[no subject]

[Maxim Masiutin via TBUDL]

(cross-posted to TBUDL, TBBETA)

Hello,

What do you think about the screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9 which is 
currently in development?

You can see the screenshots at 
https://www.facebook.com/emailman/posts/10157552017414120

If you like them, please put "Like". If you don't, please put "Angry". Thank 
you!

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Re: Regex to clean up subject

[Leonard S. Berkowitz]

On Thursday, September 3, 2015, 7:31:37 AM, MFPA (tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com) 
wrote:

> "Regular Expressions" (or simply "RegEx", "regex") a way of setting 
> patterns of characters to search for in strings. There is quite a lot 
> about them in TB!'s help file, most of it impenetrable unless you 
> already know what they are talking about. RegEX are not a TB! 
> invention: they are also used in PERL and in M$ Visual Basic, for 
> example (although there may be differences between the various 
> implementations). Marck Pearlstone's website hosts a RegEX tutorial 
> written by Gerd Ewald, starting at 
> , which includes a link
> to a RegEx tester written by Dirk Heiser. 

Many thanks!

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Re: Regex to clean up subject

[MFPA]

Hi


On Thursday 3 September 2015 at 1:44:05 AM, in
<mid:1363254778.20150902204...@gmail.com>, Leonard S. Berkowitz wrote:


> On Wednesday, September 2, 2015, 6:28:01 PM, you
> (tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com) wrote:

>> %SETPATTREGEXP=/^(?:(?:[^:]{0,4}(?:[\[\(]\d+[\]\)])?:)?\s*(\[[^\]]*\]\s)|(?:(?:[^:]{0,4}(?:[\[\(]\d+[\]\)])?:)?\s*(?:\[[^\]]*\]\s*)?)?)%-
>> \s*(?:(?:[^:]{0,4}(?:[\[\(]\d+[\]\)])?:)?\s*(?:\[[^\]]*\]\s*)?)*%-
>> (.*?)%- ([\(\[].+[\)\]])?$/%-
>> %RegExpBlindMatch="%OSubj"%- 
>> %Subject='Re: %SUBPATT="1"%SUBPATT="2"'

> It would be very helpful if someone could explain what
> is going on here.




%SETPATTREGEXP defines a search pattern using Regular Expressions.

%RegExpBlindMatch="%OSubj" means the text you are searching within is 
the original subject header.

%Subject='Re: %SUBPATT="1"%SUBPATT="2"' means you are writing the 
subject header of the reply as "Re: " followed by two sub-strings that 
were extracted from the original subject header.



"Regular Expressions" (or simply "RegEx", "regex") a way of setting 
patterns of characters to search for in strings. There is quite a lot 
about them in TB!'s help file, most of it impenetrable unless you 
already know what they are talking about. RegEX are not a TB! 
invention: they are also used in PERL and in M$ Visual Basic, for 
example (although there may be differences between the various 
implementations). Marck Pearlstone's website hosts a RegEX tutorial 
written by Gerd Ewald, starting at 
<http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/Regex.html>, which includes a link 
to a RegEx tester written by Dirk Heiser. 



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Re: Regex to clean up subject

[MFPA]

Hi


On Monday 31 August 2015 at 3:54:22 PM, in
, Fred wrote:


>> Marck Pearlstone has a library of useful macros at
>> .

> Unfortunately, right now I got "Warning:
> mysql_connect() [function.mysql-connect]: Access denied
> for user 'marck'@'80.229.140.13' (using password: YES)
> in D:\Data\wwwroot\cgi\library.php on line 28 Unable to
> open db: Access denied for user 'marck'@'80.229.140.13'
> (using password: YES)".  


I have emailed Marck, via the contact form on his website, to give him 
the "heads-up" about this.



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Re: Regex to clean up subject

[Marck Pearlstone]

Dear Mfpa,

@3-Sep-2015, 5:48  +0100  (03-Sep 12:35 here) MFPA [M] in
mid:1069448339.20150903123548@my_localhost said to Fred:  

... 
>> Unfortunately, right now I got "Warning:
>> mysql_connect() [function.mysql-connect]: Access denied
>> for user 'marck'@'80.229.140.13' (using password: YES)
>> in D:\Data\wwwroot\cgi\library.php on line 28 Unable to
>> open db: Access denied for user 'marck'@'80.229.140.13'
>> (using password: YES)".

M> I have emailed Marck, via the contact form on his website, to give him
M> the "heads-up" about this.

Eeek! Looks like my ISP has silently killed my SQL data hosting. I am
trying to track it down. Normal service will be resumed... as soon as
I can get a hold of the data. If they still have it :(

Thanks for the heads up!

-- 
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Re: Regex to clean up subject

[Leonard S. Berkowitz]

On Wednesday, September 2, 2015, 6:28:01 PM, you (tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com) 
wrote:

> %SETPATTREGEXP=/^(?:(?:[^:]{0,4}(?:[\[\(]\d+[\]\)])?:)?\s*(\[[^\]]*\]\s)|(?:(?:[^:]{0,4}(?:[\[\(]\d+[\]\)])?:)?\s*(?:\[[^\]]*\]\s*)?)?)%-
> \s*(?:(?:[^:]{0,4}(?:[\[\(]\d+[\]\)])?:)?\s*(?:\[[^\]]*\]\s*)?)*%-
> (.*?)%-
> ([\(\[].+[\)\]])?$/%-
> %RegExpBlindMatch="%OSubj"%-
> %Subject='Re: %SUBPATT="1"%SUBPATT="2"'

It would be very helpful if someone could explain what is going on
here.

Thanks.
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Re: Regex to clean up subject

[Rick Grunwald]

Thanks!!
-- 
Rick
> On Monday, August 31, 2015, 5:04:44, Rick Grunwald wrote:

>> Someone  once gave me an excellent regular expression that would clean
>> up the subject of things like [this] and {that}

>> I lost it along with all my mail in a hard drive crash

>> If someone has it, could you kindly repost it?

> Here's the one I use:

> %SETPATTREGEXP=/^(?:(?:[^:]{0,4}(?:[\[\(]\d+[\]\)])?:)?\s*(\[[^\]]*\]\s)|(?:(?:[^:]{0,4}(?:[\[\(]\d+[\]\)])?:)?\s*(?:\[[^\]]*\]\s*)?)?)%-
> \s*(?:(?:[^:]{0,4}(?:[\[\(]\d+[\]\)])?:)?\s*(?:\[[^\]]*\]\s*)?)*%-
> (.*?)%-
> ([\(\[].+[\)\]])?$/%-
> %RegExpBlindMatch="%OSubj"%-
> %Subject='Re: %SUBPATT="1"%SUBPATT="2"'



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Re: Regex to clean up subject

[Jernej Simončič]

On Monday, August 31, 2015, 5:04:44, Rick Grunwald wrote:

> Someone  once gave me an excellent regular expression that would clean
> up the subject of things like [this] and {that}

> I lost it along with all my mail in a hard drive crash

> If someone has it, could you kindly repost it?

Here's the one I use:

%SETPATTREGEXP=/^(?:(?:[^:]{0,4}(?:[\[\(]\d+[\]\)])?:)?\s*(\[[^\]]*\]\s)|(?:(?:[^:]{0,4}(?:[\[\(]\d+[\]\)])?:)?\s*(?:\[[^\]]*\]\s*)?)?)%-
\s*(?:(?:[^:]{0,4}(?:[\[\(]\d+[\]\)])?:)?\s*(?:\[[^\]]*\]\s*)?)*%-
(.*?)%-
([\(\[].+[\)\]])?$/%-
%RegExpBlindMatch="%OSubj"%-
%Subject='Re: %SUBPATT="1"%SUBPATT="2"'


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Re: Regex to clean up subject

[Feli Wilcke]

Hello Fred,

On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 10:54:22 -0400GMT Fred wrote:

>> Marck Pearlstone has a library of useful macros at 
>> .

F> Unfortunately, right now I got "Warning: mysql_connect()
F> [function.mysql-connect]: Access denied for user 'marck'@'80.229.140.13'
F> (using password: YES) in D:\Data\wwwroot\cgi\library.php on line 28 Unable
F> to open db: Access denied for user 'marck'@'80.229.140.13' (using password:
F> YES)".

Try this one: http://silverstones.com/thebat/samples.html
In the reply template section you will find the reply-cleaner.

-- 
Regards,
Feli

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Re: Regex to clean up subject

[Fred]

> Try this one: http://silverstones.com/thebat/samples.html
> In the reply template section you will find the reply-cleaner.

