Re: [tw] Re: Dreamhost

[MR]

Ah, well, I look forward to your plugin making prime time! Having to wait
is a bit of an annoyance, but only because I'm used to working with it
directly on my machine. Waiting a few more seconds is still worth having it
always accessible. Thanks so much for your help.

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 12:52 AM, Jed Carty  wrote:

> The slow saving on dreamhost (and to a lesser extent on tiddlyspot) is one
> of the reasons I started the multiuser plugin I have, it saves individual
> tiddlers when they change instead of the full wiki so it is much much
> faster. It isn't really ready for use on publicly accessible servers yet
> but I am working on authentication for other projects that should be
> compatible with it so that may come soon.
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[tw] Upload-Tiddler-Plugin

[Jan Johannpeter]

Hi,
sorry, I meant the uploadTiddlerPlugin 
anmelden.szenen.club/sites/Paul/#UploadTiddlerPlugin , of course

The UploadPlugin works fine in TW5...

-Jan

Am 29.03.2018 um 22:38 schrieb Jan:

Hello,
In TiddlyWiki Classic there was an UploadPlugin (to hav a glance:
anmelden.szenen.club/sites/Paul/#UploadPlugin)  for the store.php
(repectively a special storeTiddler.php which can be found on
https://github.com/robertpyke/tiddly-speck.
Could someone update these two for TW5?

It would be great to have the opportunity to upload single Tiddlers to
TW...and eventually to upload Tiddlers created and modified by other
users (like comments etc.) to another TW for reimporting them later.

This is a function I really would need for my use of TW in school.
What do you think? Does this sound like a usefull idea?

Best wishes, Jan


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Re: [tw] Re: Could someome update Bidix' UploadPlugin to TW5 please...

[Jan]

Hi Jed,
another reason to finally use your multiuserPlugin ... and node.js. I do 
not know why this has intimidated me such a long time.


A question for understanding: Could I run a node.js-wiki on a 
webserver/webspace..and where is the best framework for this?


Yours Jan


Am 29.03.2018 um 22:56 schrieb Jed Carty:
The web socket server used by the multiuser plugin could be modified 
to let you upload single tiddlers but it only works with the node 
version of tiddlywiki. I don't think it is possible to do with the 
single file version of TW5.

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[tw] Re: Could someome update Bidix' UploadPlugin to TW5 please...

[Jed Carty]

The web socket server used by the multiuser plugin could be modified to let 
you upload single tiddlers but it only works with the node version of 
tiddlywiki. I don't think it is possible to do with the single file version 
of TW5.

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[tw] Could someome update Bidix' UploadPlugin to TW5 please...

[Jan]

Hello,
In TiddlyWiki Classic there was an UploadPlugin (to hav a glance: 
anmelden.szenen.club/sites/Paul/#UploadPlugin)  for the store.php 
(repectively a special storeTiddler.php which can be found on 
https://github.com/robertpyke/tiddly-speck.

Could someone update these two for TW5?

It would be great to have the opportunity to upload single Tiddlers to 
TW...and eventually to upload Tiddlers created and modified by other 
users (like comments etc.) to another TW for reimporting them later.


This is a function I really would need for my use of TW in school.
What do you think? Does this sound like a usefull idea?

Best wishes, Jan

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[tw] History: Is TiddlyWiki A Card-Index System?

[Ste Wilson]

Cheers for that. Interesting stuff. 

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Re: [tw] Re: My TiddlyWiki is running very slow

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Steve

> Jeremy, would this work better in Xememex? Might be worth a shot? //steve.

Sadly not; as things stand, Xememex would still render it as one big HTML file.

