IMAP Spam Filtering

2006-05-18 Thread Kevin Menard

Hi,

It's been a while since I've last used TB! seriously (lack of IMAP
spam filtering was too much of a hassle).  Has this front improved at
all?  If not, what do you IMAP users out there use?

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Re: IMAP Spam Filtering

2006-05-18 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Kevin,

On Thu, 18 May 2006 09:59:44 -0400GMT (18-5-2006, 15:59 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

KJM It's been a while since I've last used TB! seriously (lack of IMAP
KJM spam filtering was too much of a hassle).  Has this front improved at
KJM all?  If not, what do you IMAP users out there use?

Even though I'm using POP3, I'm using server side spam filtering. I
can't imagine any IMAP user using something else. Client side
filtering is rather contra productive when you're storing your message
base on the server side.

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Re: IMAP Spam Filtering

2006-05-18 Thread Peter Fjelsten
Roelof,

On 18-05-2006 16:20, you [RO] wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
RO Even though I'm using POP3, I'm using server side spam filtering. I
RO can't imagine any IMAP user using something else.

I have to. My host does not have server side.

Exception is SpamAssassin filtering which puts my spam in a spam
mailbox. The rest is done client side.

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Re: IMAP Spam Filtering

2006-05-18 Thread Kevin Menard

On 5/18/06, Roelof Otten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Even though I'm using POP3, I'm using server side spam filtering. I
can't imagine any IMAP user using something else. Client side
filtering is rather contra productive when you're storing your message
base on the server side.


Unfortunately, that's not much of an option when I don't run the
servers.  Maybe I'll go back to letting Opera or Thunderbird do the
spam filtering and TB! for everything else.  I'm not too concerned
about disk space, just having to manually sift through all the junk.

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Spam Filtering

2006-01-17 Thread Barry
Hi all

I've noticed that I'm now starting to get spams that ask for reading
confirmation and it occurred to me that some users may unknowingly have
their computers set to automatically reply to such requests, therefore
giving the spammers confirmation of a bone fide email address.

I have my system set up to prompt me before sending reading confirmations,
but I wondered what the default TB action was and also if it was possible
to set up a filter to ignore reading confirmations unless, say the sender
was in your address book?

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Re: Spam Filtering

2006-01-17 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo BJH,

On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 10:28:58 +GMT (17-1-2006, 11:28 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

B I have my system set up to prompt me before sending reading confirmations,
B but I wondered what the default TB action was and also if it was possible
B to set up a filter to ignore reading confirmations unless, say the sender
B was in your address book?

I don't know what TB's default setting is. I think ask before sending,
but I've set it to ignore always.
It is possible to create a filter that checks for reading
confirmations. I don't know what the right header is, but you can set
a read filter that checks whether the recipient is in your AB and
checks for the presence of the appropriate header. With as action a
read confirmation.

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spam filtering

2005-09-16 Thread Terry G. Munson
Hi All

I finally gave up on using the bayes filtering in TB! and decided to
try K9.

It is working very well the only problem I have now is with one
newsletter I receive.

The newsletter has this header

X-Habeas-Report: Please report use of this mark in spam to...

This causes my filter to put the newsletter in my spam folder since my
filter looks for the word spam in the headers.

Is there anything I can do to fix this?  Is there a more sophisticated
way to setup my filter to work with K9?

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Re: spam filtering

2005-09-16 Thread Zeynel Öztürk
Hello Terry,

On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 at 11:21:48 -0700, (which is
16.09.2005 at 21:21:48 +2000 where I live), you wrote:

 This causes my filter to put the newsletter in my spam folder since my
 filter looks for the word spam in the headers.

You  can  try  to  look entire header line instead of only spam
word  in headers. I don't know how Your K9 is configured but mine
is  configured  to  put  X-Text-Classification:  spam  for spam
messages. So Your filter should look something like:

Header   Contains  X-Text-Classification: spam

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Re: spam filtering

2005-09-16 Thread Terry G. Munson
Hello Zeynel,

Friday, September 16, 2005, 11:47:23 AM, you wrote:

 You can try to look entire header line instead of only spam word
 in headers.