Thanks, Feli and MFPA for the links. It looks as if I will have some
interesting reading there. :-)

-- 
Fred

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Re: Regex to clean up subject

[Rick Grunwald]

Thanks!  I had one removed some of the stuff added to headers by Yahoo
groups etc.
I appreciate the reply and did bookmark that site
-- 
Rick
> Hello Fred,

> On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 10:54:22 -0400GMT Fred wrote:

>>> Marck Pearlstone has a library of useful macros at 
>>> .

F>> Unfortunately, right now I got "Warning: mysql_connect()
F>> [function.mysql-connect]: Access denied for user 'marck'@'80.229.140.13'
F>> (using password: YES) in D:\Data\wwwroot\cgi\library.php on line 28 Unable
F>> to open db: Access denied for user 'marck'@'80.229.140.13' (using password:
F>> YES)".

> Try this one: http://silverstones.com/thebat/samples.html
> In the reply template section you will find the reply-cleaner.


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Re: Regex to clean up subject

[Geoff Lane]

Using The Bat! 5.8.8 on Windows Vista Build 6002

On Monday, August 31, 2015, 4:04:44 AM, Rick Grunwald wrote:

> Someone  once gave me an excellent regular expression that would clean
> up the subject of things like [this] and {that}

> I lost it along with all my mail in a hard drive crash

> If someone has it, could you kindly repost it?

Many years ago, Marck Pearlstone sent me the following to clean up
subject lines:

%subject="Re: 
%setpattregexp=""(?i)\A\:?(\s*\[.*\])?(\s*(re|ha|rcpt|fwd|fw)(\[\d*\])?:\s*)*(.*)""%RegExpBlindMatch=""%OSubj""%SubPatt=""5"""Hi
 %OFROMFNAME,

However, for most purposes, the %singlere macro does an excellent job
with significantly less fuss!

HTH,

-- 
Geoff Lane
Cornwall, UK


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Re: Regex to clean up subject

[Fred]

> Marck Pearlstone has a library of useful macros at 
> .

Unfortunately, right now I got "Warning: mysql_connect()
[function.mysql-connect]: Access denied for user 'marck'@'80.229.140.13'
(using password: YES) in D:\Data\wwwroot\cgi\library.php on line 28 Unable
to open db: Access denied for user 'marck'@'80.229.140.13' (using password:
YES)".

-- 
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Re: Regex to clean up subject

[MFPA]

Hi


On Monday 31 August 2015 at 8:29:36 AM, in
<mid:603496881.20150831082...@gjctech.co.uk>, Geoff Lane wrote:




> Many years ago, Marck Pearlstone sent me the following
> to clean up subject lines:

> %subject="Re:
> %setpattregexp=""(?i)\A\:?(\s*\[.*\])?(\s*(re|ha|rcpt|fwd|fw)(\[\d*\])?:\s*)*(.*)""%RegExpBlindMatch=""%OSubj""%SubPatt=""5"""Hi
> %OFROMFNAME,



Marck Pearlstone has a library of useful macros at 
<http://cgi.silverstones.com/library.php>.



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Regex to clean up subject

[Rick Grunwald]

Someone  once gave me an excellent regular expression that would clean
up the subject of things like [this] and {that}

I lost it along with all my mail in a hard drive crash

If someone has it, could you kindly repost it?

Thanks
-- 
Rick

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Re: Subject: history

[Rick]

 I have a particular subject that I use frequently. How can I nail it
 in the Subject: history data so that it will always be there?

 Thanks.

Use  a  template either address book for one person, group or a folder
template (or a quick template)
%SUBJECT=History data
or whatever you want

-- 
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Re: Subject: history

[Leonard S. Berkowitz]

On Thursday, June 4, 2015, 12:22:58 PM, you (tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com) wrote:

 Use  a  template either address book for one person, group or a folder
 template (or a quick template)
 %SUBJECT=History data
 or whatever you want

Thanks. That approach just did not occur to me.
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Re: No subject in replies

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello MAU,

On Saturday, September 14, 2013 you wrote:

M Hello Jack,


 Is there a macro to generate a thread subject?

M Try this in your reply template:

M %SUBJ=%SUBJ=%OFULLSUBJ

Thank you Miguel, that works perfectly.

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Re: No subject in replies

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Roelof,

On Friday, September 13, 2013 you wrote:

RO Hallo Jack,

RO On Thu, 12 Sep 2013 09:16:05 -0500GMT (12-9-2013, 16:16 , where I
RO live), you wrote:

JSL Ok, here's the NEW template:

RO Nothing in your templates that should empty the subject header.
RO Though I'd use %SetEditor=1%- in both templates.

As you might expect, matching the macro to your example had no effect on
clearing the subject header.  Changing the editor number (2,3,4) made no
difference also.  I had to copy and paste the subject for this reply.

As mentioned in my original post I have the default editor set to HTML only
(OPTIONS + PREFERENCES + VIEWER/EDITOR + DEFAULT EDITOR FOR TEXT + HTML ONLY)
and when the SET EDITOR macro is used, the subject gets cleared.  Additionally,
if I use the SET EDITOR macro and set the editor number to 4 (HTML only), the
subject field STILL gets cleared.  So anytime the SET EDITOR macro is used,
regardless of which editor (1,2,3,4) is specified, the subject will always be
cleared.

Anything else you can think of to try?  Is there a macro to generate a thread
subject?  Should I re-install TB?

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Re: No subject in replies

[MAU]

Hello Jack,


 Is there a macro to generate a thread subject?

Try this in your reply template:

%SUBJ=%SUBJ=%OFULLSUBJ

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Re: No subject in replies

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Rick,

On Thursday, September 12, 2013 you wrote:

JSL Hello TBUD Listers,

JSL I just recently discovered that I could add the line %SetEditor=1 to
JSL my NEW and REPLY templates to guarantee that Plain Text would always be 
used in
JSL those instances.  I just noticed that when I reply to a list message, the
JSL subject line is empty when it should contain the thread subject. If I 
take the
JSL SetEditor line out of the template, the subject line is once again filled 
with
JSL the thread subject but I'm back to an HTML editor.  Is there something 
else I
JSL should add to the templates to guarantee the thread subject carrying over?

R Post  the  template  if  you can and let the experts have a look. That
R shouldn't be happening

Ok, here's the NEW template:

--- NEW TEMPLATE -
Hello TBUD Listers,

%CURSOR

-- 
TIA,
Jack LaRosa
:usflag: Central Alabama

Using The Bat! ver: %THEBATVERSION.
Running %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME Pro ver %WINDOWSMAJORVERSION build 
%WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER %WINDOWSCSDVERSION
%SetEditor=1
%SetHeader(X-Rogue,:Deuxdad:)%-

%ACCOUNT=Jack LaRosa
--- END NEW TEMPLATE -

And here's the REPLY template:

--- REPLY TEMPLATE ---
%SetEditor=1
%SetHeader(X-Rogue,:Deuxdad:)%-
Hello %TOFNAME,

On %DATE you wrote:

%QUOTES
%CURSOR

-- 
Best Regards, 
Jack LaRosa
:usflag: Central Alabama


Using The Bat! ver: %THEBATVERSION.
Running %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME Pro ver %WINDOWSMAJORVERSION build 
%WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER %WINDOWSCSDVERSION
--- END REPLY TEMPLATE 

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Jack LaRosa
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Re: No subject in replies

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Jack,

On Thu, 12 Sep 2013 09:16:05 -0500GMT (12-9-2013, 16:16 , where I
live), you wrote:

JSL Ok, here's the NEW template:

Nothing in your templates that should empty the subject header.
Though I'd use %SetEditor=1%- in both templates.


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No subject in replies

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello TBUD Listers,

I just recently discovered that I could add the line %SetEditor=1 to
my NEW and REPLY templates to guarantee that Plain Text would always be used in
those instances.  I just noticed that when I reply to a list message, the
subject line is empty when it should contain the thread subject.  If I take the
SetEditor line out of the template, the subject line is once again filled with
the thread subject but I'm back to an HTML editor.  Is there something else I
should add to the templates to guarantee the thread subject carrying over?

-- 
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Re: No subject in replies

[Rick]

JSL Hello TBUD Listers,

JSL I just recently discovered that I could add the line %SetEditor=1 to
JSL my NEW and REPLY templates to guarantee that Plain Text would always be 
used in
JSL those instances.  I just noticed that when I reply to a list message, the
JSL subject line is empty when it should contain the thread subject. If I take 
the
JSL SetEditor line out of the template, the subject line is once again filled 
with
JSL the thread subject but I'm back to an HTML editor.  Is there something 
else I
JSL should add to the templates to guarantee the thread subject carrying over?

Post  the  template  if  you can and let the experts have a look. That
shouldn't be happening

-- 
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Re: [TBUDL] Subject line says (see body)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello St,

Thursday, January 24, 2013, 1:51:42 AM, you wrote:

 Often ISP's anti-spam filters, both outgoing and incoming, can be a
 little overzealous IME. The same can be said of desktop anti-spam
 software.

