[tw5] Re: DesignWriteStudio Student Presentations

2018-04-18 Thread Mohammad
Many thanks Steven!
I hope we can have access to online video later, if not able to participate 
in the live sessions.
Great effort in academic application of TW.


By the way, do you also use DesignWriteStudio for presentation? I mean is 
there any capability in your TW edition to use it for slide show?



Best
Mohammad


On Wednesday, April 18, 2018 at 11:58:56 PM UTC+4:30, Steven Schneider 
wrote:
>
> Greetings:
>
> Several of you may have noticed some discussion in recent months about the 
> DesignWriteStudio , a place where I teach 
> students, mostly from SUNY Polytechnic Institute in NY (USA), how to design 
> and write interactive texts using TiddlyWiki. This term, there are about 25 
> students enrolled in credit-bearing university classes, at either the 
> undergraduate or graduate level. Most (all?) of these students were 
> introduced to TiddlyWiki on the first day of class in January, and have 
> spend the past 14 weeks learning to use TiddlyWiki to complete various 
> projects.
>
> My students will be presenting their final projects during class next 
> week, and we will be live-streaming the presentations on Zoom. You are 
> invited to attend the presentations, which I hope you will find both 
> instructive and inspiring.
>
> This is the schedule (all times Eastern Standard Time (US); link provided 
> to world clock):
>
> Monday, April 23 7pm 
> 
> Tuesday, April 24 9:45am 
> 
> Wednesday, April 25, 4pm 
> 
> Thursday, April 26, 9:45am 
> 
>
> I think this is a unique opportunity to see a variety of users work with 
> TiddlyWiki, and get a sense of what folks can learn to do in a relatively 
> brief time. I hope that some can come, as I know my students would 
> appreciate it. If you are unable to view the livestream, I anticipate 
> capturing each presentation as a distinct video, and building links to the 
> presentations in the DesignWriteStudio wiki.
>
> If anyone is interested in exploring collaborative opportunities to teach 
> using TiddlyWiki, please be in touch. I'll be revamping my teaching 
> materials this summer, as well as working on a number of projects to 
> develop Tiddly textbooks (open educational resources using TiddlyWiki as a 
> platform) and TiddlyWiki data collection and analysis tools. 
>
> And thanks to all who helped out by responding to student requests during 
> the past few months!
>
> //steve.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: March Of The Androids -- Seeking Info On Your Usage

2018-04-18 Thread TonyM
My Android use,

I have NoteSelf and a Termux application NodeJS installation on my android 
tablet and high end smart phone. I spend a lot of time at my desk so are 
not yet relying on these android installs.  I am however building solutions 
for this platform.


   - NoteSelf
  - NoteSelf is a Nice and quick method to get TiddlyWiki on a phone, 
  including by visiting it hosted on the internet, it has its own app icon 
  which works well and stops opening multiple instances.
  - You cant easily update or access noteself wikis after you first 
  install it, just add data as you go.
  - I do not use an external database at this point, however once I do 
  I should be able to influence the same wiki from my desktop
   - Node JS A node JS Install through Termux 
  - Turmux and node JS is a pain to start, and despite buying the app 
  to autostart I have not yet got it working.
  - I love the ability to browse to the running tiddlywiki from my 
  desktop on my LAN which is how I do plugin installs and big updates
  - I am always opening additional instances of the same TiddlyWiki and 
  often need to clean up my browser tabs
   - I will be exploring other choices for hosting and saving tiddlywikis 
   to make android use a lot smoother
   - NoteSelf export tiddlers seems to be a way to export and import 
   changes in the browser.
   - I have yet to choose touch and mobile sensitive themes and settings 
   but there is a lot of activity in this area.
   - I often experiment with ideas in tiddlywiki on the road (yes I think I 
   am TiddlyWiki obsessed)

Regards
Tony



On Monday, April 16, 2018 at 9:54:00 PM UTC+10, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> *March of the Androids*: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUN78LgRfHE
>
> *Since the first quarter of 2011, Google’s mobile operating system 
> , Android, has 
> steadily increased its share of the global smartphone OS market. As of the 
> fourth quarter of 2016, Android leads the global market 
> 
>  
> with an 81.7 percent market share, while Apple’s iOS is second. Android is 
> also the most often used operating system for tablet computers 
> 
>  
> worldwide, with a 66 percent share of the global market in 2016.-- 
> *Statistics 
> Portal 
> 
>
> I'm hazy on how people actually use TiddlyWiki on Android Phones & 
> Tablets. 
>
> If you using Android I'd like to learn more about how you use it for 
> TiddlyWiki. Android is dominant in the mobile market in much of the world 
> so I think it makes sense to ensure its well addressed in TW. Currently I'm 
> not that clear how folk actually practically use TW with it. 
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: DesignWriteStudio Student Presentations

2018-04-18 Thread TonyM
Steven,

Thanks for Sharing and your involvement with TiddlyWiki, I expect as I live 
in Australia I may have to wait until the videos are placed online. 

I think TiddlyWiki is a great platform to deal with both the concepts and 
technologies available for personal and internet related applications.

Having a formal training program is great I will always support your 
endeavours where I can.

Best wishes
Tony

On Thursday, April 19, 2018 at 5:28:56 AM UTC+10, Steven Schneider wrote:
>
> Greetings:
>
> Several of you may have noticed some discussion in recent months about the 
> DesignWriteStudio , a place where I teach 
> students, mostly from SUNY Polytechnic Institute in NY (USA), how to design 
> and write interactive texts using TiddlyWiki. This term, there are about 25 
> students enrolled in credit-bearing university classes, at either the 
> undergraduate or graduate level. Most (all?) of these students were 
> introduced to TiddlyWiki on the first day of class in January, and have 
> spend the past 14 weeks learning to use TiddlyWiki to complete various 
> projects.
>
> My students will be presenting their final projects during class next 
> week, and we will be live-streaming the presentations on Zoom. You are 
> invited to attend the presentations, which I hope you will find both 
> instructive and inspiring.
>
> This is the schedule (all times Eastern Standard Time (US); link provided 
> to world clock):
>
> Monday, April 23 7pm 
> 
> Tuesday, April 24 9:45am 
> 
> Wednesday, April 25, 4pm 
> 
> Thursday, April 26, 9:45am 
> 
>
> I think this is a unique opportunity to see a variety of users work with 
> TiddlyWiki, and get a sense of what folks can learn to do in a relatively 
> brief time. I hope that some can come, as I know my students would 
> appreciate it. If you are unable to view the livestream, I anticipate 
> capturing each presentation as a distinct video, and building links to the 
> presentations in the DesignWriteStudio wiki.
>
> If anyone is interested in exploring collaborative opportunities to teach 
> using TiddlyWiki, please be in touch. I'll be revamping my teaching 
> materials this summer, as well as working on a number of projects to 
> develop Tiddly textbooks (open educational resources using TiddlyWiki as a 
> platform) and TiddlyWiki data collection and analysis tools. 
>
> And thanks to all who helped out by responding to student requests during 
> the past few months!
>
> //steve.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: March Of The Androids -- Seeking Info On Your Usage