Perfect...thanks for the help.

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Re: Spam Filtering

2004-05-22 Thread Andrew
Hello Gene,

Friday, May 21, 2004, 6:53:29 AM, you wrote:

GB BayesIT had been working pretty well

is it the best spam plugin available?

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Re: Spam Filtering

2004-05-21 Thread Jimmie Toney
On 5/21/04, at 1:01 AM, Gene Brown sent the following:

GB BayesIT had been working pretty well for me up until upgrading to the
GB current TB version with the built-in plug-in.  I tried to bring it up to
GB speed by running through all my old junk mail as well as a collection of
GB good mail, but it still wasn't catching much after about a week of operation
GB and I was wondering what was wrong.


Go to check and see what version of BayesIT you have, I will guess that it is
something other than 0.4. That is what I found out, once I deleted out the
BayesIT that was installed with the program and put 0.4 in things seem to be
working fine now. It was just last night that I did this so haven't had much
chance to really check it, but it has caught some and before I wasn't catching
any.

If you go to the website and then to Knowledge Base you will find an article
about the BayesIT filter and where to get the latest version.

Good Luck

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Re: Spam Filtering

2004-05-21 Thread Andre Wichartz
Hello Jimmie,

On 21 May 2004 at 01:09:22 -0500 GMT [08:09 CEST] you wrote:

JT Go to check and see what version of BayesIT you have, I will guess that it is
JT something other than 0.4. That is what I found out, once I deleted out the
JT BayesIT that was installed with the program and put 0.4 in things seem to be
JT working fine now.

But 0.4 is pretty old and 0.5 works much better. From my experience you
have to retrain when you upgrade to 0.5, though.

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Re[2]: Spam Filtering

2004-05-21 Thread Jimmie Toney
On 5/21/04, at 5:25 AM, Andre Wichartz sent the following:


JT Go to check and see what version of BayesIT you have, I will guess that it is
JT something other than 0.4. That is what I found out, once I deleted out the
JT BayesIT that was installed with the program and put 0.4 in things seem to be
JT working fine now.

AW But 0.4 is pretty old and 0.5 works much better. From my experience you
AW have to retrain when you upgrade to 0.5, though.

I didn't know there was an 0.5 but when I installed TB! there was a much older
version that it installed. Will go look for 0.5 was just there last night and
thought 0.4 was the latest.

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Re[2]: Spam Filtering

2004-05-21 Thread Alex Ezell
On Friday, May 21, 2004, 6:00:44 AM, Andre wrote:

 But 0.4 is pretty old and 0.5 works much better. From my experience you
 have to retrain when you upgrade to 0.5, though.

When I upgraded to 0.5, I not only had to retrain, but I ended up
tanking all the files from any previous BayesIT installation. So, all
of my spambases went into the trash and then I reinstalled 0.5 and
then trained it.

Just wanted to clarify.

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Re: Spam Filtering

2004-05-21 Thread Andre Wichartz
Hello Alex,

On 21 May 2004 at 09:12:17 -0400 GMT [15:12 CEST] you wrote:

AE When I upgraded to 0.5, I not only had to retrain, but I ended up
AE tanking all the files from any previous BayesIT installation. So, all
AE of my spambases went into the trash and then I reinstalled 0.5 and
AE then trained it.

Yes. Beginning from zero. That's what I meant by retraining.

AE Just wanted to clarify.

Thanks.

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Re: Spam Filtering

2004-05-21 Thread Andre Wichartz
Hello Jimmie,

On 21 May 2004 at 05:27:33 -0500 GMT [12:27 CEST] you wrote:

JT I didn't know there was an 0.5 but when I installed TB! there was a much older
JT version that it installed. Will go look for 0.5 was just there last night and
JT thought 0.4 was the latest.