SMN This is very true - but if an anti-spam filter reject messages based
SMN on the fact that the word PayPal is present in subject is a stupid
SMN anti-spam-filter. I mean, apparently it's stupid to you and me... but
SMN it is also *professionally stupid* - one would think a professional
SMN company had a better system running than that?

I once worked for a company who's sysad suddenly decided that all
emails coming from yahoo.com needed to be sent to trash - which
resulted in quite a numer of unhappy customers. He didn't know why the
sales people were al that upset about it, because well over 80% of
those messages were indeed spam...

Don't ever misunderestimate professionals!

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Subject line says (see body)

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Greetings Oracle,

I tried several times to send someone an email whose subject line read PayPal
but none of the attempts were successful.  It wasn't until I changed the subject
line to read PP that it finally went through.  Because of that I refrained
from putting the word PayPal in the subject line of THIS email because I
didn't want to chance that this email wouldn't get through.

My method was to drag the original email from the SENT folder back to the OUTBOX
folder and re-send it.  TB! always showed the CONNECTION CENTER box sending the
email.  This method always failed but the message always re-appeared in the SENT
mail folder every time I did this.  It wasn't until I changed the subject line
from PayPal to PP that the recipient finally received it.

I will refrain from making derogatory remarks about PayPay for fear of
retribution but does anyone have any idea as to why this would occur?

-- 
TIA,
Jack LaRosa
:usflag: Central Alabama

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Re: Subject line says (see body)

[Geoff Lane]

On 23 January 2013, 17:48, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

 This method always failed but the message always re-appeared in the SENT
 mail folder every time I did this.  It wasn't until I changed the subject line
 from PayPal to PP that the recipient finally received it.

This suggests that TB! successfully transmitted the message. That is
wasn't getting through to the intended recipient suggests it was
blocked en-route between the server TB! handed it to and the
recipient's email client.

 I will refrain from making derogatory remarks about PayPay for fear of
 retribution but does anyone have any idea as to why this would occur?

Often ISP's anti-spam filters, both outgoing and incoming, can be a
little overzealous IME. The same can be said of desktop anti-spam
software. Your messages probably had to pass through three or more
such filters. So many pieces of phishing spam claim to be from Paypal,
that some false positives are almost inevitable, and I suspect that
your message was falsely tagged as spam.

HTH,

-- 
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Re: Subject line says (see body)

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Geoff,

On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 you wrote:

GL On 23 January 2013, 17:48, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

 This method always failed but the message always re-appeared in the SENT
 mail folder every time I did this.  It wasn't until I changed the subject 
 line
 from PayPal to PP that the recipient finally received it.

GL This suggests that TB! successfully transmitted the message. That is
GL wasn't getting through to the intended recipient suggests it was
GL blocked en-route between the server TB! handed it to and the
GL recipient's email client.

 I will refrain from making derogatory remarks about PayPay for fear of
 retribution but does anyone have any idea as to why this would occur?

GL Often ISP's anti-spam filters, both outgoing and incoming, can be a
GL little overzealous IME. The same can be said of desktop anti-spam
GL software. Your messages probably had to pass through three or more
GL such filters. So many pieces of phishing spam claim to be from Paypal,
GL that some false positives are almost inevitable, and I suspect that
GL your message was falsely tagged as spam.

GL HTH,

Hmmm, interesting (and probably correct).  After sending these several attempts
I went directly to my email ISP's site and looked at my email directly and found
no evidence that the ISP had ever handled the message.  I'm not sure what to
make of that.

Thank you Geoff.

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Re: [TBUDL] Subject line says (see body)

[St - Musaic.Net]

 Often ISP's anti-spam filters, both outgoing and incoming, can be a
 little overzealous IME. The same can be said of desktop anti-spam
 software. Your messages probably had to pass through three or more
 such filters. So many pieces of phishing spam claim to be from Paypal,
 that some false positives are almost inevitable, and I suspect that
 your message was falsely tagged as spam.

This is very true - but if an anti-spam filter reject messages based
on the fact that the word PayPal is present in subject is a stupid
anti-spam-filter. I mean, apparently it's stupid to you and me... but
it is also *professionally stupid* - one would think a professional
company had a better system running than that?

The only plausible reason why a filter would block such a message
Jack is talking about is if one Redirect / Delegate a message that was
originally sent from PayPal. If the text is fully intact AND the anti-
spam system found it to be suspicious (looks like a phishing attempt)
AND the IP the Redirected / Delegated message is now coming from is not
in the IP-range PayPal is using to send mail, THEN one could expect a
system to look at it with a suspicious mind and to consider it to be a
possible phishing attempt. But blocking a message just because PayPal
is present in Subject is just stupid.

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Re: [TBUDL] Subject line says (see body)

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello St,

On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 you wrote:


 Often ISP's anti-spam filters, both outgoing and incoming, can be a
 little overzealous IME. The same can be said of desktop anti-spam
 software. Your messages probably had to pass through three or more
 such filters. So many pieces of phishing spam claim to be from Paypal,
 that some false positives are almost inevitable, and I suspect that
 your message was falsely tagged as spam.

SMN This is very true - but if an anti-spam filter reject messages based
SMN on the fact that the word PayPal is present in subject is a stupid
SMN anti-spam-filter. I mean, apparently it's stupid to you and me... but
SMN it is also *professionally stupid* - one would think a professional
SMN company had a better system running than that?

SMN The only plausible reason why a filter would block such a message
SMN Jack is talking about is if one Redirect / Delegate a message that was
SMN originally sent from PayPal. If the text is fully intact AND the anti-
SMN spam system found it to be suspicious (looks like a phishing attempt)
SMN AND the IP the Redirected / Delegated message is now coming from is not
SMN in the IP-range PayPal is using to send mail, THEN one could expect a
SMN system to look at it with a suspicious mind and to consider it to be a
SMN possible phishing attempt. But blocking a message just because PayPal
SMN is present in Subject is just stupid.


Also it doesn't seem to be the case.  After I responded to Geoff's message I
sent myself a message with PayPal in the subject line and it went through just
fine.  Admittedly, the message body consisted simply of a salutation and sig.
It may be that a message with PayPal in the subject line AND a fair amount of
text in the body *might* trigger a block.  More experimentation necessary.

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Re: Subject line says (see body)

[MFPA]

Hi


On Wednesday 23 January 2013 at 6:53:07 PM, in
mid:1101239910.20130123125...@charter.net, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:


 Hmmm, interesting (and probably correct).  After
 sending these several attempts I went directly to my
 email ISP's site and looked at my email directly and
 found no evidence that the ISP had ever handled the
 message.  I'm not sure what to make of that.


ISPs and Webmail providers (except google) that I've used have usually
not shown outgoing mail in their web interface that was not sent from 
the web interface.


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Re: [TBUDL] Subject line says (see body)

[MFPA]

Hi


On Wednesday 23 January 2013 at 7:00:04 PM, in
mid:1681765046.20130123130...@charter.net, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:


 After I responded
 to Geoff's message I sent myself a message with
 PayPal in the subject line and it went through just
 fine.  

It's probably getting out OK but being blocked (or diverted to a
bulk or spam folder) by the recipient's email provider. Some
providers make it hard to determine the settings to turn off spam
filtering/blocking.


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Re: Subject line says (see body)

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello MFPA,

On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 you wrote:

M Hi


M On Wednesday 23 January 2013 at 6:53:07 PM, in
M mid:1101239910.20130123125...@charter.net, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:


 Hmmm, interesting (and probably correct).  After
 sending these several attempts I went directly to my
 email ISP's site and looked at my email directly and
 found no evidence that the ISP had ever handled the
 message.  I'm not sure what to make of that.


M ISPs and Webmail providers (except google) that I've used have usually
M not shown outgoing mail in their web interface that was not sent from 
M the web interface.

Yeah, I kinda figured it was something like that. Thanks M.

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Re: Subject line says (see body) SOLVED

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Jack,

On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 you wrote:

JSL Greetings Oracle,

JSL I tried several times to send someone an email whose subject line read 
PayPal
JSL but none of the attempts were successful.  It wasn't until I changed the 
subject
JSL line to read PP that it finally went through.  Because of that I 
refrained
JSL from putting the word PayPal in the subject line of THIS email because I
JSL didn't want to chance that this email wouldn't get through.

JSL My method was to drag the original email from the SENT folder back to the 
OUTBOX
JSL folder and re-send it.  TB! always showed the CONNECTION CENTER box 
sending the
JSL email.  This method always failed but the message always re-appeared in 
the SENT
JSL mail folder every time I did this.  It wasn't until I changed the subject 
line
JSL from PayPal to PP that the recipient finally received it.

