[tw5] Re: RFC Request for Comment - color intuitions

[TW Tones]

Another possible feedback

It you are aware, there is a changecount value added to, with each change 
of a tiddler in the current session. A Simple icon with 1-9 then + on 
tiddlers who have a change count value quickly displays which ones you are 
editing a lot in the current session. 

We can also review which tiddlers are in the current history list whether 
they are still open or not.


Regards
Tones

On Tuesday, 1 September 2020 10:39:37 UTC+10, TW Tones wrote:
>
> Brian,
>
> Nice to hear a contra-view however;
>
>- No solution like the one discussed would be compulsory and unlikely 
>even in the standard distribution
>- In some ways I am proposing a defacto standard that a number of 
>people agree to, you use it if you want too
>- All elements should be selectable, and as I proposed they need to be 
>subtle.
>- Whilst I think developers may love it, I disagree with the 
>suggestion that new users would not benefit from this, or even innocent 
>users of a website that happens to be tiddlywiki.
>   - The reason is people do respond to subtle information even if not 
>   consciously
>   - The information should be of use to the user but we do not always 
>   know what is useful to the user ahead of time.
>   - Tags and view templates, title and groups or lists all can be of 
>   relevance to the user because that is the way tiddlywiki works
>   - Just as someone can choose a theme, they can a choose rich 
>   highlight mode or not
>  - I would argue, even promote such a solution that it would have 
>  far less impact on a user than changing the theme.
>   - You are saying "not outside there content", but I am suggesting 
>bringing out hidden content, in ever so subtle ways.
>
> I did not put the argument in my suggestion, but there is a science and 
> cognitive basis to my proposal. One that recognises that humans can extract 
> information even collected subconsciously, if that information is 
> observable.  There is also a driver in the human mind to abstract knowledge 
> then apply it in different places - this is a key feature of creativity.
>
> if any of this kind of styling were added to the default install, I would 
>> hope that they are not active by default, but made easily discoverable in 
>> the Control Panel by someone who is interested in having more meta 
>> information readily available.
>
>
> Of course, but time will tell if it is an advantage to the naive, new user.
>
> Regards
> Tones  
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, 1 September 2020 04:48:40 UTC+10, Brian Radspinner wrote:
>>
>> I really like this as an idea for a *developer's plugin*, but *not as 
>> default styling*. IMO, most of the mentioned styling is superfluous and 
>> distracting to a new user, or one who doesn't plan on using TW as a 
>> development platform. 
>>
>> If the idea that all tiddlers are just components that are technically 
>> all at the same level and can change levels at any time, I don't like the 
>> idea of making tiddlers look different outside of their content based on an 
>> individual's needs. System tiddlers are already separated by their titles 
>> and being relatively hidden, additional visual cues are redundant; unless 
>> you have a specific need to have a specific group of system tiddlers stand 
>> out for your own personal needs.
>>
>> If any of this kind of styling were added to the default install, I would 
>> hope that they are not active by default, but made easily discoverable in 
>> the Control Panel by someone who is interested in having more meta 
>> information readily available.
>> On Monday, August 31, 2020 at 3:27:44 AM UTC-7 PMario wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Foks,
>>>
>>> Since there are different elements shown. I did an experiment some time 
>>> ago for a different thread, that defined some colors for TW tables. 
>>>
>>> I'm kind of proud about the idea for styling different elements _and_ 
>>> areas within a TW table. 
>>>
>>> The example used hardcoded styling, which is acitve as soon as a tiddler 
>>> is visible. ... So the user "className" must be unique. 
>>>
>>> Examples attached. 
>>>
>>> Link to: Original thread 
>>> .
>>>
>>> have fun!
>>> mario
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Life timeline

[TW Tones]

Ed,

Yes fuzzy dates are as much to deal with fuzzy human memory. There is no 
reason why we cant add things with more or less detail, as long as the way 
we interrogate the information is meaningful, other fuzzy aspects is you 
may not remember someones engagement date, but you may know it was before 
their marriage in the same year (or mealy before) for which you do have a 
date. Being able to record this fact before all details are available, and 
may never be available, is critical to tolerating missing information and 
allowing us to be fuzzy.

As I have said elsewhere being able to avoid loosing information, or 
encoding what information we have so far, is essential to extending the 
capabilities of ones wiki. For example if you remember the engagement was 
of importance, and you remember something about it, you want to record it 
and all you know about the date is "it was before the wedding" obvious I 
know, you should be able to capture the information, not represent it as a 
false date.

The fact is if you capture fuzzy information, it can facilitate the 
discovery of the real information, perhaps you remember it was just before 
your birthday, so now you can refine it more, and then looking in your 
diary just before your birthday you get the exact date.

I think the method is to find away to capture what you know in a frame work 
where you can interrogate it further. I would have milestone, events and 
periods, and an event has only one tiddler, and multiple levels of detail, 
eg: a year and month tag but no date, then when you find the real date you 
can remove the year and month tags because this information is in the date. 
Even your college years could be a single tiddler, with a date range, and 
this can become something you use for a fuzzy date. I Met him in college 
but don't recall when the date for the person tiddler is met in college 
date range, until something helps you realise it was in year two.

I imagine a hierarchy of decades and years within, and months within and 
days of month or days of weeks within them, and you get as precise, but 
only as precise as you can. The date hierarchy never changes so its stable, 
the more detail you have the path back to the root can be found.

I think the TOCP plugin is good for this.

Regards
Tony

On Wednesday, 2 September 2020 13:35:40 UTC+10, Ed Heil wrote:
>
> Yeah, it is potentially a big issue, and I'm successfully avoiding it  now 
> by just attaching events to a year tag. :)
>
> I suppose you could make fuzzy dates tiddlers of their own, and give them 
> fields which describe. the space they cover.  How?  A central point and a 
> halo of fuzziness? A start and end date which implies "the actual is 
> sometime in here"? 
>
> Sometimes you'd want to know about the date as if it were a point (perhaps 
> at the center of the range), but sometimes you'd want to know about the 
> date as if it were a span, maybe depending on how you wanted to visualize 
> it?
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 10:03:49 PM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Ed,
>>
>> I have a long term goal to do this, and building that reference needs 
>> "Fuzzy dates" and yes making a timeline important.
>>
>> In someways its too large a subject, but I will be happy to contribute to 
>> focused aspects to do this. 
>>
>> It would also help researchers, historians and biographers.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, 2 September 2020 02:32:34 UTC+10, Ed Heil wrote:
>>>
>>> Looking for advice on how to raise my game on one of my first 
>>> tiddlywikis ever.
>>>
>>> It's a timeline of life events, so I can go back and answer my questions 
>>> like "what grade was I in when that happened?  When did I move there?  When 
>>> did I meet them?".
>>>
>>> It started out as just a textual list, with some links.  Then I learned 
>>> about tagging and stuff, and I ended up making a tiddler for each year and 
>>> tagging the events to that tiddler (so I can rearrange them in the correct 
>>> order thanks to the magic of list fields).
>>>
>>> I have not done anything more than "attaching events to a given year 
>>> tiddler" as far as assigning dates.  I'd like to actually put dates in a 
>>> field, but I often don't have real date data, like I know something 
>>> happened in "1980" or "late 1980" or "fall 1980" or "september 1980" or 
>>> something like that.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions on handling that sort of thing?
>>>
>>> The technique I have, of just assigning things to years and arranging 
>>> them manually in order, actually works fine.  It doesn't allow me to do 
>>> things like use the timeline visualization plugin, which would be pretty 
>>> neat, but that's not the most important thing.
>>>
>>> I guess I'm just wondering whether anybody has best practices or hints 
>>> on handling dates of widely varying precision.
>>>
>>> I haven't touched this TW in a while so it's kind of fun looking at how 
>>> I used to do things just a few months ago, and what I've learned since 
>>> 

