[tw5] Re: Calculating transcluded tiddler and conditionals

[Eric Shulman]

On Saturday, November 7, 2020 at 10:26:52 PM UTC-8, W Yan wrote:
>
> 1. How could I calculate something based on transcluded tiddler? I have a 
> state tiddler that contains dynamic values and I want to use it with 
> calculated output; Something like {{Tiddler}}/2. I tried <$text text={{{ 
> {{Tiddler}} +[divide[2]] }}}> but it didn't work.
>

* The syntax surrounding a "filtered transclusion" is: {{{ [...filter goes 
here...] }}}
* Within filters, use SINGLE curly braces to fetch the contents of a 
tiddler.
* Since there is no matching , use "/>" to end the $text widget.

Thus:
<$text text={{{ [{Tiddler}divide[2]] }}} />

2. It is more like a mathematic question, but will it be possible to get a 
> decreasing value when state tiddler is increasing? For example, when state 
> tiddler value is ...10, 12, 14... I would like to get calculated output of 
> ...8, 7, 6...
>

The mathematical relationship between these numbers is not clear.  If you 
can provide an equation that shows how each input value gives the 
corresponding output value, I can probably show you how to write it as a 
filter.
 

> 3. I'd like to set a text to show when a state tiddler is empty, and when 
> state tiddler contains a value it shows that value instead of default text. 
> So basically {{stateTiddler}}is[empty]then[defaultText]else{{stateTiddler}} 
> something like that.
>

* The keyword for the is[...] filter should be "blank", not "empty".  Thus:
<$text text={{{ 
[{stateTiddler}is[blank]then[defaultText]else{stateTiddler}] }}} />

* You can simplify the above as:
<$text text={{{ [{stateTiddler}else[defaultText]] }}} />

enjoy,
-e 

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[tw5] Calculating transcluded tiddler and conditionals

[W Yan]

Hi, I've been trying to achieve something using state tiddlers, but couldn't make it work. 1. How could I calculate something based on transcluded tiddler? I have a state tiddler that contains dynamic values and I want to use it with calculated output; Something like {{Tiddler}}/2. I tried <$text text={{{ {{Tiddler}} +[divide[2]] }}}> but it didn't work. 2. It is more like a mathematic question, but will it be possible to get a decreasing value when state tiddler is increasing? For example, when state tiddler value is ...10, 12, 14... I would like to get calculated output of ...8, 7, 6... 3. I'd like to set a text to show when a state tiddler is empty, and when state tiddler contains a value it shows that value instead of default text. So basically {{stateTiddler}}is[empty]then[defaultText]else{{stateTiddler}} something like that. I would appreciate any help.



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[tw5] Re: Is there any way to export TiddlyWiki to a list of markdown files?

[Altug Ozcelikkale]

If you don't mind using python, there is also PyTiddlyWiki that can export 
a group of tiddlers to .md among other formats.

https://github.com/eniacization/PyTiddlyWiki

Best wishes,
-Altuğ

On Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 1:04:12 PM UTC+3, Ilyusha Nicolas wrote:
>
> I have a html with many tiddlers, with tags and links. I want to find a 
> way to export this html to a list of markdown files such that each tiddler 
> corresponds to a markdown file, each link to X shows up as "[[X]]" in the 
> output markdown file, similarly with tags?
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Exporting HTML file (Bob)

[jin]

Thank you for the constant reply Jed, will check it out soon!

On Sun, Nov 8, 2020, 5:44 AM Jed Carty  wrote:

> Sorry, that isn't the public repo. The public repo is
> https://gitlab.com/ooktech-public/securewikiserver and the link to the
> setup script is
> https://gitlab.com/ooktech-public/securewikiserver/-/raw/master/setup.sh?inline=false
>
> If you are on linux or osx just download the script and run it, there is
> some more information in the readme but it is still pretty sparse.
>
> On Friday, November 6, 2020 at 7:51:53 PM UTC+1 Jed Carty wrote:
>
>> The repo is here https://gitlab.com/ooktech/SecureWikiServer
>>
>> I am still updating it a lot and lots of it may be broken, and most of
>> the documentation is missing.
>>
>> But if you want to try it, and you are on linux or osx, download and run
>> setup.sh from here
>> https://gitlab.com/ooktech/SecureWikiServer/-/raw/master/setup.sh?inline=false
>>
>> for windows I guess you can try to follow the steps that setup.sh uses
>>
>> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 3:47:17 AM UTC+1 joshua@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Jed,
>>>
>>> Awesome to hear you are updating the Secure Login plugin for Bob. I will
>>> definitely be testing it out when it is available. :)
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Joshua F
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 5:05:40 AM UTC-8
>>> justinehe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Thank you Jed! I will surely wait for it. Till then, I will just use
 the wiki for myself :)

