Re: [Therion] Vertical scalebar created by Juraj Halama added to wiki

[Markus Boldt]

https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/metapost?s[]=vertical&s[]=scalebar
almost at the bottom


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Cool, do you have a link? :)

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> Vertical scalebar created by Juraj Halama added to wiki
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Re: [Therion] Command extend

[Markus Boldt]

Thank you Benedikt! 

 

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Yes, you are right.





Am 06.09.2020 um 12:58 schrieb Markus Boldt :



Hi all, 

the command „extend“ comes in the loop centerline / endcenterline in the 
TH-File – right? 

Best 

Markus

 

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[Therion] Command extend

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Hi all,

the command "extend" comes in the loop centerline / endcenterline in the
TH-File - right?

Best

Markus



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[Therion] Staion point should not go to the calculated lenght of the cave

[Markus Boldt]

Hi,

hopefully someone can give me an idea, what I have to do in therion, when I
have a point station, which should not go to the calculated length of the
cave. But this point station should shown in the

In my sample there is a doline in the near of my cave entrance with a point
station.

Thanks!

Best

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Re: [Therion] Detecting errors

[Markus Boldt]

Hi Martin,

in Ebensee I have asked you, if this part is buyable. Is it? And when where.


Best regards

Markus



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5. 9. 2019 v 13:10, Max D :



So I know that if the display is to the right the Disto tends to reassure an
Azimuth 2 degrees to high and if the display is to the left.

And when the display is to the left it tends to give an Azimuth 1 degree to
low.





The main source of error could be misaligned back side of Disto with station
point especially together with short distance to measured station. There is
a way to reduce this error to minimum when the back extension aligned with
laser beam of the Disto is used.



Martin





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Re: [Therion] Karst3D database, a quick overview.

[Markus Boldt]

Dear Phil, in fact it is a good Idea and a great work. But...

But there are some evident problems, if I would give you "my" data from "our" 
caves - for example. There are often at some projects a lot of surveyors over 
the years. So I have to ask them all. In germany the data are archieved until 
now in so called "Kataster". Every karst region has one. There is a person 
(mostly some) who has the confidence of all cavers in the particular region. 
There is an agreement that I am (or my collegues) not allowed to give that data 
to an public institution so that these data will be very public in the future. 
Only cavers (or caverclubs) who are working for the "Kataster" have an access 
to these data. And additionally to that there are some Clubs in germany who do 
there data to the Kataster but it is not really seeable for other users 
(Keyword: Competition) . You write that is also possible at your website but 
only maximum 5 years. 

Our Kataster is working with "Spelix" since two years now. This program is made 
from a caver from austria. All the possibilities I have seen until now in your 
release and more are implemented in that program. But not reachable for the 
public. 

The risk of your site is that everyone will have informations from the caves 
and so the numbers of visits to the caves will increase, I think. 

And please there are often "so called" cavers (often from clubs also) who are 
taking so such informations, to go in caves during holidays without having 
contact to the cavers from that region. 

That is not what we want for our caves because it is an extremely sensitive 
environment. 

This comment is from me personnel. Others in Germany may have another opinion. 

Please take it only as an information and be not angry about that (do a look to 
my first sentence). 

best regards 

Markus

 

Von: Therion [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] Im Auftrag von Philippe Vernant
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Betreff: [Therion] Karst3D database, a quick overview.

 

Hi guys,

 

We’ve just launched a database to archive cave survey data. Our database relies 
a lot on Therion, and I’d like to thank the developers for their great job! I’d 
like to do the same for the developer of Cave View !

 

This is a big beta release and we hope to make it better with more option in 
the future (DEM, statistical analysis of the karst network, etc.): 
https://data.oreme.org/observation/karst3d 

 

I’d be happy to have your feedback, specially if you decide to upload some 
data. We’ve chosen to have the opportunity of an embargo time before releasing 
the data, you can choose between 0 and 5 years, but since it is a public 
university we have to make the data archived public a some point. But the 3D 
view will be online soon after you upload the data.

 

Here is a short tutorial on how to visualize several caves at the same time.

 

Looking forward to have your feedback.

 

Phil

 

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[Therion] Excuse this question...

[Markus Boldt]

. because it was a theme once before. And I know there is a way.

How was the way to get a top-File for pockettopo from a th-file and a
th2-file from Therion?

Greetings

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Re: [Therion] Calculation of LRUD from splays

[Markus Boldt]

Hi Tarquin, 
thanks for that very fast answer. 
And it looks like it will help. 
My Idea is to get "forgotten LRUD-Data by measuring in the cave" that I can do 
they into the Data-list of the scraps in Therion. I hope to get a better 
Loch-Modell with this additional data. 
Markus

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Hi Markus

Don't worry, your English is fine :)

Not sure why you would want to remove the useful splays, and replace them with 
limited LRUDs, but I assume you have a reason.

> is there a possibility to calculate LRUD-Data from splays? It would be 
> nice, if you have not measured LRUD at the point in the cave, but only 
> splays for drawing.


If you are starting with (simple) Survex files or PocketTopo data, Cave 
Converter can create LRUD data, and turn it into "passage" blocks (which are 
basically just LRUD data). It does it by taking the largest splay that appears 
to be perpendicular-ish to the passage, and works out its perpendicular size.

However, it is only an approximation, and it is not perfect. It also only 
understands simple Survex files or PocketTopo data - it cannot cope with 
Therion files. It cannot cope with data containing "data nosurvey", so you must 
use only the default "data normal". It also removes anything that it doesn't 
understand, so you lose your fixes and entrances.

But maybe it is useful enough for your needs:
http://wscc.darkgem.com/caveconverter/

Hope this helps,

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[Therion] Calculation of LRUD from splays

[Markus Boldt]

Hello,

is there a possibility to calculate LRUD-Data from splays? It would be nice,
if you have not measured LRUD at the point in the cave, but only splays for
drawing.

I hope you understand my terrible English J.

Greetings

Markus



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Re: [Therion] Topodroid import

[Markus Boldt via Therion]

Hi Wookey, 
I guess, this "problem" is better lifted to the topodroid-list or rather
directly to Marco. Because to change the resolution of lines is better made
before exporting to therion. Of course it`s my opinion. 
Greetings 
Markus

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On 2018-11-12 10:02 +0100, Evaristo Quiroga via Therion wrote:
> Hi Wookey,
> 
> Yours problems with the high density line segments are from the 
> Setting selection.
> 
> In "Settings/Sketching/Lines/Lines style" you can select the  segment 
> density type (Fine, Normal or Coarse). But it's better to use the Bezier
option.

OK, thanks, that's good to know. I'll pass it on to the user in question
(who may or may not have got round to joining this list already).

But if someone has done a survey like that (or maybe a whole
expeditions-worth) then they would still like a reasonably easy way to
convert it/them back to manageable lines. So I think the original question
still stands: can we have a way to select more than one line at a time for
such processing in xtherion. Or perhaps decide that the 'fine' setting in
topodroid is no practical use, or should at least be advised against. What
is the default setting for line segment density?


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Re: [Therion] extention at the rear of the Distox

[Markus Boldt via Therion]

Oh, that`s very good Bruce, thanks a lot! 

Markus

 

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Betreff: [Therion] extention at the rear of the Distox

 

Markus

You might find the attached quick reference sheet helpful.

 

Regarding adjustment of measurements in Therion, if you happen to have 
uncorrected disto measurements, you can use the calibrate statement to amend 
all measurements in a particular survey with a single short line.

 

calibrate   [] ▷ set the instrument 
calibration. The measured value is calculated using the following formula: 
measured value = (read value - zero error) × scale. The supported quantities 
are the same as sd.  ie length, tape, bearing, compass, gradient, clino, 
counter, depth, x, y, z, position, easting, dx, northing, dy, altitude, dz

 

Bruce

 

From: Therion  On Behalf Of Martin Sluka via Therion
Sent: Wednesday, 29 August 2018 01:16
To: List for Therion users 
Cc: Martin Sluka 
Subject: Re: [Therion] extention at the rear of the Distox

 

Device Information

The FUNC key can be used to show a sequence of information screens. FUNC key in 
idle

mode shows the first screen. FUNC again navigates from one screen to the next. 
Use the

SMART key to return to the previous screen.

Screen 4: Endpiece Offset

Shows the actual endpiece offset in mm (-128 - 127).

To change the level first press the PLUS and MINUS keys for 2 seconds to allow 
editing.

Then press the PLUS or MINUS key to change the value.

Changing the offset is useful for self-made endpieces or other cases where a 
non-standard

reference is used.

 

M.

 

 

28. 8. 2018 v 14:48, Markus Boldt via Therion :

 

Hi, 

Evaristo and Martin have showed extentions for the Distox. It is a very good 
Idea. But what is with the so extended length of the distance? Must I change 
all measurings by hand in the list of Pockettopo or Topodroid or is there a 
possibility to “say” that to the distox by default? 

Thanks for the answers. 

Regards 

Markus 

 

BTW: The meeting at Ebensee was very good and interesting for me as a “only” 
user. 

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[Therion] extention at the rear of the Distox

[Markus Boldt via Therion]

Hi, 

Evaristo and Martin have showed extentions for the Distox. It is a very good
Idea. But what is with the so extended length of the distance? Must I change
all measurings by hand in the list of Pockettopo or Topodroid or is there a
possibility to "say" that to the distox by default? 

Thanks for the answers. 

Regards 

Markus 

 

BTW: The meeting at Ebensee was very good and interesting for me as a "only"
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Re: [Therion] Fix station point using only 2D

[Markus Boldt via Therion]

Hi Adam, "normally" you have coordinates of your radio location point at the 
surface from GPS. You know, I do so. What a kind of coordinates you have? Give 
them simply a thought depth for example.
Best regards to Poland and greetings to Agnieska :-).
Markus 

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Betreff: [Therion] Fix station point using only 2D

Hi all,

How to 'fix' the survey station point (to morph the cave plan) having
only 2D coordinates?

Using the radiolocation we get (with quite good accuracy) the station
point position which is about 150m beyond the estimated location we
get from surveying. So now I wanted to use this position to make a
correction to the main polygon. But the 'fix' command need a 3D coords
so how should I do that (no, there is no point to measure the depth by
radiolocation by some reasons).

Thanks in an advice,
Adam
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[Therion] from therion back to topodroid?

[Markus Boldt via Therion]

Hi, 

is there a possibility to get a topodroid-file from therion? 

Markus 

 

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Re: [Therion] Page Size

[Markus Boldt via Therion]

Dear Bruce, 

thank you very much for your detailed explanations. 

After your explanations I resume for me, I modify the size of the ready map
in or with the program which I use for making my publication. That I have
also done in the past. I have thought there could/must be a possibility
directly in Therion. What a shame..

