenting system not a synchronising system. Are you talking about the backup tool or synchronizing? -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I really need some practical advice - synchronising
Hello admin, On Sun, 4 Jul 2004 11:03:40 +0100 GMT (04/07/2004, 17:03 +0700 GMT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: aacu Yes but I also have all the email that I delteted back again. It's an aacu aumenting system not a synchronising system. Yes, it is. I think only IMAP does what you want. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. A day without fusion is like a day without sunshine. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.12 Beta/7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I really need some practical advice - synchronising
Hello Thomas, Sunday, July 4, 2004, 9:28:48 AM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: aacu Yes but I also have all the email that I delteted back again. It's an aacu aumenting system not a synchronising system. TF Yes, it is. I think only IMAP does what you want. I am no expert, but I think Thomas is correct here. Unfortunately this doesn't appear to be a viable option per http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/thebat.txt. Richard may have given good advice per mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], however I see you have a problem per your #15 on http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/thebat.txt. I am no expert on TB backup tool, but when using TB backup tool have you tried *only* selecting the following: 1 Folder with Messages 2 Address Books 3 Attachment Files On your http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/thebat.txt you talk about a BackUp application and do not state what it is, but mention the problem of NTFS file access which sounds like a permissions problem. Whatever you use for a backup and restore option are you doing it from an admin account? Thinking out loud and not being an XP expert it almost sounds like the permissions are getting messed up with the backup application. If you are using limited accounts to access TB on different machines, does the NTFS permissions carry forward to the restored directories? If yes and the limited accounts have different names, then this may be what is causing the problem. Whatever! -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: I really need some practical advice - synchronising
Greg, Sunday, July 4, 2004, 8:06:09 PM, you wrote: GS Hello Thomas, GS Sunday, July 4, 2004, 9:28:48 AM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: aacu Yes but I also have all the email that I delteted back again. It's an aacu aumenting system not a synchronising system. TF Yes, it is. I think only IMAP does what you want. GS Richard may have given good advice per GS mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], however I see you have a GS problem per your #15 on http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/thebat.txt. GS I am no expert on TB backup tool, but when using TB backup tool have you GS tried *only* selecting the following: The TB! backup tool works for me, since all I need is to be able to use a different machine from time to time. I just backup all folders and run a full restore on the second machine, which at least on mine overwrites the original message base, meaning the messages that have been deleted do not reappear. It's not elegant, but it only takes a few minutes, and at least for me it works. -- Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I really need some practical advice - synchronising
admin, Friday, July 2, 2004, 12:50:40 AM, you wrote: aacu I really need some practical advice on this whole aacu business of synchronising two copies of The Bat! It may not be what you need, but I just use the backup tool. When I am going to travel, I just backup the main computer and then restore on the laptop, reversing the process when I return. That way I have all received and sent mail current on whatever machine I will be using. -- Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I really need some practical advice - synchronising
On Thursday, July 1, 2004, 9:55:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But don't you the have emails that have been deleted from the DT but are still on the LT? That is why I occasionally restore a backup from the desktop onto the laptop, as this gets the message bases back into synch. What is a 'reserve synch' - do you mean you individually select folders for synching - i.e: just the 'Sent Mail' folders? If yes: then that's a bit of a pain for 35+ accounts. I do, but I don't have a large number of accounts (about 10) and I don't do it very often. By 'reinstall' you mean Registry entries and the 'MAIL' directory? The built-in backup routine does not include the Registry entries, so I just restore the mail folders. I suppose that I could do this by copying the mail directories (or even using Laplink). One problem is that this process usually resets the filters, so they have to be re-pointed at the correct folders again. Interesting, but how does LapLink keep track of what's been deleted so it knows to delete it from the other machine? It does not, so it will try to copy back across the messages that have been deleted from the laptop. Laplink does true synchronisation, so will copy either way depending on timestamps and its own database of synch'd files. Julian -- Using The Bat! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I really need some practical advice - synchronising
Hello admin, Thursday, July 1, 2004, 5:20:40 PM, you wrote: aacu If anyone has the energy and perspicacity to see their way through the aacu trials and tribulations I have been through I would welcome realistic aacu advice. aacu The document lists my set up and the techniques I have tried and the aacu problems that militate against using them. Set DT to not delete email -- If I tell the DT not to delete mail from the server - so that the LT can download it as well - then I have the email on both machines but if I delete on one, it is not deleted on the other. To have the complete options to manipulate mail and folders and have the same content from several machines which could be moved anywhere at any time does not seem possible with POP3. There would need to be some sense of how you would let it be limited from normal operations. Like some perspective on how often you'd want to do certain common operations, reading, sending, etc. And it doesn't sound like it would do. Only if you could do with some subset of normal operation might you try some of these options. None of these options you cited involve operating on the same mailstore. So it won't be identical. It would only be a question how similar content you might do with, or how much extra time you might allot for making copies of the folders. I guess NTFS cannot be changed to FAT32. But someone should have some opinion on what is going on there. I'm using FAT32. But it seems handy for you to provide these observations since there may be others who wish to try the same things. -- Best regards, Adam Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I really need some practical advice - synchronising
