Re: [Texascavers] Texas Cavers Calendar 2022

Is Oklahoma considered “abroad” ? Asking for a friend. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 11, 2021, at 3:21 PM, Bennett Lee wrote: > >  > Texas Cavers Calendar 2022 is here and available online! For those of you who > can't make it TCR because you're too busy caving outside of the great state >

Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] Cave syndrome

Waitshouldn’t Cavers be the first sufferers of “cave syndrome”? Sent from my iPhone > On May 9, 2021, at 8:42 AM, Carol Belski wrote: > > The end of the article nails it: should be prison syndrome. Someone who > has never been a caver obviously misnamed this “syndrome”. > —Carol > >>

Re: [Texascavers] Tree Roots in Caves

 We see tree roots in Arbuckle Mountain caves pretty regularly. Most of the time, the roots are found closer to entrances or near entrances that we haven’t found yet. An interesting correlation to roots is seeing vegetation bands across rock prairie areas that appear to follow faults that

Re: [Texascavers] Cavers

Karsty’s > On Apr 23, 2021, at 6:34 PM, Lee H. Skinner wrote: > > What do you call a collection of cavers? There are gaggles of geese, pods of > whales and murders of crows. What term would do justice to the special nature > of cavers? I once suggested a column of cavers, as cave teams

Re: [Texascavers] Help protect the Edwards Aquifer recharge zone

Interesting program – Voted for SMGA. Wish we had a group like that in Dallas. Heck – I wish we had interesting land worth conserving in Dallas. From: Texascavers on behalf of Joe Ranzau Reply-To: "texascavers@texascavers.com" Date: Friday, October 9, 2020 at 11:20 AM To: Cavers Texas

Re: [Texascavers] Humans reached the Americas 11, 000 years earlier than previously thought, archaeologists discover

Perhaps this is a dumb question – but if corn was “discovered” near a cave in Mexico – is there a native “corn” plant in Mexico’s wild areas ? From: Texascavers on behalf of Charles Loving Reply-To: "texascavers@texascavers.com" Date: Thursday, July 23, 2020 at 10:51 AM To: Cavers Texas

Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Sign the petition to Save Guadalupe River State Park & Honey Creek State Natural Area

ditto From: Texascavers on behalf of Michael Cicherski Reply-To: "texascavers@texascavers.com" Date: Friday, July 17, 2020 at 5:48 PM To: "texascavers@texascavers.com" Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Sign the petition to Save Guadalupe River State Park & Honey Creek State Natural Area Done

Re: [Texascavers] Gypsum Mine

com <mailto:jerryat...@aol.com> > wrote: > > I read that the developer submitted paperwork for the original development > that indicates they were aware of the mine. > > Sent from my iPhone > Jerry Atkinson > > On Jun 21, 2020, at 1:28 PM, John Brooks <mailto:john.broo

Re: [Texascavers] Gypsum Mine

ne was abandoned in the early 1900s. The presence of a mine was not on >> any county land records. The houses were built in the 1990s. What the >> developer knew is unknown. >> Carol >> On Sunday, June 21, 2020, 12:43:53 PM EDT, John Brooks >> mailto:john.broo

Re: [Texascavers] Gypsum Mine

Someone's professional liability coverage is about to take a big hit. > On Jun 20, 2020, at 9:07 PM, Mark wrote: > > This is really bizarre! Fascinating story and great pics. Thanks for sharing! > > Mark Ross > > -Original Message- From: Mike Flannigan > Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2020

Re: [Texascavers] Cave Blocks For Sale

The greater cost for those blocks is the transportation. We use those blocks for benches and landscape elements for projects in central Texas - and the cost is reasonable. But every time, we try to use those in North Texas, the transportation costs are excessive. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb

Re: [Texascavers] Passing of MJ Gibbons

happened. While I may not not have always agreed or disagreed with him - I am still sorry to hear this news. His unique perspective and voice will be missed. My sincere condolences to his family and friends. John Brooks Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 21, 2020, at 12:34 PM, Geary Schindel >