There are a bunch of approaches that might make it work with reasonable 
performance:

* running the wiki entirely on the server, just shipping static output back to 
the browser. That’s something that’s supported by Xememex, but would need some 
setting up to get things working in this case.
* a hybrid mode where the browser loads most tiddlers lazily, and defers to the 
server for searching across tiddlers that haven’t yet been loaded
* a refinement to the TW file format making it possible to stream tiddlers from 
the HTML file after the main wiki has been initialised

This example stretches the envelope of TiddlyWiki quite impressively (I’d have 
laughed if you’d told me a few years ago that it would be even remotely 
practical to work with a wiki this size; I think the most important factor is 
actually how much better browsers have got over the last 5 years). There’s 
quite a lot of interest in pursuing further optimisation of the TW core (for 
example, the work that Evan Balster has been doing).

I don’t see anything obvious that you could do improve things immediately 
(that’s not to say that others might not have some good suggestions based on 
their experience).

I noticed that the wiki is running on 5.1.14; it’s definitely worth upgrading 
to the latest 5.1.15 (or even the prerelease) to get the latest speed 
improvements that have gone into the core.

I’m starting work on a wiki with 50,000+ tiddlers for a client, and intend to 
explore a few further optimisations which will hopefully also benefit this 
example.

Best wishes

Jeremy

> 
> On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 11:08:20 PM UTC-4, Mark S. wrote:
> Well, I was able to find covfefe, so at least it works. 
> 
> TW isn't a real, indexed database. So the bigger it gets, the slower it will 
> run. Thirty megs has been about my practical upper limit and <10mb on 
> devices. 
> 
> Probably the thing to do is to split it by some sub-category. 
> 
> -- Mark
> 
> On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 5:38:41 PM UTC-7, war...@sunyit.edu <> wrote:
> I am currently working on a TiddlyWiki project for my class at SunyPoly. I 
> have imported 82,952 tiddlers using the xlsx spreadsheet utilities. 
> With 82,952 tiddlers it runs very slow. The size of the whole project is 
> around 45mb. Does anybody know if I could somehow speed up the TiddlyWiki, or 
> have I pushed it to the limit. 
> 
> Project can be found here - http://wardjhtrumptweets.tiddlyspot.com/ 
> 
> 
> Thanks, 
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[tw] History: Is TiddlyWiki A Card-Index System?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Mark S. asked ... 

> Perhaps with your background you could explain Zettelkasten. There seems 
> to be an almost cult-like culture around a system of taking notes (by 
> software or index cards). https://zettelkasten.de/ .
>

Mark S. asked me that interesting question in another thread, started by 
Mat, comparing TW to other "similar software". I been thinking about Mark's 
question. I wasn't sure if people here are interested in this, but then I 
thought well, hey, they might be ...

"Zettelkästen" is just the German for "card indices" in general. 
https://zettelkasten.de/ is a specific "Zettelkästen Methodology" derived 
from the work done originally (on physical cards) by the brilliant prolific 
sociologist and systems theorist Niklas Luhmann.

He was one of several social scientists who prefigured issues that would 
come up in the development of software for "soft data" and "emergent 
structure". The point being that in the social sciences, a lot of the time, 
theories/patterns emerge during research, so you need flexibility--its not 
like hard science which is more driven by strict prior hypotheses that have 
clear "data slots"--nor is it like birth & death records, nor address books 
etc. In short, social science (especially ideographic fieldwork) needs an 
"open" way to record information. 

The PRACTICAL issue for the Luhmann style Zettelkästeners, in software, was 
(1) how to maintain the integrity of the record (the card) AND (2) relate 
that record to other records (the cards) in an EMERGENT way. In other words 
NOT be a strict database that only had determined prior slots (hypothesised 
significant). At the time of emergence of such work it was a hot issue.

The "Zettelkästen Methodology" is interesting and clearly is still used to 
good effect. Not so remarked upon, but significant, is that quite a lot of 
the sense-making in it is EXTERNAL to the computer. Its about guesses 
external to the data itself to find pattern. 

Luhmann make two Zettelkästen (manual, physical) in his life, with 
thousands of records each, and they informed and structured most all of his 
voluminous writing. It worked. But I'm not convinced it worked without HIM 
doing "in head" most of the cross-connection work.