Markus

 

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Betreff: [Therion] Page Size

 

Hi Markus

Yes, but with limitations.

If you export map -f pdf, then you can indirectly influence the page size by
adjusting the scale and where you place the header.  Not as precise as you
are wanting.

If you export atlas -f pdf, then you can precisely specify the page size, as
you have been attempting.  The cave is then distributed across as many pages
as is required.  Disadvantages are that you cannot place headers and other
objects on the pages.

 

Have a look https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/bds where there is some
information.

 

"A map output (not to be confused with a map object) is contained on a
single 'page' and the size of the page is automatically made big enough to
fit the cave by the software. A number of formats are supported but pdf
seems to be the most comprehensive. Pdf maps can include graphics such as
photos, logos, other pdf files or previously created cave maps.

An atlas output cuts the cave up to fit a user defined 'paper size' and adds
a navigation pane. Hyperlinks in the navigation pane and at the page edges
facilitate rapid navigation. If multiple maps are selected in the thconfig
file, then chapters are automatically created separating the maps. These may
be different caves or different levels in the cave - with hyperlinks to
navigate between different levels. Only pdf format is supported. Inserted
graphic images are NOT supported."

Also https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/templates#atlas_specific which contains
some useful atlas paper size layouts.

 

Bruce

 

From: Therion  On Behalf Of Markus Boldt via
Therion
Sent: Sunday, 1 July 2018 23:02

Hello, 

how is it possible to "say" Therion to make a PDF-File with for example a
Size of DIN A4 (21 x 29,7 cm)? 

I have tried 

Page-setup 21 29.7 20 29 0.1 0.1 cm 

it doesn`t work 

I have tried 

Size 21 29.7 cm 

It doesn`t, too 

The command is ignored.

Greetings 

Markus 

 

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[Therion] Page Size

[Markus Boldt via Therion]

Hello, 

how is it possible to "say" Therion to make a PDF-File with for example a
Size of DIN A4 (21 x 29,7 cm)? 

I have tried 

Page-setup 21 29.7 20 29 0.1 0.1 cm 

it doesn`t work 

I have tried 

Size 21 29.7 cm 

It doesn`t, too 

The command is ignored.

Greetings 

Markus 

 

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Re: [Therion] Problems with KML-File and PDF-Display

[Markus Boldt via Therion]

Dear Martin, 

heartily thank you! 

Now I have for the first what I need. J

Will that problem in therion fixed in one of the next updates? 

 

And now the answer on your second mail: 

Ok, so it looks like it is/was a selfmade problem not a problem coming from
Therion with the drawing of "my" areas. 

But I don`t understand the problem anyway. Because I give Therion some data
in the th-file and the drawing in the th2-file. 

There are one fixed point (1.0) and to legs to wb1.1 and wb1.2. The other
fixed points (GPS.) are only fixed points. Now, when I draw the point wb1.1
as a corner from an area and the same with point wb1.2. I would think that
it is now a simple compiling for Therion. But it looks like it is not. And
that`s what I don`t understand. 

Greetings 

Markus

 

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Betreff: Re: [Therion] Problems with KML-File and PDF-Display

 

It looks there is a problem in kml generation from Therion, because in the
way it generated it only first polyline is displayed. When I added manually
the same tags for second polyline it looks OK.

 

This file works:

 



http://earth.google.com/kml/2.0";>



 <PolyStyle> <fill>1</fill> <outline>0</outline>
</PolyStyle> 

 <IconStyle> <Icon>
<href><a  rel="nofollow" href="https://therion.speleo.sk/downloads/KmlIconEntrance.png">https://therion.speleo.sk/downloads/KmlIconEntrance.png</a>
<<a  rel="nofollow" href="https://therion.speleo.sk/downloads/KmlIconEntrance.png%3c/href%3e">https://therion.speleo.sk/downloads/KmlIconEntrance.png%3c/href%3e</a>> </href>
</Icon> <hotSpot x="0.5" y="0" xunits="fraction" yunits="fraction" />
</IconStyle> 

 https://therion.speleo.sk/downloads/KmlIconMap.png
<https://therion.speleo.sk/downloads/KmlIconMap.png%3c/href%3e> 








#ThMapStyle



 <PolyStyle> <color>bfcc</color> </PolyStyle> 











9.74555418324174,48.43749514571515,0.00
9.74560345525943,48.43749822300868,0.00
9.74564409921618,48.43745320641083,0.00
9.74556506923348,48.43740786691496,0.00 















#ThMapStyle

 <PolyStyle> <color>bfcc</color> </PolyStyle> 











9.74479382219246,48.43768823902057,0.00
9.74488546711236,48.43766713250446,0.00
9.74486108946851,48.43763413167048,0.00
9.74477263206030,48.43766347610486,0.00 

















 

Martin S.

 

25. 6. 2018 v 15:38, Markus Boldt via Therion :





Hello,

I have some Problems with a "spezial" presentation. I need that presentation
as overlay Google-Earth (KML).

The PDF works but there is another displaying of the right part in the PDF
as in the drawing (th2-File). The "walls" respectively the area is moved

In the KML-File the right part of the drawing is completely missing.

What is happening? I don`t see the fault.

Can anyone help me please.

Greetings

Markus

 

Necessary Files attached

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Re: [Therion] Line mark?

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Thanks Martin! 

Often used but wrong in mind…

Markus

 

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:0 is parameter of object and line object is your string without :0. So the :0 
must be at the end of that object. 

 

Martin S. 

Odesláno z iPhonu


17. 6. 2018 v 0:37, Markus Boldt via Therion :

Hi, 

what means the error:

line mark not a keyword -- scrap-21-Wand-L-ob:0@Steeb-GS-01

when I use the join-command? 

Regards 

Markus

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[Therion] Line mark?

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Hi, 

what means the error:

line mark not a keyword -- scrap-21-Wand-L-ob:0@Steeb-GS-01

when I use the join-command? 

Regards 

Markus

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Re: [Therion] needed double shot - exclude from cave length

[Markus Boldt via Therion]

Thanks to you both! 

Markus

 

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flags duplicate

data

flags not duplicate

 

Martin S.

 

11. 6. 2018 v 14:12, Markus Boldt via Therion :





Hello,

if I have a leg where I need to separate shots (from the one point I don`t
reach a continuative part) and I want to exclude the one from the
calculation of the cave-length. What have I to write in my .th-File in the
data-lines to exclude it from the calculation of the length but not from the
centerline?

I think it is simple, but I have found no idea in the wiki.

Regards

Markus

 

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[Therion] needed double shot - exclude from cave length

[Markus Boldt via Therion]

Hello, 

if I have a leg where I need to separate shots (from the one point I don`t
reach a continuative part) and I want to exclude the one from the
calculation of the cave-length. What have I to write in my .th-File in the
data-lines to exclude it from the calculation of the length but not from the
centerline? 

I think it is simple, but I have found no idea in the wiki. 

Regards 

Markus 

 

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Re: [Therion] 'can't read "xth(me, cmds, ....": no such element in array' errors

[Markus Boldt via Therion]

Hi, 

Rodrigo, 

if I do a look on your file with an simple editor (Windows), then it looks very 
other as all my own th2-files. In you file is written all in 3 lines. 

And I think that is the problem in generally. Your file is not really readable 
for Therion. I`am using Therion 5.4.1 on Windows 7 prof. 

This file looks like it is coming from Topodroid without compiling it to 
therion-format, if I`am right. 

Regards 

Markus

 

My th2-Files looks like this (a part of a file: 

encoding  utf-8

##XTHERION## xth_me_area_adjust -138.0 -138.0 1545.322834645669 1838.0

##XTHERION## xth_me_area_zoom_to 40

##XTHERION## xth_me_image_insert {234.64566929133855 1 1.0} {174.8031496062992 
1.0} Farrenwiesschacht-alles_p.xvi 0 {}

##XTHERION## xth_me_image_insert {349.60629921259834 1 1.0} {1701.2913385826766 
1.0} Farrenwiesschacht-alles_e.xvi 0 {}

 

scrap scrap1 -projection plan -scale [-128.0 -128.0 1545.322834645669 -128.0 
0.0 0.0 42.502399 0.0 m]

 

line gradient

  137.0 82.0

  203.0 89.0 323.0 243.0 323.0 243.0

  smooth off

endline

 

line gradient

  108.0 125.0

  179.0 121.0 308.0 244.0 308.0 244.0

  smooth off

endline

 

line gradient

  91.0 166.0

  161.0 155.0 308.0 259.0 308.0 259.0

  smooth off

endline

 

line gradient

  85.0 213.0

  147.0 216.0 275.0 251.0 275.0 251.0

  smooth off

endline

.

.

.

.

.

endscrap

 

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errors

 

Hi,

 

 

I trying to work in a topo I make recently. One of the sketches got way bigger 
than it should and is presenting errors like:

 

can't read "xth(me,cmds,5,18,x)": no such element in array

 

I already reduced the file to something really small and I still get these 
errors most of the times I try to open it.

 

Any ideas on what could be the cause?

 

I send attached both a small version of the sketch that presents the error and 
the complete log of the error.

 

 

Regards,

 

Rodrigo

 

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Ok, Torsten, thanks a lot! 

Now I have found “the problem”. The text-command must be outside 
Layout-Endlayout J. 

It is iso8859-1 but that is standard by my files J. 

But may be I come back to your offer. 

Regards 

Markus

 

 

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Hi Markus

Of course you can:

torsten.schnit...@netcologne.de

Concerning German words with ä, ö and ü you have to change your config file 
from utf to iso-... (can‘t remember the correct number) format. 

Cheers,

Torsten 


Am 30.12.2017 um 14:43 schrieb Markus Boldt via Therion :

Hi Torsten, 

If I do so as you and Henry describe I get the error: unknown option -- text de 
"Geländer" "Transportbahn". Because of the german sign, I have tried it with 
all in english: 

Language en

Text en “handrail” “Transportbahn” or text en “line handrail” “Transportbahn” 
or text en “line handrail” “line Transportbahn”. Nothing works. 

And I don`t find the subdir thlang in my installation. So I have renewed it but 
ther e is still no subdir thlang. 

Sometimes Therion is exasperating L. 

Regards 

Markus 

PS. Is it possible to send the “Cave” to you directly? Then it works probably 
and the conversation is in german J Then need you email. 

 

 

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Hi Markus

Changing text in legend should work with (in your config file):

Text en „line handrail“ „text you want“

 „En“ is depending on your choice of language. May be you are using „de“!?

Cheers,

Torsten


Am 30.12.2017 um 12:59 schrieb Markus Boldt via Therion :

Hi Martin, 

looks like a good Idea. But if I change Symbol set to SKBB I get:

for handrail L. 

I have in my config-file: 

symbol-set UIS

symbol-assign line handrail SKBB

If I comment the second line out and do the first line to SKBB I get the same 
result. 