Re: [Texascavers] Updated The Hall of Texas and Mexico Cavers

Bill, Thank you for your efforts. I must say I found myself quite moved reading about friends that have passed and remembering the adventures that we shared along the way. John Brooks Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 5, 2019, at 4:27 PM, William R. Elliott wrote: > >  > Dear

Re: [Texascavers] sort of conservation related

Good grief David. I suspect this young lady is more aware of the world than you give her credit for - just because Texans love to live in their cars in trucks - that’s NOT how the rest of the world works or live. In fact many cities in the USA are now transitioning to be multi-modal

Re: [Texascavers] 2019 TCR Caver Storytelling Contest

WTF ? Locklear has NO cave stories to speak of ? This isn’t Arizona ! Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 26, 2019, at 7:13 PM, Charles Loving wrote: > > Good > >> On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 12:01 PM Bill Steele >> wrote: >> Announcing the 2019 TCR Caver Storytelling Contest. Last year we started >>

Re: [Texascavers] Brass Brunton Pocket Transit

IMO - the Brunton can stay on the collection shelvesI remember numerous survey trips with Pete using his favorite Bruntonone trip he called a string of alien sounding numbers and quadrants.after scratching my head for a few minutesI asked him to translate it into “English”. I

Re: [Texascavers] an attempt at humor

David, get whatever help you need now. Don’t wait. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 21, 2019, at 5:55 PM, Steve Keselik wrote: > > Mister McFrolicer, It's best to stay off the moon landing and the Holocaust! > Yes I question Every thing that our Govment does. Waco happened under > Clinton's

Re: [Texascavers] Rancho del Elusive Pit

Where are all of those illusive upper level leads on that map? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2019, at 7:09 AM, Nancy wrote: >> >> Then there was that cow. > > What a great line > Nancy > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com

Re: [Texascavers] sort-of related to nothing

That’s some really AWESOME advicewell said John Chelf ! Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 30, 2019, at 11:40 PM, JOHN CHELF wrote: > > David, > > Dear Wounded Soul. > > This is my first post on Cave Tex. > > I've read your posts for years. Please keep the bicycle, and sell or dump >

Re: [Texascavers] various NSS Convention stuff

Correction to Allan’s post: Phones are only as smart as their users. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 24, 2019, at 8:48 PM, Katherine Arens wrote: > > apologies to Jim! Got the story backwards .. . > Groad Hollow was present and accounted for, main thing! > >> On Jun 24, 2019, at 8:20 PM, Jim

Re: [Texascavers] NSS Convention related

In those 2020 daydreams - did you do something sane like take the Mega-bus or fly to West Virginia ? Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 24, 2019, at 1:31 PM, David wrote: > > From David Locklear, > > In one of my post, I accidentally said a Texas caver was present at The Howdy > Party, but I

Re: [Texascavers] misadventure

Mega-Bus requires Mega-Common Sense. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 20, 2019, at 2:16 PM, Jill Orr wrote: > > Mega Bus serving over 100 cities on the US: https://us.megabus.com/ with Bus > tickets for as low as $1. > > >> On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 11:30 PM David wrote: >> Wednesday night, 11

Re: [Texascavers] Another misadventure

What happened? Did you get dumped on the side of the road ? Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 19, 2019, at 3:59 PM, David wrote: > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/y47CBpU325n8rU4R6 > > 4 p.m. Wednesday > 10 miles northeast of Texarkana, Texas > > > > D.L. >

Re: [Texascavers] NSS Convention

I think Mr Locklear’s annual convention stories are sometimes quite hilarious. And I can’t wait for the answers to Mallory’s intriguing questions. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 17, 2019, at 5:36 PM, Charles Loving wrote: > > One has to remember he brought a 100 pound duffel full of stuff he