The webpage isn't up-to-date I think. Get 0.5.3 here:
http://www.ritlabs.com/download/bayesit/bayesit053.rar

There's also 0.5.4 but I think that only comes with tb! Don't ask me
about the differences, I'm still using 0.5.3.

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Re: Spam Filtering

2004-05-21 Thread Andre Wichartz
On 21 May 2004 at 17:28:59 +0200 GMT [17:28 CEST] I wrote:

AW The webpage isn't up-to-date I think. Get 0.5.3 here:
AW http://www.ritlabs.com/download/bayesit/bayesit053.rar

AW There's also 0.5.4 but I think that only comes with tb! Don't ask me
AW about the differences, I'm still using 0.5.3.

Upon some experimenting I found that can get up to 0.5.5 with url:
http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/bayesit/bayesit054.rar
http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/bayesit/bayesit055.rar

I've seen no anouncement of those, though, and this is the first time I
see anything about v0.5.5. Thus I don't know how 'official' they are..

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Re: Spam Filtering

2004-05-21 Thread Gene Brown

So, what do those choices about Average, Maximal and Minimal
really mean?  Average of what? Minimal of what?

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Re[2]: Spam Filtering

2004-05-21 Thread Marek Mikus
Hello all,
Friday, May 21, 2004, Gene Brown wrote:

 So, what do those choices about Average, Maximal and Minimal
 really mean?  Average of what? Minimal of what?

this setting is needed, if You use more antispam plugins.

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Spam Filtering

2004-05-20 Thread Gene Brown
A few days ago someone had a question about spam filtering problems
but it drifted off into a conversation about untrimmed replies, so I
thought I'd raise it again.

BayesIT had been working pretty well for me up until upgrading to the
current TB version with the built-in plug-in.  I tried to bring it up
to speed by running through all my old junk mail as well as a
collection of good mail, but it still wasn't catching much after about
a week of operation and I was wondering what was wrong.

I finally set my score greater than box to 5 out of 100 (!), and now
things are looking up--it's catching maybe eighty percent of the spam
with no false positives.  But 5 seems an awfully low number to use,
and I'm always checking for good mail showing up in my junk box.  Am I
doing something wrong or is this how it works?  Will I be able to
raise the score over time to give myself more peace of mind?

And just what do those choices about Average, Maximal and Minimal
really mean?  I've fooled around with changing the settings but can
see no difference in performance.

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Re: SPAM Filtering Problems

2004-05-19 Thread Sean H.
Brien King wrote:
TBUDL,
  I'm using The Bat! Version 2.10.03
  under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1
The Spam Filtering does not appear to be working on
TheBat!
It is not catching ANY SPAM at all.
Well, this isn't helpful, but FWIW I have the same problem. Even 
setting the score to 5 didn't help. I use IMAP, and I've come to 
assume that Bayesit doesn't work on IMAP connections. But maybe the 
problem lies elsewhere.

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Re[2]: SPAM Filtering Problems

2004-05-19 Thread Brien King
 On Wednesday, May 19, 2004, 9:07:05 AM, you wrote:
 Brien King wrote:

 TBUDL,
 
 
   I'm using The Bat! Version 2.10.03
   under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1
 
 
 The Spam Filtering does not appear to be working on
 TheBat!
 
 It is not catching ANY SPAM at all.
 

 Well, this isn't helpful, but FWIW I have the same problem. Even
 setting the score to 5 didn't help. I use IMAP, and I've come to
 assume that Bayesit doesn't work on IMAP
 connections. But maybe the 
 problem lies elsewhere.



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Re: Mod: Untrimmed reply (was: SPAM Filtering Problems)

2004-05-19 Thread jwayne
On Wednesday, May 19, 2004, 1:08:21 PM, Leif Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

LG Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not
LG just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have
LG instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Brien.

Getting an awful lot of these moderator's top posting / improper sig notes
lately.

Can they be sent to individuals rather than the whole list?