 

And the next thing is: I get in the legend the word “Handrail” (Gelaender) but 
it is in reality a “hauling track” (Transportbahn). Where or how can I change 
the text in the legend for example? 

 

 

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29. 12. 2017 v 19:55, Markus Boldt via Therion :

 

hauling Track

 

SKBB symbol set:

 



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Hi Torsten, 

If I do so as you and Henry describe I get the error: unknown option -- text de 
"Geländer" "Transportbahn". Because of the german sign, I have tried it with 
all in english: 

Language en

Text en “handrail” “Transportbahn” or text en “line handrail” “Transportbahn” 
or text en “line handrail” “line Transportbahn”. Nothing works. 

And I don`t find the subdir thlang in my installation. So I have renewed it but 
ther e is still no subdir thlang. 

Sometimes Therion is exasperating L. 

Regards 

Markus 

PS. Is it possible to send the “Cave” to you directly? Then it works probably 
and the conversation is in german J Then need you email. 

 

 

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Hi Markus

Changing text in legend should work with (in your config file):

Text en „line handrail“ „text you want“

 „En“ is depending on your choice of language. May be you are using „de“!?

Cheers,

Torsten


Am 30.12.2017 um 12:59 schrieb Markus Boldt via Therion :

Hi Martin, 

looks like a good Idea. But if I change Symbol set to SKBB I get:

for handrail L. 

I have in my config-file: 

symbol-set UIS

symbol-assign line handrail SKBB

If I comment the second line out and do the first line to SKBB I get the same 
result. 

 

And the next thing is: I get in the legend the word “Handrail” (Gelaender) but 
it is in reality a “hauling track” (Transportbahn). Where or how can I change 
the text in the legend for example? 

 

 

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29. 12. 2017 v 19:55, Markus Boldt via Therion :

 

hauling Track

 

SKBB symbol set:

 



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Re: [Therion] Line Hauling Track

[Markus Boldt via Therion]

Hi Martin, 

looks like a good Idea. But if I change Symbol set to SKBB I get:

for handrail L. 

I have in my config-file: 

symbol-set UIS

symbol-assign line handrail SKBB

If I comment the second line out and do the first line to SKBB I get the
same result. 

 

And the next thing is: I get in the legend the word "Handrail" (Gelaender)
but it is in reality a "hauling track" (Transportbahn). Where or how can I
change the text in the legend for example? 

 

 

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29. 12. 2017 v 19:55, Markus Boldt via Therion :

 

hauling Track

 

SKBB symbol set:

 



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[Therion] Line Hauling Track

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I would like to have a line "hauling Track" in Therion J. Is there a
possibility? 

Regards 

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[Therion] once more area blocks

[Markus Boldt via Therion]

Yes, I have found the possibility (symbol-color area blocks [xx xx xx]), but
it affected only to the blocks. What I want to have is a completely other
colored area with blocks in it. So in this area must be a change to the
background-color, I guess. But how? 

Regards 

Markus 

 

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[Therion] Color for area blocks?

[Markus Boldt via Therion]

Hi, 

is there a possibility to give an "area blocks" another color as the
forground-colour? Like it is possible for area water with metapost. 

Regards 

Markus 

 

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Re: [Therion] DXF output

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Hi Ben, 

is it right - you give the lenght in meters? Then the distance from point to
point is very long? A huge cave? There are Kilometers by some mesurements?

Regards 

Markus

 

 

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I'm struggling to output a DXF format map and model from Therion.  I've
found that the map export does not load into two different DXF viewers, both
giving no errors but showing nothing.  The model output works, but is
100-times too small (ie the default unit appears to be cm rather than m).
Can anyone provide any advice what I might be doing wrong?

Many thanks,

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Re: [Therion] How to do better join from scraps in different .th2

[Markus Boldt via Therion]

I think so. Otherwise all lenghten are added to the centerline. 

Or I am wrong? 

Markus

 

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Exactly.

 

Is it necessary to comment splay shots?

 

ms

 

 

4. 10. 2017 v 20:30, Adam Sampson via Therion :

 

map 2014_10_25_1map

  2014_10_25_surv1_scrap1

  bbr1_scrap2

  bbr1_scrap3

  bbr1_scrap4

  bbr1_scrap5

endmap

 

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Re: [Therion] Area "filled" (Markus Boldt)

[Markus Boldt via Therion]

Thanks to all for helping and for the needed metapost code. Now I seem I get
the way. 

@Dave: Until now I have done like you say. For the first it was enough. But
for now and the future it looks very better in presentations e.g.. J

Many greetings 

Markus 

 

 

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Markus, instead of going to the trouble of creating complex code to include
this fill symbol in a legend box, why don't you just add a label to your
map. It seems you are making it too complicated for something which will not
occur often.

 

Dave Clucas
 <mailto:daveclu...@icloud.com> dave.clu...@icloud.com

Exploring the World - One cave at a time

 

On 14 Sep 2017, at 08:05, therion-requ...@speleo.sk wrote:

 

Re: Area "filled" (Bruce Mutton)

 

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Re: [Therion] Area "filled"

[Markus Boldt via Therion]

Thank you Bruce. 

Yes, I`am searching for this code. And in the Sample (the map of Prosiecka 
cave) from Martin it is used from the drawer named on the map as Juraj Szunyog. 
Is he on the list? Or where can I get a Copy of the used config-file for that 
cave or only the related code. Please, I should have it until Friday-night 
because of making a talk at Saturday. 

Markus

 

 

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Markus is looking for the code for this particular user defined symbol I think.

 

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Subject: Re: [Therion] Area "filled"

 

Please, what it means "fill in part“?

 

They are user defined symbols.

 

Martin

 

13. 9. 2017 v 14:35, Markus Boldt via Therion :

 

Yes Martin, that`s it. But how get I now the box “fill in Part” with this nice 
color in the Legend and how do I tell the drawing that this area is a “fill in 
part”? 

Markus

 

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Check this link, it is exactly what you want, I think:

 

 <http://schv.sk/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/1_o3_dlayout_en.pdf> 
http://schv.sk/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/1_o3_dlayout_en.pdf

 

m.s.

 

 

13. 9. 2017 v 9:25, Markus Boldt via Therion < <mailto:therion@speleo.sk> 
therion@speleo.sk>:

 

Hello, 

is there a possibility in Therion to get a signature for an area „filled“, 
„refilled“ or something similar? Background is, we have dug in a cave and by 
digging we have filled a small chamber. 

Greatings

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Re: [Therion] Area "filled"

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Yes Martin, that`s it. But how get I now the box “fill in Part” with this nice 
color in the Legend and how do I tell the drawing that this area is a “fill in 
part”? 

Markus

 

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Check this link, it is exactly what you want, I think:

 

http://schv.sk/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/1_o3_dlayout_en.pdf

 

m.s.

 

 

13. 9. 2017 v 9:25, Markus Boldt via Therion :

 

Hello, 

is there a possibility in Therion to get a signature for an area „filled“, 
„refilled“ or something similar? Background is, we have dug in a cave and by 
digging we have filled a small chamber. 

Greatings

Markus

 

 

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[Therion] Area "filled"

[Markus Boldt via Therion]

Hello, 

is there a possibility in Therion to get a signature for an area "filled",
"refilled" or something similar? Background is, we have dug in a cave and by
digging we have filled a small chamber. 

Greatings

Markus

 

 

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Re: [Therion] same color for several scraps

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Hi Phil, 
I think, you must specify -colour map-fg [0 70 0] (for scraps and "map-bg" for 
the "paper"). As it is done in the loop Layout - endlayout of the config-file. 
But I`am not sure
Regards 
Markus


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Hi guys,

I’m trying the option [color] or [colour] to specify the same color for 
different scraps and it is not working. I have therion 5.4.0 compiled on Mac OS.

Here what I use :

 map m1p -projection plan -color [0 70 0]

   baign-p1
   baign-p2
   pend-p1
   gphal-p2
   gphal-p4
   gphal-p3
 endmap

end the error message is :
therion: error -- maplist.th [3] -- unknown option -- -color

Any clue ?

Thanks,
Phil

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[Therion] Cavedepth

[Markus Boldt]

Hi Torsten, 
only a question...
Do you have a fixed point for the entrance with a "depth" to your series of
scraps? 
May be there is the fault. 
Regards 
Markus

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Hi

I have a question about "cavedepth" and propbably need some help as I can't
figure out the problem.

My complete survey is about underwater cave passages.
Therfore I have an option inside every survey and centerline which is
"calibrate depth 0 -1".
All survey are with "data diving station depth left right up  down newline
tape compass".
And every depth is with positive numbers like 5.3 then which means -5.3m of
waterdepth.
Lowest number all over all surveys is 0.0.
Biggest number is 24.1.

Every scrap contains all the survey stations within this part of the cave as
a "point station".
So in the end I have every surveyed station inside the scraps.

When I print the map as a pdf file (with all the scraps) I don't get the
right number for Depth.
With numbers as above I would expect a cave depth of 24m but I get 22m.

Of course I can do an override with "\cavedepth{24\thinspace{}m}".
But this is not what I want to.

So can anyone explain please why I don't get the correct number for
cavedepth in the map header?
Thanks!

cheers,
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[Therion] What means that or where is the fault?

[Markus Boldt]

Hi Footleg, 

Before the new installation, I have deleted all from Survex and Therion not 
only from “Uninstall” but by hand and then I have made a new Download of 
Survex and Therion. So I think (hope) I have got compatible Versions. 



Current Versions are: 

Therion: 5.3.16

Survex: Aven 1.2.26

OS: (as red from Aven) Windows 7 (build 7601, Service Pack 1), 64-bit edition

wxWidgets 3.0.2 



I have no idea on all that stuff… As far as possible I`am only a user… and 
often quiet stupid… Areas….

I hope there is someone with an Idea. 

Thanks. 

Markus  



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Or possibly you have incompatible versions of Therion and Survex installed? 
Make sure you have a recent Survex version for the current Therion, or Survex 
is called by Therion to produce a file which Therion is not able to read 
(because the format changed in the Survex output).



Footleg



On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 3:47 PM Martin Sluka  wrote:




On Feb 20, 2016, at 03:03 PM, Markus Boldt  wrote:

After compiling I get the error “warning -- can't open cavern log file for 
input”. Therion works well, but there is this error. 

What is wrong?



Cavern is part of Survex. It looks there is problem with user rights there.



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[Therion] What means that or where is the fault?

[Markus Boldt]

After compiling I get the error “warning -- can't open cavern log file for 
input”. Therion works well, but there is this error. 

What is wrong? 

And after doing the “Vladimir-Chances” into the INI and TCL file the Colors 
are working. But drawing an area is not further working? I can not define the 
points for the area. 