Re: [Texascavers] a road-trip story - part 2

It ain’t heavy, it’s his duffel. Someone should write a folk song about that. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 16, 2019, at 6:40 PM, Charles Loving wrote: > > 100 pounds in a duffle is amazing. I didn't take a 100 pounds for three weeks > in Costa Rica. I travel with an ancient back pack. I

Re: [Texascavers] Caves in tv shows

I don’t know Davidif you DON’T watch TVhow do you expect us to find your TV program reviews to be credible ? By your own admission - you don’t watch TV and thus don’t have the essential credential (ie -watching TV) to perform the review. Thus the reader of your review is left to wonder

Re: [Texascavers] My "Review" of Bill Mixon

Perhaps someone should start an “OPT OUT” list for Locklearian obituary reviews . There could be ONE opt out list for caver obituary reviews AND a opt out list for those who prefer to pass in peace WITHOUT being reviewed. Sent from my iPhone > On May 12, 2019, at 10:57 AM, Don Cooper wrote:

Re: [Texascavers] Clay on planet Mars

Wow - that’s 30 seconds of reading that I will never get back - unless someone invents time travel - and if that happens, I am totally gonna warn myself to NOT read that. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 9, 2019, at 5:13 PM, David wrote: > > NASA released another disturbing photo today

Re: [Texascavers] Bill Russell, newspaper articles and magazine covers

Yes! The Little Man slide show. What a hoot. That should reemerge. At the >> end was a real human for scale. >> >> Bill Steele >> speleoste...@ail.com >> >> On Mar 27, 2019, at 8:08 AM, John Brooks >> wrote: >> >>> When I was a young impre

Re: [Texascavers] Bill Russell, newspaper articles and magazine covers

When I was a young impressionable caver at Texas A, Bill Russell came to one of our biweekly grotto meetings and gave a presentation on “Caves”. In that slide presentation he had several photos of the “new” borehole in Airman’s Cave. It appeared to be 20’ tall passages.until we finally

Re: [Texascavers] Underground Mapping on the Fly

Yeah - I long for the day when my personal robot goes caving everyday while I am at work - so I can afford to buy the latest in robotic caving technology for my caving robot. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 12, 2019, at 10:07 PM, Logan wrote: > > Mark, dream of the day when that device is

Re: [Texascavers] another caver passes

It is good to know that our caving avidness is being evaluated after we pass. So if we don’t measure up - are we sent back to the underground to correct our deficiencies? Or do we go to another planet in the sky ? Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 7, 2019, at 10:13 PM, David wrote: > > According

Re: [Texascavers] Water harvesting in caves

Does Karst filter out run off from agricultural operations? I have often wondered about the quality of water in a cave downstream from a pig farm, poultry farm or a cattle operation. Or for that matter - what about crops? Seems like there are a lot of nasty chemicals spray on crops these days -

Re: [Texascavers] critters in caves

Interesting post. First - I assume that many people know this - But the TCMA owns several caves / preserves that are focused on protecting “cave critters”. Check out the TCMAs website for more information. Second - over many years of caving I have many interesting encounters with critters in

Re: [Texascavers] Federal shutdown, etc.

I hate hippocrates more than I hate stupid. > See ya in a year when I'm sure I'll talk myself into thinking you reasonable, > unbiased, non judge mental, accepting folks. Im sure you'll disappoint. This > time took less than 24 hrs. > Toddlers turds > >> On Tue, Jan 22, 201

Re: [Texascavers] Federal shutdown, etc.

