Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: [SWR] Carlsbad Cavern: old lead goes to big new room in Spirit World

2013-11-13 Thread Charles Loving
Bob and I surveyed some of the cave for the Park Service. we found a flow stone wall that had a small crawl way half way up it that blew out our carbide lamps. That was a few years back. On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.orgwrote: Very interesting indeed.

Re: [Texascavers] Fort Stanton Cave

2013-04-10 Thread Charles Loving
Article in the Presidio Paper about drilling for silver by the Candaiand in Brewster County. They are down 500 feet and still going. Driving those huge trucks around and getting out tons of silver ore. Interesting article. On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Gill Edigar gi...@att.net wrote: -

Re: [Texascavers] Fort Stanton Cave

2013-04-10 Thread Charles Loving
Article in the Presidio Paper about drilling for silver by the Candaiand in Brewster County. They are down 500 feet and still going. Driving those huge trucks around and getting out tons of silver ore. Interesting article. On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Gill Edigar gi...@att.net wrote: -

Re: [Texascavers] vegetarians, official tee, brian's son alex

2007-03-26 Thread Charles loving
Cause the carnivores will eat up all the salad and leave nothing but meat for the Vegeatableteerians. On 10/10/05, Scott back2scool...@hotmail.com wrote: Why would vegetarians be fed first? Is it some kind of handicap? Or are Carnivors just seen as inferior? I suppod us carnivouious will

Re: [Texascavers] Bob Thrun has died

2017-02-28 Thread Charles Loving
Bob caved with Squire Lewis and was a party to Squire's book. We caved in the Valles area. Hung out at a cantina on the plaza back in the good old days. On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 7:35 AM, Geary Schindel < gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org> wrote: > FYI, > > Geary > > > Folks, > > Wm Shrewsbury (the NSS

Re: [Texascavers] Bob Thrun has died

2017-02-28 Thread Charles Loving
Great. There needs to be more history and perhaps a museum of some sort. Caving has been around for a long time as we all know from all those Alley Oop cartoons. On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Wm Shrewsbury wrote: > A small update: > > Further conversations with NSS

Re: [Texascavers] Bob Thrun has died

2017-02-28 Thread Charles Loving
opps. sorry. On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Gill Ediger wrote: > Sorry, Charlie, but you're thinking of Bob Thren, not Bob Thrun. > --Ediger > > > On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 7:35 AM, Geary Schindel < > gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org> wrote: > > > FYI, > > Geary > > > Folks, >

Re: [Texascavers] border-crossing related

2017-03-27 Thread Charles Loving
What does that mean? How many people are watching me? I have a visa and go to the interior to Musquiz to a ranch there and a winery. Sometimes I drive. I guess thousands of people are watching me. On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 8:49 PM, Nancy Weaver wrote: > Charlie - how many

Re: [Texascavers] border-crossing related

2017-03-27 Thread Charles Loving
Spell thing spells things the way it wants to. wait persons. On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 7:25 PM, Charles Loving <lovingi...@gmail.com> wrote: > Went to Acuna just last week and had lunch with Roberto at the Railyard > down from where Crosby's used to be. Good steaks and very se

Re: [Texascavers] border-crossing related

2017-03-27 Thread Charles Loving
Went to Acuna just last week and had lunch with Roberto at the Railyard down from where Crosby's used to be. Good steaks and very sexy witnesses. On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 1:53 PM, David wrote: > From David Locklear, > > I once posted an off-topic post on Cavetex. > > If

Re: [Texascavers] Toga Party at Spring Convention!

2017-03-20 Thread Charles Loving
Where is the Spring Convention? On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 9:54 PM, Bennett Lee wrote: > This year for the TCMA Auction, we are doing a toga theme. Audience > members are invited to participate. TOGA! TOGA! TOGA! > > > > We’re doing the usual TCMA Auction, as well as

Re: [Texascavers] sort of related to Grutas de Garcia

2017-04-10 Thread Charles Loving
Grutas Garcia was the second cave I visited in Mexico in the sixties. We rode up on the little train thing. Looks like there has been a lot of development since the sixties. On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 4:42 AM, PRESTON FORSYTHE wrote: > Good one David. > > Thanks, > > Preston