What is here wrong? 

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[Therion] XTherion modifications

[Markus Boldt]

Hi Vladimir, 

I say the same as Bruce. Perhaps I already more a user as Bruce and so you will 
get no answers from me too. Excuse! 

But I want to know: 

If I want to use this advantage must I only copy the changes in die INI.file? 
But in witch INI-File? 

Please do a look to the attachment. There are 4 INI-Files in my directory. 

And then simply added that to the end of the file? And I think without the CR 
– or is that equal? 

Greeting and many thanks for that work! 

Markus 







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Hi all

There are some modifications that I made to the XTherion and would be 
interested if someone can test them and share their opinion. They were quickly 
patched up and I am no TCL developer so there might be a bug or two.

Initially I needed to have an XTherion shortcut to delete a line point so I 
started looking through the source. I added Ctrl+Shift+D for deleting a line 
point, Ctrl+Up/Down for zooming in and out in the map editor.

The all blue items in the map editor were harder to use so I tried to colorize 
them. E.g. walls to be "brick red", pits are magenta, rock borders dark gray, 
slope is yellow, etc. The non-selected scrap is light gray.
The station point I made orange and a triangle instead of a circle so it is 
more visible.

I will probably add other colors after I work with the editor more.



I have attached a couple of screenshots of how it looks, the xtherion source 
and the "compiled" xtherion tcl app.

Btw, where does the source live, besides the zip archive on the site? Is there 
a source control repo somewhere that people can contribute to?

For experimenting with the colors I used a private git repo. I admit I haven't 
checked the licensing for the code.



Here are the colors that I changed and added them to the INI file.

#set xth(gui,me,activefill) red
#set xth(gui,me,pasivefill) green
#set xth(gui,me,controlfill) blue
#set xth(gui,me,highlightfill) cyan
#set xth(gui,me,unselectedfill) lightgray
#set xth(gui,me,wallcolor) brown
#set xth(gui,me,pitcolor) magenta
#set xth(gui,me,slopecolor) gold
#set xth(gui,me,rockcolor) snow4
#set xth(gui,me,bordercolor) turquoise
#set xth(gui,me,stationcolor) darkorange



Best
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[Therion] Which line are LRUDs perpendicular to?

[Markus Boldt]

Hi, 

it is only a thinking..

If you began to servey a cave, you take your first LRUD-Data at the first
point. So it must be in a way that Therion estimate the LRUD-Data at the
point where they are taken from. 

If not, then the first (e.g. A1 to A2 would only exist as a traverse line
without definitions of the walls. 

Greetings 

Markus 





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Auftrag
von Bill Gee
Gesendet: Samstag, 12. Dezember 2015 15:47
An: List for Therion users
Betreff: [Therion] Which line are LRUDs perpendicular to?



Hello everyone -



The recent discussion about LRUDs brings up another question I have. Take
some example data ...





data normal from to tape compass clino backcompass backclino left right up
down



# Main survey shots

A1 A2 8.4 72.5 -52 252 +53 3 5 3 6

A2 A3 6.7 67 -10 248 +10 2.2 1 2 1.4

A3 A4 48.0 28 +2 208 -1.5 4 5 0.7 1.1





For each shot the LRUD data is taken at the "to" station. Does Therion
assume this data is perpendicular to the line going to the next station? Or
is it perpendicular to the line coming in from the previous station?



At station A2 - Does Therion treat the LRUD data as perpendicular to A1-A2
or as perpendicular to A2-A3?



Thanks - Bill Gee





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[Therion] Controlling map location on page

[Markus Boldt]

Hi Michael,
at the PDA try/use "Connection automatically". At my PDA it works good. It 
works, even if I shut off the PDA. After shut on and start PocketTopo again the 
connection will come automatically. (Asus 696)
regards
Markus

Von: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces at speleo.sk] Im 
Auftrag von Michael Perryman (External)
Gesendet: Samstag, 5. Dezember 2015 16:47
An: List for Therion users
Betreff: Re: [Therion] Controlling map location on page

Hi Andrew,

This is the result of my survey of the entrance part of Ogof Marros, data taken 
yesterday. It appears that the survey is just placed up at the top right corner 
of the page... it doesn't look too bad, but I was trying for some more control 
over its placing. Any suggestions?

For the surveyors names, I just noticed (see attached) that Antonia F is placed 
before Michael P, whatever our respective roles. If there are n names, it 
should be possible to specify whatever name order I choose, not in some 
automated way, surely? I couldn't fathom this possibility from the 
documentation.

I learned alot yesterday!  I came away with by far not enough splays, for 
example. My final survey station was about 20cm from the end of a scaffolding 
bar (yup, I suspected it was too close, but it's a whopping loose boulder 
choke, and packed with Scaff, so avoiding is easier said than done), and I 
didn't study how the bearing changed with proximity to the bar, but the final 
measured leg seems to be off by 90 degrees compared with my expectation! More 
experimentation - and survey legs - needed next time!

The water level was high again yesterday, and I suspect we will not be able to 
get through the streamway constriction until much longer periods of drier 
weather.

One other question you might help with: as we moved between survey stations I 
let my PDA go into sleep mode, primarily to save the display power (and hence 
battery). But the Bluetooth link with the Disto was lost each time, and I had 
to reconnect manually each time via >Menu >Bluetooth >Connect.  A pain. Should 
some auto connection be possible?

Thanks
Michael


On 05/12/2015 14:39, Andrew Atkinson wrote:

If possible, could you post the data, or if not the output, this will make it 
easier to see what you mean and suggest solutions.

Andrew
On 5 Dec 2015 14:30, "Michael Perryman" mailto:mac.perryman at gmail.com>> wrote:
I'm just starting with Therion. I have the same problem as a user back in 2012:
http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.therion/3066

When using "export map" my map is at the top right corner of the page, with 
much white space to left and bottom. I could not see a satisfactory resolution 
in the above thread, although I assume its possible (simple).

In the .th file I have defined:
 cs OSGB:SN
 fix 1.0   

and in a "layout definition" in the .th file I have tried some combinations 
along the lines of
cs OSGB:SN
origin    metres (or grid-origin...)

but without any success in moving the map in the output pdf

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[Therion] Unreal

[Markus Boldt]

A Plugin for Therion?



Von: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces at speleo.sk] Im 
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von Martin Sluka
Gesendet: Sonntag, 22. November 2015 14:33
An: List pro česky a slovensky mluvící uživatele programu Therion
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Way to go for caving?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOd0vMCRDD4



or ultimate method of documentation of real caves



:D



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[Therion] Best caving tablet

[Markus Boldt]

Hi,
I`am using an old Asus 696 PDA with Wmobil 6 and of course pockettopo. It works 
very well. Once I have lost the original pencil in the cave and I couldn`t find 
it anymore. It was not so easy, but the surveying on that day was made with my 
fingernail ☺. A replacement for the original was found quick and very cheap. 
BTW, I have now a second pencil in my small case and both have got a tiny hole 
for a thread.
Other members have tried out some android apps. But as I have seen (2014) there 
was no app which was able to  kalibrate/justify the DistoX. But that is not 
really a problem, I think.
Regards
Markus
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Betreff: [Therion] Best caving tablet

I posted this on cave chat.org but no replies:


So I'm awaiting shipment of my DistoX2. I've never used one before.

I am trying to figure out what the best tablet is to use with it. I am using 
Therion but I am new to that as well. I used to use Walls and before that On 
Station.

I have zero experience with paperless cave surveying. I have never used 
Pocketopo or Topodroid which makes it hard to decide between windows or 
android. Topodroid seems to be set up well for use with Therion, but again I 
have no idea; I've never used an android device only iPhone and iPad. I see the 
new ipad pro has a stylus - are there cave survey/disto apps that run on iPad?

A new windows surface pro3 tablet seems like a good idea but are there good 
waterproof cases?

Xperia Z4 tablet claims IP68 - can it handle a cave without a case? I can't 
seem to find any suitable rugged cases for it.

If price was not a factor what set up would you use?

Thanks

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[Therion] Therion tutorial

[Markus Boldt]

Hi Martin,
If it is possible, I would like to have the thconfig file witch you have used 
for that well looking plan. I’ am sure, I will learn a lot from that to make 
better plans with Therion.
I’ am more a learner by doing, so it would help ☺.
Regards
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7. 9. 2015 v 11:27, Footleg mailto:drfootleg at 
gmail.com>>:

I would welcome any feedback on this new revision.

I just checked Sumatra on MacOSX as Wine application made by WineBottler. It 
works well. The same with Notepad++. I’m not able to bottled PocketTopo only. 
If somebody may help with it, please.

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[Therion] Making potractors

[Markus Boldt]

I have printed it on a normal paper-sheet and then laminated with a "normal"
Laminator by my work. This "thing" has worked for some years. But we have
not so much surveyings in our Region. Once I have to make it new. But no
problem - it is so simple to make it. BTW - many thanks for that utily! 
Now in the time of DistoX I have never used the protractor. 
Greetings 
Markus


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An: Therion List
Betreff: [Therion] Making potractors

What is the best way to make therion potractors?

Years ago Martin S sent me some really nice robust ones. Ones I have tried
to make since (by printing onto acetate and laminating the
result) do not work well because my laminating sheets only stick to
themselves, not the protractor material, so it opens up at the baseline and
delaminates.

Is it possible to print on one side of a laminating sheet then put two
sheets through the laminator to encapsulate, or will my laminating sheet
just melt in the laser printer? Maybe that could be done, but printed in a
(cold) inkjet printer, so long as no water ever got in? 

There is also the matter of the correct 'floppiness/stiffness'.
MartinS were nice and stiff (but robust). Laminator/acetate ones are rather
floppy.

So, how does everyone else do it?

Also http://therion.speleo.sk/protractor/index.php only links to a
1:200 protractor. It would be useful to keep others available there and save
people editing the metafont.

Ah-ha - turns out that we have 1:250 and 1:500 versions carefully preserved
on the CUCC site! 
http://expo.survex.com/templates/therion1_250.pdf
http://expo.survex.com/templates/therion1_500.pdf
And there are some US-units ones online. Collecting them would be a useful
little task.

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[Therion] Turned through Angle Survey

[Markus Boldt]

Hi all, 
if you use a theodolite, you will have also an vertikal angle. So this is to 
calculate too. I would use Excel for the calculation - or not? To calculate the 
Data you have to write them in a table anyway. 
Greetings 
Markus 



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An: therion at speleo.sk
Betreff: [Therion] Turned through Angle Survey

Martin

I think Andrew is referring to a Total Station survey, though I presume that 
data from an old fashioned theodolite would look much the same. What he needs, 
I guess, is an automatic way of correcting (calibrating?) the horizontal angles 
with regard to North when the traverse is connected in to fixed points at 
either end.