[tw5] Re: Life timeline

[Ed Heil]

Yeah, it is potentially a big issue, and I'm successfully avoiding it  now 
by just attaching events to a year tag. :)

I suppose you could make fuzzy dates tiddlers of their own, and give them 
fields which describe. the space they cover.  How?  A central point and a 
halo of fuzziness? A start and end date which implies "the actual is 
sometime in here"? 

Sometimes you'd want to know about the date as if it were a point (perhaps 
at the center of the range), but sometimes you'd want to know about the 
date as if it were a span, maybe depending on how you wanted to visualize 
it?



On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 10:03:49 PM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote:

> Ed,
>
> I have a long term goal to do this, and building that reference needs 
> "Fuzzy dates" and yes making a timeline important.
>
> In someways its too large a subject, but I will be happy to contribute to 
> focused aspects to do this. 
>
> It would also help researchers, historians and biographers.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
> On Wednesday, 2 September 2020 02:32:34 UTC+10, Ed Heil wrote:
>>
>> Looking for advice on how to raise my game on one of my first tiddlywikis 
>> ever.
>>
>> It's a timeline of life events, so I can go back and answer my questions 
>> like "what grade was I in when that happened?  When did I move there?  When 
>> did I meet them?".
>>
>> It started out as just a textual list, with some links.  Then I learned 
>> about tagging and stuff, and I ended up making a tiddler for each year and 
>> tagging the events to that tiddler (so I can rearrange them in the correct 
>> order thanks to the magic of list fields).
>>
>> I have not done anything more than "attaching events to a given year 
>> tiddler" as far as assigning dates.  I'd like to actually put dates in a 
>> field, but I often don't have real date data, like I know something 
>> happened in "1980" or "late 1980" or "fall 1980" or "september 1980" or 
>> something like that.
>>
>> Any suggestions on handling that sort of thing?
>>
>> The technique I have, of just assigning things to years and arranging 
>> them manually in order, actually works fine.  It doesn't allow me to do 
>> things like use the timeline visualization plugin, which would be pretty 
>> neat, but that's not the most important thing.
>>
>> I guess I'm just wondering whether anybody has best practices or hints on 
>> handling dates of widely varying precision.
>>
>> I haven't touched this TW in a while so it's kind of fun looking at how I 
>> used to do things just a few months ago, and what I've learned since then! 
>>  (E.g. i used to make heavy use of WikiWords but that passed by the 
>> wayside)
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: How to transclude raw contents of a shadow tiddler

[TW Tones]

Talha

Your welcome, 

by the way

I said how 

To find the original content you can use the subtiddlerfields operator 
 but you need to know 
the plugin it belongs to
Since we "*need to know the plugin it belongs to*“

If you know the plugin eg core, [[$:/core]plugintiddlers[]]
Helps you find the "shadow" tiddlers within it

But if you know the shadow tiddler
and want to find its plugin source use the shadowsource operator 


Regards
Tony


On Tuesday, 1 September 2020 22:39:34 UTC+10, talha131 wrote:
>
> Keep in mind that the editor preview has an option to compare the current 
> overridden shadow with the shadow
>
> Thank you Tones. This is valuable. I was not aware of this feature.
> ​
>

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[tw5] Re: Life timeline

[TW Tones]

Ed,

I have a long term goal to do this, and building that reference needs 
"Fuzzy dates" and yes making a timeline important.

In someways its too large a subject, but I will be happy to contribute to 
focused aspects to do this. 

It would also help researchers, historians and biographers.

Regards
Tony


On Wednesday, 2 September 2020 02:32:34 UTC+10, Ed Heil wrote:
>
> Looking for advice on how to raise my game on one of my first tiddlywikis 
> ever.
>
> It's a timeline of life events, so I can go back and answer my questions 
> like "what grade was I in when that happened?  When did I move there?  When 
> did I meet them?".
>
> It started out as just a textual list, with some links.  Then I learned 
> about tagging and stuff, and I ended up making a tiddler for each year and 
> tagging the events to that tiddler (so I can rearrange them in the correct 
> order thanks to the magic of list fields).
>
> I have not done anything more than "attaching events to a given year 
> tiddler" as far as assigning dates.  I'd like to actually put dates in a 
> field, but I often don't have real date data, like I know something 
> happened in "1980" or "late 1980" or "fall 1980" or "september 1980" or 
> something like that.
>
> Any suggestions on handling that sort of thing?
>
> The technique I have, of just assigning things to years and arranging them 
> manually in order, actually works fine.  It doesn't allow me to do things 
> like use the timeline visualization plugin, which would be pretty neat, but 
> that's not the most important thing.
>
> I guess I'm just wondering whether anybody has best practices or hints on 
> handling dates of widely varying precision.
>
> I haven't touched this TW in a while so it's kind of fun looking at how I 
> used to do things just a few months ago, and what I've learned since then! 
>  (E.g. i used to make heavy use of WikiWords but that passed by the 
> wayside)
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: [OT] Video comparing other note taking tools

[TW Tones]

Bimlas,

If you read my reply to Mat, you may see how my view perhaps diverges from 
yours.

However much of what you say points to areas where some effort will be of 
value. 

Only now am I coming to question the value of TiddlyWiki becoming famous.

   - Aiming at the average user is possibly a path to the mediocre.
   - Fame should be the result of good works, not fame in its own right

Where I disagree, ie "hackability should be a principal", and is an 
expectation of mine, not because I am a hacker (Which I am) but because 
hackability is flexibility. Tiddlywiki never would have its functionality 
today, if this were not the case from the very beginning, it would not be 
capable of implementing most other solutions if it were not for this "in 
its bones". 

But your point still has much value, as tiddlywiki can transform into 
anything, then it should also be able to transform into a polished focused 
solution as well.

Finally I think maturity will bring forward many of the things you seek, 
but one limitation is that its main distribution is empty.html which should 
always be available as the minimum install, buit it should not be the first 
edition someone new looks at. Either they obtain a custom edition or what I 
call a Standard edition, a non-minimalist edition with tools for the new 
comer already there, like the TOC, access to Page Controls More and a few 
other items. I also believe higher prominence to playgrounds like my own at 
https://anthonymuscio.github.io/playground.html and 
https://anthonymuscio.github.io/playground.html which allow experimentation 
without saving, once someone learns its value, they will push past the 
complexity of choice of saving.