 On Wednesday, 4 November 2020 at 20:54:22 UTC+8 inmy...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> I am not sure when I am going to be finished with it, I am hoping to
> have something working this week but documentation an da reasonable UI are
> going to take longer. I will announce it on here when it is ready for
> general use, I will put what I have in a public git repo sometime today,
> but it doesn't have much in the way of documentation.
>
> On Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 1:29:21 PM UTC+1
> justinehe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> May I know when will it be released? or not? Anyways, thank you for
>> letting me know. I will look forward to it, thank you so much :D
>>
>> On Wednesday, 4 November 2020 at 18:03:25 UTC+8 inmy...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I haven't done much with the export since fixing the file server, so
>>> I haven't updated the export yet. My plan is to have it copy all of the
>>> media files into a files folder next to the output html file and update 
>>> all
>>> of the _canonical_uri tiddlers.
>>>
>>> I am currently updating the secure login server for hosting Bob
>>> online, hopefully that will be ready soon, then you can have proper 
>>> access
>>> controls for an online wiki.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 3:24:07 AM UTC+1
>>> justinehe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 If I exported the html file of my wiki where there are externally
 referenced files, is there a way I can do for the files to show up 
 other
 than disabling the file server option? I want to send the html version 
 of
 my wiki to my friends so that they can take a look at my school notes
 without the html file being large and hard to download and they can 
 see the
 imported images and documents without it being a blank tiddler. I also
 think that I'll be considering hosting my wiki online if that's 
 possible.

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[tw5] Re: Exporting HTML file (Bob)

[Jed Carty]

Sorry, that isn't the public repo. The public repo 
is https://gitlab.com/ooktech-public/securewikiserver and the link to the 
setup script 
is 
https://gitlab.com/ooktech-public/securewikiserver/-/raw/master/setup.sh?inline=false

If you are on linux or osx just download the script and run it, there is 
some more information in the readme but it is still pretty sparse.

On Friday, November 6, 2020 at 7:51:53 PM UTC+1 Jed Carty wrote:

> The repo is here https://gitlab.com/ooktech/SecureWikiServer
>
> I am still updating it a lot and lots of it may be broken, and most of the 
> documentation is missing.
>
> But if you want to try it, and you are on linux or osx, download and run 
> setup.sh from here 
> https://gitlab.com/ooktech/SecureWikiServer/-/raw/master/setup.sh?inline=false
>
> for windows I guess you can try to follow the steps that setup.sh uses
>
> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 3:47:17 AM UTC+1 joshua@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Jed,
>>
>> Awesome to hear you are updating the Secure Login plugin for Bob. I will 
>> definitely be testing it out when it is available. :)
>>
>> Best,
>> Joshua F
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 5:05:40 AM UTC-8 justinehe...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Jed! I will surely wait for it. Till then, I will just use the 
>>> wiki for myself :)
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, 4 November 2020 at 20:54:22 UTC+8 inmy...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I am not sure when I am going to be finished with it, I am hoping to 
 have something working this week but documentation an da reasonable UI are 
 going to take longer. I will announce it on here when it is ready for 
 general use, I will put what I have in a public git repo sometime today, 
 but it doesn't have much in the way of documentation.

 On Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 1:29:21 PM UTC+1 
 justinehe...@gmail.com wrote:

> May I know when will it be released? or not? Anyways, thank you for 
> letting me know. I will look forward to it, thank you so much :D
>
> On Wednesday, 4 November 2020 at 18:03:25 UTC+8 inmy...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I haven't done much with the export since fixing the file server, so 
>> I haven't updated the export yet. My plan is to have it copy all of the 
>> media files into a files folder next to the output html file and update 
>> all 
>> of the _canonical_uri tiddlers.
>>
>> I am currently updating the secure login server for hosting Bob 
>> online, hopefully that will be ready soon, then you can have proper 
>> access 
>> controls for an online wiki.
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 3:24:07 AM UTC+1 
>> justinehe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> If I exported the html file of my wiki where there are externally 
>>> referenced files, is there a way I can do for the files to show up 
>>> other 
>>> than disabling the file server option? I want to send the html version 
>>> of 
>>> my wiki to my friends so that they can take a look at my school notes 
>>> without the html file being large and hard to download and they can see 
>>> the 
>>> imported images and documents without it being a blank tiddler. I also 
>>> think that I'll be considering hosting my wiki online if that's 
>>> possible. 
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Duplicated tiddlers after coppying from one wiki to another [BobLinux]

[TW Tones]

Jed,

I will keep that in mind. The main cause was when I caused a Javascript 
error, or needed an emergency save of updates. That is when I found I was 
corrupting Bob by reimporting them as tiddlers, hence the filter. My 
emergency filter I use on all wikis now has this filter that excludes the 
bob tiddlers so it is universal. I install it as needed from a bookmarklet

Regards
Tony

On Sunday, 8 November 2020 04:56:13 UTC+11, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> Adding tiddler files to the tiddler folder works fine, the file system 
> monitor handles adding them to the wiki correctly. If you are generating 
> files on the local computer there isn't any reason not to just save the 
> files that way.
>
> Tony,
>
> Why don't you just use the export html button in the control panel? Then 
> you don't have to worry about any of that.
>
> On Saturday, November 7, 2020 at 4:56:19 PM UTC+1 skaczm...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> thx Jed, is it even a proper way of transferring tiddlers between wikis? 
>> About a month ago, I asked about API for "injecting" automatically 
>> generated tiddlers. You fixed it for the version 1.6.2, which unfortunately 
>> I am not able to run ( https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-Bob/issues/161 ), 
>> that's why I thought, that maybe I will just place new tiddler file inside 
>> folder, which might make things easier. What is your opinion on that?
>>
>>
>>
>> piątek, 6 listopada 2020 o 18:46:19 UTC+1 inmy...@gmail.com napisał(a):
>>
>>> It looks like this is a bug in Bob. I will hopefully get it fixed in the 
>>> next release.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 11:55:47 PM UTC+1 skaczm...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 Hello,

 Please help me understand how moving tiddlers from one wiki to another 
 works on BobLinux server. When I copy tiddler from one wiki to another, 
 within the same "index wiki" server produces duplicate with the same name 
 plus _1. Basically, tiddler is imported and visible ion the "destination" 
 wiki, but I don't understand what's the purpose of that duplicate. I need 
 to move over 1000 tiddlers from one wiki to another and I'm afraid, that 
 duplicating this number will only make things worse in the longer run.