2018-04-18 Thread Ste Wilson
I spend a significant amount of my tiddly time on my note 4. Tiddlyspot is 
great in that it mostly automatically saves when finishing editing a tiddler 
and the backup function is great. The only thing I really struggle with on my 
phone is importing. 
Dragging into tiddlywiki from another tab isn't possible and downloading a 
plugin to then import is a hassle and sometimes made more problamatic by the 
vaguries of mobile browser not downloading but opening at a text file in a new 
tab... 

I find the clipboard add on found in Fleksy keyboard to be a real help with 
occasional use of hackers keyboard. 

I think the edit toolbar is less relevent on mobile though that could just be 
because it was something that was introduced after I'd been using tiddlywiki 
for a while. 

Another essential for me was the tweak to allow preview and edit panes to be 
scrolled independantly... Can't quite remember where I picked that up. 

Stephen. 

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[tw5] DesignWriteStudio Student Presentations

2018-04-18 Thread Steven Schneider
Greetings:

Several of you may have noticed some discussion in recent months about the 
DesignWriteStudio , a place where I teach 
students, mostly from SUNY Polytechnic Institute in NY (USA), how to design 
and write interactive texts using TiddlyWiki. This term, there are about 25 
students enrolled in credit-bearing university classes, at either the 
undergraduate or graduate level. Most (all?) of these students were 
introduced to TiddlyWiki on the first day of class in January, and have 
spend the past 14 weeks learning to use TiddlyWiki to complete various 
projects.

My students will be presenting their final projects during class next week, 
and we will be live-streaming the presentations on Zoom. You are invited to 
attend the presentations, which I hope you will find both instructive and 
inspiring.

This is the schedule (all times Eastern Standard Time (US); link provided 
to world clock):

Monday, April 23 7pm 

Tuesday, April 24 9:45am 

Wednesday, April 25, 4pm 

Thursday, April 26, 9:45am 


I think this is a unique opportunity to see a variety of users work with 
TiddlyWiki, and get a sense of what folks can learn to do in a relatively 
brief time. I hope that some can come, as I know my students would 
appreciate it. If you are unable to view the livestream, I anticipate 
capturing each presentation as a distinct video, and building links to the 
presentations in the DesignWriteStudio wiki.

If anyone is interested in exploring collaborative opportunities to teach 
using TiddlyWiki, please be in touch. I'll be revamping my teaching 
materials this summer, as well as working on a number of projects to 
develop Tiddly textbooks (open educational resources using TiddlyWiki as a 
platform) and TiddlyWiki data collection and analysis tools. 

And thanks to all who helped out by responding to student requests during 
the past few months!

//steve.






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[tw5] Re: March Of The Androids -- Seeking Info On Your Usage

2018-04-18 Thread PMario
Needed to edit the post, since formatting was "damaged"
-m

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[tw5] Re: March Of The Androids -- Seeking Info On Your Usage

2018-04-18 Thread PMario
Hi Josiah, 

Your links show a paywall, once you visit the site the second time. .. 
Here's some free *phone based *data, which should do as well. 

SMARTPHONE INSTALLED BASE AT END OF 2017 BY OPERATING SYSTEM

RankOS2017 units share   2016 units   
share   2015 unitsshare
1 (1)   Android2,696 M81% 2,560 M  
80% 2,079 M   79%
   a  Pure Android/Play1,806 M54%
   b  Forked Android/AOSP890 M27%
2 (2)   iOS  612 M19%   602 M  
19%   505 M   19%
Others 8 M 0%31 M   
1%56 M2%
TOTAL  3,316 M3,193 
M  2,640 M

Source 
:
 
TomiAhonen Consulting 27 Feb 2018
This data may be freely used and repeated

-m

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[tw5] Re: March Of The Androids -- Seeking Info On Your Usage

2018-04-18 Thread PMario

On Monday, April 16, 2018 at 7:33:10 PM UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>
>
> ... I'm not sure that the latest versions of FF can use any of the save 
> extensions -- 
>

Hi, 

Firefox, TiddlyWiki with file-backups 
 plugin was 
the very first thing I tested on my shiny new device, that I got on 
Tuesday. *It works just fine \o/* ... It's the first android device I ever 
got. ... 

Some of you may know: I'm a "Nokia E90", "N9", "Ubuntu phone" type of guy 
;) which served me very well till now. ... 

TW will need a new theme, but that's a different story. 

have fun!
mario

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] preventing tiddler-links to break by using ids as reference that translate into titles

2018-04-18 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
If you're going to fix the problem with macros, then you could just create 
your own ID field with a regular distinct pattern ("A0001","A0002",ktc)

Then use a macro like (though more sophisticated than):

\define link(id desc) <$list 
filter="[search:id[$id$]limit[1]]"><$link>$desc$

And make your references like <>

Of course, then you have to remember to assign a unique id to anything that 
you plan to link to.

-- Mark

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Re: [tw5] Re: [TW5] preventing tiddler-links to break by using ids as reference that translate into titles

2018-04-18 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Mark

> But you still have to change all field references when you change a title, so 
> it seems like the same problem exists.

It’s much easier to whizz through all tiddlers looking for all the field names 
with a given prefix, and assign a new value, than it is to do a search and 
replace across the text field. The particular problem with search and replace 
is that it is very brittle. If I have a tiddler called “tiddler”, say, and 
rename it, I don’t want all the “<$tiddler>” widgets to also be reassigned.

> IF the auto update of "list and tag fields" that happens when changing 
> tiddler titles could be made to include other designated fields, (e.g. 
> matching link-*) then the fields would be updated automatically whenever a 
> corresponding title was changed.  

Exactly that, it would be a very modest extension of the existing relinking 
code.