Yours sincerely
Tones


On Wednesday, 2 September 2020 03:46:24 UTC+10, bimlas wrote:
>
> I think from your video and this Stroll presentation 
> , I understood why 
> TiddlyWiki most of the time isn’t mentioned besides Roam Research, Obisian, 
> and Notion, even if it surpasses them in several ways: it is not aimed at 
> the average user, but at those who are willing to take the time to make 
> their own wiki unique (almost even at the level of a hacker).
>
> PMario had a good idea 
>  on how to make 
> TiddlyWiki easier to use for complete beginners, but it wasn't merged 
> mostly because "Generally, we're missing the opportunity to teach new users 
> how to accomplish things, and instead we're giving them a small and 
> inscrutable choice of customizations with a non-standard UI" (reference 
> 
> )
>
> In fact, I think usability should be made simpler instead of teaching 
> everyone how to make TiddlyWiki omnipotent. If we want to make TiddlyWiki 
> more "famous", we simply need to make it easier to use (as I said in my 
> opinion about the pull request 
> ), 
> for example, with solutions like Saq is introducing nowdays, or David's 
> Stroll or any other plugin of this group (I didn't want to personalize, I 
> just gave examples, I respect everyone's work).
>
> Hack availability should be just an option, not an expectation. for 
> example, to add a ToC, you also need to read a tutorial, although logically 
> it would be enough to just tick an option.
>
> I think TiddlyWiki has only two drawbacks: one is cumbersome (though with 
> an infinite number of options) personalization, and the other is 
> saving. Customization would be greatly facilitated if there were a 
> "community plugin repository" next to the official one in the control 
> panel, but this was already mentioned in another thread, I just don't 
> remember the end result.
>

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[tw5] Re: [OT] Video comparing other note taking tools

[TW Tones]

Mat,

Thanks for sharing this. I watched it and I am confident tiddlywiki is 
ultimately superior, being able to address all, if not most features across 
the range. The key difference is Tiddlywiki provides the toolset not the 
finished product, and possibly most people want the finished product to 
meet the 80/20 rule. What would you prefer one plastic toy or a lego set?, 
a model crane or a mecano set?

The Pareto Principle, or the 80/20 rule, states that for many phenomena 80% 
> of the result comes from 20% of the effort


It is quite possible that editions of tiddlywiki can be developed to 
respond in the same way as the named apps. 

However ,where I believe the investment in learning how to build things pay 
off many times over, is the user can dictate and customise the result, they 
can innovate, reiterate and evolve their solution. Tiddlywiki is an 
algorithm storage and activation machine among many other things.

However it costs time and money to polish a solution and people are usually 
happy to get on with the next innovation, rather dedicate time to polishing 
the result, that is why tiddlywiki often has a makers and hackers look. 
However polishing can reduce flexibility and actually involves enforced 
simplification, so perhaps polished is not as flash as it could be.

Can we join the world of polished solutions with tiddlywiki?, perhaps!, 
should we ?, I think that is debatable! Not withstanding that, we can make 
a plugin or package for that polished look.

Personally to me, there is more value entering an open source eco-system, 
based on common open technologies, than taking a bet on a third party. If 
Tiddlywiki ceased to be a going concern from tomorrow, I still have a life 
time of opportunity already on my computer. Through open source, we benefit 
from the pooling of effort, the wisdom of crowds, diversity of community 
and generosity of strangers, as well as a culture capable of growth and 
reinvention.

As someone who monitors innovation in Information Technology, I observe 
most innovations out there, are amenable to implementation on tiddlywiki, 
in open source, anything can be done, if you gather a cohort of people who 
see sufficient value in enabling such innovations. The more the need, the 
more the likelihood.

Regards
TW Tones


On Wednesday, 2 September 2020 01:12:24 UTC+10, Mat wrote:
>
> I didn't listen carefully but it is still an interesting video comparing 
> the features of some prominent note taking software. It may be 
> interesting to see what specific features they bring up so if TW wants to 
> compete then
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opSENgc45Sw
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Information Componentization, Elemental Tiddlers, Aggregation Tiddlers, and Elemental Tiddler Links

[TW Tones]

Charlie

Thanks for your words too.

You say

> With the wrong kind of tool and/or the wrong kind of structure, you might 
> find yourself at some point locked into that structure (i.e. really painful 
> to change it) when elucidation, through discovery of new information or 
> requirements or opportunities, points to the need for different or 
> additional structure(s).


And I agree as your post concludes their is "little pain in change, in 
tiddlywiki".

In someways "the rules we should follow, are those that subsequently help 
us make and break all the rules" :)
 
Also you mention the philosophy that;

> "Life has a way of confounding expectations."

As an optimist this is no challenge to my well begin, I find when the going 
gets tough, innovation is at hand, because you want to undermine the 
barriers in front of you.

Also "if you push hard enough, turbulence forms that resists your forward 
motion, but by then you are moving quite fast" :)

Regards
Tony

On Wednesday, 2 September 2020 02:33:27 UTC+10, Charlie Veniot wrote:
>
> Tones, you sweet sweet guru of intertwingled thinking !
>
> Just so you know, since reading your reply, I've been in an instantaneous 
> *(nothing 
> gradual about it)* and blissfully warm-fuzzy Nirvana of:
>
> All o' them dots and "i's" and crosses and "t's" swirling around in me wee 
> sponge are slowly kind of coming together.
>
> Me thinks.
>
> At the very least, I'm inching towards some kind of faint glimmer.
>
> I should probably put on some sunglasses.
>
> And not stare directly into the light ...
>
>
> Re-reading your reply, my mind goes to "structure" of information and a 
> frustration of mine.  *(I have a thought, so I just surrender to the 
> thing and embrace it.  Hold onto your ears folk, 'cause here I go !)*
>
> Before starting any kind of writing project, most folk *(I think: by 
> human nature)* will want to plan some sort of information structure to 
> get started.  Most likely, that structure will be determined by (or 
> constrained / dictated by) the choice of tool used for the writing (and 
> maybe a little too much "lock in" via narrow-focused planning, thus missing 
> out on opportunities).
>
> That kind of thing drives me a little bit bananas.
>
> With the wrong kind of tool and/or the wrong kind of structure, you might 
> find yourself at some point locked into that structure (i.e. really painful 
> to change it) when elucidation, through discovery of new information or 
> requirements or opportunities, points to the need for different or 
> additional structure(s).
>
> For example:
>
> A few years ago, my teammates (programmer/analysts) were each asked to put 
> together each a OneNote document, in a shared network folder, to describe 
> his/her job.  *(I was excused from that because I had already been 
> describing, for the previous 14-ish years everything about my job in a 
> wiki.)*
>
>
> One of the teammates suggested that it might make more sense to have a 
> OneNote document per application instead.  *(There was a "many-many" 
> relationship between each programmer/analyst and each supported 
> application. )*   The teammate believed it made more sense to have a 
> OneNote document per application so that application-specific knowledge for 
> each application would be together, instead of knowledge for one 
> application split into pieces among job-related OneNote documents.
>
>
> Of course, I couldn't help thinking: why are you locking up information 
> into a fixed structure?
>
>
>- You are setting yourselves up to make it difficult-to-get 
>   "alternative information views"  because of the fixed storage structure 
> of 
>   the information.
>   - Or, worse: you are setting yourselves up for duplication of 
>   information across multiple structures.  A maintenance nightmare!
>  - i.e.
> - a bunch of OneNote documents in some folder, each 
> containing job-specific information
> - and a bunch of OneNote documents in some folder, each 
> containing application-specific information already existing in 
> the 
> job-specific OneNote documents
>  
> Arg!  A wiki would solve that!  Create narrow-focused "Elemental" 
> Pages/Tiddlers (all "first-class citizens"), and transclude them into 
> whatever "structures"  *(i.e. "Aggregation" Pages/Tiddlers via the magic 
> of transclusion)* to get whatever kind of information you need when you 
> need it !  That fell upon dead ears.  I have no idea if they eventually got 
> any OneNote documents together at all, let along figure out first how to 
> structure them.
>
>
> All of my wordiness to say... That's the beauty of wikis (my heart 
> belonging to TiddlyWiki) :  they allow for agile and organic/evolutionary 
> figuring out of structure(s) and adapting structure(s) (as information is 
> discovered, as content gets created and as structural needs reveal 
> themselves.) 
>
> Intertwingularity Mapping is all 