 I hope, that below screenshot will explain everything. If you miss some 
 information please let me know, I'm still new to tiddly wiki and my lack 
 of 
 knowledge might create some confusion.

 [image: double-tiddlers.png]

>>>

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Re: [tw5] Tiddlywiki Empty: The size empty.html

[TW Tones]

Using a CDN like cloud flare made an otherwise almost unusable wiki fast, 
add a splash screen to ensure people wait for it to load, advertise they 
are loading the whole site for fast performance.

Now when distributing content consider sharing JSON packAges of tiddler, or 
via a library, then the user need only the delta after the first save.

Regards
Tony


On Sunday, 8 November 2020 03:35:28 UTC+11, Mark S. wrote:
>
> There's more than server storage size that's important.
>
> Imagine you were an instructor who wanted to distribute and receive lesson 
> plans via TW to remote students with limited data rate accounts. Having 
> 2megs overhead for each transfer would make the whole process expensive, in 
> addition to slow. 
>
> But, as they say, it is what it is. 
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: sadly seeking tiddlyspot alternatives

[TW Tones]

Folks,

I was prepared to consider hosting another instance of tiddlyspot, but I do 
need help and first and foremost get an idea of size and traffic, and 
placing a CDN on it.

Regards
Tony

On Sunday, 8 November 2020 03:28:49 UTC+11, Mark S. wrote:
>
> It would be useful, if, as one last favor, Simon and Daniel could share 
> the code they use for their site. I'm sure it's some variation of 
> store.php, but the details are important.
>
> On Saturday, November 7, 2020 at 7:54:37 AM UTC-8, springer wrote:
>>
>> TiddlyTweeter, and all,
>>
>> I have enduring gratitude for what Simon and Daniel put together, and 
>> what Tiddlyspot offered.
>>
>> My own question -- and I think the spirit of Alvin's post, as I read it 
>> -- is: Is there not any way for something comparable to be put together and 
>> supported, even if DreamHost is not amenable, and even if Simon and Daniel 
>> have other priorities?
>>
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: NestedSliderPlugin from ClassicTW to TW5

[TW Tones]

Folks,

The html details tag seems to work better now at least in the pre-release. 
In both this and the widget ensure you have a blank line follow the content 
to get it to render in block mode.

Tones

On Sunday, 8 November 2020 02:20:06 UTC+11, springer wrote:
>
> Alvin, I see that Tones had offered you a *better* telmiger link than the 
> one I sent. I didn't know about that one; it's more "public-facing" (and 
> explicitly dedicated to the sharing plugins) than the site I had found 
> (which had been shared here at some point earlier in its development). 
>
> So please forget the link I posted and use the one Tones posted: 
> https://tid.li/tw5/plugins.html#DetailsWidget
> On Saturday, November 7, 2020 at 10:11:34 AM UTC-5 springer wrote:
>
>> Alvin, it's true that telmiger's site has not been made neat for 
>> visitors, and has elements that are distracting. The pop-up 
>> reminder/scheduling window you see is not related to the details widget, 
>> but I understand why you'd be apprehensive. 
>>
>> Mohammad's plugins, by contrast, are very well-maintained and documented. 
>> You can't go wrong with exploring Shiraz, which has many other functions 
>> beyond the details ("show on demand") function. Shiraz is superb, and I 
>> regularly use several functions in it, especially Dynamic Tables.
>>
>> I can no longer recall why I ended up relying on telmiger's details 
>> widget -- it may simply be a matter of what I found and implemented first. 
>> (It also may have been a worry about whether the Shiraz sliders "nest" 
>> and/or have great flexibility in the "guts" of what's shown on demand.)
>>
>> Although it's a big effort to convert a large tiddlywiki that relies on 
>> the old "Nested Sliders" syntax, I think you'll be impressed by the 
>> responsiveness of TW5 once you get up and running. Cheers!
>>
>> -Springer
>> On Saturday, November 7, 2020 at 9:54:07 AM UTC-5 Alvin wrote:
>>
>>> When I followed the link to DetailsWidget info, Springer, I found this.
>>>
>>> [image: screenshot 2020110701.jpg]
>>>
>>> I'm not fluent in TW5 yet, so that Save-Button Position box looks 
>>> suspicious.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 8:09 PM springer  wrote:
>>>
 Alvin, others will have better answers, but I was in exactly your 
 position a year ago -- a late upgrader with quite a few plugin 
 dependencies 
 worked into about 14 years'-worth of TiddlyWiki Classic projects. (Nested 
 Sliders, and the combination of aliases and Redirect Macro, were core to 
 my 
 workflow.)

 I couldn't find anything that converted my existing tiddlers over to an 
 equivalent TW5 function; that is, all the +++ and === syntax in TWClassic 
 had to be reworked more or less manually, if I recall correctly. 