Re: [Texascavers] Las Pozas

2017-04-11 Thread Charles Loving
Thanks for the post. I enjoyed the place a lot in the past. It is nice to see it is still there, a little more over grown now. Keep plugging around Greg. On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 12:59 PM, wrote: > This is for those of you who love Las Pozas in Xilitila cave country. A >

[Texascavers] Uvalde Obit

2017-04-20 Thread Charles Loving
Arthur R. Oakley III Arthur Robert “Bob” Oakley III, 72, of Uvalde died on April 10, 2017, at his residence. He was born on Oct. 14, 1944, in Easton, Pennsylvania, to Marjorie (Johnson) and Arthur Robert Oakley, Jr. He married Alicia Bankier on Jan. 1,

[Texascavers] Oakley

2017-04-19 Thread Charles Loving
Have been told that our funny Bob has gone to the cave in the sky. Bob was a CVS caver and a Sul Ross caver who had many adventures and fun in the early days of the caving history of West Texas and Mejico. RIP Bob. I will miss his with and commentary. -- Charlie Loving

Re: [Texascavers] mistaken send

2017-03-06 Thread Charles Loving
Louise: I never was a joiner of organizations. So I never got an NSS number. I did join Expolaciones de Mexico in 1968. But that is pretty much it. But I have been caving a lot since then. I even went into a cave last week here in Deer Corn. On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 7:56 PM, Louise Power

Re: [Texascavers] Houston related - part 2

2017-04-28 Thread Charles Loving
David I haven't seen my son in six months and my daughter in nine so what is the problem. You are so trivial. On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:53 PM, David wrote: > In theory, I could leave Houston tonight around 9 p.m. for a road-trip. > > The chance of me attending the TSA

[Texascavers] Big Bend in danger. Watch and weep

2017-04-24 Thread Charles Loving
Trans Pecos: A Cautionary Tale of a Pipeline and the Taking of Texas ... transpecosdoc.com/ 1. Energy Transfer Partners (the same

Re: [Texascavers] Who wants a DistoX2?

2017-05-06 Thread Charles Loving
Ahh... What is it and what does it do? And why would I need it? On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Fofo wrote: > Hi! > > I got this from Alan Rice: > > "I'm thinking of building a batch of DistoX2s, so I'm looking to gauge > interest. How many people would be interested if you

Re: [Texascavers] Related to nature

2018-04-27 Thread Charles Loving
g development value, and ever more media >>> reporting. See *here >>> <https://friendsofscience.org/index.php?id=712#Severe_Weather>* for >>> graphs and discussion of extreme weather. >>> >>> >>> *MYTH 9: Receding glaciers and the calv

Re: [Texascavers] Related to nature

2018-04-27 Thread Charles Loving
'We're doomed': Mayer Hillman on the climate reality no one else will dare mention https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/apr/26/were-doo med-mayer-hillman-on-the-climate-reality-no-one-else-will- dare-mention?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 10:58 PM, David

Re: [Texascavers] La Chonta

2018-05-08 Thread Charles Loving
Pretty good rendition of the story. Kids ransacked the tents because Clark told them Santa had left gifts in them. Strickland's shower set up shocked people at times. The banquet was late.Ron Ralph gave a long slide show. On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 1:47 AM, David wrote: >

Re: [Texascavers] Cacahuamilpa caves

2018-05-07 Thread Charles Loving
Somewhere I have that video that David talks about. Most of the people wore wet suits and life jackets. All the video has people with them on. We entered the cave "Chonta" about half way in an entrance in the side of a hill. We parked on a road and hiked in across fields. When four of us came back

Re: [Texascavers] La Chonta

2018-05-08 Thread Charles Loving
We sat in the bar there after coming out of the river and drank tequila. Where we kept our money during the traverse I have no idea. On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 12:07 PM, Nancy wrote: > > Ah when caving was fast and loose! > > Nancy > >

Re: [Texascavers] give Locklear a ride

2018-06-07 Thread Charles Loving
Bill he was entertaining from Bracketville to Acuna and that was an hour. Sort of a non stop monologue of everything. On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 9:36 PM, Bill Bentley wrote: > Well I am leaving July 27th and not coming back till August 11th or 12th. > > I could deliver but he'd have to hitch back

Re: [Texascavers] car needs inspection

2018-06-15 Thread Charles Loving
You can get it done at any inspection station. My two standard transmission vehicles are regustered in Real County but I got them inspected in Kerrville which Kerr COunty 100 miles north. On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 12:09 AM, Galen Falgout wrote: > Bill I could help you with your car inspection.