[tw5] Re: Android Browser

[Jason Peterson]

All,
Thank you for the feed back, I was finally able to get Brave to work on it 
Mikes suggestion was the answer that helped the most.

Thank you all again for your support!
Jason

On Monday, August 31, 2020 at 12:32:52 PM UTC-4 Jason Peterson wrote:

> All,
> This weekend Firefox did an update for the mobile firefox app and now I 
> cannot open my tiddlywiki5 file anymore.  I am looking for any browser that 
> can open it again on my adroid device.  I have tried the following
> Chrome
> firefox
> Cake
> Opera
> Puffin
> UC Browser Turbo
> Dolphin
> and Web browser
>
> I love tiddlywiki and have an extensive one I have created for a quick 
> reference for my hobby and it has been a godsend.
>
> Thank you all for any help you can provide.
> Jason
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[tw5] Re: Moving Goodreads books to your TW

[Jimmy Sweeney]

Hi Talha - I'm not sure what you mean by that. I'm still super new to using 
TW.

On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 1:59:20 PM UTC-5 talha131 wrote:

> This is a great idea. Are you using any specific theme for maintaining 
> your bookshelves in TW?
>

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[tw5] Re: Is it better to host images externally rather than in TW for performance? [2020 update]

[bimlas]

Here are some of my own experience that can help. Although I wrote these in 
connection with the reference documents, they also apply to the images.

https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/EwD9TtppIOo/m/amYJ7nVTBQAJ

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[tw5] Re: Is it better to host images externally rather than in TW for performance? [2020 update]

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I don't think there's any one recommended way to handle this. It may vary 
with your setup.

Since 5.1.20 improvements were made, so you don't have to worry quite so 
much about images deteriorating performance. However, it would still mean 
more time to synchronize or save, which could be important if you're 
connecting across the web. Also, just a few high quality images might still 
be too much.

Another possibility is to make thumbnails for your images and save them 
internally. Use a macro to display the images, and system information to 
decide whether to view the internal thumbnails or fetch the external image. 
That way you can view the images at low quality when offline or 
high-quality when online.

On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 12:35:50 PM UTC-7, talha131 wrote:
>
> I can host images on any free host online like Imgur and then use its link 
> inside a tiddler. The drawback is that image won’t load if I am offline.
>
> On the other hand, I can add an image to TW and reference it inside 
> tiddlers. My notes will be self-contained. But I am not sure how it will 
> affect the performance of TW. If it’s not a good idea to add images to TW, 
> then the performance hit will become pronounced down the road.
>
> People who have been using TiddlyWiki for long, what has been your 
> experience in adding images to TW? What do you recommend?
>
> I asked this question more than two years ago 
> .
>
> The consensus then was:
>
>1. TiddlyWiki performance degrades when its size increases, especially 
>on mobile. 
>2. On NodeJS, use tiddlywiki --listen 
>root-tiddler=$:/core/save/lazy-images 
>3. OR use relative paths for the images and store images outside the 
>TW, but on your hard disk drive. 
>
> Now that two years have passed and TW has improved a lot, with several new 
> features. What’s the status now? *What’s the recommended way of adding 
> images to TW?*
> ​
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[tw5] Re: [OT] Video comparing other note taking tools

[arun babu]

Hi all, I am a new TW user. I am a doctor(radiologist). I was using onenote 
as my note taking app since 2012-13. My notes were predominantly text 
files, images and onenote was enough for my requirements during those 
times. 

But recently I started following radiology related data in twitter, 
telegram groups, YouTube and other sources. So there was a need to embed 
tweets, YouTube videos, webpages and short clips of CT and MRI scans in my 
notes. This made me look out for options other than onenote and I started 
searching in YouTube. Then I came across Notion from Ali Abdaal's YouTube 
videos. Notion had many of my requirements, but their free plan limited 
single file uploads to 5MB. That was a bummer since many of my short videos 
were bigger than 5MB. The search again continued. 

Then accidently I came to know about Roam Research, again from a YouTube 
video by Thomas Frank. But Roam Research had stopped taking beta user by 
the time I checked their site. By the time they opened their walls, it had 
become a paid app and was out of my option. 

So I started searching for apps similar to Roam in YouTube and came to know 
about TW, obsidian and remnote from a YouTube video on Roam Research 
alternatives by Shu Omi 
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJdnZpUXluQ=122s). This was about 3 or 4 
months back. It was a short 4 minute video and only a brief overview of 
each app was given. I tried out each of those apps one by one since there 
was so much time available due to the corona situation. 

I started using remnote first and was happy with it. But being in its early 
stages, remnote didn't had all the features I needed so that I could make 
it my only note taking app. 

So I tried out Tiddlywiki in between while still using Remnote as my main 
app. Although I liked TW, I was not able to make it my go to app initially. 
I don't remember exact the reasons for that. May be I was biased to remote 
or I was not fully aware of the abundance of options with TW. And saving TW 
every time was cumbersome for me. But slowly I started experimenting with 
TW - installing different plug ins to find something which suits my taste. 
TW toolmap in dynalist was helpful and  I also started reading google group 
discusions. 

It has been almost 2 months since I started my experiments with TW. Still I 
haven't found the best combination. Some of the plug ins in TW which like 
to use are - Muuritouch, Krystal horizontal story river, TWCrosslinks and 
Dailynotes from Drift, tidgraph, Project manager, editor auto list, two 
story river, refnotes, bibtex importer, Twitter plug ins, tobibeer preview, 
Cardo, themes by JD and adithya and much more. But some have compatibility 
issues with each other.