JSL I will refrain from making derogatory remarks about PayPay for fear of
JSL retribution but does anyone have any idea as to why this would occur?

AARRRGGGHHH! I was sending the aforementioned emails to my wife who, unbeknownst
to me, had a PayPal folder in her TB!, *AND* a filter which routed all emails 
with
that subject line to that PayPal folder, which was offscreen every time I looked
at it. All of the emails went through.

My sincerest apologies to the List and most heartfelt thanks to all who tried to
solve this non-problem.

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Re: Parsing Subject line when replying of forwardin

[Jernej Simončič]

On Monday, November 5, 2012, 2:19:18, Rick wrote:

 I am in some Yahoo groups. Each group ads an identifier in the
 subject, [bracketed text that can vary]
 I would like to parse out the brackets and text. Is there any way to do that?
 Thanks in advance

You can't alter the display of these subjects, but it's possible to
remove the text when replying or forwarding by using macros.

This should do it:

%SETPATTREGEXP=/^(?:(?:[^:]{0,4}(?:[\[\(]\d+[\]\)])?:)?\s*(\[[^\]]*\]\s)|(?:(?:[^:]{0,4}(?:[\[\(]\d+[\]\)])?:)?\s*(?:\[[^\]]*\]\s*)?)?)%-
\s*(?:(?:[^:]{0,4}(?:[\[\(]\d+[\]\)])?:)?\s*(?:\[[^\]]*\]\s*)?)*%-
(.*?)%-
([\(\[].+[\)\]])?$/%-
%RegExpBlindMatch=%OSubj%-
%Subject='Re: %SUBPATT=2'%-

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Re: Parsing Subject line when replying of forwardin

[Rick]

You can't alter the display of these subjects, but it's possible to remove the 
text when replying or forwarding by using macros.
Thank you it works GREAT on replies but not on forwards for some reason
But THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!


-- 
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recognition of which there can be no effective liberty:  That what we believe 
is not necessarily true; that what we like is not necessarily good; and that 
all questions are open.
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Re: Parsing Subject line when replying of forwardin

[Rick]

R I am in some Yahoo groups. Each group ads an identifier in the
R subject, [bracketed text that can vary]
R I would like to parse out the brackets and text. Is there any way to do that?
R Thanks in advance  

This was supposed to go to TBUDL - resending
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[no subject]

[howard b. schwartz]

Wednesday, March 09, 2011
1:57:52 AM

please remove my name and email address.




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[howard b. schwartz]

 


Wednesday, March 09, 2011
2:44:33 AM

remove my name and email address.




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Re: Subject lost when replying

[Rick]

 Hello Rick,

 On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 21:14:58 -0400 GMT (24/Jul/10, 8:14 AM +0700 GMT),
 Rick wrote:

R I  have a fresh install of Windows. The Bat has been working correctly
R for 2 days. Tonight, when I reply to a message, the subject is blank.

R Any idea of how to fix this?

 If a restart doesn't help, let us know whether this applies to all
 messages or only to specific ones. We will then check the REply
 templates.

The 2 day old fresh install of Xp started to fail when booting. I went
back to the last good configuration and 1) The machine booted fine and
2) the issue with no subject was fixed

The ONLY thing that had been installed was a windows update :(

Thanks for replying though :)
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Subject lost when replying

[Rick]

I  have a fresh install of Windows. The Bat has been working correctly
for 2 days. Tonight, when I reply to a message, the subject is blank.

Any idea of how to fix this?
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Re: Subject lost when replying

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Rick,

On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 21:14:58 -0400 GMT (24/Jul/10, 8:14 AM +0700 GMT),
Rick wrote:

R I  have a fresh install of Windows. The Bat has been working correctly
R for 2 days. Tonight, when I reply to a message, the subject is blank.

R Any idea of how to fix this?

If a restart doesn't help, let us know whether this applies to all
messages or only to specific ones. We will then check the REply
templates.

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[info]

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Re: [Wish] Automatic (was: ...), if subject line of reply is edited.

[Volker Ahrendt]

[Reply to: »MFPA« · 2009-07-30 · 17:25 h (CET)]

Moin, MFPA!

 Could there be a implementation, which does this like here:
 Re: BETA (was: Re: 4.0.0.19)

 That's WRONG! If it would ever be implemented, it should be
 Re: BETA (was: 4.0.0.19)

 No! Should be - BETA (was: Re: 4.0.0.19) 

Ummm, three different people and three different opinions. Can you
provide information about a reliable source which deals with this
subject?

 a) Semiautomatic

 You can run the QT at any time even if the textbody of the new
 message is already modified.

 It would take me longer to look at the QT to remind myself of the
 shortcut than to type three letters, a colon and two brackets! (-;

- assign a short and descriptive QT handle = e.g. was
- in textbody type was + [ctrl][space]

  = That’s nearly the half! ;-)

 b) Automatic

 2. The textbody must *not* be
 modified *before* you change the subject line.

 That would probably kill it for me - unless the thread was already
 not related to the subject line, I would only decide to change it if
 my contribution took it in a different direction.

In general I personally decide this before I start writing the reply
message. ;-)

 I would decide this was the case after reading what I had typed...

In this case you can use option a). :-)

Cheers!
VA

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Re: [Wish] Automatic (was: ...), if subject line of reply is edited.

[MFPA]

Hi

On Tuesday 4 August 2009 at 12:21:38 PM, in
mid:1412698316.20090804132...@ahrendt.net, Volker Ahrendt wrote:



 Could there be a implementation, which does this
 like here: Re: BETA (was: Re: 4.0.0.19)

 That's WRONG! If it would ever be implemented, it
 should be Re: BETA (was: 4.0.0.19)

 No! Should be - BETA (was: Re: 4.0.0.19)

 Ummm, three different people and three different
 opinions. Can you provide information about a reliable
 source which deals with this subject?


Actually, I was just reacting to the emphatic That's WRONG!

I think any of the above serves the purpose of indicating that this is
a continuation of the same thread under a new subject.


http://lipas.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/whatsubj.html suggests, for USENET
postings, the third way mentioned above:-

If you change the subject, do it e.g. as follows leaving at least
a part of the original subject. Assume the original subject is

Subject: Re: Changing subjects

but the discussion drifts into a debate about FAQ writing. You
might change that to

Subject: Read the FAQ Jack (was Re: Changing subjects) 



I googled and poked around a bit and found also rfc1855, which simply
says Subject lines should follow the conventions of the group. The
list rules don't cover this point and a search of the last nine
months' postings shows several variants of exactly how to do this. The
convention used by the Moderators in their interjections on this list
is to only carry the subject itself into the brackets with the Was:
and do not put the Re: there too. (-;


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Re: [Wish] Automatic (was: ...), if subject line of reply is edited.

[Volker Ahrendt]

[Reply to: »Volker Ahrendt« · 2008-02-05 · 23:47 h (CET)]

Moin, folks!

 Could there be a implementation, which does this like here:
 Re: BETA (was: Re: 4.0.0.19)

 That's WRONG! If it would ever be implemented, it should be
 Re: BETA (was: 4.0.0.19)

 Good idea! - My favorite news client (40tude Dialog) does so, too:
 If you edit the subject line of a reply the client sets the original
 subject in brackets like above.

I found a (quite good) solution for this problem:

a) Semiautomatic

- Create a Quicktemplate and (out of convenience) assign a shortcut:

  %If:%Subj%OSubj:%Subject='Re: %Subj (was: %OSubj)':%Subj

- Reply to a message and edit the Subject line
- Hit Shortcut
- Be happy! :-)

b) Automatic

- Include the macros in your reply template:

  %If:%Subj%OSubj:%Subject='Re: %Subj (was: %OSubj)':%Subj

- Reply to a message and edit the Subject line
- Be happy! :-)

Pro solution a):

You can run the QT at any time even if the textbody of the new message
is already modified.

Pro solution b):

The macros run really automatically! :-) But there are two
limitations:

1. The template must not contain the macro: %ModifyOnce(Subject)
2. The textbody must *not* be modified *before* you change the subject
   line.

Maybe some of you like this solution, too. ;-)

Cheers!
VA

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Re: [Wish] Automatic (was: ...), if subject line of reply is edited.

[MFPA]

Hi

On Thursday 30 July 2009 at 3:12:49 PM, in
mid:1682819829.20090730161...@ahrendt.net, Volker Ahrendt wrote:


 [Reply to: »Volker Ahrendt« · 2008-02-05 · 23:47 h
 (CET)]

 Moin, folks!

