Hi Brady To clarify my earlier postings, my own view is that TiddlyWiki’s design in the area of titles, IDs etc. is correct but incomplete.
Since the main thread we’ve added automated relinking of tags and lists, but the big component that is still missing is a decent search and replace operation that is syntactically aware; it can reliably find and replace all the references to a tiddler (without being confused by plain text references to the same text). Almost everything else that one might to change is within the parts of TiddlyWiki’s UI that are expressed in wikitext. In my own usage of TiddlyWiki I use a variety of techniques depending on the situation. One technique that is useful when working with links embedded in narrative text (as opposed to auto-generated links), is to indirect through a field: put the target of a link in a field (eg, “link-0”, “link-1”, “link-2" etc,) and then refer to them via a macro (eg, “<<link 43 ‘The original document’>>”). Best wishes Jeremy. > On 18 Apr 2018, at 11:31, Brady77 <[email protected]> wrote: > > @TiddlyTweeter wrote: > > Part of the issue is the idea of creating a Tiddler gets easily conceptually > confused with creating a data record. This is something I have written at > length about--that TiddlyWiki is NOT a "card-index"--though you can make it > look like one. > > Well, Josiah, I wasn't the one who came with the idea of creating a > TiddlyWiki. Probably the best here would be asking Jeremy Ruston what was his > initial vision and the intended usage of tiddlers and other basic building > blocks. From your responses I feel I'm crossing some borders of fair-play > when questioning basic functionality of the system. I really don't want to > point at some dysfunction of the system that arises completely from my own > misuse of TiddlyWiki. I'm well aware how much effort and time you spend to > have a perfect system. > > Usually when you create a record in software it creates a unique protected ID > for a new record separate from whatever its user fillable fields add. > > This is exactly the behavior that I expected from TiddlyWiki. Let's have a > look at the Airtable <http://www.airtable.com/> app for instance that I use a > lot for tabular data: Whenever you create a new record (a row in a table) it > gets an internal ID that you don't see and cannot access for editing. You can > even create an empty row in a table (that is perfectly correct) and then > create relationships from other tables just by pointing to the row. At the > same time each table has a "key" column that is used to simplify the linking > of records, searching or filtering. It is a fully functional structure to be > modified to my needs. If you overwrite the value in the "key" cell than all > the linked records in other tables are automatically updated as well. > > Not so with Tiddlers. The "title" IS the ID. On the one hand its flexibly > lightweight. On the other hand it adds complications. Especially if you need > extensive inter-linking and need to change titling as you go along. As far as > I understand it, within the current basic architecture, fundamentally > changing that behaviour is not possible. So its more about accepting it or > finding ways round it. > > I see. Maybe some quick analysis by the system architect will help to express > the amount of work to bring this flexibility > the consequences on your plugins etc. > Thanks again for spending your time and the patience you have with me, Josiah > (and others as well). > > Petr > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TiddlyWiki" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki > <https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/69853bd3-6ad8-4e5b-9340-41b3bc0d5c5a%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/69853bd3-6ad8-4e5b-9340-41b3bc0d5c5a%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/D0C933B9-DD8A-4F40-B4FF-E1F92A4A9099%40gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