 Also, I should warn you that the word "Slider" has gotten used for 
 multiple functions, so searching for it leads down some dead-ends.

 There are various solutions though. What I ended up choosing is 
 TElmiger's Details Widget, discussed in this thread: 
 https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/sRUVnlIaT3E

 You can find more info here: 
 https://tid.li/tw5/hacks.html#DetailsWidget

 It's not nearly as quick to deploy on the fly (in terms of typing out 
 markdown like +++ and ===), but the tradeoff is that it's more powerful, 
 at 
 least for my purposes.

 I'll post this for now, in case you want to check that out. Meanwhile, 
 others might chime in with what works for them, and I'll also keep an eye 
 out for follow-up questions.

 -Springer

 On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 5:01:15 PM UTC-5 Alvin wrote:

> I'm a long-time user of ClassicTW, and I'm trying to start using TW5. 
> One of my favorite plugins was NestedSliderPlugin, but of course it 
> doesn't 
> work in TW5, and I'm not sure I would understand how to install it if it 
> did.  Is there a TW5 replacement? If so, how would I install it? And, for 
> that matter, would I use it the same way? 
>
> Thank you.
>
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[tw5] Re: TW 5.1.23 and Tones of New Features

[TW Tones]

Mohammad thanks for sharing your exploration:

<$button class="tc-btn-invisible" > __Toggle__ <$action-listops 
 $tags="+[toggle[done]]" /><>  

Fun variation that also provides the Tag pill

Tones


On Sunday, 8 November 2020 01:20:45 UTC+11, Mohammad wrote:
>
> *TW 5.1.23 new feature.  *
>
> If you like a *surprise*,  go to https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/  
> create a new tiddler and enter the 
> below wikitext (script) and save
>
> <$button> Click me <$action-listops  $tags="+[toggle[done]]" /> 
>   
>
> Click the and see the result!  Ah this is a killer feature!
> Thank you Saq!
>
> --Mohammad
>
> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 3:41:51 PM UTC+3:30 Atronoush wrote:
>
>> I have noted Jeremy, Saq, BTC, and some other are very busy to fix bugs 
>> and bring new features to TW 5.1.23 (have a look at 
>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5 to see the number of PR, Issues 
>> have been resolved!)
>>
>> Thank you all!
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Modal question (last question today, I promise)

[Ste]

I may be way off here, I didn't really understand the queston, but here 
Is Jeds code for the help button which is what your link reminded me of. 

\define HelpButton(label, ButtonText:?)
^^(<$button popup="""$:/temp/popup/$(currentTiddler)$/$label$""" 
class='tc-btn-invisible tc-tiddlylink'>$ButtonText$)<$reveal 
type='popup' state="""$:/temp/popup/$(currentTiddler)$/$label$"""><$transclude
 
field="""$label$"""/>^^
\end

On Saturday, 7 November 2020 at 18:48:07 UTC Ste wrote:

> Ah! Have looked! Very nice. Like a posher version of Jed's help 
> Button macro! (it's somewhere from inmysocks). 
>
> On Saturday, 7 November 2020 at 15:25:29 UTC David Gifford wrote:
>
>> Here is what it looks like in practice. Click "Golden Rule, the" from the 
>> articles tab. https://giffmex.org/experiments/asterisk.modal.nt1.html
>>
>> On Saturday, November 7, 2020 at 9:02:36 AM UTC-6 David Gifford wrote:
>>
>>> I have been playing around with Eric's "hack" today. And I created an 
>>> editortoolbar button to insert the macro.
>>>
>>> Used in conjunction with the Freelinks plugin, this appears to be a 
>>> really great way to create and read content:
>>>
>>> 1. Create an article with minimal content, and add subordinate content 
>>> that can be viewed in modals without leaving the originating tiddler. This 
>>> is helpful since closing a target tiddler in some situations/view modes in 
>>> TiddlyWiki does not take you back to the originating tiddler. 
>>> 2. By inserting the macro with a button, and inputting the title, you 
>>> create a 'link' that shows the tiddler in the modal if it exists, and you 
>>> have a button in the modal to create the tiddler in edit mode if it does 
>>> not.
>>> 3. If you want links also without doing two separate steps, you can use 
>>> the Freelinks plugin.
>>>
>>> Now if only the comptext plugin gave you autocomplete suggestions for 
>>> this macro as it does for links...but even so, it is a great process for 
>>> writing articles uncluttered by all the details, but giving instant access 
>>> to those details without leaving the context of the article.
>>>
>>> Thanks again, Eric!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 6:06:18 PM UTC-6 David Gifford wrote:
>>>
 Hi all

 Any way to add a link to the tiddler after the title of the tiddler in 
 a modal? Or render the title as a link?

 I would like to make more use of modals, but I know some users will 
 want to click on a link in the modal to open up the actual tiddler, so 
 they 
 can print, drag, edit, etc.

 I know it's as simple as copying the title and putting it in the search 
 window, but some people will not pick up on that...