Re: [Texascavers] car needs inspection

2018-06-15 Thread Charles Loving
Ahh the pollution question. SiFuentes Garage here in Deer Corn has never heard of pollution contral. He has contraband freon from Mexico for the AC in my 1983 pickup. On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Mixon Bill wrote: > Galen --It is registered in Travis County. Hays County does not have the >

Re: [Texascavers] Groad Hollow

2018-06-17 Thread Charles Loving
What happened with Lui? On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Gill Ediger wrote: > Who is goint to NSS Convention by car? I need someone to carry the Groad > Hollow signs to the convention (Texas caver campground) and back again to > Austin. I think there's a Texas flag in a pocket on the back of

Re: [Texascavers] Don Broussard

2018-06-05 Thread Charles Loving
And he can cook too, was one of the Caver cooks. On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 9:54 PM, Carl Kunath wrote: > I’m on board with this! Don deserves thanks and a lot of > > *From:* William R. Elliott > *Sent:* Monday, June 04, 2018 9:10 PM > *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com > *Subject:* [Texascavers]

Re: [Texascavers] Don Broussard

2018-06-04 Thread Charles Loving
Last time I was there the ticks were as thick as ants on the ground and stampeded toward our lucious bodies. We ran away. On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 12:20 PM, David wrote: > Don is the best. > > In 1989, I severely injured my eye at the rigging point of the first pit > in Cueva Cuchillo. > > Lots

Re: [Texascavers] Seeking old photos of Grutas de Quintero

2018-06-29 Thread Charles Loving
Very cool report. I went there to just bomb around and then went to Tinaja and Arroyo. Someone claimed to have seen a tigre at Arroyo. We were trying to connect those two caves. We came close so I am thinking they do connect. On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 12:21 PM, William R. Elliott wrote: > Do any

Re: [Texascavers] The Lost Boys - Day 8

2018-07-02 Thread Charles Loving
Navy Seals reached them. The CNN report says they are very weak and medics are going in to evaluate them. Getting them out actually won't be that easy either but they are alive. On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 11:04 AM, John Brooks < john.brooks.archit...@gmail.com> wrote: > The BBC is reporting that all

Re: [Texascavers] Terry Cavanaugh and the Alpine Express

2018-04-29 Thread Charles Loving
I had the French version once upon a time but where it is now I have no idea. it was an interesting study. On Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 5:33 PM, Jenni Arburn wrote: > He wrote a book about it. Unfortunately, I cannot find an english version. > > > On Apr 29, 2018, at 4:17 PM,

Re: [Texascavers] reddit - part two

2018-02-01 Thread Charles Loving
What is reddit? On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 1:24 PM, David wrote: > Apparently, caving is not a popular topic on reddit. I posted something > there today about Canadian caves - a topic I know zilch about. > > reddit does not like me. It thinks I am a spammer. Go figure

Re: [Texascavers] Furlough ??

2018-02-01 Thread Charles Loving
Interesting point. The Federal Fish hatchery in Uvalde had to shut down. But they in reality can't because there has to be someone to feed and take care of all the fish. A conundrum for sure. My friend there kept working because she couldn't not deal with turning off all the systems. There are a

Re: [Texascavers] New Cave in Brushy Creek area?

2018-02-10 Thread Charles Loving
were lying on the ground in the cave, I > guess broken during the sinkhole collapse. (Who knows if that's true or > not?) Too bad the cave doesn't run under HIS house! > > On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 7:51 AM, Charles Loving <lovingi...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> &g

Re: [Texascavers] Caving

2018-02-07 Thread Charles Loving
xascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] *On > Behalf Of *Charles Loving > *Sent:* Saturday, January 27, 2018 3:21 PM > *To:* Bill Steele <cwilliamste...@gmail.com>; Tom Byrd < > byrdtm.byr...@gmail.com>; Gill Ediger <bgillegi...@gmail.com>; M.H. > McKenzie <metago...@aust

Re: [Texascavers] Keith Heiss? Hiess? The guy with the cave radio

2018-02-15 Thread Charles Loving
Cave Radio?Cave Carson had one in the first issue. On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 7:39 PM, Ben Hutchins wrote: > Anyone have contact info for Keith Heiss? Hiess? He used a cave radio in > O-9 Well years ago... looking to get in touch with him. If you know how, > let me

Re: [Texascavers] anybody caving out there ?