The problem I find with tiddlywiki are:
*Although its one of the most powerful note taking app if the plug ins are 
used properly, many of the plug ins are not compatible with each other - 
how can this be resolved?
*Some of best plug ins are not updated to work smoothly with newer TW 
versions and newer plug ins.
*Its difficult to understand the full capability or usage of 'some' of the 
plug ins unless the user is experienced in technical details.

Even after two months of continuous use, I still haven't read even 10% of 
the documentation in the tiddlywiki website. Even though there are YouTube 
videos on TW, most of them are hangout videos, which are too long. It 
difficult to clear doubts from such videos.

Despite so many hiccups, I still plan to use tiddlywiki as my main note 
taking app since it meet almost all of my requirements. Hoping for a better 
tomorrow.

On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 11:16:24 PM UTC+5:30 bimlas wrote:

> I think from your video and this Stroll presentation 
> , I understood why 
> TiddlyWiki most of the time isn’t mentioned besides Roam Research, Obisian, 
> and Notion, even if it surpasses them in several ways: it is not aimed at 
> the average user, but at those who are willing to take the time to make 
> their own wiki unique (almost even at the level of a hacker).
>
> PMario had a good idea 
>  on how to make 
> TiddlyWiki easier to use for complete beginners, but it wasn't merged 
> mostly because "Generally, we're missing the opportunity to teach new users 
> how to accomplish things, and instead we're giving them a small and 
> inscrutable choice of customizations with a non-standard UI" (reference 
> 
> )
>
> In fact, I think usability should be made simpler instead of teaching 
> everyone how to make TiddlyWiki omnipotent. If we want to make TiddlyWiki 
> more "famous", we simply need to make it easier to use (as I said in my 
> opinion about the pull request 
> ), 
> for example, with solutions like Saq is introducing nowdays, or David's 

[tw5] Re: I messed up the config and now Page Controls is missing

[talha131]

Thank you Tones for sharing your knowledge. These were new to me.

Until you showed me I did not know these SideBarSegments visibility 
tiddlers existed.

Right. Surprisingly, docs did not have anything on this special config 
title. It is mentioned at only one place.

https://tiddlywiki.com/#Page%20and%20tiddler%20layout%20customisation
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[tw5] Is it better to host images externally rather than in TW for performance? [2020 update]

[talha131]

I can host images on any free host online like Imgur and then use its link 
inside a tiddler. The drawback is that image won’t load if I am offline.

On the other hand, I can add an image to TW and reference it inside 
tiddlers. My notes will be self-contained. But I am not sure how it will 
affect the performance of TW. If it’s not a good idea to add images to TW, 
then the performance hit will become pronounced down the road.

People who have been using TiddlyWiki for long, what has been your 
experience in adding images to TW? What do you recommend?

I asked this question more than two years ago 
.

The consensus then was:

   1. TiddlyWiki performance degrades when its size increases, especially 
   on mobile. 
   2. On NodeJS, use tiddlywiki --listen 
   root-tiddler=$:/core/save/lazy-images 
   3. OR use relative paths for the images and store images outside the TW, 
   but on your hard disk drive. 

Now that two years have passed and TW has improved a lot, with several new 
features. What’s the status now? *What’s the recommended way of adding 
images to TW?*
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[tw5] Help with tiddlywiki server

[demon...@gmail.com]

I am trying to get my own tiddlywiki server up and running in my VPS inside 
docker. But I just can't get this thing to work properly. I already made 
one post about authentication problems but deleted it because the problem 
vanished (I thought the issue was with my cert.csv file not being in root 
folder) but now the problems are back and I am getting very frustrated here.

First of all. What is the current "standard" or "easiest" way to get my own 
server up and running inside docker? I found this 
https://github.com/elasticdog/tiddlywiki-docker which seems to work just 
fine but now I am not so sure. Every time I make a wiki I get XML parsing 
errors in console "XML Parsing Error: no root element found". This also 
happens when I try to log out, because apparently my username does not 
change even when I restart the server. Maybe due to a cookie or something 
no idea... 

It kind of works even with this error, I can get it up and running but 
authorization does not work. So I can't use certification=mycert.csv to 
require logging in. HTTPS seems to work ok though I am not using it atm. I 
can reach the server from my own computer and delete tiddlers etc so that 
it working fine.

But I think the XML error might be the culprit here with the authorization. 
But I have zero idea how to even start to fix this. Clicking the logout 
button gives the same error but the location is just 
"https://myserver:myport/Logout;. 

I have made the server only with the --init server command no nothing 
extra. Did not import my old tiddlywiki in it yet or anything like that. 
And I am running the server with just host=0.0.0.0 port=8080 and nothing 
else to access it from outside of the local network.

Can someone give me a hand here? Either with how to actually do this server 
thing inside docker or how to fix the XML error or some other info on how I 
should be doing this. 

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[tw5] Re: Moving Goodreads books to your TW

[talha131]

This is a great idea. Are you using any specific theme for maintaining your 
bookshelves in TW?
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[tw5] Re: TranscludeWidget is very slow to load when used from a template

[talha131]

Thank you all of you. You people have fixed a major headache for me. Using


tiddlywiki --listen root-tiddler=$:/core/save/lazy-all

was the issue.

I replaced it with 

tiddlywiki --listen *root-tiddler=$:/core/save/lazy-images*

and this fixed the issue.

I never guessed that lazy-all could be the reason, because my TW used to 
work perfectly.
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Re: [tw5] Re: Android Browser

[Robert Jopling]

On first try Quinoid appears to work fine. And can access the SD card!

Rob

On Tue, 1 Sep 2020, 18:51 Ste,  wrote:

> There is Quinoid too. https://github.com/Marxsal/Quinoid01
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[tw5] Re: Trying to set up nodejs server authentication

[demon...@gmail.com]

Also I can't log out from the wiki. All I get is a  "XMLHttpRequest error 
code: 404" if I click the cloud button and try to log out.
On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 9:00:01 PM UTC+3 demon...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Can someone explain how the authentication scheme works in tiddlywiki's 
> nodejs server? I cannot get it to work. Ultimately I am trying to get 
> tiddlywiki inside a docker container in my VPS with authorization over 
> https. 
>
> I thought that I could use something as simple as this --listen 
> host=0.0.0.0 port=8080 user=test password=tset but I get no authentication 
> at all. I just go right in and do whatever I want to the wiki. I tried this 
> first with a cert file and I did get an authentication but after logging in 
> once, I just log in automatically without any prompts for username and 
> password even after I change the cert file or use username=plah 
> password=bleh.
>
> I have tried using the /login-basic route but all I get is a white page. I 
> also tried to use the 'reader=(authenticated)' and same for writer but no 
> avail. Either I only get a white page with no authentication (or wiki) at 
> all or I just go straight in without logging in.
>
> I am so very confused here. 
>
> I am using elasticdog's  
> docker and using the script after the "interactive wrapper" title, but I am 
> publishing it in 0.0.0.0 so access it from my own computer. It works fine 
> but I can't get the authentication to work.
>

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[tw5] Trying to set up nodejs server authentication

[demon...@gmail.com]

Can someone explain how the authentication scheme works in tiddlywiki's 
nodejs server? I cannot get it to work. Ultimately I am trying to get 
tiddlywiki inside a docker container in my VPS with authorization over 
https. 