How did political propaganda creep onto the Texas Cavers email list ? Reinstate the ban on political discussions - keep this list ABOUT CAVES & CAVING. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 22, 2019, at 5:00 AM, Michael Gibbons <6453...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Write Chuck and Nancy and tell them to

Re: [Texascavers] related to swimming holes

David, Invite your daughter on a road trip to Mexico to see your favorite places - and then take the trip. Someday she will be thankful for the time spent together. John Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 20, 2019, at 10:11 PM, David wrote: > > There are quite a few people that are on this

Re: [Texascavers] Video of the Day

Save your brain cells ! Just hit DELETE ! Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 17, 2019, at 12:33 PM, David wrote: > > Geary, > > The video was uploaded 2 days ago by a YouTube channel called "Let Me Know" > > One can contact them at: > > letmeknow...@gmail.com > > This channel regularly

[Texascavers] Rescue in Arkansas?

Anyone have any details on the rescue near Harrison, Arkansas ? Sent from my iPhone ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/

Re: [Texascavers] Caves in movies

> Just saying... the directors should have brought in a caver. > > D.L. More realistic caves to make the movie more realistic / believable to a exceedingly small fraction of the movie viewing population ? Good idea - but it seems like there is a bigger fish to fry in the quest for realism.

Re: [Texascavers] Lee Jay in hospital

That is very sad news. Sorry to hear. John Brooks Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 23, 2018, at 11:57 PM, carl.kunath wrote: > > Well said, George! > ===Carl Kunath > > > > Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S® 6. > > Original message > Fr

Re: [Texascavers] Cave Disease

Those diseases are all just symptoms of “SPAM-itis”.the deadly and fatal scourge of e mailing lists throughout the known electronic universe. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 10, 2018, at 9:48 PM, David wrote: > > If that is the accepted explanation then... > > I have had "work disease,"

Re: [Texascavers] They're all out safe

Lee, Thank you for keeping us all updated on the rescue news. Your efforts were appreciated. John Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 10, 2018, at 11:39 AM, Lee H. Skinner wrote: > > GAME OVER! > > > Movie coming soon? :-) > > > Lee Skinner > > ___

Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] The rescue attempt is far from over in the Thai cave

We were stranded in Deep Cave in Carlsbad Caverns NP when a heavy line of thunderstorms turned the entrance drop into a raging waterfall. We heard a roar from the back of the caveand returned to the drop to investigate. To our consternation, our rope was in the middle of a huge waterfall.

Re: [Texascavers] The Lost Boys - Day 8

The BBC is reporting that all of the boys and the coach have been found and are safe. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 1, 2018, at 2:40 PM, Lee H. Skinner wrote: > > A video uploaded today by CNN. Pumped out water is getting clearer. More > hope as divers have broken through the first sump. >

Re: [Texascavers] Videos of Guadalupe Caves

“( I am fairly certain that I didn't even own a flashlight or a tent or helmet or hiking boots, and I probably had no money and had not yet learned how to eat sardines. )” Yeah - I would have driven off and left you too. John Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 24, 2018, at 12:34 AM, David wrote: >

Re: [Texascavers] Texas attendees to NSS Conv ?

Is there an over and under ? Or is the TCMA selling squares ? Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 6, 2018, at 1:42 PM, Jim Kennedy wrote: > > Aaaand, so begins the pool for what time Locklear will show up at the > Convention, how long he will stay, and how many emails about what a bad > decision it

Re: [Texascavers] Appropriate cave place names

Appropriate or inappropriate cave names?: There is a small cave in Oklahoma that we named “dog shit pit”. The first person down complained “oh hell there is just a bunch of dog shit down here”. I thought that was a weird thing to say and wondered why a dog would poop thereso I questioned

[Texascavers] Check out this article on Candy's Dirt!

a real cave in East Dallas - but there are some interesting rumors. John Brooks Sent from my iPhone ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com

Re: [Texascavers] some recent obituaries

Thank you for sharing David, Cavetex and society in general could use more “poetry reading” evenings with friends. Zoraida seems to have led a very rich engaged life. I better get to work if I have any hope for my obituary to be that interesting. John Brooks Sent from my iPhone > On Ap

Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Re: [SWR CAVERS] Michigan family on spring break gets trapped in New Mexico cave