Graham

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[Therion] How to mark a preferred way through a cave

[Markus Boldt]

Hi Michael, (in english so all can understand it, but not be angry about the 
poorness :-))
I know your project of "Fuchslabyrinth" and so I may say: for the future it 
will be the best Idea to draw the cave or the old bitmaps new. I know, it is 
very much work. But after you will have no Problems to add new parts and you 
will have all advantages of Therion. Assumed you have the old data of the 
centerline, that is clear. 
Some years ago, I have done the same with "Vetterhöhle" (2,5Km) and 
"Bärentalhöhle" (now 440m). The Vetterhöhle was drawn in AutoCad and that 
was a problem for me and others because of the very costy program and the use 
of it. The Bärentalhöhle was drawn simply with Tusche (is that the same word 
in English as in german?). 400m was not so much work, but enough. But today 
I`am lucky about that doing, because every year there comes some meters in 
addition. Drawing the Vetterhöhle in Therion was another thing, but at the end 
it was the best which someone can do. 
"Fuchslabyrinth" is very longer and so very more work, but in the end you will 
be lucky too. 
If you want, I can give you an offer: Give me the data and the corresponding 
bitmaps and I will help you part by part. So I have additionally an advantage; 
I don`t forget Therion :-)
Greetings 
Markus

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An: 'List for Therion users'
Betreff: [Therion] How to mark a preferred way through a cave

Michael
If I understand correctly Dave's suggestion of user defined lines will only 
work if you draw scraps, and I don't think that is what you are asking for 
(although drawing simple scraps with only station points and route lines to 
overlay your bitmaps might be your best solution).

I hesitate to suggest this, but if you don't mind using a nasty hack, you 
could, for example set...
flags approx
...on the route, and then redefine l_survey_cave to emphasise the approx 
centreline and make recessive other line flags.
An example of the sort of code you could use is here

http://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/doku.php/metapost?s[]=approx#general_symbol_ex
amples
"Visualize cave centreline shot flags with colour for splay and duplicate, and 
dash for approximate shot flags"

This will only work with pdf and probably svg outputs, and will have no effect 
on 3d outputs.

Bruce

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From: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] On Behalf 
Of Michael Wasmund
Sent: Monday, 25 May 2015 3:31 p.m.

Hello,

If I want to mark a preferred way through a maze cave, is there a way to "mark" 
or "flag" some centerlines, so that they appear different from the majority in 
2D / 3D output?
(Can't work with scraps, it's all bitmaps)

Michael.

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[Therion] >> data.mp

[Markus Boldt]

Hi, 
I have a question related the possibility to
change font sizes as given in Therion wiki with a
metapost-code. 
What have I done? 
In config-file I have written: 
code metapost
   def fonts_setup (expr t,s,m,l,h) =
write "\def\thstationname{\size[4]}" to
"mptexpre.tex"; 
write EOF to "mptexpre.tex";
   enddef;
   initialize(Scale);
   endcode

But I get this error: 
>> data.mp
>> data.mpx
! Unable to make mpx file.
l.6931 p_label(btex
\thlabel\thnormalsize
\vbox{\halign{\hfil#\hfil\cr\thfb\...
The two files given above are one of your source
files
and an auxiliary file I need to read to find out
what your
btex..etex blocks mean. If you don't know why I
had trouble,
try running it manually through MPtoTeX, TeX, and
DVItoMP

Then I have searched for that file called
"mptexpre.tex" But I havn`t found it. What is
wrong? 

Greetings and best eastern for you all! 
Markus 

PS. I use the Windows Installation 5.3.16 on
win2010

[Therion] german expression for depth-legend

[Markus Boldt]

Hi, 

ah, yes. Thanks! for that Information. 

Markus 





Von: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces at speleo.sk] Im 
Auftrag von Martin Sluka
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Betreff: Re: [Therion] german expression for depth-legend





6. 3. 2015 v 10:44, Markus Boldt :



Yes, I have. With a signature from Therion AND with the Altitude in 
fix-command. Why you are asking? Only for Info, or is there an important 
Information. 





Hi,



if there isn’t entrance definition Therion calculates altitude difference 
from bottom most or from upper most station.



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[Therion] german expression for depth-legend

[Markus Boldt]

Yes, I have. With a signature from Therion AND with the Altitude in 
fix-command. Why you are asking? Only for Info, or is there an important 
Information.
Greetings
Markus

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6. 3. 2015 v 9:55, Bruce mailto:bruce at tomo.co.nz>>:

The cave depth that Therion reports is always positive, regardless of whether 
you have surveyed upwards or surveyed downwards

Have you flagged the entrance?

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[Therion] german expression for depth-legend

[Markus Boldt]

Dear Bruce, 

thank you very much for your very fast answer. It is working!! Nothing else I 
have thought J. It is a thing, if a pro does something or if only a (stupid) 
user is working J. 

It would be a fine thing if “someone” would change the german expression to 
simply “Höhe” (Height) or better “Höhe (NN)”. But that brings me to 
the question: What happens if there are a cave deeper than 0m (NHN)? Get I a 
minus before the numbers? 

Greetings

Markus 





Von: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces at speleo.sk] Im 
Auftrag von Bruce
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Markus

Top of page 49 in the Therion Book describes, but you need to download the 
source files to decode what it means.



The part of texts.txt that is relevant is;

therion: title color-legend-altitude

bg: Височинна скала

cz: Nadmořské výšky

de: Höhe des Titelfeldes

el: Υψομετρικά

en: Altitudes

es: color (altitud)

fr: Altitudes

it: Profondità

mi: Teitei, Tiketike

pl: wysokości npm

pt: Altitudes

ru: Высотная шкала

sk: Nadmorské výšky

sq: titulli ngjyra-permbajtja-lartesia mbidetare



So you want to add a statement to your th-config file (OUTSIDE of a layout 
block) something like this…



text de "title color-legend-altitude" "Markus’ version of Höhe des 
Titelfeldes"



Bruce



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From: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] On Behalf 
Of Markus Boldt
Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2015 9:31 a.m.
To: therion at speleo.sk
Subject: [Therion] german expression for depth-legend



Hello, 

if I let make a legend for the depth by color (colour map-fg altitude) the 
title of that legend is „Höhe des Titelfeldes“. That is nonsense for me. 
Is it possible to change that? May be with some TEX or METAPOST? 



In the wiki I have found how it is possible to make changes by myself. But in 
my installation (5.3.16/Win7) is no directory named therion/thlang ? AND I 
thing I`am too stupid for that…..

Many thanks for an answer 

Greetings 

Markus 



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[Therion] german expression for depth-legend

[Markus Boldt]

Hello, 

if I let make a legend for the depth by color (colour map-fg altitude) the
title of that legend is „Höhe des Titelfeldes“. That is nonsense for me. Is
it possible to change that? May be with some TEX or METAPOST? 



In the wiki I have found how it is possible to make changes by myself. But
in my installation (5.3.16/Win7) is no directory named therion/thlang ? AND
I thing I`am too stupid for that
..

Many thanks for an answer 

Greetings 

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[Markus Boldt]

Hi to all, 

I have following problem with a very small cave and I doen`t find the
mistake. 



The cave has only one shot. The map as plan works ok. But the extended
presentation doesn`t works. 

The shot has a plus clino, but Therion does it to minus AND the whole cave
on top. What is wrong? 

As attachment there are the *.th, *.th2 and my config file. I am sure
someone will find the mistake. 

Regards 

Markus 





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[Therion] Excuse that simple question

[Markus Boldt]

Hi Martin, 

I have tried your answer. First I can say it works. But now I must look for the 
scales. There is a difference, although I haven`t given no different scales in 
the scraps or elsewhere. 

Where can I find the “map-header-specifications”. Therion book side number?

Regards 

Markus





Von: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces at speleo.sk] Im 
Auftrag von Martin Sluka
Gesendet: Sonntag, 11. Januar 2015 17:46
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Betreff: Re: [Therion] Excuse that simple question



Marcus,



you may include to final export PDFs, PNGs, …, also photos, ...



1. Export the PDF, you want to include in final file.



2. Add to layout section the command "map-image"



>From TherionBook: • map-image
> ◃ include image specified by  into map at location 
>specified by  . For coordinates and alignment details, see map-header 
>specification.



2. Export final PDF 



m.



11. 1. 2015 v 14:02, Markus Boldt :





Hi,

How is it possible to get a PDF with plans in plan and extended representation 
on one sheet.

I have tried it with:



map gs -title "Farrenwiesschacht" -projection plan

scrap1

endmap

 map ext -title "Farrenwiesschacht" -projection

scrap7

endmap



But I get only scrap1 in my PDF.

Scrap7 is ignored

Regards

Markus





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[Therion] Excuse that simple question

[Markus Boldt]

Hi Vlado, 

please can you send your layout named: 

my_layout 

layout Scale_2 

layout empty_header 

layout clean 

layout water-blue 

layout NorthArrow_2 

layout font 

for better understanding what happens there. That are all Layouts which are not 
included in Therion. 



Thank you in advance. 

Markus 





Von: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces at speleo.sk] Im 
Auftrag von Xiomy y Vlady
Gesendet: Sonntag, 11. Januar 2015 14:58
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Betreff: Re: [Therion] Excuse that simple question



Hi,



These is a example how to make that. You most do two maps in .th file, one for 
plan and other for extended, when you can put the scaps. In config file, in 
ouput, you most put the follow.





# *

# Corte Longitudinal de la cueva

# *



  export map -o ../Salida/SC10_Long.pdf -layout my_layout -layout Scale_2 \

  -layout-map-comment "Sección Extendida" \

  -layout-legend off \

  -layout empty_header -layout clean \

  -layout-grid bottom \

  -layout-grid-coords all \

  -layout-map-header 40 80 nw 



  # 

  # Planta de la cueva con el corte longitudinal

  # 



 export map -o ../Salida/SC10_Planta_Long.pdf -layout my_layout \

   -layout water-blue -layout Scale_2 -layout NorthArrow_2 -layout font \

   -layout clean -layout-transparency on -layout-surface bottom\

   -layout-map-image -100 10 s ../Salida/SC10_Long.pdf \ 

   -layout-map-header 0 0 n -layout-debug station-names \

   -layout-map-comment "Planta"



Regards 



Vlado

De: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces at speleo.sk] En 
nombre de Markus Boldt
Enviado el: domingo, 11 de enero de 2015 14:03
Para: 'List for Therion users'
Asunto: [Therion] Excuse that simple question



Hi, 

How is it possible to get a PDF with plans in plan and extended representation 
on one sheet. 

I have tried it with: 



map gs -title "Farrenwiesschacht" -projection plan 

scrap1 

endmap



 map ext -title "Farrenwiesschacht" -projection 

scrap7

endmap



But I get only scrap1 in my PDF. 

