Re: OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)

2000-08-10 Thread Ming-Li
Hi Johannes, I owe you a beer ;) At first I didn't realize that you aren't located in Germany. I was talking with my own experience in mind, which is the 100% digital phone network in Europe. As you can get ISDN in every (!!) lost corner around here, Really!? Are you sure? Can you get ISDN

Re: OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)

2000-08-10 Thread Johannes M. Posel
Hi there Ming-Li, Am 10.08.2000 so gegen 10:57 meintest Du: Really!? Are you sure? Can you get ISDN in, say, Kosovo, or Poland? I think they are part of Europe, too. (If the answer is yes, then I envy you Europeans.) In Poland, yes, they have the same E-DSS1 as we (means you can buy

Re: OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)

2000-08-10 Thread Johannes M. Posel
Hi there Thomas, Am 10.08.2000 so gegen 05:55 meintest Du: Anytime. :-) Gimme a call when you're back in good old Germany ;) Remember 2400bps? Those were the times... g Uhhh. I started with a really old 14,4k back in 1995... No, what I mean is, it depends of the inormation content. If a

Re: OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)

2000-08-10 Thread Johannes M. Posel
Hi there Thomas, Am 10.08.2000 so gegen 05:26 meintest Du: Go to www.egroups.com and look for a group called "tbot". I just subscribed, thanks ;) I'd say we move the thread over there... Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- A real person has two reasons

Re: OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)

2000-08-10 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone
Hi Johannes, On 10 August 2000 at 15:15:52 GMT +0200 (which was 14:15 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject of "OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)": No, what I mean is, it depends of the inormation content. If a messag

Re: OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)

2000-08-09 Thread Johannes M. Posel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hi there Thomas, Am 08.08.2000 so gegen 12:16 meintest Du: In Germany, maybe. That's where my POP server is, yes. But my computer is in Taiwan. I have never, ever have had even 33.6K or any of the other speeds you're talking about, and it is mostly around

Re: OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)

2000-08-09 Thread Johannes M. Posel
Hi there Chuck, Am 08.08.2000 so gegen 13:45 meintest Du: I agree ... however, allowed or not, I find it ironic how much bandwidth has been used to discuss waste of bandwidth. It's always like that =) Remembers me of Usenet laws™ =)) Chuck Cheers, Johannes

Re: OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)

2000-08-09 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hi Johannes, On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 21:02:54 +0200GMT (10/08/2000, 03:02 +0800GMT), Johannes M. Posel wrote: JMP PS: What was the subscribe address for the OT list? Go to www.egroups.com and look for a group called "tbot". -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.45 under

Re: OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)

2000-08-09 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hi Johannes, On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 21:09:41 +0200GMT (10/08/2000, 03:09 +0800GMT), Johannes M. Posel wrote: JMP I owe you a beer ;) Anytime. :-) JMP To be honest I cannot really believe you only get 1kb (this would be a JMP connect at *less* than 9600bps, which is what you get here when you're

Re: OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)

2000-08-08 Thread Jamie Dainton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Jason, Tuesday, August 08, 2000, 06:12:04, you wrote: BJ Hello Mark, BJ Monday, August 07, 2000, 9:27:38 AM, you wrote: JDB Point semi taken. I'll switch off PGP and leave S/Mime turned on. With JDB people like you we need to be careful. MA

Re: OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)

2000-08-08 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hi Jamie, On Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:08:12 +0100GMT (08/08/2000, 15:08 +0800GMT), Jamie Dainton wrote: JD Personally I believe that when on a public list where you may make JD controversial decisions or flame people being able to certify who you JD are is very necessary. There is no flaming ion

Re: OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)

2000-08-08 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hi Jamie, On Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:14:41 +0100GMT (08/08/2000, 16:14 +0800GMT), Jamie Dainton wrote: JD OK 6k as opposed to 2K. That's 4K extra, on a 56K modem that's 1 JD second extra download time. Try again with varying speeds betwenn 200 baud and 1.7K per second on a phone line that

Re: OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)

2000-08-08 Thread Rob
Try again with varying speeds betwenn 200 baud and 1.7K per second on a phone line that disconnects every couple of minutes. are connections _that_ bad at Chunghwa Telecom Co., Ltd. Data communication Business Group ??? Not everybody lives in the UK, you know. not in Taiwan either

Re: OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)

2000-08-08 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hi Rob, On Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:20:10 GMTGMT (08/08/2000, 17:20 +0800GMT), Rob wrote: Try again with varying speeds betwenn 200 baud and 1.7K per second on a phone line that disconnects every couple of minutes. R are connections _that_ bad at Chunghwa Telecom Co., Ltd. Data communication R

Re: OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)

2000-08-08 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hi Jamie, On Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:11:13 +0100GMT (08/08/2000, 17:11 +0800GMT), Jamie Dainton wrote: TF Also, it's not one message that may take longer. Take a list of 100 TF postings per day, and imagine each posting comes 4 or 5K extra. JD I actually made that point clear in my post and it has

Re: OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)

2000-08-08 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hi Jamie, I own up. This is Jamie Dainton pretending to be Thomas. At first glance this e-mail should look like it came from him. Who really checks the headers? -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.45 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz.