Compare discussions? Logan - Are you saying there is an elevator in 09 well? Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 1, 2018, at 10:27 PM, Logan McNatt wrote: > > Here's what our neighbors on the SWRCAVERS list are talking about--an actual > true event that happened in a cave in

Re: [Texascavers] Off-topic - a personal story

I am thinking someone should build some storage units in Fort Bend County. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 23, 2018, at 9:46 AM, David wrote: > > From David Locklear > Hit delete button now > > Like many of you, I hope to be at the TSA Spring Convention this weekend. >

Re: [Texascavers] MAP

Is that in the Grand Sequoia Forest of the Sierra de la Madres en law ? Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 10, 2018, at 10:23 AM, Terry Plemons wrote: > > Good one! > >> On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 7:48 AM, Charles Loving wrote: >> >> >> -- >> Charlie

Re: [Texascavers] Sort of Facebook related

Twitter seems to be well suited for letting people know that you are mentally stable and a genius. Beyond that - the format tends to reinforce an impression contrary to the aforementioned benefit. Being none of the above - I avoid that medium of instant gratification. Sent from my iPhone > On

Re: [Texascavers] speaking of Mars ...

Maybe Logan wasn’t really living in Belize. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 3, 2018, at 11:25 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers > wrote: > > Logan, exactly how do you know what a Martian hand looks like? > > > --Don > >> On Jan 3, 2018, at 11:19 PM, Logan McNatt

Re: [Texascavers] Just reminscing - part 2 of 3

There is a first time for everything. Several words I swore I would never say..come on David Locklear ! Post the final chapter of this Ill fated journey ! Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 25, 2017, at 1:56 AM, David via Texascavers > wrote: > > I left out the

[Texascavers] Lascaux Museum

> > https://www.archdaily.com/868408/lascaux-iv-snohetta-plus-casson-mann?ad_medium=adbo_17 > > > > New Lascaux Museum. This is what architects think caves look like. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com

Re: [Texascavers] The Elf

"Interesting" is not the adjective most people would have selected to precede "vision". Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 21, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Dwight via Texascavers > wrote: > > I don't think David would look very good in a diminutive little green elf > suit .

Re: [Texascavers] 2017 related

Well said Mr President Schindel. Keep on tweeting. My divisive fingers know where the delete button is when I feel the need to not read something. As for David - well I have said it before to him and will say it again to a wider audience. Write a freaking book. He is missing out on leveraging

[Texascavers] Digging Question

nd fragile. And there is significant organic matter captured in the wire mat. So the previous technique is not working. We have several untested ideas. But thought someone might have experienced this before. Any ideas ? Please contact me offline with responses. John Brooks Sent from

Re: [Texascavers] Road-trippin 102 - 2018 Gangnam Style

TCR 2018: MUD WRESTLING GRUDGE MATCH : DAVID "Bockbeer" LOCKLEAR VS CHARLIE "OMW" LOVING For the Sierra Madre Traveling Championship of MUD Wrestling ! The TCMA should monetize betting as a fund raising project. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 2, 2017, at 4:52 PM, David via Texascavers >

Re: [Texascavers] Mexican vehicle permit related

Great idea. Have babies ! To simplify paperwork for vehicle permits. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 20, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Charles Loving via Texascavers > wrote: > > Ed Alexander went through a year or two of trying to legally own a house > there. Lots and lots of

Re: [Texascavers] Jimmy Walker

Carl Very nice memorial. I appreciate that you used actual photos, in lieu of combing the Internet for pictures that looked similar. Mr Walker sounded like an interesting guy. Did he ever attend TCR or the Spring Conventions ? John Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 11, 2017, at 10:50 PM, Carl

Re: [Texascavers] Midnight Cave -- Lower Entrance

ade a nice addition to the TCMA. John Brooks Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 6, 2017, at 10:23 AM, Bill Steele via Texascavers > <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > > Has TCMA ever leased a cave? > >> On Nov 6, 2017, at 10:07 AM, Gregg Williams via Texascavers &

Re: [DFWgrotto] Go to the TSA Spring Convention at CWAN, Saturday, April 6th! BUT, if you don't...