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/blob/master/core/modules/wiki-bulkops.js
 


Best wishes

Jeremy.

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Re: [tw5] Re: [TW5] preventing tiddler-links to break by using ids as reference that translate into titles

2018-04-18 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki


On Wednesday, April 18, 2018 at 7:41:47 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
>
> With this arrangement, one avoids having literal tiddler links within the 
> text, and can instead manipulate the link fields very easily.
>
>
But you still have to change all field references when you change a title, 
so it seems like the same problem exists.

IF the auto update of "list and tag fields" that happens when changing 
tiddler titles could be made to include other designated fields, (e.g. 
matching link-*) then the fields would be updated automatically whenever a 
corresponding title was changed.  

Thanks,
-- Mark

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Re: [tw5] Re: [TW5] preventing tiddler-links to break by using ids as reference that translate into titles

2018-04-18 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Brady
> 
> Sorry I didn't get what you proposed (as well as @Miroslav Kalous). What 
> problem does it solve? Maybe some example will help. Thanks.
Perhaps my earlier reply helps?

> Can you compare the difficulty of
> preparing a new release of TiddlyWiki that deals with tiddlers (and other 
> building blocks) as objects that can be referenced independently on the user 
> text-fields? Same functionality as I mentioned above while talking about 
> Airtable interface.
Are you asking about the ability to refer to a tiddler by a field other than 
it’s title? 
> fixing broken links and functions (filters, lists, macros etc) on the fly 
> after the tiddler ID changed
Do you mean by using search and replace?
> Could you explain in more detail what is the difference between changing 
> tiddler title and tag name? What if I use a tiddler as a tag?
"Changing a tiddler title" actually means deleting it and recreating a new 
tiddler with the same fields but the new title. “Changing a tag name” means 
both:

* renaming a tiddler that is being used as a tag
* changing references to that tiddler in the “tags” field of other tiddlers

Best wishes

Jeremy

> Thank you.
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Re: [tw5] Re: [TW5] preventing tiddler-links to break by using ids as reference that translate into titles

2018-04-18 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Miroslav

> Jeremy, would you mind elaborating a bit further on the indirecting 
> workaround? From your short description I don't really understand how this 
> should work and be used (I am sorry my knowledge of TW is still limited). Do 
> you mean creating an arbitrary new field, i.e. named "link", and filling in 
> some number as its value? By "refer to them via a macro" you mean using the 
> macro in a place where a normal link with square brackets would normally be? 
> What if I change later the title ("The original document”).

Sorry for being cryptic. The idea is that:

* Links from one tiddler to another are represented as fields on the “from” 
tiddler whose name starts with “link-“ followed by a unique index, with the 
value of the field being the title of the target tiddler
* Links within the narrative text of the “from” tiddler are written via a macro 
that extracts the link target given the link index number, something along the 
line of:

\define link(number,text)
<$link to={{!!link-$number$}}>$text$
\end

With this arrangement, one avoids having literal tiddler links within the text, 
and can instead manipulate the link fields very easily.

> since the issue of Link Breakage is a perennial one, what about describing 
> existing workarounds and plugins on one page at tiddlywiki.com? It is 
> certainly an issue that deters some people from using TW (e.g. in 
> note-taking/Zettelkasten community). I am willing to put this page together - 
> but I don't get a lot of these workarounds yet. I can still prepare a draft 
> if somebody's gonna revise and finish and publish it.

The docs on tiddlywiki.com could certainly be improved, and we’d welcome 
contributions. I’m also open to improvements that make it easier to use both 
approaches:

* using the title field as a GUID and the caption field as the human readable 
title
* using search and replace to relink references to renamed titles

Best wishes

Jeremy.

> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, April 18, 2018 at 12:48:28 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
> Hi Brady
> 
> To clarify my earlier postings, my own view is that TiddlyWiki’s design in 
> the area of titles, IDs etc. is correct but incomplete.
> 
> Since the main thread we’ve added automated relinking of tags and lists, but 
> the big component that is still missing is a decent search and replace 
> operation that is syntactically aware; it can reliably find and replace all 
> the references to a tiddler (without being confused by plain text references 
> to the same text). Almost everything else that one might to change is within 
> the parts of TiddlyWiki’s UI that are expressed in wikitext.
> 
> In my own usage of TiddlyWiki I use a variety of techniques depending on the 
> situation. One technique that is useful when working with links embedded in 
> narrative text (as opposed to auto-generated links), is to indirect through a 
> field: put the target of a link in a field (eg, “link-0”, “link-1”, “link-2" 
> etc,) and then refer to them via a macro (eg, “< document’>>”).
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy.
> 
>> On 18 Apr 2018, at 11:31, Brady77 > wrote:
>> 
>> @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>> 
>> Part of the issue is the idea of creating a Tiddler gets easily conceptually 
>> confused with creating a data record. This is something I have written at 
>> length about--that TiddlyWiki is NOT a "card-index"--though you can make it 
>> look like one. 
>> 
>> Well, Josiah, I wasn't the one who came with the idea of creating a 
>> TiddlyWiki. Probably the best here would be asking Jeremy Ruston what was 
>> his initial vision and the intended usage of tiddlers and other basic 
>> building blocks. From your responses I feel I'm crossing some borders of 
>> fair-play when questioning basic functionality of the system. I really don't 
>> want to point at some dysfunction of the system that arises completely from 
>> my own misuse of TiddlyWiki. I'm well aware how much effort and time you 
>> spend to have a perfect system.  
>> 
>> Usually when you create a record in software it creates a unique protected 
>> ID for a new record separate from whatever its user fillable fields add.
>> 
>> This is exactly the behavior that I expected from TiddlyWiki. Let's have a 
>> look at the Airtable  app for instance that I use 
>> a lot for tabular data: Whenever you create a new record (a row in a table) 
>> it gets an internal ID that you don't see and cannot access for editing. You 
>> can even create an empty row in a table (that is perfectly correct)  and 
>> then create relationships from other tables just by pointing to the row. At 
>> the same time each table has a "key" column that is used to simplify the 
>> linking of records, searching or filtering. It is a fully functional 
>> structure to be modified to my needs. If you overwrite the value in the 
>> "key" cell than all the linked records in other tables are automatically 
>> updated as well. 
>>  
>> Not so with Tiddlers. 