>>>

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Re: [tw5] Tiddlywiki Empty: The size empty.html

[Atronoush]

Hi Mark,

On Saturday, November 7, 2020 at 8:05:28 PM UTC+3:30 Mark S. wrote:

> There's more than server storage size that's important.
>
> Imagine you were an instructor who wanted to distribute and receive lesson 
> plans via TW to remote students with limited data rate accounts. Having 
> 2megs overhead for each transfer would make the whole process expensive, in 
> addition to slow. 
>

This is a real case! I have seen our colleagues use Tiddlywiki like a Word 
document. A student reads few papers, prepares a summary, discussion and 
compares important results.
He/She uses links to original papers for example on Sciencedirect! In a 
course with few number of students (in that case 17 graduate students) and 
the customized TW they use has 3.2MB size. So, for every HMW the instructor 
receives around 55MB through email or university LMS, comment/grade them 
and return like 55MB again! A ten pages Word docx is around 100kB. So for 
this class one homework is 1700 kB versus 55MB!!

So, if we think of Tiddlywiki as a personal note taking on our thumb drive, 
or personal website on GitHub 10MB or more is okay to work on a rather old 
laptop with 2MB Ram. But if we think single empty.html as a flexible 
universal document then the size matters!

I understand a single file Tidllywiki has a lot of unique features I can 
not find in a Word document, may be this the penalty we pay! more 
flexibility, more feature but bulky .html.

--Mohammad
 

>
> But, as they say, it is what it is. 
>

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[tw5] Re: Modal question (last question today, I promise)

[Ste]

Ah! Have looked! Very nice. Like a posher version of Jed's help 
Button macro! (it's somewhere from inmysocks). 

On Saturday, 7 November 2020 at 15:25:29 UTC David Gifford wrote:

> Here is what it looks like in practice. Click "Golden Rule, the" from the 
> articles tab. https://giffmex.org/experiments/asterisk.modal.nt1.html
>
> On Saturday, November 7, 2020 at 9:02:36 AM UTC-6 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> I have been playing around with Eric's "hack" today. And I created an 
>> editortoolbar button to insert the macro.
>>
>> Used in conjunction with the Freelinks plugin, this appears to be a 
>> really great way to create and read content:
>>
>> 1. Create an article with minimal content, and add subordinate content 
>> that can be viewed in modals without leaving the originating tiddler. This 
>> is helpful since closing a target tiddler in some situations/view modes in 
>> TiddlyWiki does not take you back to the originating tiddler. 
>> 2. By inserting the macro with a button, and inputting the title, you 
>> create a 'link' that shows the tiddler in the modal if it exists, and you 
>> have a button in the modal to create the tiddler in edit mode if it does 
>> not.
>> 3. If you want links also without doing two separate steps, you can use 
>> the Freelinks plugin.
>>
>> Now if only the comptext plugin gave you autocomplete suggestions for 
>> this macro as it does for links...but even so, it is a great process for 
>> writing articles uncluttered by all the details, but giving instant access 
>> to those details without leaving the context of the article.
>>
>> Thanks again, Eric!
>>
>> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 6:06:18 PM UTC-6 David Gifford wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Any way to add a link to the tiddler after the title of the tiddler in a 
>>> modal? Or render the title as a link?
>>>
>>> I would like to make more use of modals, but I know some users will want 
>>> to click on a link in the modal to open up the actual tiddler, so they can 
>>> print, drag, edit, etc.
>>>
>>> I know it's as simple as copying the title and putting it in the search 
>>> window, but some people will not pick up on that...
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Duplicated tiddlers after coppying from one wiki to another [BobLinux]

[Jed Carty]

Adding tiddler files to the tiddler folder works fine, the file system 
monitor handles adding them to the wiki correctly. If you are generating 
files on the local computer there isn't any reason not to just save the 
files that way.

Tony,

Why don't you just use the export html button in the control panel? Then 
you don't have to worry about any of that.

On Saturday, November 7, 2020 at 4:56:19 PM UTC+1 skaczm...@gmail.com wrote:

> thx Jed, is it even a proper way of transferring tiddlers between wikis? 
> About a month ago, I asked about API for "injecting" automatically 
> generated tiddlers. You fixed it for the version 1.6.2, which unfortunately 
> I am not able to run ( https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-Bob/issues/161 ), 
> that's why I thought, that maybe I will just place new tiddler file inside 
> folder, which might make things easier. What is your opinion on that?
>
>
>
> piątek, 6 listopada 2020 o 18:46:19 UTC+1 inmy...@gmail.com napisał(a):
>
>> It looks like this is a bug in Bob. I will hopefully get it fixed in the 
>> next release.
>>
>> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 11:55:47 PM UTC+1 skaczm...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Please help me understand how moving tiddlers from one wiki to another 
>>> works on BobLinux server. When I copy tiddler from one wiki to another, 
>>> within the same "index wiki" server produces duplicate with the same name 
>>> plus _1. Basically, tiddler is imported and visible ion the "destination" 
>>> wiki, but I don't understand what's the purpose of that duplicate. I need 
>>> to move over 1000 tiddlers from one wiki to another and I'm afraid, that 
>>> duplicating this number will only make things worse in the longer run.
>>>
>>> I hope, that below screenshot will explain everything. If you miss some 
>>> information please let me know, I'm still new to tiddly wiki and my lack of 
>>> knowledge might create some confusion.
>>>
>>> [image: double-tiddlers.png]
>>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Tiddlywiki Empty: The size empty.html

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

There's more than server storage size that's important.