Channel 5 is reporting that Longhorn Caverns completely flooded during this weekends storms. Probably best to cancel and attend the TSA Convention. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2013, at 12:08 PM, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: (Last reminder, thankfully! Sheesh!) Come on out to the

Re: [DFWgrotto] Go to the TSA Spring Convention at CWAN, Saturday, April 6th! BUT, if you don't...

enough to wet the ground and the cave and the area above it are, fortunately/unfortunately, still dry as bone. Project is still on for this weekend. Thanks, Mark From: John Brooks [mailto:jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 12:39 PM To: Alman

Re: [DFWgrotto] Go to the TSA Spring Convention at CWAN, Saturday, April 6th! BUT, if you don't...

enough to wet the ground and the cave and the area above it are, fortunately/unfortunately, still dry as bone. Project is still on for this weekend. Thanks, Mark From: John Brooks [mailto:jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 12:39 PM To: Alman

Re: [DFWgrotto] Go to the TSA Spring Convention at CWAN, Saturday, April 6th! BUT, if you don't...

Channel 5 is reporting that Longhorn Caverns completely flooded during this weekends storms. Probably best to cancel and attend the TSA Convention. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2013, at 12:08 PM, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: (Last reminder, thankfully! Sheesh!) Come on out to the

Re: [Texascavers] Re: LowGun's glow-in-the-dark quest

For a project a year or two agowe needed a very thin lighting system...and we found a lighting product that came in flexible, fabric/vinyl like sheets...and when electrical current was introducedthe material illuminated like a light bulb. Interesting product. It wasn't particularly

Re: [Texascavers] Re: LowGun's glow-in-the-dark quest

For a project a year or two agowe needed a very thin lighting system...and we found a lighting product that came in flexible, fabric/vinyl like sheets...and when electrical current was introducedthe material illuminated like a light bulb. Interesting product. It wasn't particularly

Re: [Texascavers] 50th Anniversary CAVER now available.

Nice! I LIKE, in the real sense, receiving ACTUAL caving news about ACTUAL caving in the mail.as opposed to electronic pseudo caving news about pseudo caving events that have nothing to do with caving except that a Caver, pseudo Caver or two attended. Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2011,

Re: [Texascavers] 50th Anniversary CAVER now available.

Nice! I LIKE, in the real sense, receiving ACTUAL caving news about ACTUAL caving in the mail.as opposed to electronic pseudo caving news about pseudo caving events that have nothing to do with caving except that a Caver, pseudo Caver or two attended. Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2011,

Re: [Texascavers] 50th Anniversary CAVER now available.

Nice! I LIKE, in the real sense, receiving ACTUAL caving news about ACTUAL caving in the mail.as opposed to electronic pseudo caving news about pseudo caving events that have nothing to do with caving except that a Caver, pseudo Caver or two attended. Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2011,

Re: [Texascavers] Forum? Cavechat!

The TSA tried an online forum several years ago.and Texas Cavers did not use or support it. Sent from my iPhone On May 22, 2011, at 10:56 AM, R D Milhollin rdmilhol...@yahoo.com wrote: Why reinvent the wheel? www.forums.caves.org/ --- On Sun, 5/22/11, Brandon Cook

Re: [Texascavers] Forum? Cavechat!

The TSA tried an online forum several years ago.and Texas Cavers did not use or support it. Sent from my iPhone On May 22, 2011, at 10:56 AM, R D Milhollin rdmilhol...@yahoo.com wrote: Why reinvent the wheel? www.forums.caves.org/ --- On Sun, 5/22/11, Brandon Cook

Re: [Texascavers] Forum? Cavechat!