[tw5] Re: [TW5] preventing tiddler-links to break by using ids as reference that translate into titles

2018-04-18 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki


On Wednesday, April 18, 2018 at 6:07:56 AM UTC-7, Brady77 wrote: 

>
> Could you explain in more detail what is the difference between changing 
> tiddler title and tag name? What if I use a tiddler as a tag?
>

This part *has *been automated. If  a tiddler title is the same as a tag 
name, and you change the title, a small dialogue will appear below the 
title field offering to change all the tags to reflect this change.

" Update ** to ** in the *tags* and *list* fields 
of other tiddlers"

Of course, it won't be able to change the tag name in any macros you 
previously invoked or defined with "MyOldTitle".

-- Mark

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Re: Re: [tw5] Re: [tw] Re: Material Theme for TW5 (sort of)

2018-04-18 Thread JD
Hey Bardy, 

On Thursday, April 12, 2018 at 11:15:26 AM UTC+9, bardy wrote:
>
> > would you mind trying out the updated theme on the main Tiddlywiki site, 
> or on Empty edition?
>
> hi, it's my pleasure
>
> just tried your current version 0.3.53 
> on both the main Tiddlywiki site and Empty edition
>
> I think everything is OK now.
>

That's great!

one thing:
> in the default Color theme
> the color of the "Save" button is highlighted, 
> and after making some change, the "Save" button is grayed out
>
> I think maybe it'd be more natural for an indicator 
> to be highlighted when there's change 
> and be grayed out when there's no change
>

This is a good observation, and I think this is because of how the theme is 
handling the save-wiki-dirty-indicator. I'd include consideration of this 
in an update (might be this weekend)


anyway I see this color can be simply changed at ControlPanel "Material 
> Tweak", "Colors of save-wiki dirty indicator on Tools sidebar"
> so it's not really a problem.
>

Yes, there's that, although I wish I could make it automatic hehe
 

another thing:
> to "Make it swipable / tappable"
> > Swipe from the left edge of the screen to open the sidebar (and from the 
> right edge of the screen to close it)
>
> on popular mobiles like Apple iPhones Safari this gesture is already used 
> as Back and Forward for navigation history
>
> maybe swipe from middle ... just a thought.
>

Oh, right! I'm not on iOS so I didn't even know about this. I'll look into 
BTC's HammerWidgets to see if enlarging the swipable area won't interfere 
with text selection. 

Thanks again!

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[tw5] Re: Material Theme for TW5 (sort of)

2018-04-18 Thread JD
Hi Maarten, sorry for the late rep! Have you found the root cause of this? 
I'm guessing there's a metrics tiddler (referenced by a stylesheet) that 
interferes with the stylesheet of this theme. 

I'm not trying to pry into your TW, but I'd like to inspect an empty 
version of the TW where this error is happening? If that's not too much to 
ask. We can continue this thread in PMs if you like 

On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 1:20:02 AM UTC+9, Maarten wrote:
>
> hi JD,
>
> nice work, but a strange thing: in one of my wikis (running on node,js) 
> the sidebar pushes the story away and both are visible. But in the other, 
> with (as far as I can discover ALL settings are the same), the sidebar 
> slides open but the story stays in the same place and is only partly 
> visible.
>
> Any idea what can cause this?
>
> Maarten
>
>
> On Monday, April 2, 2018 at 7:37:26 PM UTC+2, JD wrote:
>>
>> Hello folks, I've been playing around with Google's Material design and 
>> would like to share what I created so far... 
>>
>> http://j.d.material.tiddlyspot.com
>>
>> ...in hindsight, I think overwriting core image tiddlers (and "more 
>> tiddler actions" button) might not be the best way to go... So, for anybody 
>> who wants to try this out, there's that info for you. I'll probably cut 
>> those overwritten portions away in an update... 
>>
>> Oh. Please try out the palettes under Control Panel > Appearance > 
>> Material Tweaks, they're specifically designed for this theme...
>>
>> ***
>>
>> I've been testing this with the v.v. amazing Noteself fork with a 
>> Cloudant account (and the android app! So freaking cool)... The 
>> setup just made my life easier (I've been meaning to send some feedback 
>> but I've recently been very busy I'm sorry). 
>>
>> So, thanks, everyone. I've been enjoying my visits here in Google Groups. 
>> You guys are awesome innovators! I get shy just thinking about how little I 
>> can contribute... Y'all are some of the coolest forum-goers around. 
>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: How to tag separate paragraphs in different tiddlers and then transclude them?

2018-04-18 Thread JD
On Sunday, April 15, 2018 at 7:53:48 PM UTC+9, Vytas wrote:
>
> @JD
>
> In the process of enabling myself to customize your wonderful *paragraphs* 
> macro, I have analysed the code of it (actually, since I'm a newbie, it 
> took me a decent amount of effort). I'm glad I was able to more or less 
> understand it. Just one small question. If I get it correctly, you don't 
> need "textarea" in the following:
> 

[tw5] Re: HammerWidgets UPDATE

2018-04-18 Thread BurningTreeC

>
> Cool! 
>
> Is it just me, or am I getting a better performance on the Swipe gesture 
> with this update? 
>
>
thanks!

that's possible, I've changed a small part that handles swipe recognition

BTC

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[tw5] Re: HammerWidgets UPDATE

2018-04-18 Thread JD
Cool! 

Is it just me, or am I getting a better performance on the Swipe gesture 
with this update? 



On Wednesday, April 18, 2018 at 2:43:36 AM UTC+9, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I've updated all 5 hammer - widgets
>
> these are the changes:
>
>
>- improved stability
>- no "$" anymore in front of the widget attributes - before: <$swipe 
>$targets="mytargets" $actions="myactions">now: <$swipe 
>targets="mytargets" actions="myactions">
>- pan widget: now also stores the absolute coordinates (relative to 
>the top of the page) of the pointer in the state tiddler as absolute-x and 
>absolute-y
>- pan widget: also stores the top and left coordinates of the 
>element's ancestor as parent-y (top) and parent-x (left)
>- pan widget: changes in naming of the fields in the state tiddler:
>   - center-x becomes relative-x
>   - center-y becomes relative-y
>
>
> the most has been done for the pan widget. with the new values now it's 
> easier to move elements (even tiddlers) freely around
> examples and docs on http://hammerwidgets.tiddlyspot.com are updated
>
> BurningTreeC
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[tw5] Re: March Of The Androids -- Seeking Info On Your Usage

2018-04-18 Thread JD
Hi Josiah,

I'm somewhat new to TW5, and am not what might be considered a "power 
user". I use it mainly on my android phone with the Chrome app and the 
Noteself app. I'm not using a local server, I don't use Node (JS 
illiterate), everything's either online or locally-manipulated. Maybe I'm 
on the edge of the demographic that TW5 can't quite catch (app-centric, 
mobile folks). 

