Re: Table formatting
Hi Julian Beach (Lists) - On Mon, 5 Jul 2004, at 08:50:53 [GMT +0100] (which was 12:50 AM where I live) you wrote: >> FAQ on the web page developers' site: >> Q: How do I protect my work so that people cannot copy the code? >> A: You can't. But if you use FrontPage, nobody will *want* to copy it. > Insert your favourite Office application in place of FrontPage. :-) > Julian See, there you go. MS Office is safe to use... ;-) -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpieggmh4Kws.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Table formatting
On Monday, July 5, 2004, 7:50:39 AM, Allister Jenks wrote: > My point was that Office is a less than ideal choice. But then if it > works for you, I see no reason you shouldn't use it. Just be aware that > Office is as much an HTML editor by design as TB!. This reminds me of the following, which was posted by Thomas on TBOT back in the mists of time: On Friday, August 2, 2002, 7:46:43 PM, Thomas F. wrote: > FAQ on the web page developers' site: > Q: How do I protect my work so that people cannot copy the code? > A: You can't. But if you use FrontPage, nobody will *want* to copy it. Insert your favourite Office application in place of FrontPage. :-) Julian -- Using The Bat! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Table formatting
Monday, July 5, 2004, 2:37:41 AM, Kevin wrote: KA> I understand what you are saying. My only point was that (1)TB is not KA> designed to be a graphic HTML editor. It has some basic tools and that KA> is it. (2) For fancier work, an external (not just MS Office KA> components) program will be necessary. Whether one chooses to use KA> Word, Excel, Open Office, Star Office or something else isn't the KA> point. I, for one, am not going to write HTML to facilitate table KA> design in TB. Fair enough that TB! is nothing more than basic, and the ability to cut and paste externally preparted HTML is a good feature. My point was that Office is a less than ideal choice. But then if it works for you, I see no reason you shouldn't use it. Just be aware that Office is as much an HTML editor by design as TB!. -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Table formatting
Hi Allister Jenks - On Sun, 4 Jul 2004, at 16:12:33 [GMT +1200] (which was 9:12 PM where I live) you wrote: > Sunday, July 4, 2004, 10:33:11 AM, Kevin wrote: > OK, I'm being a bit of a purist, but I feel in good company considering > the extensive anti-HTML email threads of times gone by. > And yes, I know the two pages look different, but with less code I > solved the original poster's problem and if one were fussy about the > width then a simple ";width:568px" added to the TABLE style would fix > the only fundamental difference (actually, *I* think mine looks better > anyway). > That's my concern. I understand what you are saying. My only point was that (1)TB is not designed to be a graphic HTML editor. It has some basic tools and that is it. (2) For fancier work, an external (not just MS Office components) program will be necessary. Whether one chooses to use Word, Excel, Open Office, Star Office or something else isn't the point. I, for one, am not going to write HTML to facilitate table design in TB. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpajH3vGDL3a.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Table formatting
Sunday, July 4, 2004, 10:33:11 AM, Kevin wrote:
KA> The original poster was working with HTML anyway. At that point there
KA> is no harm using an external application to copy a table in-line. Tens
KA> of millions of people use it this way (including myself) without
KA> difficulty.
KA> What exactly is your consern?
OK, I'm being a bit of a purist, but I feel in good company considering
the extensive anti-HTML email threads of times gone by.
I just think this:
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd";>
Title
TABLE{border-collapse:collapse} TD{border:1px
solid;padding:1em;width:50%}
Cell 1Cell 2
Cell 3Cell 4
is better than this:
Cell 1
Cell 1
Cell 2
Cell 3
Cell 4
The former was hand coded by me and validates 100% (and that's against
the Strict DTD). The latter was created in Word by starting a brand new
document, creating a 2 x 2 table and entering the cell contents. I then
immediately saved as HTML. Aside from taking an extra 100 bytes or so,
it has 2 types of error when validated and specifies a Windows character
set depite only containing 7 standard ASCII characters in its output.
Oh, and those errors are against the transitional DTD - which is far
more relaxed. Anyone using FONT tags today should be taken out into the
woods and sh(...own the correct way).
And yes, I know the two pages look different, but with less code I
solved the original poster's problem and if one were fussy about the
width then a simple ";width:568px" added to the TABLE style would fix
the only fundamental difference (actually, *I* think mine looks better
anyway).
That's my concern.
--
Cheers,
Allister
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Re: Table formatting
Hi Allister Jenks - On Sun, 4 Jul 2004, at 10:16:15 [GMT +1200] (which was 3:16 PM where I live) you wrote: > Sunday, July 4, 2004, 4:19:03 AM, Kevin wrote: >>> How can one change either the color of the table borders or the style >>> (a single line instead of a double line). KA>> you'll have to import something you created with another application KA>> (i.e. Excel, Word, etc.) > Ouch! That could be adding fuel to the fire. I do not recommend using > Office to create HTML. The original poster was working with HTML anyway. At that point there is no harm using an external application to copy a table in-line. Tens of millions of people use it this way (including myself) without difficulty. What exactly is your consern? -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgptPnktbz4Yr.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Table formatting
Sunday, July 4, 2004, 4:19:03 AM, Kevin wrote: >> How can one change either the color of the table borders or the style >> (a single line instead of a double line). KA> you'll have to import something you created with another application KA> (i.e. Excel, Word, etc.) Ouch! That could be adding fuel to the fire. I do not recommend using Office to create HTML. Unfortunately I don't seem to have a help file present(!), but if there is a way of getting to the HTML source then it would be relatively straightforward modify the opening tag. That said, I cannot see how to get at the HTML source. -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Table formatting
Hello Thomas, Saturday, July 3, 2004, 6:59:19 PM, you wrote (possibly edited): > I couldn't find an option for that either. Thanks. It's no serious problem for me. However, I think it's somewhat restricting for people who would like to use this feature in their emails. -- Best regards, Costas Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Table formatting
Hi Costas Papadopoulos - On Sat, 3 Jul 2004, at 17:21:28 [GMT +0300] (which was 7:21 AM where I live) you wrote: > Hello, > Although I only use HTML formatted messages to the extent of less than > 1%, I'm wondering if there is a way to change the Table formatting > that is provided by The Bat. How can one change either the color of > the table borders or the style (a single line instead of a double > line). I couldn't find anything. I think if you want to do fancy table formatting and manipulation, you'll have to import something you created with another application (i.e. Excel, Word, etc.) -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpSsr45H1OgX.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Table formatting
Hello Costas, On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 17:21:28 +0300 GMT (03/07/2004, 21:21 +0700 GMT), Costas Papadopoulos wrote: CP> Although I only use HTML formatted messages to the extent of less than CP> 1%, I'm wondering if there is a way to change the Table formatting CP> that is provided by The Bat. How can one change either the color of CP> the table borders or the style (a single line instead of a double CP> line). I couldn't find an option for that either. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. "The company made me a scapegoat, just like my three previous employers." Message reply created with The Bat! 2.12 Beta/7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Table formatting
Hello, Although I only use HTML formatted messages to the extent of less than 1%, I'm wondering if there is a way to change the Table formatting that is provided by The Bat. How can one change either the color of the table borders or the style (a single line instead of a double line). -- Best regards, Costas Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