 Could there be a implementation, which does this
 like here: Re: BETA (was: Re: 4.0.0.19)

 That's WRONG! If it would ever be implemented, it
 should be Re: BETA (was: 4.0.0.19)


No! Should be - BETA (was: Re: 4.0.0.19) 


 Good idea! - My favorite news client (40tude Dialog)
 does so, too: If you edit the subject line of a reply
 the client sets the original subject in brackets like
 above.


I do it so rarely that I never encountered this feature when I used 
40tude Dialog.


 I found a (quite good) solution for this problem:

 a) Semiautomatic

 - Create a Quicktemplate and (out of convenience)
 assign a shortcut:

[...]

 b) Automatic

 - Include the macros in your reply template:

[...]

 Pro solution a):

 You can run the QT at any time even if the textbody of
 the new message is already modified.


It would take me longer to look at the QT to remind myself of the 
shortcut than to type three letters, a colon and two brackets! (-;


 Pro solution b):

 The macros run really automatically! :-) But there are
 two limitations:

 1. The template must not contain the macro:
 %ModifyOnce(Subject) 

I don't imagine that is too onerous.

 2. The textbody must *not* be
 modified *before* you change the subject line.

That would probably kill it for me - unless the thread was already not 
related to the subject line, I would only decide to change it if my 
contribution took it in a different direction. I would decide this was 
the case after reading what I had typed... 

 Maybe some of you like this solution, too. ;-)

 Cheers! VA

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Replying to Arabic subject

[Assad Kety]

Hello All,

I noticed that when I reply to a message with Arabic characters in the
subject line, the characters turn into a series of question marks like
this: Re: ???  ?? ?? ? ?

I  would  like  to  grasp  the  opportunity  to  ask  another question
regarding reply to html messages. If I received a message in html with
emoticons,  the  emoticons  are not shown in the reply. How can I make
them appear in the reply as well?

Thanks in advance for any help.

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Re: Replying to Arabic subject

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Assad,

On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:25:21 +0500 GMT (26/Feb/09, 0:25 +0700 GMT),
Assad Kety wrote:

AK I noticed that when I reply to a message with Arabic characters in the
AK subject line, the characters turn into a series of question marks like
AK this: Re: ???  ?? ?? ? ?

Please send a message with Arabic characters in the subject line. I'll
try to reply (but it may take until Sunday evening, as I am off for a
business trip now).

AK I  would  like  to  grasp  the  opportunity  to  ask  another question
AK regarding reply to html messages. If I received a message in html with
AK emoticons,  the  emoticons  are not shown in the reply. How can I make
AK them appear in the reply as well?

I think it has to do with the character set you have chosen for your
editor. 

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Re: Replying to Arabic subject

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Thomas,

On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 05:11:24 +0700 GMT (26/Feb/09, 5:11 +0700 GMT),
Thomas Fernandez wrote:


AK I  would  like  to  grasp  the  opportunity  to  ask  another question
AK regarding reply to html messages. If I received a message in html with
AK emoticons,  the  emoticons  are not shown in the reply. How can I make
AK them appear in the reply as well?

TF I think it has to do with the character set you have chosen for your
TF editor.

Not entirely correct. The emoticons are shown in the viewer, not in
the editor. They are only on your computer and don't get sent with the
message.

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[no subject]

[Eddie Castelli]

Dear all,

Could you please look at this filter? It doesn't work as it should. My
idea is to filter the TBUDL Mission Statement based on Subject and
Recipient. Any idea why it doesn't do as intended? Many thanks


',- [ Filter for TBUDL Mission Statement ]
'|  TB! Message Filter 
'| beginFilter
'| UID: [7443B0B0.01C95DF8.0DF36577.31D2DB58]
'| Name: TBUDL\20Mission\20Statement
'| Filter: 
{\0d\0a\20`2`2`tbudl\20mission\20statement\0d\0a0`1`0`tb...@thebat.dutaint.com\0d\0a}
'| MoveMessage folder \5C\5CTheBat\5CTB!\20udl\20(e)\5CRegister
'| IsActive
'| Ignore
'| endFilter
`-


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[no subject]

[David Embrey]

Hello tbudl,

  For many years I have shared TheBat across several computers on a
  small domestic network by installing a separate copy on each
  computer. I then set up appropriate accounts on each machine for all
  of the users who wanted to see each other users' email traffic in
  addition to their own. The home directory for all of the accounts
  accounts is a shared MAIL directory on one machine on the network.
  Having upgraded to Version 4, I installed this on one of the
  machines and found to my dismay that after using the new system in
  an experimental mode, the directories became horribly corrupted.
  This was only fixed by copying back the corrupted files from a
  backup. Is this problem due to an enhanced security feature in
  version 4? If so, is there any way of setting up the system using
  Version 4 to give me the same type of functionality that I enjoyed
  previously? The machines run on Vista SP1.
  

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Re: (no subject)

[Thomas Fernandez]

On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 21:00:53 +0100
Marek Mikus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello,
 
   
 
Hello, too.

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Re: (no subject)

[Maurice McAdam]

Hello Thomas,

you wrote:

TF On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 21:00:53 +0100
TF Marek Mikus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello,
 
   
 
TF Hello, too.

TF -- 

TF Cheers,

TF Thomas.

Hello, three.

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(no subject)

[Marek Mikus]

Hello,

  

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Czech support of The Bat!
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Threading by references+subject does not work with german AW: reply

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Tbudl,

Hope this wasn't covered somewhere before, I only found a very old
message from 2001 about this:

Did anybody find a solution to thread correctly the answers from
Outlook users replying with the german version of RE: namely AW:?

references+subject does not match in this case.

Thanks!

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Re[2]: Filtering on [] in subject string

[rich gregory]

rg I have a spam filter meant to trigger if a subject line contains
rg [SPAM]. ... the filter is ignoring the brackets ... as any message
rg with SPAM anywhere in the subject line is being sent to the spam
rg folder.
rg Must I do something special to alert the filtering tools NOT to
rg ignore the brackets?

IAW Try a \ before each [ or ] to make the [ or ] seen literally.


Old string = [SPAM]
New string = \[SPAM\]

With the old string the filter ignored the []s so ANY message with SPAM
in the subject (no matter with or without the []s) was placed in the
junk folder.

With the new string the the filter does nothing. Any message with SPAM
or [SPAM] ends up in the inbox like any other unfiltered message.

Thx
RG




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Re[2]: Filtering on [] in subject string

[rich gregory]

IAW Try a \ before each [ or ] to make the [ or ] seen literally.

rg Old string = [SPAM]
rg New string = \[SPAM\]
rg With the old string the filter ignored the []s so ANY message with SPAM
rg in the subject (no matter with or without the []s) was placed in the
rg junk folder.
rg With the new string the the filter does nothing. Any message with SPAM
rg or [SPAM] ends up in the inbox like any other unfiltered message.

IAW Going back to your original message I notice that you use the word
IAW contains. When you use a regexp in your filter, you have to use
IAW matches.


In the sorting office screen where you set up the filters I have

String   = \[SPAM\]
Location = Subject
Presence = Yes

I do not see anything that says either contains or matches

Thx
RG



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Subject Drop Down

[Richard Newman]

Hi Batpeople,

Where, oh where, is the toggle to make drop downs saved in the
Subject pop-up actually pop-up as you type. Long, long ago I shut it
of and can't find where they moved the toggle.

Thanks.

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Re: Subject Drop Down

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Richard,

On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:10:54 -0500GMT (6-2-2007, 23:10 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

RN Where, oh where, is the toggle to make drop downs saved in the
RN Subject pop-up actually pop-up as you type. Long, long ago I shut it
RN of and can't find where they moved the toggle.

  Options - Preferences - Message headers - Subject - Edit - Editing
It used to be located somewhere else (in the same neighbourhood
though), but this offers more flexibility on a per header base.

RN -- 

It looks like your cutsign isn't quite up to par, probably due to your
enthusiastic use of them. TB ignores them all, except for the last
one. So you'd do best to restrict your use to a single one. ;-)

-- 
Groetjes, Roelof

Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact, are transmission errors only!!
http://www.voormijalleen.nl/
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Re[2]: Subject Drop Down

[Richard Newman]

Hello Roelof,

Tuesday, February 6, 2007, 6:00:43 PM, you wrote:
RO   Options - Preferences - Message headers - Subject - Edit - Editing
  Thanks for the guided tour . . . that got me to just where I
  wanted to be. Your messaged is no parked/saved for prosterity.
RO It looks like your cutsign isn't quite up to par, probably due to
Thanks for so gently pointing that out. Should be all fixed now.

As always, thanks.
-- 
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 Richardmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Filtering on [] in subject string

[rich gregory]

Hello Bat-Folk!

I have a spam filter meant to trigger if a subject line contains [SPAM].

It seems as though the filter is ignoring the brackets though as any
message with SPAM anywhere in the subject line is being sent to the spam
folder.