*Chrome for **Android* *(local file)*

Saving on Android Chrome is a pain in the ass. Everything goes to the 
default downloads folder, and the files can't be overwritten or renamed 
from within the browser. 

*Chrome for **Android** (tiddlyspot)*

I might be in the niche as a person who isn't always online. I use this for 
projects I intend to share, but it isn't my main driver. Android has this 
funny thing where background tasks get randomly killed. So, editing a 
tiddler, going to a resource-heavy music app, then returning to the 
browser, will refresh the tab. I've lost some of my writings this way. 

*Noteself Android app* ( and by extension, the webapp accessible via any 
browser )

This app is really great for my use-case. I can use TW during commute or 
when my phone isn't connected to the internet, go home, connect to the 
network, wait a few seconds for tiddlers to sync, and have it all available 
on Chrome for Desktop. The sync capability is almost instantaneous; it 
really works well. 

Now, because I use this as my main TW driver, I might as well list my few 
hurdles with it:

   - Initial sign-up for a Bluemix/Cloudant account is confusing. This is 
   needed for cross-platform sync.
   - The Bluemix/Cloudant ID is used in Noteself as the 
   *Username-for-signing-edits*. Great, if only the automatically-generated 
   Bluemix/Cloudant ID isn't a long string of letters and numbers. Editing the 
   *Username-for-signing-edits* tiddler doesn't help. It reverts on 
   app/browser refresh. I've simply learned to live with it.
   - I can't update plugins without uninstalling them first.  
   - If you're not using Vanilla theme, you'd have to wait a few seconds 
   for your selected theme to load.
   - On Noteself for Android, there is a default stylesheet that I have to 
   manually disable for mobile layouts to work correctly.
   - The storylist isn't synced cross-platform. I wish there's a setting to 
   enable this. 

Other: AndTidWiki - very slow on my Nexu6P, also sports an outdated 
interface

Hope this helps.




On Monday, April 16, 2018 at 8:54:00 PM UTC+9, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> *March of the Androids*: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUN78LgRfHE
>
> *Since the first quarter of 2011, Google’s mobile operating system 
> , Android, has 
> steadily increased its share of the global smartphone OS market. As of the 
> fourth quarter of 2016, Android leads the global market 
> 
>  
> with an 81.7 percent market share, while Apple’s iOS is second. Android is 
> also the most often used operating system for tablet computers 
> 
>  
> worldwide, with a 66 percent share of the global market in 2016.-- 
> *Statistics 
> Portal 
> 
>
> I'm hazy on how people actually use TiddlyWiki on Android Phones & 
> Tablets. 
>
> If you using Android I'd like to learn more about how you use it for 
> TiddlyWiki. Android is dominant in the mobile market in much of the world 
> so I think it makes sense to ensure its well addressed in TW. Currently I'm 
> not that clear how folk actually practically use TW with it. 
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] preventing tiddler-links to break by using ids as reference that translate into titles

2018-04-18 Thread Brady77
@PMario: 

I spent some time with the uni-link plugin to see how it works for me. 
First I have to say that it is very close to be a good workaround for 
"broken links" problem. I have a couple of questions. 

   1. In the advanced search
  - Can I use caption / subtitle values in the standard search tab?
  - Is it possible to display the results from the filter as a list of 
  captions / subtitles?
   2. I tried your "stant-01" theme as well. 
  - Is possible in the edit mode to show the tiddler title as a field 
  at the bottom and hide it at the top?
   
@ Mark.S
Point 2 is probably close to what you have mentioned earlier as well.

@ TonyM
Thanks for offering your help as well. I'm building my personal knowledge 
base to so I can be more effective at my job. I work as an network engineer 
and I'm dealing with quite complex information. Partly I have to deeply 
understand some networking topics, partly to remember some workflows 
(tutorials, how-tos, guides etc.). This knowledge changes quite often as 
the technology evolves and so I need my tiddlers to reflect those changes 
as well. This is especially true while studying something new: at the 
beginning I decide for a name of tiddler and later I realize that this name 
is completely wrong (just becase I knew almost nothing about the topic at 
the beginning). To put it simple: I need some flexibility to only at 
modifying the text field, but also by naming the tiddlers. I can certainly 
live with the uni-link plugin regarding the "broken-links" problem. But 
there are some important functions that lack the support for captions / 
subtitles (see my questions at the beginning). So we can discuss it further.

@Jeremy Ruston
Hi Jeremy! 

   1. Sorry I didn't get what you proposed (as well as @Miroslav Kalous). 
   What problem does it solve? Maybe some example will help. Thanks.
   2. Can you compare the difficulty of
  - preparing a new release of TiddlyWiki that deals with tiddlers (and 
  other building blocks) as objects that can be referenced independently on 
  the user text-fields? Same functionality as I mentioned above while 
talking 
  about Airtable interface.
  - fixing broken links and functions (filters, lists, macros etc) on 
  the fly after the tiddler ID changed
   3. Could you explain in more detail what is the difference between 
   changing tiddler title and tag name? What if I use a tiddler as a tag?

Thank you.

Petr

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[tw5] Re: HammerWidgets UPDATE

2018-04-18 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Ciao BTC

Just general comment on "touch tools" & "gestures". This is not observation 
on your excellent tuning of Hammer.js which is working well, I think. But 
has some bearing, I think, on its reception and documentation in TW.

I only just began to get my head round cross-platform issues. Its been 
quite difficult to differentiate what are intrinsic issues from 
implementation issues. Your latest works well so it easier to see the 
"problems"--well, better, "differences."

I try be brief ... 

-- there are some variations between platforms, due, probably, to their OS? 
One thing is the "gestures" tend to differ a bit. Its not so much a 
problem. But on each platform (& maybe browser too?) there is a kind of 
gestural finesse you need to learn (in your hand) to make the use seamless. 
I think that is a normal problem. iOS, Android & Windows do work a bit 
differently. 

-- finger/pen tap rate and mouse-clicks I think is an issue. I can click a 
mouse at speed. I can tap a pen only slightly slower. Finger is relatively 
sluggish. This can matter for practical usage on TAP. On desktop (mouse 
click) rate is a doddle, on tablet its not always (finger) perfect at the 
default speed. 


