[tw] Re: An Idea for syncing TiddlyWiki

2015-01-27 Thread NT
Am Dienstag, 27. Januar 2015 12:05:09 UTC+1 schrieb PMario: - a session would mean here that you start with a synced wiki (copies) and do handshakes by determining the name (convention) of the syncStatus file considering the current cloud conditions If you use your file based

[tw] Re: An Idea for syncing TiddlyWiki

2015-01-27 Thread NT
Am Dienstag, 27. Januar 2015 12:05:09 UTC+1 schrieb PMario: - after the sync the syncfile of A has to be deleted by B and A is not allowed to write a new syncfile while the old syncfile exists This is a typical condition for a dead lock, where both sides are locked, because the delete

[tw] Re: An Idea for syncing TiddlyWiki

2015-01-27 Thread PMario
On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 at 2:06:48 AM UTC+1, NT wrote: Regarding to the context of your seafile presentation: 1. Looks like you worked with tiddlywiki on node.js in seafile, since I saw multiple separated files for each tiddler - did you (I did not yet, only have read about)? yes, it

[tw] Re: An Idea for syncing TiddlyWiki

2015-01-27 Thread NT
Of course, separating data logic is a meaningful thing in most scenarios, but that does not answer my current questions. Ok, to be a bit more constructive some minds on sync from my side... If we speak about distribution on file level (in the cloud) the question is if it's neccessary to do

[tw] Re: An Idea for syncing TiddlyWiki

2015-01-27 Thread PMario
On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 at 11:32:08 AM UTC+1, NT wrote: If somebody would ask me for a blueprint of file level syncing of TW5 in a efficient but also simple way I would suggest the following: - keep things simple with the single file approach - over disadvantages it has many advantages

[tw] Re: An Idea for syncing TiddlyWiki

2015-01-27 Thread Tobias Beer
When I started tiddlydrive that was my goal. Currently the project is frozen, but you can check it out at http://danielo515.github.io/TiddlyDrive4Community Basically is a single file HTML that syncs from and to google drive. With all the little unresolved (and unresolvable) bits and

[tw] Re: An Idea for syncing TiddlyWiki

2015-01-27 Thread NT
Am Dienstag, 27. Januar 2015 11:09:29 UTC+1 schrieb PMario: 2. That the inconsistent (conflict) file is brought up by seafile is nice, but do you get noticed about that? You don't. If you reload the page, you'll see, that there are conflicting files. ... But TW doesn't have an easy

[tw] Re: An Idea for syncing TiddlyWiki

2015-01-27 Thread PMario
On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 at 3:53:50 AM UTC+1, Tobias Beer wrote: I think with all these shared / collaboration concepts one thing is key: separating the wiki(s) from the store(s) right. For collaboration around TiddlyWiki, the single-file paradigm is essentially untenable, The

[tw] Re: An Idea for syncing TiddlyWiki

2015-01-27 Thread NT
Mario, please have a look at my comment to Tobias post as well. Thanks :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.

[tw] Re: An Idea for syncing TiddlyWiki

2015-01-27 Thread PMario
On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 at 11:50:24 AM UTC+1, NT wrote: Am Dienstag, 27. Januar 2015 11:09:29 UTC+1 schrieb PMario: Page reload. Sorry, I was speaking here about the seafile service and not about tw. But I think you mean a page reload inside seafile as well. That's what I mean is

[tw] Re: An Idea for syncing TiddlyWiki

2015-01-27 Thread Danielo Rodríguez
2.1 Say you have 300 tiddlers aka 300 files - you'll not be able to discover on your own when a new conflict file will appear among them. So do you get a notice of the conflict? Page reload. No, that does not work. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

[tw] Re: An Idea for syncing TiddlyWiki

2015-01-27 Thread Danielo Rodríguez
If somebody would ask me for a blueprint of file level syncing of TW5 in a efficient but also simple way I would suggest the following: - keep things simple with the single file approach - over disadvantages it has many advantages - on sync side A: -- use the TW5 autosave capabilities

[tw] Re: An Idea for syncing TiddlyWiki

2015-01-27 Thread PMario
On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 at 11:50:24 AM UTC+1, NT wrote: Then is mobile use not possible on side B when on side A there is the node.js version running with multiple files getting synced to A?? IMO not really possible I am using TW apps for mobile access right now, but i am working

[tw] Re: An Idea for syncing TiddlyWiki

2015-01-27 Thread Tobias Beer
I'm sure there are quite some users, that would be happy with this mechanism, because it has no dependencies. It's extremely simple. An if you only did eg: 10 small changes in the text. Resolving will be fast too. Yes, an improved manual importer makes total sense. The problem here is,

[tw] Re: An Idea for syncing TiddlyWiki

2015-01-27 Thread NT
Am Dienstag, 27. Januar 2015 12:08:44 UTC+1 schrieb PMario: On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 at 11:50:24 AM UTC+1, NT wrote: Am Dienstag, 27. Januar 2015 11:09:29 UTC+1 schrieb PMario: Page reload. Sorry, I was speaking here about the seafile service and not about tw. But I think you

[tw] Re: An Idea for syncing TiddlyWiki

2015-01-27 Thread Tobias Beer
I don't see the deadlock with the information provided regarding the meta information exchange. If there is a syncfile from tw A for tw B, then tw B should delete it after: - the syncfile was recognized (tw B could check every 10 seconds) and -- tw B updated itself according to the

[tw] Re: An Idea for syncing TiddlyWiki

2015-01-26 Thread Tobias Beer
I think with all these shared / collaboration concepts one thing is key: separating the wiki(s) from the store(s) For collaboration around TiddlyWiki, the single-file paradigm is essentially untenable, not just for the simple reason that to currently push 1 byte of changed tiddler you my need

[tw] Re: An Idea for syncing TiddlyWiki

2015-01-26 Thread NT
Hey Mario, I stumbled upon your post on the search for a possibility to realize a shared/distributed work on a tiddlywiki in the cloud - not in the web - with automatic syncing between teampartners who should be able to edit the wiki at the same time (more or less). I think the problems are on

[tw] Re: An Idea for syncing TiddlyWiki

2014-05-09 Thread PMario
Hi Jonnan, There are several file syncing services, that may work well with TW. I did discover seafile [1] service lately. They provide a file based sync, and are able to discover conflicts, if 2 files have been edited at the same time. The mechanism doesn't do any automatic merging ...