As an immigrant myself I never comply with any of those demands or deals. I am a Brit by birth so I had to learn French, German and Latin before I came to the EEUU.
On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:14 AM, Linda Starr <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you, Diana. The NSS did give you all notice. Read your NSS News. Be > a little more tolerant and teach tolerance except of people who are not > tolerant of immigrants (you are one), children who can’t read or write and > those who pollute and misuse natural resources. > Linda Starr > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 19, 2018, at 4:06 PM, Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Diana, current members update this yearly when they renew, or if they > renew multiple years, then when it expires. If someone chose to let their > membership lapse, then this is unsolicited contact. > > I understand the reason for this, but it was not handled properly, in my > opinion and I certainly didn't opt in for any phone calls at any time. > > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 5:52 PM Diana Tomchick <Diana.Tomchick@ > utsouthwestern.edu> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> >> The NSS, like lots of volunteer organizations, needs to know who are the >> people that are interested in receiving information from the organization. >> Since many people change email addresses and phone numbers, after a few >> years, the database is no longer current. This is an effective way to >> update the database by a professional company. It's impractical to ask a >> group of volunteer cavers to contact ~10,000 people to ask them about their >> personal information--and imagine how upset y'all would be if you knew it >> was just some random volunteer cavers trying to collect this information. >> >> >> Why does the NSS need this information? As with most organizations these >> days, the membership numbers are decreasing. In order for the NSS to stay >> relevant to their current members and to encourage people to renew their >> memberships, they need to be able to provide information to them. >> >> >> I would hope that as the fine cavers you all are in the Southwest Region >> of the NSS, that you would not want to deny the NSS the opportunity to >> interact with you in the future. >> >> >> Diana >> >> >> ************************************************** >> Diana R. Tomchick >> Professor >> Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry >> University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center >> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd >> <https://maps.google.com/?q=5323+Harry+Hines+Blvd&entry=gmail&source=g>. >> Rm. ND10.214A >> Dallas, TX 75390-8816 >> [email protected] >> (214) 645-6383 (phone) >> (214) 645-6353 (fax) >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Texascavers <[email protected]> on behalf of >> Michael Gibbons <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Thursday, July 19, 2018 5:24 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Cc:* Steve Peerman; SWR Cavers Group; Sandia Grotto; Allen Wright; Lee >> Skinner >> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] NSS Publication / scam? >> >> I phoned in. I authorized use of name, phone number and email. >> Asked if I wanted a directory, I said no. It wasn't a hard sell and they >> weren't after ant information that I seem sensitive. >> I think it's innocuous and that they are doing just what they were hired >> to do. Compile a directory and nothing more. >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018, 5:16 PM Stephen Fleming <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> "Do not call' doesn't apply, since the contractor presumably is not the >>> one making the calls. >>> >>> However, regarding the list, there is an exemption for non-profits. But, >>> while the contractor is working for a non-profit, the company itself is a >>> for-profit entity. It would be an interesting question whether they would >>> get a pass due to the NSS overhead. >>> >>> Unsolicited emails pretty much follow the same scheme. >>> >>> Also, calls/emails are not prohibited for 'customers' who have a >>> business relationship with the caller, something we all have by virtue of >>> our membership. >>> >>> Less clear would be whether lapsed members could be called/emailed >>> without violating restrictions. I think a case could be made that a lapsed >>> member no longer has any relationship to the organization despite how >>> desperately the NSS might want them back. >>> >>> Regardless of the above (and the inapplicability of do not call/email in >>> this instance) it doesn't mean the NSS can do anything it wants with the >>> private information gleaned from our member status. >>> >>> As events continue to repeatedly demonstrate, not only is direct hacking >>> of PII databases a growing problem, but also misuse of data released to >>> outside entities. You would think they'd notice the problems Facebook is in >>> with poor handling of PII (for which FB also had assurances of integrity >>> control...that didn't work out so well for them). >>> >>> The NSS has assured everyone the data is secure, but there's no way to >>> ensure that. >>> >>> I wonder if the NSS can afford (or even has contemplated the issue/risk) >>> to buy everyone identity theft protection if the data escapes the controls? >>> I wonder if the contractor agreement included a requirement they would bear >>> that expense in a data breach. If such an event is on the NSS, that would >>> cost vastly more money and members than anything they ever could gain from >>> this exercise. >>> >>> Stephen >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 7/19/2018 15:36, Charles Goldsmith wrote: >>> >>> I agree, this was not handled very well at all. Since we did not agree >>> to this, how does this fall under the Do-Not-Call registry, from the FCC's >>> perspective? >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 4:04 PM Stephen Fleming <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> It is a marketing thing authorized by the NSS. >>>> >>>> The NSS says it is costing the organization no money and the contractor >>>> funds the effort from sales of the rather pricey merchandise. >>>> >>>> However, the NSS will get a cut of proceeds: "This is NOT a >>>> significant fund raiser for NSS, thought [sic] we do get a small commission >>>> on sales." >>>> >>>> The percentage of return is not stated, and the postcard is >>>> disingenuous in not revealing this financial arrangement. You have to >>>> search the NSS website to find that tidbit. >>>> >>>> Regardless, I won't be calling or participating; the NSS knows how to >>>> contact me and they already have everything they need to know. >>>> >>>> Allen's listing of the questions asked goes way beyond basic caver info >>>> and seeks information the NSS has no business collecting. >>>> >>>> I put this thing in the same category as telemarketers. Unwelcome and >>>> not tolerated. >>>> >>>> I did not opt-in for the NSS to release my contact information, even to >>>> a contractor, for such a use. The fact that I can decide not to participate >>>> pales beside the NSS misusing my personal data. >>>> >>>> Stephen >>>> 13727 RL FE >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 7/19/2018 14:25, Steve Peerman wrote: >>>> >>>> Allen, >>>> It’s not a scam, but you are under no obligation to buy the product >>>> that they are making. It is supposed to be an NSS directory of all NSS >>>> members past and present. I submitted my information, but I didn’t buy the >>>> book. It seems rather pricey to me. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jul 19, 2018, at 2:22 PM, Allen <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hey all, >>>> Just received a postcard from some publishing company about the NSS >>>> members manual. Anyone else receive one? Its a yellow postcard with the >>>> NSS logo on it. It has a title of "Verification of caver data" in all caps, >>>> and a Po Box in Dallas Tx. >>>> >>>> I called the number on the card and the phone operator started asking >>>> some odd questions about place of employment, phone numbers, email, marital >>>> status, name of spouse, name of kids, grotto affiliation. Then at the end >>>> they want you to send them a color picture of yourself, a bill would then >>>> be sent out for two payments of $50 for the hard bound book. Or because I >>>> am a member, would bundle a sweatshirt, and book bag, and a digital copy, >>>> for two payments of $75... I didn't provide much info, but started >>>> questioning it by the end. >>>> >>>> Anyone know anything about this? Is it a scam? 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