The TSA tried an online forum several years ago.and Texas Cavers did not use or support it. Sent from my iPhone On May 22, 2011, at 10:56 AM, R D Milhollin rdmilhol...@yahoo.com wrote: Why reinvent the wheel? www.forums.caves.org/ --- On Sun, 5/22/11, Brandon Cook

Re: [Texascavers] Be cautious of driving into submerged sinkholes :

Another reason to drive a ToyotaFord Rangers sink. Sent from my iPhone On May 12, 2011, at 3:19 AM, jerryat...@aol.com wrote: DAUPHIN, MANITOBA—A Manitoba couple got the scare of their lives when a large puddle that concealed a sinkhole swallowed their Ford Ranger, completely

Re: [Texascavers] Be cautious of driving into submerged sinkholes :

Another reason to drive a ToyotaFord Rangers sink. Sent from my iPhone On May 12, 2011, at 3:19 AM, jerryat...@aol.com wrote: DAUPHIN, MANITOBA—A Manitoba couple got the scare of their lives when a large puddle that concealed a sinkhole swallowed their Ford Ranger, completely

Re: [Texascavers] Be cautious of driving into submerged sinkholes :

Another reason to drive a ToyotaFord Rangers sink. Sent from my iPhone On May 12, 2011, at 3:19 AM, jerryat...@aol.com wrote: DAUPHIN, MANITOBA—A Manitoba couple got the scare of their lives when a large puddle that concealed a sinkhole swallowed their Ford Ranger, completely

Re: [Allcavers] [Texascavers] Custom Duo inserts

Looks like a great productbut it costs more than my petzl duo cost new44 pounds is around 77 USD. How much do new duos cost now? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 8, 2011, at 11:16 AM, caverarch cavera...@aol.com wrote: Diana, I see that it will even work for folks old enough to still have a

Re: [Texascavers] Rattlesnake Cave, Oklahoma, and True Grit

There is a fairly long cave on Winding Stair mountain called Bear Den Cave. It has several entrances. And seems like I have heard past stories about a body recovery from the cave in the past. The cave has close to a 1000 feet of passage...although I am not sure it has been mapped. Seems like

Re: [Texascavers] prices

Can we get shuttle buses for TCR next year? They usually have a dozen or so shuttle bus routes to hotels with 3 or 4 buses running each route from 6AM to 10PM. I really don't want to hear any complaints about the cost of TCR. Allan

Re: [Texascavers] A major concern of Texas river runners

Well. One con of the existing SNA is there is NO ACCESS to Dolan Falls OR to Dolan Springs. Both of those prime things to see are on land controled by the Nature Conservancyand they are very reluctant to let anyone onto that property. Another Con to the current DRSNA is the absurd

Re: [Texascavers] TSA and NSS members?

3. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 8, 2010, at 6:52 PM, Logan McNatt lmcn...@austin.rr.com wrote: Don Arburn just answered my question, sort of: I am. O.K. Thanks Don. That makes 1. I am, too, so that doubles it to 2. Perhaps someone with access to the TSA list could speed this up just a

Re: [Texascavers] photos at TCR

Soif photos are concern...why not just make some NO PHOTO ZONE signs for the hot tub and aggie activity zone. We have way too many police as it is Sent from my iPhone On Oct 8, 2010, at 4:15 PM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: It's not just daylight hours. There is plenty

Re: [Texascavers] Re: La Joya de Salas

That sounds like an area that the Aggies visited with Bill Elliott in the late 70s. Over a couple of trips, past El Cielo Preserve, we surveyed several caves and found a few pits. There was a report in the AMCS newsletter at the timeon one tripvehicle problems left us stranded in the

Re: [Texascavers] Wikipedia Site of the Day

I trust Wikipedia more than I trust the newly adopted Texas Public School Text booksand for that matter much more than I trust FOX news Sent from my iPhone On Sep 24, 2010, at 1:22 PM, Jim Evatt nmca...@comcast.net wrote: Never trust anything that you hear - or half or what you see.

