Re: View Modes choices Not same
Hello Stefan, On 27 Feb 2004 at 03:01:08 +0200 GMT [02:01 CET] you wrote: M If I uncheck a box I would expect the corresponding folder to be set to M (no view mode). Why not? ST No view mode means using some column settings anyway. Which one ST should be used? Is it account-wide, folder-specific or parent ST folder's? How about the same as when I explicitly select 'no view mode' from one of the other places? -- Cheers, Andre The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed. Current version is 2.04.07 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: View Modes choices Not same
Stefan Tanurkov wrote: M If I uncheck a box I would expect the corresponding folder to be set to M (no view mode). Why not? No view mode means using some column settings anyway. Which one should be used? Is it account-wide, folder-specific or parent folder's? If you uncheck that box, then the folder should revert to 'Folder specific settings' since it would not have been assigned a view mode. The folder's default should be 'the folder specific settings', IOW's, no view mode has been assigned. Another alternative would be the generic view mode which would act sort of as a default mode that the user would like a folder to have unless he specifically makes the folder use its own specific settings or a particular view mode. I do agree with the others though, that if I hit the 'Used by', I should see the list with those folders already using the particular view mode already selected. -- -=allie_M=- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Current version is 2.04.07 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: View Modes choices Not same
Hello Stefan, Yesterday, you and I wrote: No view mode means using some column settings anyway. Which one should be used? Is it account-wide, folder-specific or parent folder's? Right, now I get you. H, I'll have to think about it and talk with my pillow tonight, if I ever get to bed ;-) I had a not too long talk with my pillow last night (I fell asleep) and she gave me a couple of suggestions for you ;-) What do you do when a view mode is deleted? Right, the folders that were using it are set to (No View Mode). However, since the Generic Mode can be set/defined by the user and it is a mode that cannot be deleted, I would uses this as a default to revert to. Now, what would I do (well, my pillow ;) with the Use by... dialog? 1.- Display on the Title bar the name of the View Mode that was selected prior to clicking the Use by... button. One can make mistakes when selecting the view mode :) 2.- Make this a Use/Used by (or however you want to call it) dialog. The thing is that if it is opened for a view mode that is already being used by some folders, they should appear as ticked with the check mark in the display of the folder tree and the rest of folders with a blank box. 3.- If you remove the checkmark from one or more of the folders, they should revert (be set to) Generic mode. 4.- But, what happens if you add a few folders (tick the empty box) to use this view mode and then change your mind, or notice you have ticked one you didn't really want to? You remove the check mark, right. But should this folder now revert to the view mode it was using or to Generic. I believe it should stay with the previous mode, whatever it was. 5.- But if I have added a few check marks and after scrolling up and down I remove a couple of them, how do I know what view mode will be applied to these two folders? Previous (if it was different to the one we are dealing with when I opened the Used by dialog) or Generic? Simple, use three possible states: Blank, Check mark and X. If I open the dialog for view mode A and Folder1 is checked, then that folder can only toggle from Checked to Xed and from Xed to Checked. But, if Folder2 is Blank, this can only toggle from Blank to Checked and from Checked to Blank. Then, when I click OK, the actions will be: Box is Blank - Do nothing to the folder and it will use the view mode it was using. Box is Checked - Set folder to use View mode A (the one we are dealing with) Box is Xed - Set folder to use Generic mode. I don't how and where you hold your folder tree structure, or if you build one when the Used by... dialog is opened, but the above can be easily implemented with a four column table: Folder View Mode Original state Changes Original state is what is displayed when the dialog is opened and can only be Blank or Checked and is also used to see if toggling can (should) be Blank/Checked or Checked/Xed. Changes will reflect that changes, and is the column used to take the actions when clicking OK: If Changes is Blank, do nothing and check next folder. If Changes if Checked, set folder to use view mode A. If Changes is Xed, set folder to use Generic view mode. And finally, to easily remind the user what is going to happen if he clicks OK, the three possible states (ICONS for) should be displayed on the dialog itself, with a short explanatory text, perhaps right below the Unselect all button. Hope I have been able to explain what my pillow told me last night ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.04.7 Current version is 2.04.07 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: View Modes choices Not same
Hello Greg, View Modes in Option | Preferences | Messages | VM | select VM | click Used by ... are not the same as when in Main window Folder Properties | column settings | Use view mode VMname or when in Main window and right mouse click folder | Folder view mode | selected VM. Used by ...? My button says Use by See my mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. Is that what you mean? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.04.7 Current version is 2.04.07 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: View Modes choices Not same
Hello MAU, Thursday, February 26, 2004, 4:47:56 AM, MAU wrote: M Is that what you M mean? NO. If you have global view modes off and are using individual view modes for folders which have been set from the main window when you go into Options | Preferences | Messages | View Modes | select VM (one which you are using on a folder) | click Use by Now look at the folder where you know you are using that particular view mode and you will see it is NOT selected. BUG? -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v2.04.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.04.07 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: View Modes choices Not same