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Re: Mod: Untrimmed reply (was: SPAM Filtering Problems)

2004-05-19 Thread Leif Gregory
Hello jwayne,

Wednesday, May 19, 2004, 12:14:05 PM, you wrote:
jwayne Can they be sent to individuals rather than the whole list?

And it appears you've ignored every one dealing with the sigs.

See below:

jwayne jon
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SPAM Filtering Problems

2004-05-18 Thread Brien King
TBUDL,


  I'm using The Bat! Version 2.10.03
  under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1


The Spam Filtering does not appear to be working on
TheBat!

It is not catching ANY SPAM at all.

I have the Protection set at Average and to move junk
mail on a score of 60 or more.

I have marked several hundred messages as Junk and
Several hundred messages as NOT Junk and the filter
doesn't appear to be working at all.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.


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Re[2]: Reply formatting habits (was: Easier spam filtering)

2002-05-15 Thread Mitja Perko

Hello Jan,

   Select the text you want  F4.

Nice... I have not seen this. Shift-F4 is nice too. You never stop
learning :).

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Re: Easier spam filtering

2002-05-14 Thread Roelof Otten

Hello James,

On Mon, 13 May 2002 22:08:52 -0400GMT (14-5-02, 4:08 +0200GMT, where I
live), you wrote:

JVH The Bat has so many things, but I feel more concentration on spam
JVH features is necessary.

I think it has lots of possibilities already.

JVH 1. The Bat needs a way to a import a large list of spam keywords
JVH and phrases.

The bigger the list, the easier to trigger non spam messages.

JVH 2. Yahoo has a one click Block this sender feature. The Bat
JVH needs a one click This is spam feature.

Create a spam filter based on an Address Book group, with a click on
the Sender you can add the address to the spam AB group.

JVH 3. A point system could be implemented. The Bat should count spam
JVH keywords, and tally up the points. Then automatically direct them
JVH into folders like:
JVH Inbox
JVH Possibly Spam
JVH Most likely Spam
JVH Spam Trash

I wouldn't like three spam folders. I hardly get spammed, because I'm
carefull wqhere I publish my address. And that's the best way to
prevent spam.

JVH 4. All spam should be marked as read. I don't want to see the
JVH bat wings flying for incoming spam emails.

That's a simple action that can be added to your spam filter

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Re: Easier spam filtering

2002-05-14 Thread Allie C Martin

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The selective download filter system can work with an external
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Anyway

Sounds like you need a dedicated spam filtering system of which many
already exist. I used spam-killer for a while and it was quite
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Re[2]: Easier spam filtering

2002-05-14 Thread Mitja Perko

Hello Allie,

You can also try free SpamWeasel. Very nice program.

Best regards,
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JVH phrases.

 The selective download filter system can work with an external
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Reply formatting habits (was: Easier spam filtering)

2002-05-14 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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@14 May 2002, 12:30:19 +0200 (11:30 UK time) Mitja Perko wrote in
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 You can also try free SpamWeasel. Very nice program.

moderator
Please trim your quotes to simply provide context for your replies.
This message was a good example of over quoting.

Thank you.
/moderator

I will say this once again, since I was argued with the last time and
the problem persists:

One major cause of over-quoting is top quoting - typing your reply
at the top of a message. IMO this is a) lazy and b) 80% of exponents
of this method of reply leave the original quoted text unadulterated
below their sign off.

Top quoting creates non-conversational, hard to follow responses.
There's no rule against it, but I'd like to discourage it as a bad
habit.

*Much* better is the format:
___
 .. specific question snipped from original ...

Your answer

 ... Someone else's trimmed point ...

 issue raised

Your comment.
¯¯¯
This makes replies *so* much more legible and conversations suddenly
make sense.

Here's what your reply *should* have looked like:
___
(reply pre-amble)

 ... I used spam-killer for a while and it was quite effective.

You can also try free SpamWeasel. Very nice program.

(signature)
¯¯¯

Much tidier.