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really need some practical advice on this whole business of synchronising two copies of The Bat! The answer to this sort of requirement lies with IMAP. Is the IMAP protocol available to you? If not, then I think we'll just have to find a way of shoehorning POP3 into working that way for you. When you say synchronise, are you referring to identical installations or is it that you wish to have all those new messages you downloaded from the server while working with one installation, be added to the other installation and not merely be added, but also be added with appropriate flagging etc? -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.12 Beta/5 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgpuaNlh7J5Tr.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I really need some practical advice - synchronising
Rich Gregory, [RG] wrote: AM The answer to this sort of requirement lies with IMAP. Is the IMAP AM protocol available to you? If not, then I think we'll just have to AM find a way of shoehorning POP3 into working that way for you. Here is how we do it with POP3 only... snip Now that's a neat description of one way of shoehorning POP3 to attempt to do what IMAP so elegantly achieves. -- -=[ :Allie: ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.12 Beta/5 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgpQmVxwA3fe2.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
I really need some practical advice - synchronising
I really need some practical advice on this whole business of synchronising two copies of The Bat! I have tried many things: It is a long description of my set up and what I have tried and the problems. Too long for list etiquette but a very quick page here: http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/thebat.txt If anyone has the energy and perspicacity to see their way through the trials and tribulations I have been through I would welcome realistic advice. The document lists my set up and the techniques I have tried and the problems that militate against using them. -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 2.11.02 with POPFile 0.21.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I really need some practical advice - synchronising
On Thursday, July 1, 2004, 8:50:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If anyone has the energy and perspicacity to see their way through the trials and tribulations I have been through I would welcome realistic advice. I have had a look through, and I am not sure if my arrangement will help. I have a similar situation, with a Desktop PC and a Laptop. I use the laptop whilst travelling, and this can use a variety of SMTP settings depending on where I am accessing the internet from (office LAN, mobile, or home network). My current arrangement is to synchronize all messages from the desktop to the laptop whenever i go away. This ensures that i have all the messages that I send and received on my desktop machine are with me when I go away. I have set both machines to leave messages on the server for 3 days, which ensures that I get the messages to both machines, and in particular that I can leave both machines running and still collect mail on the laptop. If there are sent messages that I need to transfer from the laptop to the desktop, then I occasionally do a reserve synch of sent messages from the laptop to the desktop. I keep the desktop clear of old messages, and occasionally backup the desktop installation, and reinstall it onto the laptop, which brings the messages back into synch. This does mean I lose the laptop account settings, so I don't do it very often. I find this arrangement quite workable. It would be better to have true synchronisation (I use Laplink, but it does not sound like it works at the level of the software you use), as it would deal with deleted mail, but even Laplink struggles with this, and will attempt to recopy deleted files and folders. Julian -- Using The Bat! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: I really need some practical advice - synchronising
On Thursday, July 1, 2004, 8:50:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My current arrangement is to synchronize all messages from the desktop to the laptop whenever i go away. This ensures that i have all the messages that I send and received on my desktop machine are with me when I go away. But don't you the have emails that have been deleted from the DT but are still on the LT? I have set both machines to leave messages on the server for 3 days, which ensures that I get the messages to both machines, and in particular that I can leave both machines running and still collect mail on the laptop. If there are sent messages that I need to transfer from the laptop to the desktop, then I occasionally do a reserve synch of sent messages from the laptop to the desktop. What is a 'reserve synch' - do you mean you individually select folders for synching - i.e: just the 'Sent Mail' folders? If yes: then that's a bit of a pain for 35+ accounts. I keep the desktop clear of old messages, and occasionally backup the desktop installation, and reinstall it onto the laptop, which brings the messages back into synch. This does mean I lose the laptop account settings, so I don't do it very often. By 'reinstall' you mean Registry entries and the 'MAIL' directory? I find this arrangement quite workable. It would be better to have true synchronisation (I use Laplink, but it does not sound like it works at the level of the software you use), as it would deal with deleted mail, but even Laplink struggles with this, and will attempt to recopy deleted files and folders. Interesting, but how does LapLink keep track of what's been deleted so it knows to delete it from the other machine? -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 2.11.02 with POPFile 0.21.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