Must I do something special to alert the filtering tools to not ignore
the brackets?

Thx
RG

(Using TB! 2.12)


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Re: Filtering on [] in subject string

[Dwight A Corrin]

On Wednesday, January 31, 2007, 3:05:23 PM, rich gregory wrote:

 Must I do something special to alert the filtering tools to not
 ignore the brackets?

just a guess, try enclosing [spam]  in ' eg '[spam]'


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Re: (no subject)

[MFPA]

Hi

On Tuesday 10 October 2006 at 7:49:24 PM, in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Roelof Otten wrote:

 Could not connect to the server is an odd error. You tried this:
 smtp.googlemail.com   TLS to port 465
 pop.googlemail.comTLS to port 995
 smtp authentication enabled of course, but don't select 'secure
 authentication'

FWIW, here for my gmail account it is
smtp.gmail.com, STARTTLS toport 587 and
pop.gmail.com, TLS to port 995

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MFPA

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Re[2]: (no subject)

[MikeD (2)]

Hello Roelof,

Tuesday, October 10, 2006, 2:49:24 PM, you wrote:

RO Hallo MikeD,

RO On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:18:49 -0400GMT (10-10-2006, 19:18 , where I
RO live), you wrote:

RO You're not able to connect, is that with pop3, smtp or both?

M Both. When I try to receive or send email with TB, it goes out and
M begins the process ... after about 20 seconds I get a could not
M connect to the server in the log file.

RO Could not connect to the server is an odd error. You tried this:
RO smtp.googlemail.com   TLS to port 465
RO pop.googlemail.comTLS to port 995
RO smtp authentication enabled of course, but don't select 'secure
RO authentication'

RO Otherwise I can't think of anything.

I think I tried that ... but I have tried so many variations that I am
not sure :-/

RO Can you access your account via gmail's web interface?
M Yes, I can get on through gmail's web interface see messages in the
M inbox, read them and send messages (well, one anyway g).

RO Just to make sure that had the right username/password.

I checked that several times ... sort of.  I suspect that the problem
revolves around how to reconcile the idea that it is not a 'pure'
gmail account.  I will just have to keep experimenting with various
combinations of things :-/

Thanks for the suggestions.

-- 
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 MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re[2]: (no subject)

[MikeD (2)]

Hello Alexander,

Tuesday, October 10, 2006, 1:00:49 PM, you wrote:

ASK Hello MikeD (2)  everyone else,

ASK on 10-Okt-2006 at 13:35 you (MikeD (2)) wrote:

 I suspect that the problem is that it is a 'hosted' email, that is, it
 is not an '@gmail.com' address, but a different 'domain' that is being
 serviced by gmail.

ASK I have no idea what you mean with this.

The email is through the google gmail service but does not have an
'@gmail.com' domain.

ASK As far as I know you can specify
ASK different outgoing mailaddresses (which is problemating due to various
ASK spam filtering techniques like reverse lookups and SPF), but I wouldn't
ASK know how to process incoming email from with the gmail account (other
ASK than a forwarder - gmail has no POP3 collector service that you can use
ASK to retrieve other accounts... or at least mine hasn't).

ASK Other than that, try to use a regular connection for POP3 instead of
ASK STARTTLS.

Yup gave that one a try too without luck.  But thanks for the
suggestion.

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(no subject)

[MikeD (2)]

Hello all,

   OK ... this is related to this thread:
   http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forum/read.php?FID=4TID=2349

   I have been through that one, but I am still not able to connect.
   I suspect that the problem is that it is a 'hosted' email, that is,
   it is not an '@gmail.com' address, but a different 'domain' that is
   being serviced by gmail.

   I have tried variations on various combinations of 'gmail',
   'googlemail' with and without the hosted domain name without any
   joy.  Has anyone gotten this particular rig to work?

   TIA

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Re: (no subject)

[Mary Bull]

Hello MikeD!

On Tuesday, October 10, 2006, 6:35 AM, you wrote:

OK ... this is related to this thread:
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forum/read.php?FID=4TID=2349

I have been through that one, but I am still not able to connect.
I suspect that the problem is that it is a 'hosted' email, that is,
it is not an '@gmail.com' address, but a different 'domain' that is
being serviced by gmail.

Ah. Yes.

I have tried variations on various combinations of 'gmail',
'googlemail' with and without the hosted domain name without any
joy.  Has anyone gotten this particular rig to work?

I think mine is what you are wanting to do. However, I did not set it
up by myself, so I don't know the particular settings that must be
used.

Leif Gregory, a TB! lists moderator, both sent me the Gmail invitation
and set up the association for me.

Perhaps he will notice this thread and give you some advice.

-- 
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Mary
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Re: (no subject)

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo MikeD,

On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 07:35:52 -0400GMT (10-10-2006, 13:35 , where I
live), you wrote:

MI have been through that one, but I am still not able to connect.
MI suspect that the problem is that it is a 'hosted' email, that is,
Mit is not an '@gmail.com' address, but a different 'domain' that is
Mbeing serviced by gmail.

What exactly do you mean with 'serviced by gmail'?
You're not able to connect, is that with pop3, smtp or both?
Can you access your account via gmail's web interface?

Without any specifics it's hard to give a solution.

-- 
Groetjes, Roelof

Live short and fester.
http://www.voormijalleen.nl/
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Re: (no subject)

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello MikeD (2)  everyone else,

on 10-Okt-2006 at 13:35 you (MikeD (2)) wrote:

 I suspect that the problem is that it is a 'hosted' email, that is, it
 is not an '@gmail.com' address, but a different 'domain' that is being
 serviced by gmail.

I have no idea what you mean with this. As far as I know you can specify
different outgoing mailaddresses (which is problemating due to various
spam filtering techniques like reverse lookups and SPF), but I wouldn't
know how to process incoming email from with the gmail account (other
than a forwarder - gmail has no POP3 collector service that you can use
to retrieve other accounts... or at least mine hasn't).

Other than that, try to use a regular connection for POP3 instead of
STARTTLS.

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Re[2]: (no subject)

[MikeD (2)]

Hello Roelof,

Tuesday, October 10, 2006, 8:36:41 AM, you wrote:

RO Hallo MikeD,

RO On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 07:35:52 -0400GMT (10-10-2006, 13:35 , where I
RO live), you wrote:

MI have been through that one, but I am still not able to connect.
MI suspect that the problem is that it is a 'hosted' email, that is,
Mit is not an '@gmail.com' address, but a different 'domain' that is
Mbeing serviced by gmail.

RO What exactly do you mean with 'serviced by gmail'?

Serviced by: in the sense that the actual email address is
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'  ... gmail is not mentioned in the email
address.  When I log in through the gmail website that is what I have
to put in as the user name ... complete with the domain on the end
... in order to log in.  Apparently it is a service that they are
offering to third parties.

RO You're not able to connect, is that with pop3, smtp or both?

Both. When I try to receive or send email with TB, it goes out and
begins the process ... after about 20 seconds I get a could not
connect to the server in the log file.

RO Can you access your account via gmail's web interface?

Yes, I can get on through gmail's web interface see messages in the
inbox, read them and send messages (well, one anyway g).

And yes, I enabled pop access in the settings screen and verified that
it says pop enabled.

RO Without any specifics it's hard to give a solution.

Sorry, I didn't notice I lost the details I thought I had cut and
pasted from the letter I sent to gmail support :-/

And thanks for the help.

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Re[2]: (no subject)

[MikeD (2)]

Hello Mary,

Tuesday, October 10, 2006, 7:58:44 AM, you wrote:

MB Hello MikeD!

MB On Tuesday, October 10, 2006, 6:35 AM, you wrote:

OK ... this is related to this thread:
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forum/read.php?FID=4TID=2349

I have been through that one, but I am still not able to connect.
I suspect that the problem is that it is a 'hosted' email, that is,
it is not an '@gmail.com' address, but a different 'domain' that is
being serviced by gmail.

MB Ah. Yes.

I have tried variations on various combinations of 'gmail',
'googlemail' with and without the hosted domain name without any
joy.  Has anyone gotten this particular rig to work?

MB I think mine is what you are wanting to do. However, I did not set it
MB up by myself, so I don't know the particular settings that must be
MB used.

MB Leif Gregory, a TB! lists moderator, both sent me the Gmail invitation
MB and set up the association for me.

MB Perhaps he will notice this thread and give you some advice.

I can only hope g  I am sure that the thing that is messing TB up is
that the address is not an '@gmail.com' address.  It is a 'thrid
party' domain that apparently google is hosting for them ... or
something like that.

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Re: (no subject)

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo MikeD,

On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:18:49 -0400GMT (10-10-2006, 19:18 , where I
live), you wrote:

RO You're not able to connect, is that with pop3, smtp or both?