I thought that I could use something as simple as this --listen 
host=0.0.0.0 port=8080 user=test password=tset but I get no authentication 
at all. I just go right in and do whatever I want to the wiki. I tried this 
first with a cert file and I did get an authentication but after logging in 
once, I just log in automatically without any prompts for username and 
password even after I change the cert file or use username=plah 
password=bleh.

I have tried using the /login-basic route but all I get is a white page. I 
also tried to use the 'reader=(authenticated)' and same for writer but no 
avail. Either I only get a white page with no authentication (or wiki) at 
all or I just go straight in without logging in.

I am so very confused here. 

I am using elasticdog's  
docker and using the script after the "interactive wrapper" title, but I am 
publishing it in 0.0.0.0 so access it from my own computer. It works fine 
but I can't get the authentication to work.

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[tw5] Re: Life timeline

[Mat]

Sorting:

Say you give each new weird date a "mydate" tag

If you then click that tag, and drag'n drop rearrange the order of those 
titles. This creates a list field in the mydate tiddler with all the titles 
tagged with "mydate" and the order becomes as you arrange it when drag'n 
dropping around in the tag.

You can then do 

{{{ "get all my events" +[sortby{mydate!!list}] }}}

<:-)

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Re: [tw5] Re: Android Browser

[Ste]

There is Quinoid too. https://github.com/Marxsal/Quinoid01

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[tw5] Re: [OT] Video comparing other note taking tools

[bimlas]

I think from your video and this Stroll presentation 
, I understood why 
TiddlyWiki most of the time isn’t mentioned besides Roam Research, Obisian, 
and Notion, even if it surpasses them in several ways: it is not aimed at 
the average user, but at those who are willing to take the time to make 
their own wiki unique (almost even at the level of a hacker).

PMario had a good idea  
on how to make TiddlyWiki easier to use for complete beginners, but it 
wasn't merged mostly because "Generally, we're missing the opportunity to 
teach new users how to accomplish things, and instead we're giving them a 
small and inscrutable choice of customizations with a non-standard UI" (
reference 
)

In fact, I think usability should be made simpler instead of teaching 
everyone how to make TiddlyWiki omnipotent. If we want to make TiddlyWiki 
more "famous", we simply need to make it easier to use (as I said in my 
opinion about the pull request 
), 
for example, with solutions like Saq is introducing nowdays, or David's 
Stroll or any other plugin of this group (I didn't want to personalize, I 
just gave examples, I respect everyone's work).

Hack availability should be just an option, not an expectation. for 
example, to add a ToC, you also need to read a tutorial, although logically 
it would be enough to just tick an option.

I think TiddlyWiki has only two drawbacks: one is cumbersome (though with 
an infinite number of options) personalization, and the other is 
saving. Customization would be greatly facilitated if there were a 
"community plugin repository" next to the official one in the control 
panel, but this was already mentioned in another thread, I just don't 
remember the end result.

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[tw5] Re: Information Componentization, Elemental Tiddlers, Aggregation Tiddlers, and Elemental Tiddler Links

[Charlie Veniot]

Tones, you sweet sweet guru of intertwingled thinking !

Just so you know, since reading your reply, I've been in an instantaneous 
*(nothing 
gradual about it)* and blissfully warm-fuzzy Nirvana of:

All o' them dots and "i's" and crosses and "t's" swirling around in me wee 
sponge are slowly kind of coming together.

Me thinks.

At the very least, I'm inching towards some kind of faint glimmer.

I should probably put on some sunglasses.

And not stare directly into the light ...


Re-reading your reply, my mind goes to "structure" of information and a 
frustration of mine.  *(I have a thought, so I just surrender to the thing 
and embrace it.  Hold onto your ears folk, 'cause here I go !)*

Before starting any kind of writing project, most folk *(I think: by human 
nature)* will want to plan some sort of information structure to get 
started.  Most likely, that structure will be determined by (or constrained 
/ dictated by) the choice of tool used for the writing (and maybe a little 
too much "lock in" via narrow-focused planning, thus missing out on 
opportunities).

That kind of thing drives me a little bit bananas.

With the wrong kind of tool and/or the wrong kind of structure, you might 
find yourself at some point locked into that structure (i.e. really painful 
to change it) when elucidation, through discovery of new information or 
requirements or opportunities, points to the need for different or 
additional structure(s).

For example:

A few years ago, my teammates (programmer/analysts) were each asked to put 
together each a OneNote document, in a shared network folder, to describe 
his/her job.  *(I was excused from that because I had already been 
describing, for the previous 14-ish years everything about my job in a 
wiki.)*


One of the teammates suggested that it might make more sense to have a 
OneNote document per application instead.  *(There was a "many-many" 
relationship between each programmer/analyst and each supported 
application. )*   The teammate believed it made more sense to have a 
OneNote document per application so that application-specific knowledge for 
each application would be together, instead of knowledge for one 
application split into pieces among job-related OneNote documents.


Of course, I couldn't help thinking: why are you locking up information 
into a fixed structure?


   - You are setting yourselves up to make it difficult-to-get "alternative 
  information views"  because of the fixed storage structure of the 
  information.
  - Or, worse: you are setting yourselves up for duplication of 
  information across multiple structures.  A maintenance nightmare!
 - i.e.
- a bunch of OneNote documents in some folder, each containing 
job-specific information
- and a bunch of OneNote documents in some folder, each 
containing application-specific information already existing in the 
job-specific OneNote documents
 
Arg!  A wiki would solve that!  Create narrow-focused "Elemental" 
Pages/Tiddlers (all "first-class citizens"), and transclude them into 
whatever "structures"  *(i.e. "Aggregation" Pages/Tiddlers via the magic of 
transclusion)* to get whatever kind of information you need when you need 
it !  That fell upon dead ears.  I have no idea if they eventually got any 
OneNote documents together at all, let along figure out first how to 
structure them.


All of my wordiness to say... That's the beauty of wikis (my heart 
belonging to TiddlyWiki) :  they allow for agile and organic/evolutionary 
figuring out of structure(s) and adapting structure(s) (as information is 
discovered, as content gets created and as structural needs reveal 
themselves.) 

Intertwingularity Mapping is all about squashing writer's block.  Don't get 
into paralysis by analysis of big requirements up front (i.e. "detailed" 
planning, and "structures" of any kind, especially documents and folders!)  
Start writing!  Start with a list!  Just like the seeds for some plants, 
the plants and the garden will let you know what they need in time.