Imagine you were an instructor who wanted to distribute and receive lesson 
plans via TW to remote students with limited data rate accounts. Having 
2megs overhead for each transfer would make the whole process expensive, in 
addition to slow. 

But, as they say, it is what it is. 

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Re: [tw5] Re: sadly seeking tiddlyspot alternatives

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

It would be useful, if, as one last favor, Simon and Daniel could share the 
code they use for their site. I'm sure it's some variation of store.php, 
but the details are important.

On Saturday, November 7, 2020 at 7:54:37 AM UTC-8, springer wrote:
>
> TiddlyTweeter, and all,
>
> I have enduring gratitude for what Simon and Daniel put together, and what 
> Tiddlyspot offered.
>
> My own question -- and I think the spirit of Alvin's post, as I read it -- 
> is: Is there not any way for something comparable to be put together and 
> supported, even if DreamHost is not amenable, and even if Simon and Daniel 
> have other priorities?
>
>


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[tw5] Re: Duplicated tiddlers after coppying from one wiki to another [BobLinux]

[skaczm...@gmail.com]

thx Jed, is it even a proper way of transferring tiddlers between wikis? 
About a month ago, I asked about API for "injecting" automatically 
generated tiddlers. You fixed it for the version 1.6.2, which unfortunately 
I am not able to run ( https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-Bob/issues/161 ), 
that's why I thought, that maybe I will just place new tiddler file inside 
folder, which might make things easier. What is your opinion on that?



piątek, 6 listopada 2020 o 18:46:19 UTC+1 inmy...@gmail.com napisał(a):

> It looks like this is a bug in Bob. I will hopefully get it fixed in the 
> next release.
>
> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 11:55:47 PM UTC+1 skaczm...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Please help me understand how moving tiddlers from one wiki to another 
>> works on BobLinux server. When I copy tiddler from one wiki to another, 
>> within the same "index wiki" server produces duplicate with the same name 
>> plus _1. Basically, tiddler is imported and visible ion the "destination" 
>> wiki, but I don't understand what's the purpose of that duplicate. I need 
>> to move over 1000 tiddlers from one wiki to another and I'm afraid, that 
>> duplicating this number will only make things worse in the longer run.
>>
>> I hope, that below screenshot will explain everything. If you miss some 
>> information please let me know, I'm still new to tiddly wiki and my lack of 
>> knowledge might create some confusion.
>>
>> [image: double-tiddlers.png]
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: sadly seeking tiddlyspot alternatives

[springer]

TiddlyTweeter, and all,

I have enduring gratitude for what Simon and Daniel put together, and what 
Tiddlyspot offered.

My own question -- and I think the spirit of Alvin's post, as I read it -- 
is: Is there not any way for something comparable to be put together and 
supported, even if DreamHost is not amenable, and even if Simon and Daniel 
have other priorities?

The more I explore alternatives to tiddlyspot, the more I'm coming up 
short. Tiddlyspot "had it all" for those of us who want to make multiple 
sites publicly available (just post the link in a chat, say, or meet 
someone in an elevator and give them a scribbled url), need to be able to 
edit from multiple locations (including computers/kiosks without software 
or storage privileges) AND who live/work in the projects enough for the 
seamless edit-save-publish workflow (with effortlessly organized backups 
tucked out of the way, to boot!) to make all the difference. 

I am tremendously appreciative of the work that Simon and Daniel put into 
making tiddlyspot happen. I wish I had the skills (and whatever time and 
money it takes) to contribute something that could begin to be a worthy 
successor to tiddlyspot, if the original tiddlyspot itself must fade away.

-Springer

On Saturday, November 7, 2020 at 10:20:14 AM UTC-5 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> Since Tiddlyspot was a favor to us. Free. We need to ask its makers very 
> humbly.
>
> The reality may be that it is gone. 
>
> I think the owners of it done more than usual to freely support us a long 
> time.
>
> Practically it would be useful to continue it.
>
> HOW is still open.
>
> Best wishes
> TT
>
>
> On Saturday, 7 November 2020 15:39:37 UTC+1, Alvin wrote:
>
>> What are the TiddlySpot options now?
>>
>> I have several ClassicTWs there, two of them especially are my 
>> online-brain, and I have them downloaded. 
>>
>> I suppose there's some way to keep using them locally, but I'd rather 
>> take them back online. 
>>
>> I had a bad experience with Dropbox, and I'd like to avoid it. 
>>
>> If I got a website (domain and hosting), how do I put them there?
>>
>> Any and all ideas are welcome.  Thank you.
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 3:47 PM springer  wrote:
>>
> Birthe (or others who run TiddlyWiki Cloud), 
>>>
>>> TiddlyWiki Cloud sounds perfect for me, since I live out of dropbox and 
>>> often run Firefox.
>>>
>>> But after trying to set up on Firefox, and successfully authenticating 
>>> for dropbox, I get a *TiddlyWiki5 in the Sky* page that seems to hang 
>>> on "Loading 48..." (and double-clicking from dropbox site gets me the 
>>> superficial html preview rather than a proper load)
>>>
>>> I understand you're not the tech support, but the links for @Arlen22* 
>>> support land me in the github wilderness... 
>>> There are various instructions at 
>>> https://github.com/Arlen22/TiddlyServer but they presume much more 
>>> confidence with command-line skills than I have...
>>>
>>> If you (or others) have tips for troubleshooting, I'd be most grateful!
>>>
>>> -Springer
>>> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 6:16:41 PM UTC-4 strikke...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 maybe you could use https://twcloud.github.io/
 It works well with dropbox and Firefox.



