[Texascavers] S, E, C

2008-01-10 Thread Gill Ediger
At 07:46 PM 1/9/2008, Brian Riordan wrote: If you have QUESTIONS on the matter, state your thoughts/ arguments/ questions in a non-argumentative way, as if you're truly hungry for another perspective, and not simply hoping to hear your sentiments echoed back off a crowd of like-minded people,

Re: [Texascavers] OT - Who was the first woman to win a primary? Who was the first African American to win a primary?

2008-01-10 Thread Lyndon Tiu
What's the difference between a primary and caucus? Is it just the name, different way of calling the same thing? On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 22:56:22 -0600 csnew...@gmail.com wrote: Looks like I've been had by Wikipedia! Curses... Simon On Jan 9, 2008 10:52 PM, Simon Newton csnew...@gmail.com

Re: [Texascavers] OT - hybrid car news

2008-01-10 Thread Matt Turner
I do alot of transportation political work as some sick hobby of mine and I have to agree with Terry here. Electric cars will be the answer.well they should be the answer. This will be especially true once EEStor's new battery like capacitor and the new ultra capacitor design from UT get

Re: [Texascavers] TSA Winter Meeting at Colorado Bend State Park Project, January 11-13th

2008-01-10 Thread John P. Brooks
9 AM On Saturday. Finish by 10.45 and go caving! On 1/9/08 3:29 PM, Terry Holsinger tr...@sprynet.com wrote: So what time will the TSA meeting be held and on Saturday or Sunday? Terry H. rafal kedzierski wrote: TSA Winter Meeting at Colorado Bend State Park project weekend is up on

[Texascavers] electric car news

2008-01-10 Thread Gill Ediger
At 08:37 PM 1/9/2008, TM Raines wrote: I don't want a hybrid car...I want an all electric for driving the kids to school and going to local caves. Please view the movie 'Who Killed the Electric Car?', then we'll talk. I support the idea of electric cars for short haul transportation

[Texascavers] Now here's a car we can afford!

2008-01-10 Thread Ted Samsel
Some of you plutocrats spend too much dinero on cars.. here's one us peons can afford. 50 mpg. no AC. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7180396.stm T. http://home.infionline.net/~tbsamsel/ - Visit our website:

Re: [Texascavers] Now here's a car we can afford!

2008-01-10 Thread David Locklear
The Tata has a smaller engine than my motor-scooter. I have owned several tiny cars over the years. They are fun to drive at first. And they are great for running errands. But that wears off pretty quick and you eventually want a more comfortable ride. They are no fun to be in

Re: [Texascavers] Now here's a car we can afford!

2008-01-10 Thread Ted Samsel
DL says: And road trips with kids are stressful, especially in a tiny car. That's good to keep the population down, no? T. -Original Message- From: David Locklear dlocklea...@gmail.com Sent: Jan 10, 2008 9:41 AM To: Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers]

Re: [Texascavers] Science, Evolution and Creationism--free download from the National Academies Press

2008-01-10 Thread George Nincehelser
http://www.expelledthemovie.com/ Ben has some interesting points. The Flash introduction is kind of funny, but the supertrailer of the movie gets more philosophical. George

Re: [Texascavers] Science, Evolution and Creationism--free download from the National Academies Press

2008-01-10 Thread Diana Tomchick
I watched this trailer, and I have only one comment. Ben Stein (who is not a scientist) claims that In Science, there is no room for dissent, for dissent is dangerous. Science is all about dissent and challenging ideas, but what distinguishes science from other endeavors is that scientists

RE: [Texascavers] Science, Evolution and Creationism--free download from the National Academies Press

2008-01-10 Thread Geary Schindel
Diana, Well put. I think one of the best examples of dissent and challenging ideas in science occurred with the controversy over the supposed discovery of Cold Fusion. While I'm not sure that there has been a good explanation of what physically was going on with the reaction (I don't follow