Scrap7 is ignored

Regards 

Markus 





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[Markus Boldt]

Hi, 

How is it possible to get a PDF with plans in plan and extended representation 
on one sheet. 

I have tried it with: 



map gs -title "Farrenwiesschacht" -projection plan 

scrap1 

endmap

 map ext -title "Farrenwiesschacht" -projection 

scrap7

endmap



But I get only scrap1 in my PDF. 

Scrap7 is ignored

Regards 

Markus 





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[Therion] PDA

[Markus Boldt]

Many thanks to all for the answers! 

I work with Asus A696. It works without any problems since 4 years. 

I must say, I havn`t not found “many” Dell Axim or HPs on Ebay. Yes, there 
are some more for over 100€, but that price in inacceptable for that old 
device. 4 others are at an acceptable price in the moment…..Hope, there is no 
other colleague in the moment, who needs one…..



I hope, there will be a version of Pocketopo not only for Windows mobile. 
Particularly because the Calibration-Funktion of that program. Even if there is 
an Lion-akku in the Distox2 or mµ-sheet in the Distox1, you must calibrate the 
device from time to time. 

Greeting 

Markus 



Martin: Thanks for advise us of the Panasonic CF18/19. May be interesting. 

Von: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces at speleo.sk] Im 
Auftrag von Martin Sluka
Gesendet: Sonntag, 12. Oktober 2014 23:47
An: List for Therion users
Betreff: Re: [Therion] PDA



With Axim no any problem. 



What is interesting too: there are plenty of cheap Toughbooks CF-18 and CF-19 
on eBay. 

Odesláno z iPhonu


12. 10. 2014 v 23:20, torstein finnesand :

There has been some minor incidents. We have used them in many caves, since 
DistoX arrived. And are still using them (some without protection)

Torstein




Den 12.10.2014 23:04, skrev Martin Sluka:

Hasn't it problem with BT connection? Any Hp I tried had problems with BT. 



12. 10. 2014 v 22:37, torstein finnesand :





HP iPAQ 214 (4 inch screen size)








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[Therion] PDA

[Markus Boldt]

Hi all, 
slowly the time goes to end, there we can buy cheap "old" PDA with
Winmobile. Pockettopo works only on Win platform and small cheap devices
with Windows as OS are seldom. And our devices in use are growing older.
What do you all use? What alternatives are possible. I know about some so
called APPS for Android, but do they work? 
I hope you have the same opinion - that this is the right platform. 
Greetings 
Markus 

[Therion] Sumatra PDF

[Markus Boldt]

Yes! Thank you, Footleg
Markus


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Von: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces at speleo.sk] Im 
Auftrag
von Henry Bennett
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 25. September 2014 17:42
An: 'List for Therion users'
Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sumatra PDF

Paul,

Not seen this on the wiki but that is an awesome tip.  Save a lot of
thrashing around with acrobat.

Henry

-Original Message-
From: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] On Behalf
Of Footleg
Sent: 23 September 2014 17:09
To: List for Therion users
Subject: Re: [Therion] metapost error on Windows7



For those who run Therion on Windows and have not already seen the PDF
viewer tip on the wiki, I use Sumatra PDF reader which is the only reader I
have found on Windows which does not lock the PDF file when it is open in
the reader, and that renders the PDF correctly as well.
Using Sumatra I can keep the PDF window open and each time I recompile my
project the PDF display refreshes automatically which is really handy.

Footleg
 

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[Therion] Français

[Markus Boldt]

non, il n'y a qu'une seule liste en anglais - ou? 

No, there is « only » a list in english – or ? 

Regards 

Markus 



Von: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces at speleo.sk] Im 
Auftrag von Yann Gardère
Gesendet: Sonntag, 24. August 2014 19:48
An: therion at speleo.sk
Betreff: [Therion] Français








-- 
Bonjour,



Y a t'il des speleo français sur la liste therion, j'aurai des questions mais 
n'y connait rien en anglais;merci


Cordialement

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[Therion] tip for DistoX2

[Markus Boldt]

Hi Martin, 
that`s good, but...
...what a printer do you use? My printer (Konica Minolta) brings it in the 
upper left corner so that all is snipped away before the N from Func. 
Please can you make the PDF once more with more Border at the upper an left 
side. 
Thank you 
Regards
Markus Boldt


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Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. August 2014 15:40
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Betreff: [Therion] tip for DistoX2

Not exactly Therion, but I think many of you use Distox2.

Micro user guide: print it, fold it, insert into the battery compartment.

m.


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[Therion] Therion database web interface

[Markus Boldt]

In this context I have often thought, why there is no possibility to get a file 
in Excel-Format. I think for the most cavers respectively serveyors it is more 
easy to work with Excel……

But I`am no programmer…..

Markus 





Von: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces at speleo.sk] Im 
Auftrag von Andrew Atkinson
Gesendet: Freitag, 4. Juli 2014 12:34
An: Therion
Betreff: Re: [Therion] Therion database web interface



I do not think anyone has developed it further. If you are developing it, 
sqlite option, is probably a good improvement, allowing more servers, and 
probably local copies to be used more easily. 

Andrew

On 4 Jul 2014 10:39, "Bruce"  wrote:

I am wanting to add some cave databases to the web along the lines of what 
Andrew describes here 
http://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/doku.php/contrib:databasequery



I have something working locally based on what Andrew submitted, although their 
are minor warnings that my system throws up, presumambly due to different 
system requirements, that I think I can fix.

Before I teach myself php, I thought I should ask to see if anyone has 
developed Andrews code, or something similar, to a more comprehensive extent, 
and if they have ask if they would share it?



Ideas I have are;

-more comprehensive result tables

-add map awareness, ie debug which surveys have no scraps or no maps of 
particular projections

-debug which surveys have no surveyors or no explorers

etc



Thanks

Bruce




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[Markus Boldt]

I have no Mac, but this error comes also on Windows7, if you have shut on
the preview in file-manager and you have only choose the data-file for
therion. 

Greetings

Markus 





Von: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces at speleo.sk] Im 
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von Dave Clucas
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 16. April 2014 16:40
An: therion at speleo.sk
Betreff: [Therion] Can't open data.log file for input



I'm running Therion v 5.3.11 on a Mac.

I've just reinstalled Mavericks to fix a problem and now get the following
error. Anyone know what the problem is?



### metapost log file 

therion: warning -- can't open data.log file for input

can't open data.log file for input end of metapost log
file 

therion: error -- metapost exit code -- 32512

writing xtherion file ... done



Dave Clucas

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[Therion] PDA

[Markus Boldt]

Hi Bruce, 
thanks for that ideas, but they all makes my wallet to light. :-)
Markus 


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Auftrag
von Bruce
Gesendet: Freitag, 11. April 2014 21:28
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Betreff: Re: [Therion] PDA

Trimble Recon
Trimble Nomad
Trimble Nomad Spectra

All work fine (although Bluetooth drops out in small wet passages).  No
protective case required, just insulation tape and duct tape over the
exposed ports, and a closed-cell foam wrap for transportation.  We did
manage to permanently drown the Recon in a swimming passage though.
Bruce

-Original Message-
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Of Markus Boldt
Sent: Saturday, 12 April 2014 2:46 a.m.
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Subject: [Therion] PDA

Hello,
has anyone a list of PDA mobiles, which are able to work PocketTopo? I have
an ASUS MyPal 696 with Win mobile 6.0. On this device PocketTopo is working.
On another device HP AXIM with Win CE 3.0 it is not working. 
Thank you
Regards
Markus 


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[Therion] PDA

[Markus Boldt]

Thanks to Footleg and to you! 

Andrew, I have downloaded .net framework from MS but that is a .msi-File,
which don`t starts on a PDA. And I have no Idea to get the file installed. 

Greetings

Markus 





Von: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces at speleo.sk] Im 
Auftrag
von Andrew Atkinson
Gesendet: Freitag, 11. April 2014 17:17
An: Therion
Betreff: Re: [Therion] PDA



Have you put the .net framework on the ce version? I believe 6 comes with it
so you do not need to it for that one.

Andrew

On 11 Apr 2014 15:51, "Markus Boldt"  wrote:

Hello,
has anyone a list of PDA mobiles, which are able to work PocketTopo? I have
an ASUS MyPal 696 with Win mobile 6.0. On this device PocketTopo is working.
On another device HP AXIM with Win CE 3.0 it is not working.
Thank you
Regards
Markus


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[Therion] PDA

[Markus Boldt]

Hello, 
has anyone a list of PDA mobiles, which are able to work PocketTopo? I have an 
ASUS MyPal 696 with Win mobile 6.0. On this device PocketTopo is working. On 
another device HP AXIM with Win CE 3.0 it is not working. 
Thank you
Regards 
Markus 

[Therion] Wish84

[Markus Boldt]

Hi, 

what I want to ask is: 

since I use Win7, every time I start Therion first there comes a message
that WISH84.EXE should start. And I see, I must allow it, otherwise therion
don`t starts. What is that? And is it possible, if it must be, that there is
an approach that therion starts without that message? 

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[Therion] Problems with Execution - I have the answer :-)

[Markus Boldt]

Hello, 

the problem happens, if I use a stick as medium for fetching the Pockettopo
file and then the File from Therion to the stick will not be written. 

Let I fetch the TXT-File from a drive on the computer it works as before
with Win XP. 

Another problem is now fixed to. That Therion works proper, I must start it
in administrator-mode. Otherwise the compilation don`t works but
interestingly it looks like it has worked without any error indication by
the first time of compilation after starting therion (Geen, OK). If one
starts compilation a second time without any changes therion "says" red,
error. But again without explanation in the log. 

All with Win 7 professional

FYI



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[Therion] Problems with Execution

[Markus Boldt]

Suddenly I have a Problem with getting drawings from Pockettopo to Therion. 

If I have made a Therion-Export-File on my PDA and I want to load it in
Therion-Map-Editor I get the Error like below. If I say OK the XVI-File will
produced anyway! 

Then I have tried to import that File to the Editor and I get the error
below. 

I have done this procedure very often. But now it is a new Computer. 

OS is Windows 7 professionell, therion is 5.3.13

Has anyone an idea? 

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[Therion] PDF display

[Markus Boldt]

Every time i want to print something in a "shop", I ask my printer witch
Printer-profile he will use. May be "Forga" for example. Then I save my File
from Adobe Indesign or Acrobat with this profile. And I will have no
problems with the colors - normaly... 
Merry Christmas and a happy new year to all
Greetings 
Markus


-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces at speleo.sk] Im 
Auftrag
von Graham Mullan
Gesendet: Sonntag, 15. Dezember 2013 22:47
An: therion at speleo.sk
Betreff: Re: [Therion] PDF display

It's strange, but I thought that the whole point of pdf was that the
document would present in identical fashion across displays and platforms.
Has anyone tried printing from different rendering engines & seeing in what
ways the results differ?