 Birthe


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[tw5] Re: Pasting a field of one tiddler into a specific place of the text field of another tiddler?

[odin...@gmail.com]

TW tones,

Using the  <$transclude tiddler=$:/temp/Recepten/NieuwRecept 
field=recept-quote mode=block /> worked keeping the formatting that is 
entered into the textbox. This was the last piece I needed to make it work.

Thanks for the help!
Op vrijdag 6 november 2020 om 23:33:43 UTC+1 schreef TW Tones:

> odin,
>
> What you are doing below is not paste anything, you are transcluding. As 
> soon as the temp tiddler/fields change it will be reflected .
>
>
>- Consider using the transclude widget <$transclude 
>tiddler=$:/temp/Recepten/NieuwRecept field=recept-quote mode=block /> the 
>block should render the content correctly
>- However this does not save the values 
>   - Try a New tiddler button with entries such as 
>   recept-quote={{$:/temp/Recepten/NieuwRecept!!recept-quote}} as the 
>   parameters, so the temp values will be used to create the new tiddler.
>   - Then simply use {{!!recept-quote}} to display the content of that 
>   field on the current tiddler. This can be placed in a tiddler tagged 
>   viewTemplate $:/tags/ViewTemplate
>
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
> On Friday, 6 November 2020 22:43:43 UTC+11, odin...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I am struggling with making a UI to enter recipes. I am using $edit-text 
>> to make an input box. The inputs are stored into fields of temporary 
>> tiddlers. Now I want to paste the inputs into this code below in order to 
>> make the recipe easy to read.
>> 
>> 
>>
>> {{$:/temp/Recepten/NieuwRecept!!recept-quote}}
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> {{$:/temp/Recepten/NieuwRecept!!recept-ingredienten}}
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> {{$:/temp/Recepten/NieuwRecept!!recept-instructies}}
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> {{||Onderkant recept}} 
>> 
>>
>> (the *onderkant recept* is a tiddler that shows the portion amount and 
>> other metadata that is stored into fields.)
>> I know I can use $setfield inside a $button to set fields, I am using 
>> that one for the quote in the recipe, but also the portion size etc. The 
>> thing is, when I make a list in the input box like this:
>> *potato
>> *olive
>> *onion
>> the formatting is lost when it is placed into a field. It would then show 
>> up as *potato*olive*onion inline.
>>
>> Another way I tried is to set the entire code above as a text field, but 
>> then the transclusion of the temporary tiddler doesn't happen. While the 
>> CSS is applied, it gets applied to 
>> {{$:/temp/Recepten/NieuwRecept!!recept-ingredienten}}, and not to the list
>> *potato
>> *olive
>> *onion 
>>
>> What are some ways of pasting stuff from one tiddler into a specific part 
>> of another tiddler? 
>>
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[tw5] Re: Modal question (last question today, I promise)

[David Gifford]

Here is what it looks like in practice. Click "Golden Rule, the" from the 
articles tab. https://giffmex.org/experiments/asterisk.modal.nt1.html

On Saturday, November 7, 2020 at 9:02:36 AM UTC-6 David Gifford wrote:

> I have been playing around with Eric's "hack" today. And I created an 
> editortoolbar button to insert the macro.
>
> Used in conjunction with the Freelinks plugin, this appears to be a really 
> great way to create and read content:
>
> 1. Create an article with minimal content, and add subordinate content 
> that can be viewed in modals without leaving the originating tiddler. This 
> is helpful since closing a target tiddler in some situations/view modes in 
> TiddlyWiki does not take you back to the originating tiddler. 
> 2. By inserting the macro with a button, and inputting the title, you 
> create a 'link' that shows the tiddler in the modal if it exists, and you 
> have a button in the modal to create the tiddler in edit mode if it does 
> not.
> 3. If you want links also without doing two separate steps, you can use 
> the Freelinks plugin.
>
> Now if only the comptext plugin gave you autocomplete suggestions for this 
> macro as it does for links...but even so, it is a great process for writing 
> articles uncluttered by all the details, but giving instant access to those 
> details without leaving the context of the article.
>
> Thanks again, Eric!
>
> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 6:06:18 PM UTC-6 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Any way to add a link to the tiddler after the title of the tiddler in a 
>> modal? Or render the title as a link?
>>
>> I would like to make more use of modals, but I know some users will want 
>> to click on a link in the modal to open up the actual tiddler, so they can 
>> print, drag, edit, etc.
>>
>> I know it's as simple as copying the title and putting it in the search 
>> window, but some people will not pick up on that...
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: sadly seeking tiddlyspot alternatives

[TiddlyTweeter]

Since Tiddlyspot was a favor to us. Free. We need to ask its makers very 
humbly.

The reality may be that it is gone. 

I think the owners of it done more than usual to freely support us a long 
time.

Practically it would be useful to continue it.

HOW is still open.