Zettelkästen Methodology now looks a bit like a "blast from the past" ... I 
mean the oft discussion of the vitality of "Tags" OVER "Topics/Categories" 
is already a done deal on the net nowadays. So in that sense its a bit like 
a Philosophy of Knowledge that's done it job already.

---

On the comparison of TiddlyWiki and Card Indices ... which OFTEN users 
point to and celebrate ... well it works for SOME TiddlyWiki set up that 
way. No harm in using that analogy. BUT the analogy quickly breaks down.

Card Index systems (& computer equivalents) are base on *the sacredness of 
the record (Card)* whilst TiddlyWiki is based on the *equality of the 
fragment (Tiddler)*. So what in the Zettelkästen Methodology is seen as a 
"basic unit" (card), in TiddlyWiki might also be a card, but could also be 
composed of fragments (Tiddlers), decomposed and reassembled multiple ways. 

Zettelkästen Methodology also has no conceptual way of dealing with "the 
software itself" and "the organisational system itself" being also equal 
components. In Zettelkästen Methodology you have Cards, then an external 
software framework to organise them. These are not distinct in TiddlyWiki.

IMO, a Tiddler is hardly an "index card" at all in any normal sense. Its 
outstanding characteristic is its a CHAMELEON :-).

---

FWIW, to give some perspective to this issue, the "card analogy" actually 
owes its greatest realisation in computing to stricter database structures. 

The Index Card as an idea probably got its first airing in the 1640s in 
Harrison's "The Ark Of Studies". Serious early application was by Linnaeus 
to be able to organise the taxonomy of species in a flexible way where 
records could be added and re-ordered at will (1760's). Then the Dewey 
library card index system (1870's) was very significant, which was widely 
adopted, with Index Cards beginning to be adopted widely for all sorts of 
purposes--police records, doctors records, address "books" etc.

A big step towards computing was the development of index cards with 
punched holes at their edges that were then "notched" into when the card 
was in a "category". Say you had a thousand cards and only wanted to see 
cards about "cats" ... you threaded a slim long knitting needle through the 
"cat hole" and then you could lift off all the records that were not for 
cats to just see cats (basic filtering). A bunch of different mechanical 
systems for doing this were developed of varying degrees of sophistication. 
These "Knitting Needle Machines" were conceptually important to the later 
development of *relational databases*.

Extending from the needle hole idea, a next step was to replace the data 
recorded on the body of the cards with punched holes on the card--the 

[tw] Re: My TiddlyWiki is running very slow

[Steven Schneider]

Jeremy, would this work better in Xememex? Might be worth a shot? //steve.

On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 11:08:20 PM UTC-4, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Well, I was able to find *covfefe*, so at least it works. 
>
> TW isn't a real, indexed database. So the bigger it gets, the slower it 
> will run. Thirty megs has been about my practical upper limit and <10mb on 
> devices. 
>
> Probably the thing to do is to split it by some sub-category. 
>
> -- Mark
>
> On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 5:38:41 PM UTC-7, war...@sunyit.edu wrote:
>>
>> I am currently working on a TiddlyWiki project for my class at SunyPoly. 
>> I have imported 82,952 tiddlers using the xlsx spreadsheet utilities. 
>> With 82,952 tiddlers it runs very slow. The size of the whole project is 
>> around 45mb. Does anybody know if I could somehow speed up the TiddlyWiki, 
>> or have I pushed it to the limit. 
>>
>> Project can be found here - http://wardjhtrumptweets.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>> Thanks, 
>>
>

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Re: [tw] Save tiddlers on TiddlyServer & querying tiddlers

[TonyM]

Jonathan

TiddlyWiki is a wiki but much more. Trust me! ;)

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[tw] INTRO: edit-tabs, lets you open link-to-tabs links in edit mode with 1 click

[PMario]

Hi folks, 

I did just upload a new little plugin, that is named: edit-tabs 
. 