Screen display is all very well, but if you are having printing done,
especially by a print shop whose software you have no control over, how do
you know what the results are going to look like before you have coughed up
the (frequently not inconsiderable) price.

What I do know is that if I export to jpg from, Acrobat then the results do
seem to look the same as the Acrobat rendition & those are what get
incorporated into journals. But for A1 or A0 posters I give pdf files to the
print shop. As yet, as far as memory tells me (I have none to hand) they
look like the Acrobat rendition, but others may have different experiences
to me.

Graham

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[Therion] *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re: Color for one scrap in a Project

[Markus Boldt]

Martin, 
in the moment I see, that under the light grey ist the light yellow. That is
not what I want to have. And therefore I think to define a transparency is
not really possible - or?
Markus


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Betreff: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re: [Therion] Color for one scrap in a
Project

Marcus, 

try user area with light grey filling all the scrap.

something as this:

layout:

 def a_u_lgrey (expr p) =
  T:=identity;
  thfill p withcolor (0.73, 0.71, 0.75);
 enddef;

th2:

area u:lgrey
  l249-1027-2729
endarea

In this way may fill your map with color areas easy.

m.

[Therion] Color for one scrap in a Project

[Markus Boldt]

Martin, 
it works! Many Thanks!! 
Is there an additionally possibility to make this definition so that the
area will be a bit transparent?
Markus

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Project

Marcus, 

try user area with light grey filling all the scrap.

something as this:

layout:

 def a_u_lgrey (expr p) =
  T:=identity;
  thfill p withcolor (0.73, 0.71, 0.75);
 enddef;

th2:

area u:lgrey
  l249-1027-2729
endarea

In this way may fill your map with color areas easy.

m.

[Therion] Color for one scrap in a Project

[Markus Boldt]

Is it possible to define color-map fg only for one scrap in a Project of
about 50 scraps in several surveys? 
I have an "all-thconfig" file for this Project and there I have defined a
light yellow for the cave. And in the scrap which I want to have in very
light grey I have defined this very light grey, but it will overwritten. 
Many thanks for Ideas. 
Markus

[Therion] Cavesystem - Addition of cavelenght

[Markus Boldt]

I say many thanks to all who has answered my question. Next weeks I will try
some of your samples to find out which may be the best for me. 
Markus

[Therion] *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re: Cavesystem - Addition of cavelenght

[Markus Boldt]

Bruce
Thank you very much for that fast answer. Now I will have success. There are
some Ideas in your writing. 
So I must process all three caves alone to get the correct length for each
cave. OK, clear! 

Sometimes during drawing this project I have thought that it would be fine
if there were a possibility for making two headers (or more) on one Map in
therion. 

For example: You have two caves nearby, but there is no connection. Both
caves are small enough to do it on one Map so that you can print it on a big
piece of paper (A0). If you have a header for each cave (map-header cave1 0
0 sw - map-header cave2 0 100 sw..) which you can do with the map-header
command at a place you like. 
But may be there is a possibility
Markus


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Auftrag
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An: 'List for Therion users'
Betreff: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re: [Therion] Cavesystem - Addition of
cavelenght

Marcus
A hack, not a nice solution...

Look for "Output Map Title Override" in...

http://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/doku.php?id=tex#overriding_data_supplied_by_th
erion_map_headers 
(or more simply you can simply use ...

  code tex-map
 \cavename={Name of cave2}
 \cavelength{1000\thinspace{}ft}  %enter cave length and units here
 \cavedepth{300\thinspace{}m}
  Endcode

...)

And then the rest of the statistics you can enter by creating a multi-line
map-comment.

map-comment "Name of cave1 with there length \
Name of cave3 with there length \
 \
 Length of cave2 \
 Depth of cave2"

A more elegant solution would be to modify the map-header so that it is
aware of multiple caves in the same way that the cave-list output is aware.
Beyond me I am afraid, but I have a number of projects where this would be a
very desirable addition to Therion.

Bruce


-Original Message-
From: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] On Behalf
Of Markus Boldt
Sent: Friday, 19 October 2012 7:23 a.m.
To: 'List for Therion users'
Subject: [Therion] Cavesystem - Addition of cavelenght

Dear all, 
I want to make a plan, which includes three caves. But how is it possible
that the cavelenght is only added from one Cave-centerline. 

For example: 
Cave1 = 100m
Cave2 = 2000m
Cave3 = 50m 

The best would be if I will get following Header: 

Name of cave2 

Scalebar and northarrow

Name of cave1 with there length
Name of cave3 with there length

Length of cave2
Depth of cave2
And so on

Thank you for getting a reply. 
Markus


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[Therion] Cavesystem - Addition of cavelenght

[Markus Boldt]

Dear all, 
I want to make a plan, which includes three caves. But how is it possible
that the cavelenght is only added from one Cave-centerline. 

For example: 
Cave1 = 100m
Cave2 = 2000m
Cave3 = 50m 

The best would be if I will get following Header: 

Name of cave2 

Scalebar and northarrow

Name of cave1 with there length
Name of cave3 with there length

Length of cave2
Depth of cave2
And so on

Thank you for getting a reply. 
Markus

[Therion] *** GMX Spamverdacht *** xvi format

[Markus Boldt]

No :-)

I think, it will be the best you give us an sample file. 

Markus





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von chris and ita
Gesendet: Freitag, 17. Februar 2012 16:18
An: therion at speleo.sk
Betreff: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** [Therion] xvi format



I am a new user to Therion and cannot understand the presentation of
centerline data in the map file. Stations that I fix with true data are
plotted  correctly but other data is skewed, especially pure up or down
stations. Can you advise where I am going wrong

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[Markus Boldt]

That`s it! Thank you, Footleg, very much for your fast Answer! 

Greetings

Markus





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von Footleg
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Februar 2012 14:52
An: List for Therion users
Betreff: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re: [Therion] KML-File



Sure. You just need to open it in a text editor, and delete all the white
space characters from the file (apart from in the title). Then the KML file
will work in GoogleEarth.

Footleg

On 15 February 2012 13:35, Markus Boldt  wrote:

Hi, 

once, I think Footleg has had a solution to change "old" KML-Files to the
new Version needed for Google Earth. Excuse me, I have cancelled his answer.
Can you send it please once more to the list. 

Regards 

Markus


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[Therion] KML-File

[Markus Boldt]

Hi, 

once, I think Footleg has had a solution to change "old" KML-Files to the
new Version needed for Google Earth. Excuse me, I have cancelled his answer.
Can you send it please once more to the list. 

Regards 

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[Therion] Stahlträger

[Markus Boldt]

Ups- Sorry! 

Markus



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Auftrag von Markus Boldt
Gesendet: Freitag, 20. Januar 2012 15:00
An: 'List for Therion users'
Betreff: [Therion] Stahlträger



Hallo Thomas, 

den genauen Preis für den Träger bekommst du noch. Huber meint, er würde auf 
keinen Fall zwei Träger einbauen sondern immer nur den Großen. 

Pro Kg kostet es etwa 1,20€/Kg. Der große Träger wiegt pro Meter 44Kg. D.h. 
insgesamt ca. 163 Kg. Also gar nicht sooo schwer. 

Dann kostet der Träger so ungefähr 240€ einschl. MwSt. bei Abladung in 
Schmiechen. Lieferung geht irgendwie nicht….

Den genauen Preis gibt es in 14 Tagen, weil Huber ins Krankenhaus geht. 

Grüße

Vaddern 

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[Markus Boldt]

Hallo Thomas, 

den genauen Preis für den Träger bekommst du noch. Huber meint, er würde auf 
keinen Fall zwei Träger einbauen sondern immer nur den Großen. 

Pro Kg kostet es etwa 1,20€/Kg. Der große Träger wiegt pro Meter 44Kg. D.h. 
insgesamt ca. 163 Kg. Also gar nicht sooo schwer. 

Dann kostet der Träger so ungefähr 240€ einschl. MwSt. bei Abladung in 
Schmiechen. Lieferung geht irgendwie nicht….

Den genauen Preis gibt es in 14 Tagen, weil Huber ins Krankenhaus geht. 

Grüße

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[Therion] Inkscape

[Markus Boldt]

"Have you installed extensions from Thomas?" Yes
"The polygon line itself is not part of .th2 file it is generated by
therion." Yes, clear, but how do you get the Centerline in your picture No.
4? 
Markus

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Von: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces at speleo.sk] Im 
Auftrag
von Martin Sluka
Gesendet: Freitag, 13. Januar 2012 14:03
An: List for Therion users
Betreff: Re: [Therion] Inkscape

Have you instaled extensions from Thomas? I opened standard .th2 file from
xtherion map editor. The polygon line itself is not part of .th2 file it is
generated by therion. 



Odesláno z iPhonu

13. 1. 2012 v 3:37, Markus Boldt :

> But how has you got the station Points and the Centerline to Inkscape? I
have tried it in this way: I have generated a th2-File only with Station
Points, walls. The "picture" in Inkscape was ok, but without station Points
and centerline. May it be possible to send your th2-file from the scrap in
picture no.5, please. I would like to see, how it looks in txt, what is
converted from inkscape to Therion. 
> Thanks!
> 
> Best regards 
> Markus 
> 
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces at speleo.sk] Im
Auftrag von Martin Sluka
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. Januar 2012 21:16
> An: List for Therion users
> Betreff: Re: [Therion] Inkscape
> 
> First pictures is original drawn in Illustrator. Second picture is
converted to therion. 
> 
> Odesláno z iPhonu
> 
> 11. 1. 2012 v 19:48, Bruce :
> 
>> As someone who has no experience with svg and inkscape I am a little 
>> confused (although probably quite slow on the uptake).
>> 
>> I gather from the posts that Inkscape with the help of Thomas' plugin 
>> helps; 1. convert existing electronic vector cave drawings to therion 
>> scraps (and hence any therion output once you have converted the 
>> survey or at least two point coordinates) 2. allow therion centrelines 
>> and scraps to be parsed to inkscape and back to therion
>> 
>> So this means that inkscape can be used as a slightly more wysiwyg 
>> editor than xtherion.  I'm assuming an easier to use more intuitive 
>> interface as well.
>> 
>> I am trying to discern the significance of Martins picture4 and 
>> picture5 that appear to represent the same passage.
>> Are they Inkscape drawings before parsing to therion?
>> Are they therion output svg files with two different symbol sets? 
>> Is one an inkscape drawing as input and one the same drawing after 
>> being modified or morphed by therion?
>> 
>> I am wondering if there is more to it than the two points above.
>> 
>> Could therion be thought of as an editor (or manager/modifier) for 
>> inkscape/svg drawings? Ie The 'primary' drawing is done in 
>> inkscape/svg using fancy inkscape symbols including some that have no 
>> equivalent in therion, and therion is just used to attach a survey 
>> centreline to allow the original inkscape drawing to be morphed? (and 
>> of course add all those other therion data management and output formats
to the inkscape cave project).
>> And not necessarily having to use metapost code to define symbol
appearance?
>> 
>> Or not?
>> 
>> Bruce
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[Therion] Inkscape

[Markus Boldt]

But how has you got the station Points and the Centerline to Inkscape? I have 
tried it in this way: I have generated a th2-File only with Station Points, 
walls. The "picture" in Inkscape was ok, but without station Points and 
centerline. May it be possible to send your th2-file from the scrap in picture 
no.5, please. I would like to see, how it looks in txt, what is converted from 
inkscape to Therion. 
Thanks!