This point is not really for debate or defensive rebuff - more for
quiet consideration in the privacy of your own Inbox. The exponents of
top-quoting have had their say and the bad habits that arise from that
method persist. I'd like to see messages on this list follow higher
standards of legibility and consideration.

Thanks for listening.

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Re: Reply formatting habits (was: Easier spam filtering)

2002-05-14 Thread Mitja Perko

 moderator
 Please trim your quotes to simply provide context for your replies.
 This message was a good example of over quoting.

 Thank you.
 /moderator

I apologize. I usually quote the message like you have seen so that
recipient can see what is it about and write at the top. In this case
I just hit reply, wrote it and sent it. Can TB! help with this? Is it
possible to trim the text?

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Re: Reply formatting habits (was: Easier spam filtering)

2002-05-14 Thread David Elliott

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Hail Mitja

On 14 May 2002 at 19:49:21 +0200 (which was 18:49 where I live) Mitja Perko
thoughtfully wrote the following

 I apologize. I usually quote the message like you have seen so that
 recipient can see what is it about and write at the top. In this case
 I just hit reply, wrote it and sent it. Can TB! help with this? Is it
 possible to trim the text?

(1) Put a cut line in your reply template. That will help others.

(2) In your reply template put this regexp

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(^(-*?\s*?--\s*\n%-
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in place of

==8=
%Quotes
==8=

This will at least cut of the sigs, PGP/GnuPG sig

I hope that helps.

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Easier spam filtering

2002-05-13 Thread James Van Horn

OK, guys, I need your help.

Currently, it takes a Ctrl-Shift-F plus 6 clicks to create a spam filter
for a given spam message.

Please tell me there is an easier way!  Last year I received 50,000+
emails.
   

Thanks,
James

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Re: Easier spam filtering

2002-05-13 Thread Jonathan Angliss

On Monday, May 13, 2002, Marck D Pearlstone wrote...

 The simplest and most effective spam filter is the Sherlock (process
 of elimination) method as originally suggested by Steve Lamb and
 explained by Allie Martin:

Process of elimination works very well... until you start getting spam
in  mailing lists ;) I do fully agree with the idea though. Filter all
the   good   mail   into  your  mail  folder  (like  friends,  family,
colleagues), then filter lists, mail shots you requested etc, then the
rest  should simply be spam. But as I said, this is all okay in theory
until you start getting spam in your list boxes. I have to put my spam
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phrases.


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Re: Easier spam filtering

2002-05-13 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi James,

@13 May 2002, 14:49:26 -0400 (19:49 UK time) James Van Horn wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Currently, it takes a Ctrl-Shift-F plus 6 clicks to create a spam
 filter for a given spam message.

 Please tell me there is an easier way!  Last year I received 50,000+
 emails.

The simplest and most effective spam filter is the Sherlock (process
of elimination) method as originally suggested by Steve Lamb and
explained by Allie Martin:

- ---8
The easiest way to get rid of spam is by first excluding all mail that
is legitimately for you and then simply considering the rest spam.
With this method you hardly ever get legitimate mail ending up in the
spam folder or spam ending up in the inbox.

Order is important since TB processes filters from the top down.

First create filters for all your regular legitimate mail.

Then create a filter to place all other messages addressed to you in
the inbox or some other created 'sundry' folder.

Then create the spam filter, which should be the last filter in the
list. Set it up to place the rest of messages that do not satisfy any
of the other previous filter rules in a spam folder.

Typically this will be:

String: e, location: Kludges, Presence: Yes.

With this setup I assure you that your inbox will be clean. Very few
spammers address messages directly to you and that's the reason why
this method works so well. If the message is not from x, y, z, etc or
it's not addressed directly to me, then it MUST be spam. :)

You can very likely add some general spam filters for spam messages
addressed to you based on subject content.