It lets you open "tab links" in edit mode with 1 click.

 - Clicking a tab-link for non-system tiddlers will open them in edit mode. 
 - system tiddlers will open in view mode. atm

The implementation is as minimalistic as it could be.

At the time of this posting, I was thinking about, to make the "system 
tiddler" auto editing configurable. ... We'll see

have fun!
mario

PS: The plugin was inspired by a discussion here in the group 
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Re: [tw] Re: Wish list: a modification to $:/plugins/wikilabs/link-to-tabs

[PMario]

Hi folks, 

I did upload a new plugin: edit-tabs - 
https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/edit-tabs/, *that lets automatically 
open non-system tiddlers* in edit mode. 

As I wrote in my last post, there is some js code needed, to make the stuff 
happening. ... That's why I did create a new plugin, and keep link-to-tabs 
as simple as possible. 

So edit-tabs  _replaces_  link-to-tabs ... 
*You should not install them both!*
edit-tabs is experimental atm. ... Because at the time of this writing, I 
thought: ... I should have made the "open system-tiddlers in edit mode" 
configurable 

So there may be a new version in the future. 

have fun!
mario



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[tw] Re: External link tooltips for dummies

[Antti E.]

TonyM,

OK I will update you once we get some experience. So far it's been a slow 
start but no issues.

I work in an engineering company, and the plan is that our engineers could 
write these TiddlyWiki HTAs about certain not-too-narrow but not-too-wide 
topics, and save them to our network share. We use standardized corporate 
laptops so IExplorer is not an issue here.

HTA backups can be taken to local disk for offline usage. This may be 
necessary during field work, travelling, commissioning trips. Keeping the 
versions in sync if you update something offline might become a minor 
headache, but hey that's life.

In most out-of-office cases we have at least some kind of internet 
connection and VPN tunnel to our office network. You can notice that 
TiddlyWiki is at least 4MB because each time you save a tiddler via VPN it 
takes 5-15 seconds, depending on the connection speed. Minor issue again.

I created our own TiddlyWiki "base version" with a front page template 
tiddler, and a link to another tiddler that briefly describes what 
TiddlyWiki is, how to use it, how to find external help, this forum and 
some cheat sheets, and what customizations were done (list below).

//antti

!! Modifications

The following has been modified after downloading an empty TiddlyWiki from 
the Internet:

* Windows Explorer > change file extension to .HTA > Properties > Unblock
* Wiki Control Panel
** Info > Basics
*** Title
*** Subtitle
*** Default tiddlers: Main
*** Title of journal: -MM-DD
** Appearance > Toolbars
*** Edit: hide Delete
*** Page: show also Home, Close all, Fold all, Unfold all
*** View: show More, Edit, Fold others, Close others, Fold, Close
** Appearance > Tweaks
*** Sidebar layout: Fluid story
*** Story right: 570px
*** Story width: 570px
*** Tiddler width: 486px
*** Sidebar breakpoint: 760px
** Settings > disable auto-CamelCase
* [[$:/palettes/Vanilla]] > Edit > dark blue code, dark green external 
link, gray-blue internal link
** code-foreground: #44
** external-link-foreground-visited: #006600
** external-link-foreground: #006600
** primary: #4060c0
* [[$:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/base]] > Edit > dark red broken link
** a.tc-tiddlylink-missing { color: #88; }
* [[$:/core/modules/parsers/wikiparser/rules/prettyextlink.js]] > Edit > 
show URL in tooltip
** after this: node.attributes.href = {type: "string", value: URL};
** add this: node.attribute.title=  {type: "string", value: URL};
* [[$:/core/modules/parsers/wikiparser/rules/prettylink.js]] > Edit > show 
URL in tooltip
** after this: href: {type: "string", value: link},
** add this: title: {type: "string", value: link},
* https://welford.github.io > htalink > drag
** open external links in default browser instead if IE (HTA itself always 
runs in IE)

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