Total aside, I am reminded of a philosophy, one of so many, I have:  Life 
has a way of confounding expectations.  (And plans.  Because we don't know 
what we don't know.  Until we know, at which point it is some nice to have 
the luxury of quickly and easily adjusting, and re-adjusting, at any time.)


To me, there is nothing better than a wiki for the business of 
writing/organizing *anything*.  *(Well, although I'm pretty stubborn about 
it, I am always open to any new thing that comes along and could change my 
mind ... )*

Cheers, and thanks again, Tones !

On Sunday, August 30, 2020 at 6:44:20 PM UTC-3, TW Tones wrote:
>
> Charlie,
>
> Some responses inline
>
>>
>> Dang, that was well put.
>>
>
> Thanks, but its just a result of career in information tech and 
> information management for real people.
>  
>
>>
>> I usually find it really challenging 

[tw5] Life timeline

[Ed Heil]

Looking for advice on how to raise my game on one of my first tiddlywikis 
ever.

It's a timeline of life events, so I can go back and answer my questions 
like "what grade was I in when that happened?  When did I move there?  When 
did I meet them?".

It started out as just a textual list, with some links.  Then I learned 
about tagging and stuff, and I ended up making a tiddler for each year and 
tagging the events to that tiddler (so I can rearrange them in the correct 
order thanks to the magic of list fields).

I have not done anything more than "attaching events to a given year 
tiddler" as far as assigning dates.  I'd like to actually put dates in a 
field, but I often don't have real date data, like I know something 
happened in "1980" or "late 1980" or "fall 1980" or "september 1980" or 
something like that.

Any suggestions on handling that sort of thing?

The technique I have, of just assigning things to years and arranging them 
manually in order, actually works fine.  It doesn't allow me to do things 
like use the timeline visualization plugin, which would be pretty neat, but 
that's not the most important thing.

I guess I'm just wondering whether anybody has best practices or hints on 
handling dates of widely varying precision.

I haven't touched this TW in a while so it's kind of fun looking at how I 
used to do things just a few months ago, and what I've learned since then! 
 (E.g. i used to make heavy use of WikiWords but that passed by the 
wayside)


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[tw5] Re: Effective ways to use Tiddlywiki?

[Charlie Veniot]

TiddlyWiki really is an amazing thing, eh?

Fyi, here are my on-going TiddlyWiki-based projects:

   - Le P'tit Aurèle 
  - *(un lexique du français acadien / a lexicon of Acadian French)*
   - Charlie's ADHD Slice'n Dice 
   
   - Charlie's Product Reviews 
   
   - Charlie's Configuring TiddlyWiki 
   


All of these are about major interest in the topics themselves, but also 
playgrounds to fully explore TiddlyWiki (FUN!) and apply this 
"Intertwingularity Mapping" process for writing and organizing any kind of 
information (so that I can simultaneously figure out how to thoroughly 
describe that process.)

   - *I find everything interesting.  Too many interests, not enough hours 
   in a day ...*


*BTW / aside*:

   - All information, to me, is complex: just when we think a topic is 
   simple, we discover all sorts of intertwingled bits: new interconnections 
   between existing information fragments, new information fragments within 
   the topic and related to other topics, new information just by aggregating 
   bits in different ways *(re-purposing things in a reduce/reuse/recycle 
   and/or MacGyver -ing mindset)*, 
   etc. etc. etc.


   - "Intertwingularity Mapping" is something I've been doing for the last 
   15-ish years really, but it only dawned on me about two years ago that I 
   had a custom and organically created process going on (to write and 
   organize information/knowledge/documentation/anything), and something 
   within the last two years I christened "Intertwingularity Mapping" (and 
   applying that process to anything also calling "Intertwingularity Slicing'n 
   Dicing")


   - I just recently, and out of the blue, had a moment of inspiration *(thanks 
  to some mightily fine wording of oh-so-excellent wisdom by other folk in 
  this group) *and with a bit of perspiration wrote out a first draft 
  of an Intertwingularity Mapping "vision" in this other thread : 
Information 
  Componentization, Elemental Tiddlers, Aggregation Tiddlers, and 
  *Intertwingled* Tiddler Links 
  
   
*Cheers (and thanks again to all for the awesome content in all of these 
threads;  what great stuff) !*

On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 4:07:19 PM UTC-3, Logan C wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I've had TW for around 10 days now, and, despite my lack of experience 
> with open-source software, I feel like I have a good understanding of its 
> functionality and UI. 
>
> Right now, I am looking to use TW in a way that organizes almost every 
> aspect of my life – school, every-day tasks, thoughts, career plans/goals, 
> etc. Does anyone have any examples or tutorials that show an effective 
> system/methodology to manage all these things? The goal is to learn what 
> different people are doing so that, eventually, I'll have enough fluency to 
> tailor my own methodology for my specific needs.
>
> Much appreciated!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] [OT] Video comparing other note taking tools

[Mat]

I didn't listen carefully but it is still an interesting video comparing 
the features of some prominent note taking software. It may be 
interesting to see what specific features they bring up so if TW wants to 
compete then

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opSENgc45Sw

<:-)

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[tw5] Moving Goodreads books to your TW

[Jimmy Sweeney]

If anyone is interested, I have created a python script to transfer your 
book list from Goodreads to individual json files that can be easily 
imported into your TW. 


Thanks to all the help I got an early post when I was trying to figure this 
out.


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Re: [tw5] Re: How to keep multiple wikis running on node.js without terminal up

[Donald Coates]

What OS are you using?  There are some good tmux cheatsheets out there but 
you can

1) create a new session for each wiki (tmux new -s wiki1 , etc)  then tmux 
attach -t wiki1; run the wiki; ctrl-b then d to detach; repeat for each wiki

2) create a new session tmux new -s wiki ; then attach ; run wiki1; press 
ctrl-b then "quotion marks" to create a split screen! : run wiki2 then : 
press ctrl-b then "percentage" and get a vertical split!! and run wiki3 
in that then ctrl-b then d to detach
;
On Monday, August 31, 2020 at 12:30:52 AM UTC-4, Morgaine O'Herne wrote:
>
> Thanks Rob. I think #2 is the best I can do for the wikis on my own 
> computer, given my current skill level.  If someone could simplify this for 
> me, I'd be most grateful. Thanks.
>
> On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 9:20 PM Rob Hoelz > 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello!
>>
>> This is how I approach that:
>>
>>   1) Each wiki has a script in the same directory as tiddlywiki.info - 
>> all it does is check that the installed TiddlyWiki version matches what's 
>> in package-lock.json, set the TIDDLYWIKI_PORT environment variable, and 
>> invoke ./node_modules/.bin/tiddlywiki.  It's the TIDDLYWIKI_PORT part 
>> that's important here!
>>   2) I have a tmux session with a single window per wiki - in each of 
>> those windows, I run ./tiddlywiki --listen port=TIDDLYWIKI_PORT.  This way 
>> I don't have to remember which port I use for which wiki!
>>   3) I have custom DNS so that personal.wiki, games.wiki, etc all point 
>> to my machine running the various node processes.
>>   4) I have nginx set up to proxy to each node process - my config for a 
>> single wiki looks like this: 
>> https://gist.github.com/hoelzro/9a1706b2bf96c4836dfbb0c3e0afae87
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>> On Sunday, August 30, 2020 at 9:37:09 PM UTC-5 morgain...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all. I have 3 wikis running on node.js on my computer. They each 
>>> connect through a different port number. I want to be able to access any of 
>>> them in the browser at any time without pulling up the terminal. I believe 
>>> I remember doing this before, but I don't know how. How do I make my wikis 
>>> permanent?
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[tw5] Re: How to transclude raw contents of a shadow tiddler