2018-08-03 Thread Charles Loving
The wit is dim. On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 1:06 PM, David wrote: > I was afraid when I typed that, that I might accidentally botch that. > But I was trying > to imply those are the kind of people you might run across at such an > event. > > There should now be an opportunity for someone to write

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver publication

2018-08-13 Thread Charles Loving
I pay my dues but never see anything. But I don't worry about it much. On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 5:47 AM, Bill Steele wrote: > Questions please: When was the last Texas Caver published? Is the next > one in the works? I like to submit articles for it. To whom do they go? Is > there a

Re: [Texascavers] land for sale

2018-08-18 Thread Charles Loving
I'm still thinking and will come a conclusion sooner than later. I live 200 miles from you folks. On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 2:58 PM, Nancy Weaver wrote: > Charlie - call 512.924.3391 if you want more info. Nancy > > On Aug 18, 2018, at 11:08 AM, Charles Loving wrote: > >

Re: [Texascavers] land for sale

2018-08-18 Thread Charles Loving
I am thinkingon it. On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 10:17 AM, Amy Jasek wrote: > Man oh man, I would buy it in a second if I could! > > On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 5:47 PM Logan wrote: > >> Thanks Ernie and Nancy! >> Hopefully another caver will be interested in buying the property. >> Logan >> >> On

Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] NSS Publication / scam?

2018-07-23 Thread Charles Loving
As an immigrant myself I never comply with any of those demands or deals. I am a Brit by birth so I had to learn French, German and Latin before I came to the EEUU. On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:14 AM, Linda Starr wrote: > Thank you, Diana. The NSS did give you all notice. Read your NSS News. Be >

Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration volunteers!

2018-08-29 Thread Charles Loving
g new ones. However, if "throw them out" is the spirit of > the "new" TCR, perhaps it is time to end this long running tradition. > > Allan Cobb > > Retired TCR Big Cheese and Caver Wrangler > > > > On 8/29/2018 6:23 AM, Charles Loving wrote: > > I

[Texascavers] Bill's tale

2018-09-01 Thread Charles Loving
So I guess it’s time to tell this story. Wednesday afternoon I was happily finishing up on a shaper , think of big router, the last few wooden pieces of the doors and windows for our home in Mexico and looking forward to gluing them all up and being a big step towards completing the house. A

Re: [Texascavers] Ruidoso News: Historian adds perspective to lecture on Carlsbad Caverns

2018-09-07 Thread Charles Loving
Most interesting. I visited the cavern as a teen and was part of the mapping team with Ron Bridgeman at one time. We mapped two other caves in the park, Spider Cave was one of them as I recall. That was a long time ago when my knees were in better shape for crawling and climbing. On Thu, Sep 6,

Re: [Texascavers] Memorial Gathering for Tom White

2018-09-08 Thread Charles Loving
Nov. 10th The Not Dead Yet Party at Dave's House. Ya'll come. On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 2:24 PM Sam Young wrote: > For those of you who are interested in a celebration of the life of our > departed friend Tom White: I talked to Janie White this morning. The > plan is to have a gathering at Camp

Re: [Texascavers] TCR Volunteers

2018-09-04 Thread Charles Loving
830-597-6403 On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 7:07 AM Bob Burnett wrote: > How do I contact you, do you have a phone number that I may call. > > Trailer question? > Thanks, > Bob Burnett Rune > > Home 512-459-0505 > Cell 512-934-0210 > bburne...@austin.rr.com > > *From:* Trevor McClymont > *Sent:*

Re: [Texascavers] Survival question

2018-07-10 Thread Charles Loving
They were not thinking about survival. Only a survivalist or Alex Jones would worry about such on a day trip. For survival I always take a case of Kipper Snacks with me on all my trips incase there areb't any fast food joints. I have a map of all the Dairy Queens in the U.S., and an Ap for the

[Texascavers] RIP

2018-07-07 Thread Charles Loving
Early on caver Tom White died in Rockport of congestuve heart failure. -- Charlie Loving ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/

Re: [Texascavers] Pete’s last Sunday Swim

2018-07-07 Thread Charles Loving
Looks pretty screwed up. Now I hear old caver Tom White has crossed over to the Happy Hunting Ground. On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 11:05 AM, Bill Steele wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >

Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] Cave rescue article by a former Expeditions Coordinator for the National Speleological Society

2018-07-07 Thread Charles Loving
In 1925, a man named Floyd Collins failed to come home from a day of cave exploration. A brief search located Collins. He was less than 200 feet from the entrance to a small cave just a couple of miles from his home. Collins had been on his way out of the cave when he dislodged a rock which pinned

Re: [Texascavers] more rants about the cave in Thailand

2018-07-04 Thread Charles Loving
What has made Bockbeer an expert of Thailand and cave rescue? His comments are inane. Maybe he needs to get in the Sequoia and head for Thailand to give an on the secne report instead of his rambling. He sounds like Sean Hannity. OK that is it, no more picking on Bockbeer. On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at

Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] The rescue attempt is far from over in the Thai cave

2018-07-04 Thread Charles Loving
Yes. Many thanks for the effort. The whole story is fascinating. Lots of questions as to why these kids did what they did? On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Peter Jones wrote: > Just wanted to say “thank you”, Lee, for keeping us all up to date on this > rescue effort. You’ve made it

Re: [Texascavers] This day in speleo-history

2018-03-30 Thread Charles Loving
*Well David Locklear that was about as negative a post as I have read. You need to stay clear of religion. That was most insulting to anyone who believes in Christ. If you want to be an atheist then say so but don't try to make fun of other people's faith. It wasn't funny at all, and it made fun

Re: [Texascavers] Spring Convention

2018-03-26 Thread Charles Loving
Well, duh! I was planning to go and bring my donation stuff but somehow I just didn't know it was Saturday? Being retired these days just run together. Someone has to Hit me over the head and say. "HEY FOOL1" On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 7:11 AM, Denise P wrote: > Wow that was

Re: [Texascavers] For the record

2018-04-02 Thread Charles Loving
I am such a putz. I write the message down on a calendar and then loose it. I should put it on the computer but... I have these pictures to donate to the cause. Maybe I should put them in a UPS and send them to you. Address? On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 9:40 AM, Logan McNatt

Re: [Texascavers] Terry Saythers' HAWAII 70 Party

2018-03-31 Thread Charles Loving
Somewhere in my archives I have a photo taken from on top of something of a zillion covers in Real de Catorce for a major Sather event. On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 9:54 AM, Dwight wrote: > I can't make it, but do say hi to Terry for me. Genuinely!! Although I > certainly will

Re: [Texascavers] TCR Caver Storytelling Contest

2018-10-11 Thread Charles Loving
Bill Elliot won the laughing contest at Luckenbach. On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 3:12 PM Bill Steele wrote: > I just practiced telling my story and timed it: 3:05. First time out and > it was rough. I can do it in three minutes. > > I’m going to emcee the contest. I’ll start off and go first. I

Re: [Texascavers] TCR Caver Storytelling Contest

2018-10-11 Thread Charles Loving
You could end the story telling with a laughing contest. The idea of a farting contest was nixed by my wife. The last one of those I attended was a real stinker. On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 8:40 PM Charles Loving wrote: > Yes, that was him in his more outrageous and liberal days. As luck wo

Re: [Texascavers] TCR Caver Storytelling Contest

2018-10-11 Thread Charles Loving
nks, > > William R. (Bill) Elliott > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 11, 2018, at 8:04 PM, Charles Loving wrote: > > Bill Elliot won the laughing contest at Luckenbach. > > On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 3:12 PM Bill Steele > wrote: > >> I just practiced telling my story

[Texascavers] Caving

2018-10-19 Thread Charles Loving
-- *Scramble to escape world's deepest cave... * Charlie Loving ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com |

Re: [Texascavers] Bill Steele Saw The Truth

2018-10-09 Thread Charles Loving
I went to Wonder Cave. On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 9:23 AM Charles Loving wrote: > "Let's go a caving, a caving, > Let's go a caving and join the" > > > > On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 1:12 AM Carl Kunath > wrote: > >> Bill is exactly right. It’s an

Re: [Texascavers] The Explorers Club Texas Chapter - fall event

2018-10-01 Thread Charles Loving
I have been a card carrying member of Explorations de Mexico. Otis McAlester was the fellow that recruited me. On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 10:22 AM Bill Steele wrote: > It’s not. It’s for attendees of the dinner. > > Bill > > > On Oct 1, 2018, at 9:51 AM, Nancy Weaver wrote: > > > > Bill - could