Hello Greg, Now look at the folder where you know you are using that particular view mode and you will see it is NOT selected. Maybe I didn't explain it clearly enough, but that is exactly what I mean when I say that Use by ... should also and actually be UseD (notice the D) by Use by =/= Used by. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.04.7 Current version is 2.04.07 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: View Modes choices Not same
Hello MAU, View Mode you can open the Use by.. dialog to select the folder that Present and past tenses make a difference, and so do singular and plural :) The quoted line should read folderS, because you can select more than just one :-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.04.7 Current version is 2.04.07 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: View Modes choices Not same
Hello Greg, Thursday, February 26, 2004, 5:03:20 PM, you wrote: GS If you have global view modes off and are using individual view modes GS for folders which have been set from the main window when you go into GS Options | Preferences | Messages | View Modes | select VM (one which you GS are using on a folder) | click Use by Now look at the folder GS where you know you are using that particular view mode and you will see GS it is NOT selected. It may be selected, but what if you uncheck a box? It's not quite clear what to do... -- Cheers! Stefan pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.04.07 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: View Modes choices Not same
Hello MAU, Friday, February 27, 2004, 2:52:31 AM, you wrote: M If I uncheck a box I would expect the corresponding folder to be set to M (no view mode). Why not? No view mode means using some column settings anyway. Which one should be used? Is it account-wide, folder-specific or parent folder's? -- Cheers! Stefan pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.04.07 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: View Modes choices Not same
Hello Stefan, Thursday, February 26, 2004, 6:19:39 PM, Stefan Tanurkov wrote: GS If you have global view modes off and are using individual view modes GS for folders which have been set from the main window when you go into GS Options | Preferences | Messages | View Modes | select VM (one which you GS are using on a folder) | click Use by Now look at the folder GS where you know you are using that particular view mode and you will see GS it is NOT selected. ST It may be selected, but what if you uncheck a box? It's not quite ST clear what to do... M If I uncheck a box I would expect the corresponding folder to be set to M (no view mode). Why not? ST No view mode means using some column settings anyway. Which one ST should be used? Is it account-wide, folder-specific or parent ST folder's? Ok I now see what you are saying. I still feel there is inconsistency here. Shouldn't there be a default order here which should provide some insight as to what No view mode should be used? Don't get me wrong because I think View Modes are GREAT, however I do feel it is this inconsistency which make them difficult and confusing to learn. How could you have a folder specific No view mode if you had a View Mode previously selected? So a proposed hierarchy could be to inherent the No view mode of the parent, and if none for the parent to default to the account-wide No view mode. Which raises the question: Where are account-wide No view mode defined? Just thinking out loud, and excuse me if I'm all wet. -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v2.04.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.04.07 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: View Modes choices Not same
Hello Greg, I don't get to hung up on past tense and present tense. I thought you meant what was actually in the UI. Maybe I may have made a slight grammatically error, but my point is I think it is a BUG. Well, as you know, English is not my mother language and I thought the idea that Use by =/= Used by would be clearly understood. No, I don't thing it is a bug, I think it is WAD. When you create a new View Mode you can open the Use by.. dialog to select the folder that will USE the just created view. However, when you open the dialog for an already existing view, I agree with you, and that was my wish for an additional feature, the dialog should show as selected (ticked) the folders that are already using (view is being USED by) the selected view. You should see folders selected for the view mode your looking at under the options | preferences that you have set from the main window. Right, agree. And same thing when you right click on a folder and select Copy column settings to BTW, for sake of coherency I think this option should be called Copy view mode to..., or even better Assign view mode to..., because it is what the option does. It is not just the column settings (columns displayed and widths) that get copied. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.04.7 Current version is 2.04.07 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: View Modes choices Not same
Hello MAU, Thursday, February 26, 2004, 9:35:10 AM, MAU wrote: Now look at the folder where you know you are using that particular view mode and you will see it is NOT selected. M Maybe I didn't explain it clearly enough, but that is exactly what I M mean when I say that Use by ... should also and actually be UseD M (notice the D) by Use by =/= Used by. Whatever. I don't get to hung up on past tense and present tense. I thought you meant what was actually in the UI. Maybe I may have made a slight grammatically error, but my point is I think it is a BUG. You should see folders selected for the view mode your looking at under the options | preferences that you have set from the main window. -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v2.04.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.04.07 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
View Modes choices Not same
Hello TBUDL, Should the view modes selected be the same without regard to how you look at them? View Modes in Option | Preferences | Messages | VM | select VM | click Used by ... are not the same as when in Main window Folder Properties | column settings | Use view mode VMname or when in Main window and right mouse click folder | Folder view mode | selected VM. -- Best regards, Greg Strong TB! v2.04.7 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