[Texascavers] Coyotes

2008-01-10 Thread BMorgan994
Y'all's Texican coyotes can't even catch a crippled Cuckoo bird, better stick to chickens. Biggest one I ever saw in either Texas of Mexico was the size of a fox. Here in Florida things are different. I just saw a coyote yesterday that was as big as a full grown wolf! I was riding my bike

[Texascavers] RE: Coyotes

2008-01-10 Thread Minton, Mark
Sleazeweasel said: Y'all's Texican coyotes can't even catch a crippled Cuckoo bird, better stick to chickens. Biggest one I ever saw in either Texas of Mexico was the size of a fox. I've certainly seen bigger coyotes, even in central Texas near Driftwood (south of Austin) as well

RE: [Texascavers] RE: Coyotes

2008-01-10 Thread Fritz Holt
Mark said, coyotes don't mind close contact with people. Many young and even middle-aged cavers have probably not seen a most entertaining Disney short movie of about 40 years ago about coyotes in Hollywood. It may have been called Hollywood Coyotes but I am not certain. The coyotes would come

[Texascavers] a British caver funeral article

2008-01-10 Thread David Locklear
http://www.thisisthenortheast.co.uk/display.var.1956959.0.funeral_of_tragic_caver.php - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail:

[Texascavers] Tennessee cave rescue

2008-01-10 Thread David Locklear
Last week, 3 non-cavers got lost in a Tennesse Cave: http://www.t-g.com/story/1301054.html - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands,

[Texascavers] OT - a British caver in car fatality

2008-01-10 Thread David Locklear
Well-known British caver, Mark Jones, of the Mendip Cave Rescue Club was killed yesterday in a car accident. http://www.thisisbath.co.uk - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail:

[Texascavers] cave science in the news

2008-01-10 Thread David Locklear
Here is an article about a research project underground in California to study global warming: http://cbs13.com/beatenpath/john.iander.piece.2.626700.html - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail:

[Texascavers] OT - a wild cave tour - newbie article

2008-01-10 Thread David Locklear
http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/life/story/7526424p-7427759c.html - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail:

[Texascavers] Carlsbad Caverns Visitor Center

2008-01-10 Thread David Locklear
According to one web-site, Carlsbad Caverns is upgrading the Visitor's Center to include an art gallery of cave related art and photography. http://www.currentargus.com/ci_7824671 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To

[Texascavers] OT - Glenwood Caverns in Colorado

2008-01-10 Thread David Locklear
According to the interesting link below, Glenwood Caverns, a commercial cave in Colorado, wants to expand its tours to other sections of the cave. http://www.aspentimes.com/article/20071224/NEWS/564337506 - Visit our website:

[Texascavers] The New Zealand rescue

2008-01-10 Thread David Locklear
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=507227in_page_id=1770 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional

[Texascavers] RE: The New Zealand rescue

2008-01-10 Thread Minton, Mark
David Locklear posted: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=507227in_page_id=1770 That article is a bit confusing. First it says: I was abseiling and it was all really cool, spectacular caves, everything was going smoothly and I looked down

[Texascavers] new book - Bigfoot and his cave

2008-01-10 Thread David Locklear
I believe this is a new book about a cave near Mt. Saint Helens in Washington State. http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/080110/0347116i.html - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail:

RE: [Texascavers] new book - Bigfoot and his cave

2008-01-10 Thread Louise Power
Loved the comment from the guy who did the cover illustration for this novel: Caves are dark for a reason... to hide what lurks inside and Clint's book proves why! - Jahrome Youngker. Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:50:09 -0600 From: dlocklea...@gmail.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com

[Texascavers] Speleologist in the news

2008-01-10 Thread David Locklear
http://international.ibox.bg/news/id_1654670025 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com

RE: [Texascavers] Speleologist in the news

2008-01-10 Thread George Veni
David, Thank you and to others for posting caving news items on the TexasCavers.com. If anyone is interested in getting more cave science news (and news not garbled through oversimplification by the news media), I encourage you to check out the Karst Information Portal (KIP) at