I would also recommend that you make use of the spamcop service
http://spamcop.net. After a few months of use, incoming spam has
dropped from five per day to one or two per week. When spammers
realize that your address is one of those responsible for getting them
kicked off their current ISP, they soon take it off the list!
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Re: Easier spam filtering

2002-05-13 Thread Allie C Martin

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Jonathan Angliss [JA] wrote:
...
JA Process of elimination works very well... until you start getting
JA spam in mailing lists ;) I do fully agree with the idea though.
JA Filter all the good mail into your mail folder (like friends,
JA family, colleagues), then filter lists, mail shots you requested
JA etc, then the rest should simply be spam. But as I said, this is
JA all okay in theory until you start getting spam in your list
JA boxes. I have to put my spam filters above all but this mailing
JA list. I match on key subjects, and phrases.

That's an exceptional circumstance.

At present my filter setup catches 99.99% of my spam messages
(~12/day) and an occasional legitimate message.

Creating a new filter for each spam message is a tedious effort and
places a lot of overhead on message processing when so many filter
rules are present.

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Re: Easier spam filtering

2002-05-13 Thread Jonathan Angliss

On Monday, May 13, 2002, James Van Horn wrote...

 Hi Jonathan,

 I  don't  understand.  How  could  I possibly filter all of the good
 mail? I run a business and am contacted by new people all the time.

Most  of  the  time,  a nice quick and easy way to get rid of a lot of
mail,  is check to make sure you're in the TO field. I'm assuming most
new  people would contact you directly, as with colleagues and such. A
lot  of  the  spam  I receive isn't even addressed to me... or doesn't
even  come  with  a TO or CC field (magic ;)). Another way is to start
filtering  on  keywords...  making  sure not to filter on words you're
likely  to  receive  in  new  people's  emails.  Common  ones  include
credit,  debt,  mortgage,  adult, xxx, porn etc. These are
okay unless you work in a credit agency that specializes mortgages ;)

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Re: Easier spam filtering

2002-05-13 Thread Jonathan Angliss

On Monday, May 13, 2002, Allie C Martin wrote...

 That's an exceptional circumstance.

An exceptional circumstance that hits erm... about 9 of my mailing
lists ;)  But they they're all high profile (see www.undernet.org).

 At present my filter setup catches 99.99% of my spam messages
 (~12/day) and an occasional legitimate message.

lol... ~12? hehehehe... lucky you ;)  I processed 30 before I left for
work this morning... and that was between the hours of 12:30am and
5:00am :)

 Creating a new filter for each spam message is a tedious effort and
 places a lot of overhead on message processing when so many filter
 rules are present.

I know, which is why you can assign OR conditions to the filters...
not a separate filter then... well... not technically anyway.

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Re: Easier spam filtering

2002-05-13 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Jonathan,

@13 May 2002, 14:40:15 -0500 (20:40 UK time) Jonathan Angliss wrote in
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 Process of elimination works very well... until you start getting
 spam in  mailing lists ;)

Best thing there is to put pressure on the ML admins to close the list
and restrict posting to subscribers only. More and more are going that
way all the time. We've always done that here.

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Re: Easier spam filtering

2002-05-13 Thread Allie C Martin

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James Van Horn [JVH] wrote:
...
JVH I don't understand. How could I possibly filter all of the good
JVH mail? I run a business and am contacted by new people all the
JVH time.

A good penultimate filter would be one that filters messages directly
addressed to you or your business.

A large quantity of spam aren't addressed directly to the recipient.

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Re: Easier spam filtering

2002-05-13 Thread Jonathan Angliss

On Monday, May 13, 2002, Marck D Pearlstone wrote...

 Hi Jonathan,

 Best  thing  there  is to put pressure on the ML admins to close the
 list  and  restrict  posting  to subscribers only. More and more are
 going that way all the time. We've always done that here.

Oh I understand that, but all of those lists that get hit by spam have
to  be  publicly  postable. For example [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a support
mailing  list.  We  get  at least 5 pieces of spam in there a day. And
some of the other ones need to be publicly postable too because of the
role of the list.