*Suggestion: Maybe a more upfront "performance tuner" for TAP Rate could 
help alleviate such issues between platforms?*
I'd like spend a moment on WINDOWS touch-tablets. Its quite a complex 
situation. On a SurfacePro 4 with Win10, for instance, you could be in 
"keyboard" (physical keyboard) mode, or "tablet only" mode--and in both 
cases either with or without a mouse and, or, a stylus. Too many 
combinations to test thoroughly. But...

-- PINCH looks unworkable as the OS, I think, reserves it as basic to its 
own working for global sizing;
-- PRESS (for the sound in your example) doesn't work reliably. Sometimes 
it does. Sometimes it doesn't. I will try it in other browsers than FF to 
check if its an OS or browser issue.
-- SWIPE works as expected
-- PAN works well. BUT you need learn a specific gesture in some 
circumstances so as override the OS default behaviour first. If you want 
more info on this issue let me know.

On Windows 7 touchless Desktop, as expected I could make everything work 
except pinch, (which desktops, basically, don't support).

I think the point in this, without having to get bogged down in a million 
variants, is simply to document that
* you need to play a bit on each platform/browser combo to finesse its 
exact gestures.*
Best wishes
Josiah

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Re: [tw5] Re: [TW5] preventing tiddler-links to break by using ids as reference that translate into titles

2018-04-18 Thread Miroslav Kalous
Jeremy, would you mind elaborating a bit further on the indirecting 
workaround? From your short description I don't really understand how this 
should work and be used (I am sorry my knowledge of TW is still limited). 
Do you mean creating an arbitrary new field, i.e. named "link", and filling 
in some number as its value? By "refer to them via a macro" you mean using 
the macro in a place where a normal link with square brackets would 
normally be? What if I change later the title ("The original document").

Moreover, 

since the issue of Link Breakage is a perennial one, what about *describing 
existing workarounds and plugins on one page at tiddlywiki.com*? It is 
certainly an issue that deters some people from using TW (e.g. in 
note-taking/Zettelkasten community). I am willing to put this page together 
- but I don't get a lot of these workarounds yet. I can still prepare a 
draft if somebody's gonna revise and finish and publish it.




On Wednesday, April 18, 2018 at 12:48:28 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Brady
>
> To clarify my earlier postings, my own view is that TiddlyWiki’s design in 
> the area of titles, IDs etc. is correct but incomplete.
>
> Since the main thread we’ve added automated relinking of tags and lists, 
> but the big component that is still missing is a decent search and replace 
> operation that is syntactically aware; it can reliably find and replace all 
> the references to a tiddler (without being confused by plain text 
> references to the same text). Almost everything else that one might to 
> change is within the parts of TiddlyWiki’s UI that are expressed in 
> wikitext.
>
> In my own usage of TiddlyWiki I use a variety of techniques depending on 
> the situation. One technique that is useful when working with links 
> embedded in narrative text (as opposed to auto-generated links), is to 
> indirect through a field: put the target of a link in a field (eg, 
> “link-0”, “link-1”, “link-2" etc,) and then refer to them via a macro (eg, 
> “<>”).
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
> On 18 Apr 2018, at 11:31, Brady77  wrote:
>
> @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>>
>> Part of the issue is the idea of creating a Tiddler gets easily 
>> conceptually confused with creating a data record. This is something I have 
>> written at length about--that TiddlyWiki is NOT a "card-index"--though you 
>> can make it look like one. 
>>
>
> Well, Josiah, I wasn't the one who came with the idea of creating a 
> TiddlyWiki. Probably the best here would be asking Jeremy Ruston what was 
> his initial vision and the intended usage of tiddlers and other basic 
> building blocks. From your responses I feel I'm crossing some borders of 
> fair-play when questioning basic functionality of the system. I really 
> don't want to point at some *dysfunction *of the system that arises 
> completely from *my own misuse of TiddlyWiki*. I'm well aware how much 
> effort and time you spend to have a perfect system.  
>
> Usually when you create a record in software it creates a unique protected 
>> ID for a new record separate from whatever its user fillable fields add.
>
>
> This is exactly the behavior that I expected from TiddlyWiki. Let's have a 
> look at the Airtable  app for instance that I 
> use a lot for tabular data: Whenever you create a new record (a row in a 
> table) it gets an internal ID that you don't see and cannot access for 
> editing. You can even create an empty row in a table (that is perfectly 
> correct)  and then create relationships from other tables just by pointing 
> to the row. At the same time each table has a "key" column that is used to 
> simplify the linking of records, searching or filtering. It is a fully 
> functional structure to be modified to my needs. If you overwrite the value 
> in the "key" cell than all the linked records in other tables are 
> automatically updated as well. 
>  
>
>> Not so with Tiddlers. The "title" IS the ID. On the one hand its flexibly 
>> lightweight. On the other hand it adds complications. Especially if you 
>> need extensive inter-linking and need to change titling as you go along. As 
>> far as I understand it, within the current basic architecture, 
>> fundamentally changing that behaviour is not possible. So its more about 
>> accepting it or finding ways round it.
>>
>
> I see. Maybe some quick analysis by the system architect will help to 
> express 
>
>- the amount of work to bring this flexibility
>- the consequences on your plugins etc.
>
> Thanks again for spending your time and the patience you have with me, 
> Josiah (and others as well).
>
> Petr
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Re: [tw5] Re: [TW5] preventing tiddler-links to break by using ids as reference that translate into titles

2018-04-18 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Brady

To clarify my earlier postings, my own view is that TiddlyWiki’s design in the 
area of titles, IDs etc. is correct but incomplete.

Since the main thread we’ve added automated relinking of tags and lists, but 
the big component that is still missing is a decent search and replace 
operation that is syntactically aware; it can reliably find and replace all the 
references to a tiddler (without being confused by plain text references to the 
same text). Almost everything else that one might to change is within the parts 
of TiddlyWiki’s UI that are expressed in wikitext.

In my own usage of TiddlyWiki I use a variety of techniques depending on the 
situation. One technique that is useful when working with links embedded in 
narrative text (as opposed to auto-generated links), is to indirect through a 
field: put the target of a link in a field (eg, “link-0”, “link-1”, “link-2" 
etc,) and then refer to them via a macro (eg, “<>”).

Best wishes

Jeremy.