Re: OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)

2000-08-08 Thread Johannes M. Posel
Hi there Thomas, Am 08.08.2000 so gegen 10:51 meintest Du: Try again with varying speeds betwenn 200 baud and 1.7K per second on a phone line that disconnects every couple of minutes. I have a 56K modem, but that does not mean that I actually get the data with that speed. Hey Thomas,

Re: OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)

2000-08-08 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hi Thomas, On Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:39:41 +0100GMT (08/08/2000, 17:39 +0800GMT), Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF Hi Jamie, TFI own up. This is Jamie Dainton pretending to be Thomas. At first TF glance this e-mail should look like it came from him. Who really checks the headers? ROTFLMAO! --

Re: OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)

2000-08-08 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hi Johannes, On Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:00:57 +0200GMT (08/08/2000, 18:00 +0800GMT), Johannes M. Posel wrote: Try again with varying speeds betwenn 200 baud and 1.7K per second on a phone line that disconnects every couple of minutes. I have a 56K modem, but that does not mean that I actually get

Re: OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)

2000-08-08 Thread Curtis
On Tue, 8 Aug 2000 17:48:05 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF Your opinion is that it doesn't matter to you. It does matter to me. TF Please do not send S/Mime signatures. In this relase version which I TF am using here in the office, and for which this list is anyway, your TF certificate shows

Re: OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)

2000-08-08 Thread Chuck Mattsen
On Tuesday, August 08, 2000 at 6:10 AM or thereabouts, Curtis wrote the following about OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules): Curtis The moderators need to step in here, I believe, and clear the Curtis air. Is S/MIME signing of messages allowed or not? If it's Curtis allowed

Re: OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)

2000-08-08 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone
Hi Curtis, On 08 August 2000 at 06:10:49 GMT -0500 (which was 12:10 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject of "OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)": C The moderators need to step in here, I believe, and clear the air. C Is S/MI

Re: OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)

2000-08-08 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone
Hi Jamie, On 08 August 2000 at 11:19:37 GMT +0100 (which was 11:19 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject of "OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)": TF Your opinion is that it doesn't matter to you. It does matter to TF me.

Re: OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)

2000-08-08 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone
Hi Chuck, On 08 August 2000 at 06:45:37 GMT -0500 (which was 12:45 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject of "OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)": CM ... I find it ironic how much bandwidth has been used to discuss CM waste of

Re: OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)

2000-08-08 Thread Rob
1) Your Thawte certificate is *not* notorised and does *not* certify that the mail comes from Jamie Dainton. just out of curiosity ; i just downloaded PGP 6.5.1i, but as far as i remember - i toyed with it in the DOS days - a PGP key also is not a 100% guarantee that the sender is who he

Re: OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)

2000-08-08 Thread Curtis
On Tue, 8 Aug 2000 06:45:37 -0500, Chuck Mattsen wrote: CM Curtis The moderators need to step in here, I believe, and clear the CM Curtis air. Is S/MIME signing of messages allowed or not? If it's CM Curtis allowed then leave Jamie alone please. Simple. The above is CM Curtis not an opinion but

Re: OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)

2000-08-08 Thread Chuck Mattsen
On Tuesday, August 08, 2000 at 7:10 AM or thereabouts, Curtis wrote the following about OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules): -- [snip] --8 CM Curtis what's the word moderators? Curtis teasing We had better decide if quote prefixing like the Curtis above

Re: OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)

2000-08-08 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone
Hi Rob, On 08 August 2000 at 12:26:37 GMT GMT (which was 13:26 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject of "OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)": PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY R you have a filter/macr

Re: OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)

2000-08-08 Thread David Powell
Tuesday, August 08, 2000, 1:26:37 PM, you wrote: 1) Your Thawte certificate is *not* notorised and does *not* certify that the mail comes from Jamie Dainton. R just out of curiosity ; i just downloaded PGP 6.5.1i, but as far as i remember - R i toyed with it in the DOS days - a PGP key

Re: OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)

2000-08-08 Thread Ming-Li
Hi Thomas Rob, Try again with varying speeds betwenn 200 baud and 1.7K per second on a phone line that disconnects every couple of minutes. R are connections _that_ bad at Chunghwa Telecom Co., Ltd. Data R communication Business Group ??? I'm wondering about that, too. I knew Chunghwa

Re: OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)

2000-08-08 Thread Steve Lamb
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tuesday, August 08, 2000, 7:43:48 AM, David wrote: Anyone could forge a PGP key, if you manage to give fake details to Thawte it says they can sue you for about 10,000 dollars or something crazy. No, noone can force a PGP key. If you think

Re: OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)

2000-08-08 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hallo Ming-Li, On Tue, 8 Aug 2000 07:30:19 -0700 GMT (08/08/2000, 22:30 +0800 GMT), Ming-Li wrote: Try again with varying speeds betwenn 200 baud and 1.7K per second on a phone line that disconnects every couple of minutes. R are connections _that_ bad at Chunghwa Telecom Co., Ltd. Data R

Re: OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)

2000-08-08 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hallo Jamie, On Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:04:02 +0100 GMT (08/08/2000, 19:04 +0800 GMT), Jamie Dainton wrote: JD I await your reply. Sorry, I do owe you a reply. The thing was, I left the office, and by the time I checked my email at home, the thread had been finished. Should you wish to continue,