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RE: Re[2]: Easier spam filtering

2002-05-13 Thread John Bohumil
Title: RE: Re[2]: Easier spam filtering






One easy way is to filer mail with your email address as the recipient. Another more advanced technique I am starting to make use of is to add my multiple email addresses to my entry in my address book. Since an address book entry can have multiple email addresses, this is handy. You can add this address to a Group and using the advanced filtering options filter all email whose recipient address is in your me Group to a special folder. This works slick, because it's easier to add new addresses to the Address Book list than to create a bunch of additional filter strings, at least for me :) Most spam does not have your actual email address in the To field.


-Original Message-
From:  James Van Horn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 3:01 PM
To: Jonathan Angliss
Subject: Re[2]: Easier spam filtering

Hi Jonathan,

 I don't understand. How could I possibly filter all of the good mail?
I run a business and am contacted by new people all the time.

Thanks,
James

Jonathan On Monday, May 13, 2002, Marck D Pearlstone wrote...

 The simplest and most effective spam filter is the Sherlock (process
 of elimination) method as originally suggested by Steve Lamb and
 explained by Allie Martin:

Jonathan Process of elimination works very well... until you start getting spam
Jonathan in mailing lists ;) I do fully agree with the idea though. Filter all
Jonathan the good mail into your mail folder (like friends, family,
Jonathan colleagues), then filter lists, mail shots you requested etc, then the
Jonathan rest should simply be spam. But as I said, this is all okay in theory
Jonathan until you start getting spam in your list boxes. I have to put my spam
Jonathan filters above all but this mailing list. I match on key subjects, and
Jonathan phrases.



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Re: Easier spam filtering

2002-05-13 Thread Lars Geiger

Hi John,
On Monday, May 13, 2002 at 15:08:37 [GMT -0500], you wrote:

 One easy way is to filer mail with your email address as the recipient.

 [...]

 Most spam does not have your actual email address in the To field.

That is one way to do it. You could also make use of the new $KNOWN$
folder and the corresponding filter, although this isn't an option for
someone who is contacted by unknown people on a regular basis.

hint
Some people also filter on HTML content in e-mails! ;-)
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Re: Easier spam filtering

2002-05-13 Thread Haico

On 13-5-2002 at 22:10, Jonathan Angliss wrote:

Hi Jonathan,

 filtering  on  keywords...  making  sure not to filter on words you're
 likely  to  receive  in  new  people's  emails.

You can also make a filter for those keywords and then direct them to
your inbox.. Your own name, name of the company and other keywords
which usually comes up in those messages..

Greetings,
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Re: Easier spam filtering

2002-05-13 Thread Haico

On 13-5-2002 at 22:44, Haico wrote:

 filtering  on  keywords...  making  sure not to filter on words you're
 likely  to  receive  in  new  people's  emails.

 You can also make a filter for those keywords and then direct them to
 your inbox.. Your own name, name of the company and other keywords
 which usually comes up in those messages..

Maybe that would be more suited for the Sherlock (process
of elimination) method.



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Re[2]: Easier spam filtering

2002-05-13 Thread James Van Horn

The Bat has so many things, but I feel more concentration on spam features
is necessary.

1. The Bat needs a way to a import a large list of spam keywords and
phrases.

2. Yahoo has a one click Block this sender feature. The Bat needs a
one click This is spam feature.

3. A point system could be implemented. The Bat should count spam keywords,
and tally up the points. Then automatically direct them into folders like:
Inbox
Possibly Spam
Most likely Spam
Spam Trash

4. All spam should be marked as read. I don't want to see the bat wings
flying for incoming spam emails.

Thanks,
James



Haico On 13-5-2002 at 22:44, Haico wrote:

 filtering  on  keywords...  making  sure not to filter on words you're
 likely  to  receive  in  new  people's  emails.

 You can also make a filter for those keywords and then direct them to
 your inbox.. Your own name, name of the company and other keywords
 which usually comes up in those messages..