Re: [Texascavers] The Explorers Club Texas Chapter - fall event

2018-10-01 Thread Charles Loving
Cool, thanks! We... I... need to finish the cartoon book. I hope to see you at Old Timers? On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 10:41 AM Bill Steele wrote: > Check out this website, Charlie. I joined in 1979. > > explorers.org > > Bill Steele > speleoste...@aol.com > > On Oct 1, 20

Re: [Texascavers] Bill's tale

2018-09-03 Thread Charles Loving
No. My nose has long since fallen into being brown and unused for anything but smelling stuff. Grilling left over beetles for lunch. On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 10:46 AM Logan wrote: > Charlie is a master cartoonist. He is also a master of obfuscation (the > act of making something obscure, unclear,

Re: [Texascavers] Glenn Canyon: The Place No One Knew:

2018-09-22 Thread Charles Loving
Man is always doing his best, either to change the environment or save it. The planet it evolving as well and what we are doing is pushing it ahead at a greater speed.We can predict the outcome as long as things are somewhat constant but given a mega eruption, hit from space, a earth quake on the

Re: [Texascavers] paper maps vs. digital maps

2018-09-27 Thread Charles Loving
They worked quite well in Algeria between Bechar and Agades. ONC charts kept us from becoming fossils. On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 11:57 AM William R. Elliott wrote: > In reply to the joking comment that paper maps are better, well maybe if > you live in the Jurassic Period. Try to find paper topo

Re: [Texascavers] Caves in movies

2018-12-31 Thread Charles Loving
How relevant is Aquaman to anything? On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 6:25 AM John Brooks wrote: > > > Just saying... the directors should have brought in a caver. > > > > D.L. > > More realistic caves to make the movie more realistic / believable to a > exceedingly small fraction of the movie viewing

Re: [Texascavers] FW: Join Us for Wonder Cave; The History & Exploration by Kelly Smallwood

2019-01-14 Thread Charles Loving
Different Wonder Cave from the one I mapped in San Mucus. On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 8:37 AM Geary Schindel wrote: > Forward for Debbie. > > Please spread the word. > > Geary > > > Cavers, > Please join us for the next webinar, Wonder Cave, one of Tennessee's > oldest caves. Kelly Smallwood will

Re: [Texascavers] new deep cave

2018-12-20 Thread Charles Loving
Dos Bocas in Puerto Rico is not quite a float. A group of us Texas covers did that with some PR cavers as guides. On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 2:43 PM David wrote: > A lot of non-caving people probably have no idea that there are lots of > deep caves in the remote wildernesses. In fact, there are

Re: [Texascavers] sort of Houston related

2018-12-14 Thread Charles Loving
Mac for me. I wouldn't recognize a Linx from an Bobcat. On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 10:46 PM Scott Boyd wrote: > Awright - another year of the Linux Desktop! We've been having > those since I-don't-remember-when.. > > Scott > > On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 1:12 AM David wrote: > >> From

Re: [Texascavers] no messages since 10-25-2018?

2018-11-22 Thread Charles Loving
Good ! On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 3:45 PM Crystal Datri wrote: > I'm receiving a large back-log today. > > Crystal Datri > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 1:56 PM Logan wrote: > >> Test to see if texascavers is still functioning >> ___ >> Texascavers mailing

Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Louise Power

2018-11-22 Thread Charles Loving
Knew her in her Austin days. She was indeed a caver and kept at it. Another person who went to the Great Sky Cave. So sorry. On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 10:39 AM Jacqui Thomas wrote: > Very sad to hear this—I enjoyed our email conversations, many about art. She > was a very interesting woman &

Re: [Texascavers] Highline Rope Sale

2018-12-30 Thread Charles Loving
What would a 77 year old do with a rope other than perhaps hang him or herself when the pain of age gets unbearable? I have about 30 feet of sisal rope and a Mexican lariat made of horse hair with a leather grasp. Seems like enough. On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 12:55 PM Mark Minton wrote: > For a

Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration history

2018-09-13 Thread Charles Loving
the cavers who pay. They costs are fixed for >> many of these events. The cost is divided among those who attend and pay. >> If you don't pay, your portion of the cost, your portion of the cost is >> passed on to other cavers. If you choose not to pay, at least thank all the >>