> On 18 Apr 2018, at 11:31, Brady77  wrote:
> 
> @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
> 
> Part of the issue is the idea of creating a Tiddler gets easily conceptually 
> confused with creating a data record. This is something I have written at 
> length about--that TiddlyWiki is NOT a "card-index"--though you can make it 
> look like one. 
> 
> Well, Josiah, I wasn't the one who came with the idea of creating a 
> TiddlyWiki. Probably the best here would be asking Jeremy Ruston what was his 
> initial vision and the intended usage of tiddlers and other basic building 
> blocks. From your responses I feel I'm crossing some borders of fair-play 
> when questioning basic functionality of the system. I really don't want to 
> point at some dysfunction of the system that arises completely from my own 
> misuse of TiddlyWiki. I'm well aware how much effort and time you spend to 
> have a perfect system.  
> 
> Usually when you create a record in software it creates a unique protected ID 
> for a new record separate from whatever its user fillable fields add.
> 
> This is exactly the behavior that I expected from TiddlyWiki. Let's have a 
> look at the Airtable  app for instance that I use a 
> lot for tabular data: Whenever you create a new record (a row in a table) it 
> gets an internal ID that you don't see and cannot access for editing. You can 
> even create an empty row in a table (that is perfectly correct)  and then 
> create relationships from other tables just by pointing to the row. At the 
> same time each table has a "key" column that is used to simplify the linking 
> of records, searching or filtering. It is a fully functional structure to be 
> modified to my needs. If you overwrite the value in the "key" cell than all 
> the linked records in other tables are automatically updated as well. 
>  
> Not so with Tiddlers. The "title" IS the ID. On the one hand its flexibly 
> lightweight. On the other hand it adds complications. Especially if you need 
> extensive inter-linking and need to change titling as you go along. As far as 
> I understand it, within the current basic architecture, fundamentally 
> changing that behaviour is not possible. So its more about accepting it or 
> finding ways round it.
> 
> I see. Maybe some quick analysis by the system architect will help to express 
> the amount of work to bring this flexibility
> the consequences on your plugins etc.
> Thanks again for spending your time and the patience you have with me, Josiah 
> (and others as well).
> 
> Petr
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[tw5] Re: [TW5] preventing tiddler-links to break by using ids as reference that translate into titles

2018-04-18 Thread Brady77
@TiddlyTweeter wrote:

>
> Part of the issue is the idea of creating a Tiddler gets easily 
> conceptually confused with creating a data record. This is something I have 
> written at length about--that TiddlyWiki is NOT a "card-index"--though you 
> can make it look like one. 
>

Well, Josiah, I wasn't the one who came with the idea of creating a 
TiddlyWiki. Probably the best here would be asking Jeremy Ruston what was 
his initial vision and the intended usage of tiddlers and other basic 
building blocks. From your responses I feel I'm crossing some borders of 
fair-play when questioning basic functionality of the system. I really 
don't want to point at some *dysfunction *of the system that arises 
completely from *my own misuse of TiddlyWiki*. I'm well aware how much 
effort and time you spend to have a perfect system.  

Usually when you create a record in software it creates a unique protected 
> ID for a new record separate from whatever its user fillable fields add.


This is exactly the behavior that I expected from TiddlyWiki. Let's have a 
look at the Airtable  app for instance that I use 
a lot for tabular data: Whenever you create a new record (a row in a table) 
it gets an internal ID that you don't see and cannot access for 
editing. You can even create an empty row in a table (that is perfectly 
correct)  and then create relationships from other tables just by pointing 
to the row. At the same time each table has a "key" column that is used to 
simplify the linking of records, searching or filtering. It is a fully 
functional structure to be modified to my needs. If you overwrite the value 
in the "key" cell than all the linked records in other tables are 
automatically updated as well. 
 

> Not so with Tiddlers. The "title" IS the ID. On the one hand its flexibly 
> lightweight. On the other hand it adds complications. Especially if you 
> need extensive inter-linking and need to change titling as you go along. As 
> far as I understand it, within the current basic architecture, 
> fundamentally changing that behaviour is not possible. So its more about 
> accepting it or finding ways round it.
>

I see. Maybe some quick analysis by the system architect will help to 
express 

   - the amount of work to bring this flexibility
   - the consequences on your plugins etc.

Thanks again for spending your time and the patience you have with me, 
Josiah (and others as well).

Petr

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Re: [tw5] Re: PHP Post mechanism for Feedback, Tasks and cooperation

2018-04-18 Thread xanatoswetzel
Hi Jan,

the best I would do is to separate  the fields in different questions to 
the user:

1.



title:>>
Created: 
Info1 wanted from user: 
Body: 




2. The post.php 

http://php.net/manual/en/language.types.string.php
$content= <<

That should do the trick.

the time and day of the user send data can also be calculated, in php /  
tiddlywiki 

php: look at http://php.net/manual/en/function.date.php
tiddlywiki look at: https://tiddlywiki.com/#now%20Macro

QuaraMan

Am Mittwoch, 18. April 2018 01:42:38 UTC+2 schrieb Jan:
>
> Hello and thanks Quaraman,
> how can I get the missing characters (is it /n) in to the file if the 
> form? 
> I guess it is the wikifikation that causes the trouble but without nothing 
> gets inserted at all...
>
> Jan
>
>
>
>
> Am 18.04.2018 um 00:38 schrieb xanato...@gmail.com:
>
> Hello Jan,
>
> the .tid file format is as follows (between the - lines):
>
> 
> field1: value of field1
> field2: value of field2
>
> content of tiddler
> -
>
> so your file is only one line long.
> the import process can also not finish, because it sees a tiddler with one 
> field.
>
> hope that helps.
> quaraman
>
> Am Dienstag, 17. April 2018 23:57:20 UTC+2 schrieb Jan: 
>>
>> Hello, 
>> I have been seeking for a method to allow students to post contributions 
>> in the form that I easily can import as a Tiddler. 
>> Now finally I built a very basic mechanism to post a Tiddler to a 
>> directory called post as a tid. 
>>
>> It consists of two parts 
>>
>> 1. The Upload-button (which is trancluded by a viewTemplate 
>> \define ExportTid() {{$(storyTiddler)$||$:/core/templates/tid-tiddler}} 
>>
>> <$wikify name="ExTid"  text=<> > 
>>  
>> title:> value=<>> 
>> tiddler:> 
>> > 
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>
>>
>> 2. The post.php 
>> > $title = $_POST['title']; 
>> $content = $_POST['content']; 
>> $postfile = fopen('post/'.$title.'.tid', "w") or die("Unable to open 
>> file!"); 
>> fwrite($postfile, $content); 
>> fclose($postfile); 
>> ?> 
>>
>> So far it generates a Tid which looks like exactly like the an exported 
>> .Tid-file but appear to empty when importing it to TW. 
>> And it closes the wiki. 
>>
>> So there is still a quite bunch of Questions to be solved: 
>>
>> 1. What is wrong with my .tid file? 
>> 2. How do I avoid the TW form being closed when calling the php? 
>> 3. Is there a way to trigger a TW-action with the same click that 
>> submits the form? 
>> 4. (a php-question)How can I avoid beeing pwned by someone inducing a 
>> php through this mechanism. 
>> I hope you can help me solving these things... 
>>
>> Jan 
>>
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Re: [tw5] HammerWidgets UPDATE