Haico Maybe that would be more suited for the Sherlock (process
Haico of elimination) method.



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Spam filtering

2001-05-24 Thread Melissa

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Hello,

Is there any way to write filtering rules to only allow mail addressed to
specific email addresses, and all others to be completely deleted - from
server as well?

I'm trying to figure out a good way to stop all the spam that arrives not
even addressed to any of my email addresses (how does that happen,
anyway?).  It's bad enough trying to keep up with spam that somehow has my
correct addresses, but it seems absurd that all this other stuff can get
through at all.

I'm new to using The Bat!, so perhaps I just haven't been able to find the
filter that can do this.

Any ideas?

Thanks!

Melissa

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Re: Spam filtering

2001-05-24 Thread Nick Andriash

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On May 24, 2001, at 2:15:56 PM, Melissa wrote:

 I'm new to using The Bat!, so perhaps I just haven't been able to find
 the filter that can do this.

Melissa, most will do it by using two separate filters. The very last
filter in your list should be labelled SPAM, and with that you do this:

Strings:   e
Location:  Anywhere
Presence:  Yes
Move To:   Trash

The second to last filter is where you filter anything that has your
address in it, and you can name it PERSONAL. Here you list all your
addresses under Strings (only one though on the first tab, and the rest go
under Alernatives/Add Set because it provides the or argument) as the
Recipient, and leave the messages in the Inbox.

After a while, if you feel confident that it's truly only scum sucking
spam that is being filtered by your SPAM filter, then you can add Delete
Message to the filter under the Actions tab. :o)

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Re: Spam filtering

2001-05-24 Thread Melissa

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On Thursday, May 24, 2001, at 2:40:31 PM PDT, Nick Andriash wrote:

NA Strings:   e
NA Location:  Anywhere
NA Presence:  Yes
NA Move To:   Trash

NA The second to last filter is where you filter anything that has your
NA address in it, and you can name it PERSONAL. Here you list all your
NA addresses under Strings...

Thanks Nick - I'll give this a try!  :-)

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Spam filtering (WAS virus mails. . .)

2001-04-09 Thread David Robert Austen

Hello,

Your instruction below is a bit unclear to me. The "regular
expressions syntax (basic)" in Bat Help does not tell me enough about
*implementation* within Bat. Can anybody help?

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String: @ Location: Sender Presence: No Action: delete message.

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And I wonder, is this work that one does from  SPECIALS CREATE FILTER


best,


david

David Robert Austen

T Hi Fabio,

T On Mon, 9 Apr 2001 08:53:29 +0200GMT (09/04/2001, 14:53 +0800GMT),
T Fabio Colonnello wrote:

FC How can I try to stop these spamming ?

T I believe there is a chapter on spam handling in the FAQ.

FC Is anithing I can do with TheBat! to make a filter to automatically
FC delete these kinf of incoming mails ? (without sender)

T String: @
T Location: Sender
T Presence: No
T Action: delete message.

FC Or can I do something with sender ISP and the IP address ?

T Report spam to [EMAIL PROTECTED] including full header.



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Re: Spam filtering (WAS virus mails. . .)

2001-04-09 Thread A Curtis Martin

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On Mon, 9 Apr 2001 07:34:55 -0400, David wrote these comments:


DRA Your instruction below is a bit unclear to me. The "regular
DRA expressions syntax (basic)" in Bat Help does not tell me enough about
DRA *implementation* within Bat. Can anybody help?

You need to create a selective filter.

Selected by:

enable 'originator'  (god only knows why they term it originator instead
  of simply 'sender')


Signal Strings :

Just type '@' without the quotation marks


Set to 'Active' and go to the 'Advanced' tab:

Enable 'none of strings should match'.


You should also use 'Ignore' option at first, so that you can check with
the dispatcher which messages are not being downloaded. If legitimate
messages are not being caught by the filter then you can enable the 'kill'
option.

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