[Texascavers] cheap car

2008-01-10 Thread Mixon Bill
That Tata car in India doesn't come anywhere near meeting US safety and emissions standards. It is designed to go 70 km/h (~45 mph), although its top speed is higher. It costs $2500. US standards alone _add_ $2500 to the cost of a car. Someday there will be all-electric commuter cars. I

[Texascavers] OT - a personal story

2008-01-10 Thread David Locklear
This is a continuation of a post on October 30th, concerning my new job. I am now a full-time employee at my new job. Things started out kind of rough at first. I got into a disagreement with a co-worker who I shared a tiny office with. The boss had to move me to the other end of

[Texascavers] Science, Evolution and Creationism

2008-01-10 Thread BMorgan994
Evolution IS a fact. If, after 150 years of reasoned argument you still don't get it, then you are either simpleminded or pigheaded. Since most cavers are of above average intelligence I will presume it is the latter. Since reason isn't penetrating your skull then perhaps another approach

Re: [Texascavers] Science, Evolution and Creationism

2008-01-10 Thread Brian Riordan
I signed up for this listserve to go caving, camping, playing guitar around bonfires and having a good time with people who enjoy the outdoors. What I have recieved from cavetex is something entirely different. Since your response was to the whole listserve- I can only assume to increase the

RE: [Texascavers] Science, Evolution and Creationism

2008-01-10 Thread Stefan Creaser
Hmm, interesting. Whereas i am totally not into religion, creationist or otherwise, Brian does put forward a good argument. Not like i'm going to convert or anything like that though... I hadn't realised that creationists actually accepted evolution, though in my limited knowledge (I can't be

Re: [Texascavers] Science, Evolution and Creationism

2008-01-10 Thread Diana Tomchick
On Jan 10, 2008, at 3:07 PM, Stefan Creaser wrote: I hadn't realised that creationists actually accepted evolution, though in my limited knowledge (I can't be bothered to check it out) of the subject i thought they thought the world was only, say, 5000yrs old and so evolution would have

Re: [Texascavers] Science, Evolution and Creationism

2008-01-10 Thread Nancy Weaver
Brian - good luck and thanks for taking the time to attempt to respond to the scientist fundamentalists. I doubt it will do much (any) good, but who knows and you are young and energetic. I'm fairly sure that polarity is not the answer and that evolution and god exist quite comfortably in a

Re: [Texascavers] Science, Evolution and Creationism

2008-01-10 Thread George Nincehelser
Y'all be a lot happier when y'all finally realize y'all are just figments of my imagination. George

Re: [Texascavers] Science, Evolution and Creationism

2008-01-10 Thread John P. Brooks
³Right, back to microprocessors... at least we know when they started and where they came from. Stefan² WELL DuhWe all know microprocessors came from partially destroyed, high evolved Terminators, sent from the future, to kill Sarah Connors first born male child.

Re: [Texascavers] Science, Evolution and Creationism

2008-01-10 Thread Don Arburn
On Jan 10, 2008, at 6:53 PM, John P. Brooks wrote: WELL DuhWe all know microprocessors came from partially destroyed, high evolved Terminators, sent from the future, to kill Sarah Connors first born male child. RIGHT! Must be true, I read it in a book somewheres...

[Texascavers] plastic bags

2008-01-10 Thread Mixon Bill
For those of you who wonder how much of the planet's resources are squandered by those plasic grocery-store bags: An article in todays' New York Times mentions that China uses 3 billion bags a day, at the cost of 37 million barrels of oil per year. Taking that at face value (always risky

Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: [speleo.be] communiqué ssf

2008-01-10 Thread Don Cooper
I'm curious about the plungers Is that a synonym for people who take the plunge and strap on air - or do they actually tie notes to a bathroom plunger or something? I could just see the worried guy on the other end of the siphon - his face brightens - he sees the rubber ring floating up to the