2018-04-18 Thread Jan

Hi Simon,
I guess the bottom-right edge would be sufficient...and perhaps it only 
adjusts the width leaving height to auto.


I guess you already encountered Jeremies kind of secret cecilyView 
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/tree/master/plugins/tiddlywiki/cecily

Perhaps the panfunction could be used to make it work at last...

Ahoi
Jan






Am 18.04.2018 um 10:00 schrieb BurningTreeC:


Hi Simon,
the Pinboard-Demo is absolutely stunning. I would love to see more
of that.

It would be perfect if
*you could drag-resize the Images at the same time.
*and if there was a drag mechanism to add Tiddlers.


Thanks again for this great piece of work.

Jan

Thank you Jan, how do you imagine the drag-to-add-tiddlers and the 
drag-resize mechanisms?


with drag-resize, do you mean the ability to resize when gripping the 
image/div at its edges and dragging?


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Re: [tw5] HammerWidgets UPDATE

2018-04-18 Thread BurningTreeC

>
> Hi Simon, 
> the Pinboard-Demo is absolutely stunning. I would love to see more of 
> that. 
>
> It would be perfect if 
> *you could drag-resize the Images at the same time. 
> *and if there was a drag mechanism to add Tiddlers. 
>
>
> Thanks again for this great piece of work.
>
> Jan
>
> Thank you Jan, how do you imagine the drag-to-add-tiddlers and the 
drag-resize mechanisms?

with drag-resize, do you mean the ability to resize when gripping the 
image/div at its edges and dragging?

Simon 

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[tw5] Re: HammerWidgets UPDATE

2018-04-18 Thread BurningTreeC

>
> Quick note. The performance also seems a lot better. Reliability on 
> non-touch desktops much improved.
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>

Thanks Josiah! 

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] preventing tiddler-links to break by using ids as reference that translate into titles

2018-04-18 Thread TonyM
Brady et al..

I find this discussion quite interesting because this issue is never one I 
am concerned about. Using the uni-link plugin also seems to solve all other 
cases I can imagine. Is it because I am really good at selecting Titles or 
the fact I usually establish relationships through other mechanisms such as 
tagging? I can personally see applications where I would establish fields 
and or tagging to handle tiddlers with a large number of related tiddlers 
such as adding paragraph and chapter values so including tiddlers or 
relationships uses a programmatic method which does not care about the 
tiddlers title to work and thus can be renamed without damage.

Can you describe what kind of use or method you have that is making your 
solution title sensitive and I may be able to suggest an alternative?

I typically only transclude in a tiddler {{tiddlername}} if it is code or 
systems design where I do not care what the name is, only that I have the 
correct name. If I Found my self with [[no longer appropriate title to 
appear in text]] I would use  [[newtitle|no longer appropriate title to 
appear in text]] as Mario suggested, or I would rename the tiddler and its 
reference(s). This is not a problem if it is occasional and if it was a 
problem because the item was referred to in many places I would find a 
programmatic way to implement it.

Lets also consider, what If I am using a large set of titles I expect may 
need lots of renaming, I can use the pretty link, caption or uni-links 
plugin to help (I find this hard to believe this is not enough), but if I 
had this problem, then I would find a programmatic solution to this. You 
could use an intermediate Glossary as an index to the original tiddler 
using a unique value in a field, then use macros to insert the tiddler what 
ever its name.

What I say is if and when you are inserting into a tiddler a Link or 
Transclusion to another tiddler ask your self could I possibly need to 
change the name, not only here but in many places then just do not do it, 
find another solution.

Please define the occasions where this is occurring and let me suggest a 
solution. I love these kinds of challenges, and I seem not to have the 
problem you are voicing.

Regards
Tony



 


On Wednesday, April 18, 2018 at 4:47:40 AM UTC+10, Brady77 wrote:
>
>
> Jed Carty wrote:
>>
>> I don't really see the need for it to be immutable, so that point isn't 
>> universally agreed upon. There are a number of things in tiddlywiki that 
>> are done by overwriting a tiddler based on the name. Almost any time you 
>> change a setting that has a default value in the core you create a new 
>> tiddler that has the same name as the core tiddler. 
>>
>
> You are right Jed. It was premature to state that. 
>  
>
>> While tiddlywiki can be used as a database it isn't a database. For 
>> everything I do relationships between tiddlers are handled using tags and 
>> other fields to generate the needed links or relationships, the names 
>> almost never come into it.
>>
>
> According to the official documentation (Philosophy of Tiddlers 
>  and Structuring 
> TiddlyWiki ) there are 
> five basic building blocks to structure the Wiki:
>
>1. Tiddlers  - only 
>field that is required is the title field
>2. TiddlerLinks  - 
>link to a tiddler by title [[Tiddler Title]]
>3. Tagging  - "A tag is in fact just 
>a tiddler (or a potential tiddler), and it can have tags of its own. You 
>can add any number of tags to the same tiddler." - If tag is internally a 
>tiddler then 1. applies
>4. Title Lists  - "A title list 
>is a line of text that presents one or more tiddler titles" - is based on 
>tiddler titles
>5. DataTiddlers  - named 
>properties are accessed by referencing the data tiddler title again
>
> I didn't examine any important functions (like searching etc) but so far 
> it is obvious that the tiddler title should not be modified not just 
> because of the links, but because of other building blocks as well. It is 
> true at the same time that there are special cases when it is desirable to 
> change or set the tiddler title (as Josiah stated above).
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