Re: [Texascavers] Re: TX caver real estate

This was a subject of debate among Texas Cavers for many years. And there was a land aquisition fund established by the TSA.for the purposes of possibly aquiring a site that could be used by TCR.or to buy a cave.an extensive polling of Texas Cavers took place and even included the

Re: [Texascavers] Personal Road-trip Report 11 of 20

driving for hours all by yourself is like a spouse?.. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 5, 2010, at 10:44 AM, Diana Tomchick diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu wrote: Not having a passenger to help navigate, read maps, watch the road, keep me a wake, manage the music, pay gas, and help drive, has

Re: [Texascavers] first cave trip

I would highly reccommend Sotano de los Golindrinos for infants. Anything less would just be bad parenting. And just imagine the lifetime of bragging rights: my dad took me to and DOWN Golindrinos when I was 16 months old. It would be easy to rig some type of suspension harness to suspend

Re: [Texascavers] Princeton Tec

I have 3 or 4 Princeton tec lights that don't workI wonder if the warranty would cover these? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2010, at 8:05 PM, jerryat...@aol.com wrote: It's a bit of a sad comment on the PrincetonTec in general that so many cavers are knowledgeable about failed lights

Re: [Texascavers] above ground cave

The grotto bar atop the caravan of dreams in fort worth is an above ground caveand maybe the highest above ground cave in the known universe. Does anyone keep a list of highest known above ground caves? Would we have to survey this cave to get it on the list. These are all questions that we

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Cavers Poster

That one was easy.I assumed the Crownover entrance was on land owned by Robert Crownoverwho is a well known resident of the Marble Falls area.and managed sales for the Cold Spring Granite Quarry just outside of town. Before the ready availability of cheap Indian, Chinese and

Re: [Texascavers] WNS action

This is the same group that wanted to administratively close ALL caves, occupied by bats on ALL federal lands in the continental US because of WNS. I am all for increasing funding for WNS research. But I am NOT going to sign this petition due to the organizations past poorly considered

Re: [Texascavers] WNS action

iPhone On May 20, 2010, at 3:29 PM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com wrote: If all the (federal) caves are closed, then perhaps humans wouldn’t be responsible for the cross-contamination of bat colonies. Just a thought ;-) Stefan From: John Brooks [mailto:jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net

Re: [Texascavers] grotto culture

Another question: do any members of any of the grottoes carry concealed firearms to grotto meetings? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 24, 2010, at 7:58 AM, Geary Schindel gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org wrote: David, It was nice to see you at the Bexar Grotto meeting on Monday. Nice description of

Re: [Texascavers] Bad air caves

I will defend the honor of cyclists everywhere.only Fred's use mirrors. If a cave requires a scuba tank.it had better be underwater. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 20, 2010, at 7:16 AM, Rod Goke rod.g...@earthlink.net wrote: Or you could just walk backwards and equip your helmet with

Re: [Texascavers] New caver! Dave Cave McClung's IS a daddy-OT

I just can't believe that he didn't name her: Margarita. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 15, 2010, at 1:25 PM, mark gee markageetxca...@yahoo.com wrote: Congratulations to mom and dad. A little Dave, on the she side, she will have mud in her blood right Dave. --- On Sun, 2/14/10, Andy Gluesenkamp

Re: [Texascavers] Fw: north pole moving

Someone should create an iPhone app to track the drift. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:51 AM, wesley s mudmal...@hotmail.com wrote: This is why i haven't wasted any money on some newfangled I-phone. We'll be sending Morris code by smoke or breeding carrier pigeons if a pole reversal

Re: [Texascavers] all-electronic Texas Caver

Sorry to call you on thisbutActually...you can't second, third or fourth a motion via email.nor can one make a motion via e mail.as the TSA by laws make no provisions for such proceedings. If in doubt, I always look to Roberts rules of order for guidance in such issuesbut

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