[talha131]

Keep in mind that the editor preview has an option to compare the current 
overridden shadow with the shadow

Thank you Tones. This is valuable. I was not aware of this feature.
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[tw5] How to use TiddlyWiki API in BoxLinux version

[skaczm...@gmail.com]

Hello,

I decided to use TiddlyWiki in BobLinux server version, because it is the 
most convenient way for me. Over time, I came up with few ideas of how to 
automate some tiddlers creation, but it looks like API described in 
official tutorial - https://tiddlywiki.com/#WebServer%20API doesn't work 
with this version of tiddly wiki.

Can anyone please help me with some basic functionalities like retrieving 
all tiddlers and injecting new one.

Best regards!

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Re: [tw5] Effective ways to use Tiddlywiki?

[bimlas]

I see more and more signs that the TiddlyWiki community is approaching 
Zettelkasten and similar note-taking methodologies, which is very positive 
for me! I have been feeling more effective since I started applying these 
principles. Before, I just collected the notes, but I didn’t use them for 
anything other than recalling the forgotten knowledge. Ever since my 
Zettelkasten-like note-taking habits are starting to take shape, I’ve been 
thinking about notes and it’s very impressive: I find gaps more easily, I’m 
happy to research the details of a particular topic, so I do what I like to 
do.

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[tw5] Pop up is opening far away from the tiddler when more than two columns are opened in Krystal horizontal story river or muuritouch story river

[arun babu]

I have been using 'tobibeer preview plug in' in my TWs. But in TWs using 
Muuritouch and Krystal horizontal story river, the pop up is opening far 
away from the Tiddlers containing the link. This happens only when I open 
more than two columns of tiddlers in both of these TWs. Can someone help in 
this regard. 

I am a doctor from India and don't have much technical knowledge in this 
matter. I have been trying to make a good TW set up for my notes and have 
searched a lot in this forum and other TW resources for that. If someone 
can help in this regard it will be helpful.

Also anyone know why Muuritouch is not being updated for the latest 
versions of TW. I couldn't find the GitHub page for Muuritouch to contact 
its author. Muuritouch was such an awesome plug in and it is sad to see it 
not being updated. Especially during these times when Tiddlywiki is getting 
so much attention and spread.

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Re: [tw5] Effective ways to use Tiddlywiki?

[s.kaczmarek]

I came through this at the beginning of this year, when I started to use
tiddlywiki. The method that really opened my eyes is Zettelcasten. I
implemented it and it is the most natural method of note taking that I
found so far. I also use it to document literally every aspect of my life.

pon., 3 sie 2020 o 21:07 Logan Chin  napisał(a):

> Hello,
>
> I've had TW for around 10 days now, and, despite my lack of experience
> with open-source software, I feel like I have a good understanding of its
> functionality and UI.
>
> Right now, I am looking to use TW in a way that organizes almost every
> aspect of my life – school, every-day tasks, thoughts, career plans/goals,
> etc. Does anyone have any examples or tutorials that show an effective
> system/methodology to manage all these things? The goal is to learn what
> different people are doing so that, eventually, I'll have enough fluency to
> tailor my own methodology for my specific needs.
>
> Much appreciated!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[tw5] Re: All notes deleted upon clearing Browser's History Noteself + Tiddlyblink

[Mat]

Alejandro

If I recall, Noteself has a designated github repository where you can ask 
questions and where @Danielo (the creator of Noteself) will see it.

Just guessing but I would assume that if you just try it out, ie that the 
saving actually does save to your Google Drive, then shouldn't that do it? 
If it did work, then clearing your browser should have no effect on what 
you've saved in your Drive...

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: TranscludeWidget is very slow to load when used from a template

[PMario]

Hi,

Which plugins do you use?
How big is your wiki?

-mario

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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddlyserver portable install

[Robert Jopling]

Thanks mark

That is helpful. Will try out your suggestions.

Rob

On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 23:14, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> When you download and/or extract the node package (I'm pretty sure it's
> unzippable), there is a file (node.exe, I think) that does the heavy
> lifting. You can copy it into the same directory as your tiddly server
> files so that you don't need to install node.js on some other PC you might
> visit. So that makes it more portable.
>
> However, PC executables won't run on Android.
>
> For Android, you need another approach. Typically you would install termux
> on android, and then from within android install node.js. Then I think you
> can install and run tiddlyserver files. You might need to understand unix
> pathing.
>
> I use this approach on Android 5. But it works with the older version of
> Tiddlyserver. The newer version of ts needs the newer version of node.js,
> and I'm not sure if that happens under Termux. I guess you'll find out ;-)
>
>
>
> On Monday, August 31, 2020 at 2:26:01 PM UTC-7, Rob Jopling wrote:
>>
>> I now have a portable version of Tiddlyserver working on my Win10
>> pc, although it is not truly portable.
>>
>> Arlen's instructions say: "You can also copy the Node executable into the
>> folder for a truly portable install."
>>
>> I am not sure what is meant by "the Node executable". I have visited the
>> Node.js download site but do not know which package to download, bearing in
>> mind I ultimately want to run this on an Android tablet using Dory.
>>
>> Also when it says "into the folder" which folder does this mean?
>>
>> Any help would be appreciated.
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Android Browser

[Robert Jopling]

I have tried using Tiddloid Lite and I keep getting a small “data error”
message when importing a new wiki file. Tried with  a new Empty wiki and
got the same message.

Not sure what is wrong with it

Rob

On Tue, 1 Sep 2020 at 01:09, TW Tones  wrote:

> Have you tried the TiddlyWiki app for android ?
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Saving%20on%20Android
>
> I thought there was another app?
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Tuesday, 1 September 2020 02:32:52 UTC+10, Jason Peterson wrote:
>>
>> All,
>> This weekend Firefox did an update for the mobile firefox app and now I
>> cannot open my tiddlywiki5 file anymore.  I am looking for any browser that
>> can open it again on my adroid device.  I have tried the following
>> Chrome
>> firefox
>> Cake
>> Opera
>> Puffin
>> UC Browser Turbo
>> Dolphin
>> and Web browser
>>
>> I love tiddlywiki and have an extensive one I have created for a quick
>> reference for my hobby and it has been a godsend.
>>
>> Thank you all for any help you can provide.
>> Jason
>>
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