M Both. When I try to receive or send email with TB, it goes out and
M begins the process ... after about 20 seconds I get a could not
M connect to the server in the log file.

Could not connect to the server is an odd error. You tried this:
smtp.googlemail.com   TLS to port 465
pop.googlemail.comTLS to port 995
smtp authentication enabled of course, but don't select 'secure
authentication'

Otherwise I can't think of anything.

RO Can you access your account via gmail's web interface?
M Yes, I can get on through gmail's web interface see messages in the
M inbox, read them and send messages (well, one anyway g).

Just to make sure that had the right username/password.

-- 
Groetjes, Roelof

Being right too soon is socially unacceptable. -- Heinlein
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(no subject)

[MFPA]

Hi



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Re: (no subject)

[MFPA]

Oops. That one escaped. Sorry.

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Re[2]: Is there a way to set up a Reply to automatically use a specific Account based on the Subject?

[z5worg]

Wednesday, July 19, 2006, Chris W. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] @ 2006-7-19 6:47:27 PM
 Is there a way to set up a Reply to automatically use a specific
 Account based on the Subject? mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 %If:%subject=[FCNYC]:%-
 %account='Account3':%-
 %account='Zworg'

 The Subject heading would be something like [FCNYC] AA
 OR Re: [FCNYC] AA

 When I Reply to either of the above message, I want it to use Account
 Account3; but it is using Zworg.

 Am I putting the macro in the wrong place?  Or something else?

 You are performing a literal match. I.e., the subject must match
 [FCNYC] EXACTLY (no more, no less). What you want to do it perform a
 substring match (i.e., if [FCNYC] exists in the subject, then do
 something). For this, take a look at regular expressions.

I looked at Regular Expressions in online help; and it is all greek to
me.

Would appreciate if someone would provide me with the exact syntax.

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Re: Is there a way to set up a Reply to automatically use a specific Account based on the Subject?

[Chris W .]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] @ 2006-7-20 1:59:06 AM
Is there a way to set up a Reply to automatically use a specific Account based 
on the Subject? mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 For this, take a look at regular expressions.

 I looked at Regular Expressions in online help; and it is all greek
 to me. Would appreciate if someone would provide me with the exact
 syntax.

I'm only a regular expression novice, so this (UNTESTED) solution
probably could be improved:

%SETPATTREGEXP='.*(\[FCNYC\]).*'%-
%IF:'%REGEXPMATCH=%OSUBJECT''':'%ACCOUNT=Account3':'%ACCOUNT=Zworg'%-

The %SETPATTREGEXP line tells The Bat! to look for [FCNYC] anywhere
in a string and capture it. Then, %REGEXPMATCH is called with the old
subject. If [FCNYC] is in the old subject, the result of
%REGEXPMATCH is [FCNYC], otherwise the result is the empty string,
. Therefore, the %IF tests to make sure that %REGEXPMATCH did not
result in the empty string. If the result was non-empty, Account3 is
used, otherwise Zworg is used.

-- 
Chris

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Re[3]: Is there a way to set up a Reply to automatically use a specific Account based on the Subject?

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello z5worg,
Thursday, July 20, 2006, 12:59:06 AM, you wrote:

 I looked at Regular Expressions in online help; and it is all greek to
 me.

 Would appreciate if someone would provide me with the exact syntax.

It  would  be easier to just use Contains [FCNYC]. This will not use
regex, but must of course contain exactly what is within the brackets.

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Re: Is there a way to set up a Reply to automatically use a specific Account based on the Subject?

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Hello Stuart Cuddy  everyone else,

on 20-Jul-2006 at 14:47 you (Stuart Cuddy) wrote:

 It  would  be easier to just use Contains [FCNYC].

If this worked in a %IF macro clause, indeed. ;-)

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Filter for subject empty

[Peter Kerekes]

Lately I am getting a lot of spam with no subject. I use Bayes Filter,
which doesn't put it in the spam folder.

How can I set up my incoming filter for indicating subject: empty.

I would place it after the filter for known therefore in case one of
my correspondent forget to put a subject line (it happens
occasionally) it would recognize from the address and filter it to
this folder.

Thanks for the advise

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Re[2]: Is there a way to set up a Reply to automatically use a specific Account based on the Subject?

[z5worg]

Thursday, July 20, 2006, Chris W. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] @ 2006-7-20 1:59:06 AM
 Is there a way to set up a Reply to automatically use a specific
 Account based on the Subject?
 mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 For this, take a look at regular expressions.

 I looked at Regular Expressions in online help; and it is all greek
 to me. Would appreciate if someone would provide me with the exact
 syntax.

 I'm only a regular expression novice, so this (UNTESTED) solution
 probably could be improved:

 %SETPATTREGEXP='.*(\[FCNYC\]).*'%-
 %IF:'%REGEXPMATCH=%OSUBJECT''':'%ACCOUNT=Account3':'%ACCOUNT=Zworg'%-

 The %SETPATTREGEXP line tells The Bat! to look for [FCNYC] anywhere
 in a string and capture it. Then, %REGEXPMATCH is called with the old
 subject. If [FCNYC] is in the old subject, the result of
 %REGEXPMATCH is [FCNYC], otherwise the result is the empty string,
 . Therefore, the %IF tests to make sure that %REGEXPMATCH did not
 result in the empty string. If the result was non-empty, Account3 is
 used, otherwise Zworg is used.

Thanks, Chris, it works.


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Re[3]: Is there a way to set up a Reply to automatically use a specific Account based on the Subject?

[z5worg]

Tuesday, July 18, 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Robin Anson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 at 00:50:18 -0400, Z5worg wrote:

 Can one write a conditional filter for the Outgoing message to use
 Account XYZ if the Subject is ABC?  If yes, please specify the exact
 macro(?).

 Sure. Put the following in an appropriate message template or quick
 template:

 %If:%subject=ABC:%-
 %account='XYZ':%-
 %account='LMN'


 Thanks.  Works like a charm.

Sorry, I spoke too soon.  It was a fluke; and it doesn't work.

Here is what I did:

I have two lists -- FCNYC and FCNYC_Cafe -- filtered into a folder named
FreeCycle, in Account Zworg.  And I put the following macro in folder
FreeCycle's Reply template -- including all the single/double quotes:

%If:%subject=[FCNYC]:%-
%account='Account3':%-
%account='Zworg'

The Subject heading would be something like [FCNYC] AA
OR Re: [FCNYC] AA

When I Reply to either of the above message, I want it to use Account
Account3; but it is using Zworg.

Am I putting the macro in the wrong place?  Or something else?

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Re: Is there a way to set up a Reply to automatically use a specific Account based on the Subject?

[Chris W .]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] @ 2006-7-19 6:47:27 PM
Is there a way to set up a Reply to automatically use a specific Account based 
on the Subject? mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 %If:%subject=[FCNYC]:%-
 %account='Account3':%-
 %account='Zworg'

 The Subject heading would be something like [FCNYC] AA
 OR Re: [FCNYC] AA

 When I Reply to either of the above message, I want it to use Account
 Account3; but it is using Zworg.

 Am I putting the macro in the wrong place?  Or something else?

You are performing a literal match. I.e., the subject must match
[FCNYC] EXACTLY (no more, no less). What you want to do it perform a
substring match (i.e., if [FCNYC] exists in the subject, then do
something). For this, take a look at regular expressions.

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Re: Is there a way to set up a Reply to automatically use a specific Account based on the Subject?

[Robin Anson]

On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 at 00:50:18 -0400, Z5worg wrote:

 Can one write a conditional filter for the Outgoing message to use
 Account XYZ if the Subject is ABC?  If yes, please specify the exact
 macro(?).

Sure. Put the following in an appropriate message template or quick
template:

%If:%subject=ABC:%-
%account='XYZ':%-
%account='LMN'

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Re: Is there a way to set up a Reply to automatically use a specific Account based on the Subject?

[Chris W .]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] @ 2006-7-18 12:50:18 AM
Is there a way to set up a Reply to automatically use a specific Account based 
on the Subject? mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 We are discussing this very topic since yesterday, in the messages
 starting with msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] which you
 might want to read first to avoid the redundancy.

 How do I get to that topic?

IF you are using The Bat! and have that message downloaded, simply
clicking on the link will cause the message to open.

For example, try this:
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
It should open your original message.

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Re[2]: Is there a way to set up a Reply to automatically use a specific Account based on the Subject?

[z5worg]

Tuesday, July 18, 2006, Robin Anson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 at 00:50:18 -0400, Z5worg wrote:

 Can one write a conditional filter for the Outgoing message to use
 Account XYZ if the Subject is ABC?  If yes, please specify the exact
 macro(?).