Re: [Texascavers] A Little TCR History

2018-09-16 Thread Charles Loving
That was last decade or so. I went ti Minas with Rune and watched a bear take a swim. On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 10:57 AM Allan Cobb wrote: > In 1988, 30 years ago, TCR (Texas Old Timer's Reunion as it was called > then) was scheduled to happen right about this date. The date was > changed because

Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration history

2018-09-14 Thread Charles Loving
Space. Ah Hah... The Space Force will be created. Or are we taking about space, like moving about and getting rid of unwanted junk? On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 8:29 AM Denise P wrote: > We will check on this. I am helping Jim this year, and it's a first for > both of us. > > I seriously doubt

Re: [Texascavers] Jim Evatt nailed it.: Our beloved Rio Grande

2018-09-16 Thread Charles Loving
Wow what a bunch of errors. I just did a comic book on Big Bend and the Rio Grande and I had real out rageous sources at Sul Ross. Walked the park and floated the canyon and grew up in the Upper Valley (El Paso). Studied it a lot and that is a shame. The plus side is it brings attention to our

Re: [Texascavers] Wed update: Bill Russell

2019-03-20 Thread Charles Loving
I hate to say this but we all pass on to that great cave in the sky. Sometimes it is better to let go. I know that sounds crass but that is me. On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 1:02 PM Katherine Arens wrote: > hi gang, > not doing too well. May be transferred to ICU again because his blood > pressure

Re: [Texascavers] William

2019-03-26 Thread Charles Loving
Good idea. Maybe a plaque of some kind??? On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 11:44 AM Bill Steele wrote: > Good idea! > > Bill Steele > speleoste...@aol.com > > > On Mar 26, 2019, at 11:08 AM, James Jasek wrote: > > > > Since William Russell discovered whirl pool cave not only discovered but > dug out

Re: [Texascavers] Bill Russell, newspaper articles and magazine covers

2019-03-26 Thread Charles Loving
Time flies when you are having fun. On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 8:21 AM wrote: > ps 1976 is only 43 years ago yer making me feel more ancient than I am > AGG'i > > > -- > *From: *"Andy Gluesenkamp" > *To: *"texascavers" > *Sent: *Tuesday, March 26, 2019 7:11:30 AM >

Re: [Texascavers] La Cueva del Precipicio, Nuevo Leon, Mexico, a weekend trip from Texas

2019-03-01 Thread Charles Loving
I recall the traverse, across a field of very loose rubble. It was scary enough and I don't think anyone took pictures. Climbing up to Cabeza was also quite a trip. Going on that long hike without any of the proper gear was really stupid, but that was the era of being stupid and learning how to

Re: [Texascavers] Giant Caves of Northern Mexico

2019-03-02 Thread Charles Loving
Orion Knox spent years mapping the great. I have his detailed map. It was done prior to the digital age. Many UT cavers spent hours mapping with him. And I do recall the birthday passage and the wonder of seeing it. Bustamante was my first major cave trip to Mexico. Myself, Clark Santos, and

Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Precipicio

2019-03-02 Thread Charles Loving
ld start a new thread so as not to hijack this one. > > Nico > > El vie., 1 de mar. de 2019 8:14 PM, Charles Loving > escribió: > >> Correct >> >> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 8:10 PM PRESTON FORSYTHE >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >&

Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Precipicio

2019-03-01 Thread Charles Loving
Correct On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 8:10 PM PRESTON FORSYTHE wrote: > > > Precipicio > > I will jump in on this recap of a favorite old cave. > > Last time I was in Bustamente Canyon 6-8 years ago on Runi, Ron's and > Strickland's yearly clean up trips in Palmito I ask about the status of >

Re: [Texascavers] Bustamante

2019-03-02 Thread Charles Loving
The Italian Boy Scout... si it is him. On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 3:49 PM Nico Escamilla wrote: > Is that Giovani whatshisface from the boy scouts giving first aid? > > El sáb., 2 de mar. de 2019 3:42 PM, Charles Loving > escribió: > >> >&

Re: [Texascavers] Ernie and hospice

2019-02-22 Thread Charles Loving
Covers are a different breed, a clan or tribe that can do a lot of good things. I always knew that over time. A caring group of misfits. On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 8:42 AM Geary Schindel wrote: > Nancy, > > A great example of the care and love of the extended caver family. > > Thanks for all you

Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] Your GPS Devices May Stop Working On April 6 If You Don't Or Can't Update Firmware

2019-03-13 Thread Charles Loving
I use old technology. Never had a GPS. My Brunton seems to work pretty well to pick out north. And I use paper maps. But then i haven't been lost or on a mapping trip in 15 years and the Texas Highway Dept map works for me. I usually know where I am going. On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 7:50 PM Bill

Re: [Texascavers] Bill Russell

2019-03-12 Thread Charles Loving
I crawled around in Laubach Cave with Bill. We got in through a well shaft or some such. On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 10:43 AM Nancy Weaver wrote: > I was lucky enough to have Terry Raines and Bill Russell as my caving > mentors in the late 70’s early 80’s. Between them I was turned onto the >

Re: [Texascavers] Bill Russell

2019-03-09 Thread Charles Loving
Getting old is not fun or for sissies. On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 1:46 PM Katherine Arens wrote: > thanks, carl. He’s woken up now and then and it looks like his blood > pressure is stabilizing. We hope. > k > > On Mar 9, 2019, at 1:33 PM, Carl Kunath > wrote: > > Katie, thank you for the

Re: [Texascavers] Your GPS Devices May Stop Working On April 6 If You Don't Or Can't Update Firmware

2019-02-14 Thread Charles Loving
What about your paper map? I have yet to use a GPS or a smart telephone. I find no need for a GPS. I usually know where I am and I can read ONC charts and use a compass. Back when Ed and I crossed the Sahara in a 2CV with only ONC charts and a compass. There were no paved roads just sand an tires

Re: [Texascavers] Video for Locklear

2019-05-27 Thread Charles Loving
Where is Bockbeer. Haven't heard a poot out of him in ages. On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 12:27 PM Bill Bentley wrote: > 1992 Gloworm Cave Entrance. 16 ft tight and I mean tight entrance! > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >

Re: [Texascavers] a cave painting

2019-06-01 Thread Charles Loving
Ginger Beer? Isn't beer susposed to be beer? How did Ginegr get in it. did she come all the way from Giligan's Island? On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 5:50 PM David wrote: > I swear I am going on another hiatus. > > I will leave you all with this new video of an artist painting a cave > entrance. > >

Re: [Texascavers] A consumer tip - new cell phones

2019-06-14 Thread Charles Loving
; GPS Technician - TX, LA, AR, OK & MS > *Professional Transportation, Inc.* > > > On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 3:27 PM Charles Loving > wrote: > >> We crossed the Sahara with ONC charts and a Michelin map. Still, have the >> map in case I need to cross the Sahara again.

Re: [Texascavers] A consumer tip - new cell phones

2019-06-13 Thread Charles Loving
Smart phones. I had a nifty Samsung something that did all manner of things. The screen was way too little for my ancient eyes. The teeny ap things were impossible for my fumble fingers. I kept pushing the wrong buttons and calling porn-hub or some such. I had two of them and tossed them in a

Re: [Texascavers] NSS Convention

2019-06-16 Thread Charles Loving
I haven't slept to noon in decades. I rise at dawn thirty everyday. When I was working swing or the night shift I slept until lunch sometimes. On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 9:34 AM David wrote: > I can now verify, that I have already bungle-fied my trip. > > A poor lady NSS volunteer waited and

Re: [Texascavers] a road-trip story - part 2

2019-06-16 Thread Charles Loving
*100 pounds in a duffle is amazing. I didn't take a 100 pounds for three weeks in Costa Rica. I travel with an ancient back pack. I take extra shorts, a pair of pants, underwear, two or three t-shirts, a shirt, a jacket, a flashlight (teeny) some socks, and toilet articles, a knife, all which

Re: [Texascavers] Groad Hollow

2019-06-16 Thread Charles Loving
Rune Burnett or Robert. Get the names right. On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 6:28 PM David wrote: > The Sacred Pilgrimage to Groad Hollow has begun for many cavers. At > least 10 have already completed it. > > A special place to remember our wonderful friends who passed and left us, > and to make new

Re: [Texascavers] Happy thoughts

2019-06-15 Thread Charles Loving
> survive I’m not so worried about myself but I’m definitely worried about my > daughter and my granddaughter > > Jim > > Sent from my iPhoneX > > On Jun 15, 2019, at 9:59 AM, Charles Loving wrote: > > *IPCC and the Green idea plans are based on the assumption that

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