 Best regards 
Markus 

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Von: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces at speleo.sk] Im 
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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. Januar 2012 21:16
An: List for Therion users
Betreff: Re: [Therion] Inkscape

First pictures is original drawn in Illustrator. Second picture is converted to 
therion. 

Odesláno z iPhonu

11. 1. 2012 v 19:48, Bruce :

> As someone who has no experience with svg and inkscape I am a little 
> confused (although probably quite slow on the uptake).
> 
> I gather from the posts that Inkscape with the help of Thomas' plugin 
> helps; 1. convert existing electronic vector cave drawings to therion 
> scraps (and hence any therion output once you have converted the 
> survey or at least two point coordinates) 2. allow therion centrelines 
> and scraps to be parsed to inkscape and back to therion
> 
> So this means that inkscape can be used as a slightly more wysiwyg 
> editor than xtherion.  I'm assuming an easier to use more intuitive 
> interface as well.
> 
> I am trying to discern the significance of Martins picture4 and 
> picture5 that appear to represent the same passage.
> Are they Inkscape drawings before parsing to therion?
> Are they therion output svg files with two different symbol sets? 
> Is one an inkscape drawing as input and one the same drawing after 
> being modified or morphed by therion?
> 
> I am wondering if there is more to it than the two points above.
> 
> Could therion be thought of as an editor (or manager/modifier) for 
> inkscape/svg drawings? Ie The 'primary' drawing is done in 
> inkscape/svg using fancy inkscape symbols including some that have no 
> equivalent in therion, and therion is just used to attach a survey 
> centreline to allow the original inkscape drawing to be morphed? (and 
> of course add all those other therion data management and output formats to 
> the inkscape cave project).
> And not necessarily having to use metapost code to define symbol appearance?
> 
> Or not?
> 
> Bruce
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[Therion] *** GMX Spamverdacht *** KML from Therion no longerworking in Google Earth?

[Markus Boldt]

I`am quiet sure; It is a/the new release of Google-Earth, because if you
load it you get this Info: Do a look on the Date (Build-Datum) – it is quiet
new. 


Google Earth

6.1.0.5001


Build-Datum

10/17/2011


Build-Uhrzeit

10:38:49 vormittags


Renderer

OpenGL


Betriebssystem

Microsoft Windows (5.1.2600.2)


Grafiktreiber

Intel (6.00014.00010.04609)


Max. Texturgröße

2048x2048


verfügbarer Videospeicher

96 MB


Server

kh.google.com





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Gesendet: Sonntag, 20. November 2011 23:39
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Betreff: Re: [Therion] *** GMX Spamverdacht *** KML from Therion no
longerworking in Google Earth?



It`s the same by my kml-Files ever created. Could it (there must) be a new
release of Google-Earth? 

Markus





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von Footleg
Gesendet: Sonntag, 20. November 2011 22:03
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Betreff: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** [Therion] KML from Therion no longer
working in Google Earth?



I don't know why, but kml files for my surveys produced by Therion appear to
have stopped working in Google Earth. Any therion kml file I try (including
ones which worked in the past) now just show a point in central Africa with
the whole continent visible at the zoom level. If I zoom to where the cave
survey should appear then I see nothing there. I have attached a very
truncated sample kml file (I deleted most of the points from the polygon to
keep it simple.

Footleg

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[Markus Boldt]

It`s the same by my kml-Files ever created. Could it (there must) be a new
release of Google-Earth? 

Markus





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working in Google Earth?



I don't know why, but kml files for my surveys produced by Therion appear to
have stopped working in Google Earth. Any therion kml file I try (including
ones which worked in the past) now just show a point in central Africa with
the whole continent visible at the zoom level. If I zoom to where the cave
survey should appear then I see nothing there. I have attached a very
truncated sample kml file (I deleted most of the points from the polygon to
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[Therion] PDF-Version

[Markus Boldt]

Thank You, Martin, for the fast answer. 
So, it seems me, that it should be the bettest way to convert the PDF to a
high resolution jpeg. Because in this case I use layers. And additionally
there is a problem with the fonts provided by Indesign. Because I cannot see
(in the PDF-File opened by an Editor) an information about the fonts which
are used for making the "cave-PDF". Or is it csss10.pf in this case (see
Therion.log)? 

Markus

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Auftrag
von Martin Budaj
Gesendet: Sonntag, 22. Mai 2011 13:26
An: List for Therion users
Betreff: Re: [Therion] PDF-Version

Hi,

> is it possible to say Metapost witch version of PDF I want to use?

theoretically yes, but you should not specify lower version than
therion chooses (1.4 is required by PDF specification if you use
transparency (this is the default value in therion), 1.5 if you use
layers).

> Therion generates a PDF 1.5. But if I insert that PDF in a publication
> developed with e.g. Adobe Indesign, the spezial german characters Ä, Ö, Ü
> are not written in the right way. With PDF-Version 1.3 it is all right.

Recent versions of therion include unicode mapping information in pdf
files, so there should be no conversion problems for unicode-aware
applications (provided you have the same font available in both apps,
tested in Inkscape).

If you are using latest therion, please post the file 'therion.log',
otherwise try upgrading.

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[Therion] PDF-Version

[Markus Boldt]

Hi, 

is it possible to say Metapost witch version of PDF I want to use? 



Therion generates a PDF 1.5. But if I insert that PDF in a publication
developed with e.g. Adobe Indesign, the spezial german characters Ä, Ö, Ü
are not written in the right way. With PDF-Version 1.3 it is all right. 

Clearly, it is no problem to convert it with a tool, but it would be easier
to get it directly from Therion. 



Regards

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[Therion] Map

[Markus Boldt]

Many thanks, Bruce and Marco, for that very fast answer! 

It works, but if I plot the elevation plan with annother orientation as 0DEG
than I missed the Walls? 

Markus



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von Bruce
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. April 2011 12:47
An: 'List for Therion users'
Betreff: Re: [Therion] Map



I see I gave a similar answer a couple of years ago.

http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.therion/1682/match=map+image



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[Markus Boldt]

Hi, 

probably it is a very simple question. But I do not get it out. 

How is it possible to get a plan projection AND a elevation projection
(180°) on one map. 

I have a simple cave with 4 very small scraps with plan projection and one
scrap with elevation projection. 

I have found no example in the wiki, but may be a havn`t searched enough. 

Regards

Markus



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[Therion] UTM 30 N

[Markus Boldt]

Hi Footleg, 

could it be helpfull for you if you do a look to the parameters to convert
from WGS84 to European 1979? I havn`t found no formula to convert it
automatically. In hope there is someone on the list who has more
Informations for calculate it. 




Umrechnungsparameter aus WGS84




dX [m]

-86


dY [m]

-98


dZ [m]

-119


delta A

-251


delta F

-0.14192703



Regards 

Markus





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von Footleg
Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. April 2011 16:37
An: List for Therion users
Betreff: Re: [Therion] UTM 30 N



I need UTM30 projected coordinates on the European 1979 datum. So my
coordinates in the 3d files are in UTM format (i.e. in metres, not in
decimal lat. long. degrees).

I can try to compile from source code. I am on Windows, so some tips for
compiling would be handy (I am a Java developer, so not too familiar with
compiling other languages but can probably muddle through).

Footleg

On 5 April 2011 15:32, Martin Budaj  wrote:

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Footleg  wrote:

> in UTM30 European 1979 Datum. This is not the same as the more common
WGS84

>   #fix 1.0 41.234567 -3.21012 213

Hi,

I am not sure if you need European 1979 datum with geographic
coordinates (as your fix example suggests) or projected UTM30
coordinates.

In the first case, you could try EPSG:4668, in the second case I could
send you custom Proj4 definition if it is fine for you to compile
therion from source code. Custom proj4 strings in .th files should be
supported in not so distant future as well.

Martin

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[Therion] Problem with kml-File for google Earth

[Markus Boldt]

Hi Andrew, 
thank you very much for that ideas! 
As I have looked to the *.th2 File of that part from the cave I found a line
which should be an arrow-line but it was a wall-line. That was the error.
Now it works well. But why was there no error in the PDF-File? There all
looks properly, of course the arrow was not present. 
Best Regards 
Markus 

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Gesendet: Sonntag, 6. Februar 2011 12:32
An: List for Therion users
Betreff: Re: [Therion] Problem with kml-File for google Earth

I have had this problem before. I gave up using kml about a year ago as 
they seem to be far fussier than the pdf and lox, so I now grab the sat 
images and use them. I would guess that the missing parts are were 
therion has got the inside and outside confused.

GMapCatcher works well for getting images, but you are breaking the T+Cs 
and copyright.

ttp://code.google.com/p/gmapcatcher/

Generally I found it came from having the walls the wrong way round, 
tick should be on the air side. Also pillars (when in a single scrap, I 
believe) need to have -outline in option set.

However, this is/was not always the case, the error of scraps 
overlapping themselves was a good indication of other places it went 
wrong, but these are often very difficult to solve, I still have many in 
my data sets.

Andrew

On 06/02/11 10:52, Markus Boldt wrote:
> Hi,
> I have a cave with a length from about 400m. It is shared into 8 separated
> *.th and *.th2 Files.
> All worked well, if I want to get a PDF-File with projection plan.
> But in the kml-File (made with: export map -fmt kml -projection plan
-layout
> standard -output BTH-11-02-06_GS.kml) there are missing part 4 of the
cave.
>
> Has anyone an Idea, where the problem could be?
>
> Many thanks
> Markus
>
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[Therion] Problem with kml-File for google Earth

[Markus Boldt]

Hi, 
I have a cave with a length from about 400m. It is shared into 8 separated
*.th and *.th2 Files. 
All worked well, if I want to get a PDF-File with projection plan. 
But in the kml-File (made with: export map -fmt kml -projection plan -layout
standard -output BTH-11-02-06_GS.kml) there are missing part 4 of the cave. 

Has anyone an Idea, where the problem could be? 

Many thanks 
Markus