 Sure. Put the following in an appropriate message template or quick
 template:

 %If:%subject=ABC:%-
 %account='XYZ':%-
 %account='LMN'


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Re: Is there a way to set up a Reply to automatically use a specific Account based on the Subject?

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED]  everyone else,

on 17-Jul-2006 at 05:30 you ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

 I subscribe to a mailing list which is set up so that a Reply would
 automatically go the email address of the message's author (instead of
 to the list's address). But the List is identified in the Subject.

We are discussing this very topic since yesterday, in the messages
starting with msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] which you
might want to read first to avoid the redundancy.

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Re[2]: Is there a way to set up a Reply to automatically use a specific Account based on the Subject?

[z5worg]

Monday, July 17, 2006, Alexander S. Kunz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED]  everyone else,

 on 17-Jul-2006 at 05:30 you ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

 I subscribe to a mailing list which is set up so that a Reply would
 automatically go the email address of the message's author (instead of
 to the list's address). But the List is identified in the Subject.

 We are discussing this very topic since yesterday, in the messages
 starting with msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] which you
 might want to read first to avoid the redundancy.

How do I get to that topic?

I tried the archive at
http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/ and there are no
message ids attached to the messages.

If you are referring to the topic Lists that don't overwrite the
Reply-To header, my question is different.

I filter two similar announcement Lists to the same folder; and each
List is identified with the List name in the Subject. When I reply to
the author of the message, I would like to to send the reply from
different Accounts -- depending on which List.

Can one write a conditional filter for the Outgoing message to use
Account XYZ if the Subject is ABC?  If yes, please specify the exact
macro(?).

If no, any other way to accomplish that?

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Is there a way to set up a Reply to automatically use a specific Account based on the Subject?

[z5worg]

I subscribe to a mailing list which is set up so that a Reply would
automatically go the email address of the message's author (instead of
to the list's address).  But the List is identified in the Subject.

So is there a way to set up a Reply to automatically use a specific
email Account based on the Subject ??

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Re: (no subject)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello rich,

On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:01:01 -0400 GMT (15/07/2006, 09:01 +0700 GMT),
rich gregory wrote:


rg Hello Bat-Folk!

Hallo folder template!


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Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] inserted in subject line

[Arjun Sahani]

Hi Peter,


How can you be so sure about that, being tagged on your side?


AS Because  when my recipient reply to me they have something like that:
AS Re: [Suspected Spam] .


Ahhh...
No proof of some outgoing program / tool adding that line.
More like some incoming filter which adds it. As you wrote above: 
when my recipient reply to me


It is not an incoming filter because the subject of the receipt confirmation 
that I get from MAILER-DAEMON says Delivery report: [SUSPECTED SPAM] 



Did you check if your recipient received the msg including [Suspected
Spam] in the subject? What's the answer?


Yes they do receive. I strongly feel it is my ISP the main culprit. I 
suspect they have some sort of bayesian filter running and does not like 
something with the message header generated by TB!. I am trying to sort this 
out with them.


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Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] inserted in subject line

[Feli Wilcke]

Hello Arjun,

On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:44:07 +0530GMT Arjun Sahani wrote:

Did you check if your recipient received the msg including [Suspected
Spam] in the subject? What's the answer?

AS Yes they do receive. I strongly feel it is my ISP the main culprit. I 
AS suspect they have some sort of bayesian filter running and does not like
AS something with the message header generated by TB!.

Do you have this problem with all mails or only with HTML-mails?

Any time I forward a HTML-mail in HTML-Format to my company mail
address, this mail is tagged as Spam. This does not happen when I
forward as plain text with HTML attachment. The reason in my case is,
that my company uses a 2 years old version of SpamAssassin (v 2.64)
and SpamAssasin thinks that TB is not able to send HTML mails.

Perhaps your problem has a similar cause.

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Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] inserted in subject line

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Arjun Sahani  everyone else,

on 21-Apr-2006 at 02:21 you (Arjun Sahani) wrote:

 I am only using the web inteface of hotmail to send this until I find a 
 solution for the Suspected Spam problem.

Are you using thìs hotmail account when you use TheBat? If so, you can't
simply relay messages thru your ISPs SMTP server. You MUST use the
hotmail SMTP servers.

[Hotmail supports the Sender Policy Framework: servers that are allowed
to send mail with a from address @hotmail.com are identified in the DNS.
If you're sending a mail as [EMAIL PROTECTED] and do not send it over
hotmails own SMTP server (but via your ISPs), a spam checker on the way
may report a forged sender address because the sending SMTP server and
the SMTP servers registered as allowed do not match]

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Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] inserted in subject line

[Arjun Sahani]

Hi Ian,


AS Yes they do receive. I strongly feel it is my ISP the main
AS culprit. I suspect they have some sort of bayesian filter running
AS and does not like something with the message header generated by
AS TB!. I am trying to sort this out with them.



Well, I do know that the spam filter of Norton Internet Security will
add things to the Subject of incoming mail that is scanned for spam.


I think the ISP has such a filter but what puzzled me is that the filter 
operates on outgoing mail as well. It is weird.



As to why it does not happen with other mail clients, some spam
filters consider mail created by The Bat! is potential spam.


I have spoken longly with the ISP people and they possibly have found 
something that could be causing the problem. Like Roelof pointed to me in a 
private mail, it is definitely their SMTP filter that is adding the spam tag 
to my message. They promise to fix it on Monday!!!


I want to thank everyone for their precious help and for pointing me to the 
possible origin of the problems.


Regards,
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Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] inserted in subject line

[Arjun Sahani]

Hi Feli,


Did you check if your recipient received the msg including [Suspected
Spam] in the subject? What's the answer?

AS Yes they do receive. I strongly feel it is my ISP the main culprit. I
AS suspect they have some sort of bayesian filter running and does not 
like

AS something with the message header generated by TB!.

Do you have this problem with all mails or only with HTML-mails?


No, I don't use HTML-mail at all.


Any time I forward a HTML-mail in HTML-Format to my company mail
address, this mail is tagged as Spam. This does not happen when I
forward as plain text with HTML attachment. The reason in my case is,
that my company uses a 2 years old version of SpamAssassin (v 2.64)
and SpamAssasin thinks that TB is not able to send HTML mails.

Perhaps your problem has a similar cause.


Though my problem does not seem to originate from HTML mail but I do think 
that the ISP filtering system that causing this. But whether it is 
SpamAssassin I don't know this.


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[SUSPECTED SPAM] inserted in subject line

[Arjun Sahani]

Hi,

I have a very weird problem when using the bat! I have [SUSPECTED SPAM] 
inserted infront of my subject. It's not inserted by my smtp server because 
when I use another email program I do not get this. I spoke with the ISP and 
they have no clue either. They tell me it is my email program which is the 
culprit.


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Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] inserted in subject line

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Arjun Sahani  everyone else,

on 20-Apr-2006 at 23:02 you (Arjun Sahani) wrote:

 I have a very weird problem when using the bat! I have [SUSPECTED SPAM]
 inserted infront of my subject. It's not inserted by my smtp server because
 when I use another email program I do not get this. I spoke with the ISP and
 they have no clue either. They tell me it is my email program which is the
 culprit.

First, check Options / Preferences / Protection / Anti-Spam if you are
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Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] inserted in subject line

[Arjun Sahani]

Hi Alexander,

 I have a very weird problem when using the bat! I have [SUSPECTED 
SPAM]
 inserted infront of my subject. It's not inserted by my smtp server 
because
 when I use another email program I do not get this. I spoke with the ISP 
and
 they have no clue either. They tell me it is my email program which is 
the

 culprit.

First, check Options / Preferences / Protection / Anti-Spam if you are
using any anti-spam plugin.


I thought the same too. I was using BayesFilter and removed it but no 
chance. I tried playing with the X-Mailer field but did not work.


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Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] inserted in subject line

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Arjun Sahani  everyone else,

on 20-Apr-2006 at 23:50 you (Arjun Sahani) wrote:

First, check Options / Preferences / Protection / Anti-Spam if you are
using any anti-spam plugin.

 I thought the same too. I was using BayesFilter and removed it but no 
 chance.

So, that preferences option is entirely empty?

  I tried playing with the X-Mailer field but did not work.

Ah. You mean the subject line is included in messages SENT by you? In
that case, it can't be any antispam plugin, because it is only used on
message you are receiving. Its not used for outgoing messages.

Check your Sent Mail folder. If the subject line is not there, its not
TheBat.

If any remote system is classifying your mails as spam and it only
happens when you're using TheBat, the X-Mailer header is the only known
culprit, in that case it should be disabled.

If it happens even when the X-Mailer header is disabled, its something
else on the way from your end to the remote end. Maybe you're relaying
your mails over a blacklisted gateway, or something.

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