Best wishes
TT


On Saturday, 7 November 2020 15:39:37 UTC+1, Alvin wrote:
>
> What are the TiddlySpot options now?
>
> I have several ClassicTWs there, two of them especially are my 
> online-brain, and I have them downloaded. 
>
> I suppose there's some way to keep using them locally, but I'd rather take 
> them back online. 
>
> I had a bad experience with Dropbox, and I'd like to avoid it. 
>
> If I got a website (domain and hosting), how do I put them there?
>
> Any and all ideas are welcome.  Thank you.
>
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 3:47 PM springer  > wrote:
>
>> Birthe (or others who run TiddlyWiki Cloud), 
>>
>> TiddlyWiki Cloud sounds perfect for me, since I live out of dropbox and 
>> often run Firefox.
>>
>> But after trying to set up on Firefox, and successfully authenticating 
>> for dropbox, I get a *TiddlyWiki5 in the Sky* page that seems to hang on 
>> "Loading 48..." (and double-clicking from dropbox site gets me the 
>> superficial html preview rather than a proper load)
>>
>> I understand you're not the tech support, but the links for @Arlen22* 
>> support land me in the github wilderness... 
>> There are various instructions at https://github.com/Arlen22/TiddlyServer 
>> but 
>> they presume much more confidence with command-line skills than I have...
>>
>> If you (or others) have tips for troubleshooting, I'd be most grateful!
>>
>> -Springer
>> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 6:16:41 PM UTC-4 strikke...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> maybe you could use https://twcloud.github.io/
>>> It works well with dropbox and Firefox.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Birthe
>>>
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: NestedSliderPlugin from ClassicTW to TW5

[springer]

Alvin, I see that Tones had offered you a *better* telmiger link than the 
one I sent. I didn't know about that one; it's more "public-facing" (and 
explicitly dedicated to the sharing plugins) than the site I had found 
(which had been shared here at some point earlier in its development). 

So please forget the link I posted and use the one Tones posted: 
https://tid.li/tw5/plugins.html#DetailsWidget
On Saturday, November 7, 2020 at 10:11:34 AM UTC-5 springer wrote:

> Alvin, it's true that telmiger's site has not been made neat for visitors, 
> and has elements that are distracting. The pop-up reminder/scheduling 
> window you see is not related to the details widget, but I understand why 
> you'd be apprehensive. 
>
> Mohammad's plugins, by contrast, are very well-maintained and documented. 
> You can't go wrong with exploring Shiraz, which has many other functions 
> beyond the details ("show on demand") function. Shiraz is superb, and I 
> regularly use several functions in it, especially Dynamic Tables.
>
> I can no longer recall why I ended up relying on telmiger's details widget 
> -- it may simply be a matter of what I found and implemented first. (It 
> also may have been a worry about whether the Shiraz sliders "nest" and/or 
> have great flexibility in the "guts" of what's shown on demand.)
>
> Although it's a big effort to convert a large tiddlywiki that relies on 
> the old "Nested Sliders" syntax, I think you'll be impressed by the 
> responsiveness of TW5 once you get up and running. Cheers!
>
> -Springer
> On Saturday, November 7, 2020 at 9:54:07 AM UTC-5 Alvin wrote:
>
>> When I followed the link to DetailsWidget info, Springer, I found this.
>>
>> [image: screenshot 2020110701.jpg]
>>
>> I'm not fluent in TW5 yet, so that Save-Button Position box looks 
>> suspicious.
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 8:09 PM springer  wrote:
>>
>>> Alvin, others will have better answers, but I was in exactly your 
>>> position a year ago -- a late upgrader with quite a few plugin dependencies 
>>> worked into about 14 years'-worth of TiddlyWiki Classic projects. (Nested 
>>> Sliders, and the combination of aliases and Redirect Macro, were core to my 
>>> workflow.)
>>>
>>> I couldn't find anything that converted my existing tiddlers over to an 
>>> equivalent TW5 function; that is, all the +++ and === syntax in TWClassic 
>>> had to be reworked more or less manually, if I recall correctly. 
>>>
>>> Also, I should warn you that the word "Slider" has gotten used for 
>>> multiple functions, so searching for it leads down some dead-ends.
>>>
>>> There are various solutions though. What I ended up choosing is 
>>> TElmiger's Details Widget, discussed in this thread: 
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/sRUVnlIaT3E
>>>
>>> You can find more info here: https://tid.li/tw5/hacks.html#DetailsWidget
>>>
>>> It's not nearly as quick to deploy on the fly (in terms of typing out 
>>> markdown like +++ and ===), but the tradeoff is that it's more powerful, at 
>>> least for my purposes.
>>>
>>> I'll post this for now, in case you want to check that out. Meanwhile, 
>>> others might chime in with what works for them, and I'll also keep an eye 
>>> out for follow-up questions.
>>>
>>> -Springer
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 5:01:15 PM UTC-5 Alvin wrote:
>>>
 I'm a long-time user of ClassicTW, and I'm trying to start using TW5. 
 One of my favorite plugins was NestedSliderPlugin, but of course it 
 doesn't 
 work in TW5, and I'm not sure I would understand how to install it if it 
 did.  Is there a TW5 replacement? If so, how would I install it? And, for 
 that matter, would I use it the same way? 

 Thank you.

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[tw5] Re: Modal question (last question today, I promise)

[Atronoush]

Thank you Eric! It works great!

On Saturday, November 7, 2020 at 12:43:10 PM UTC+3:30 Eric Shulman wrote:

> On Saturday, November 7, 2020 at 12:40:39 AM UTC-8, Atronoush wrote:
>>
>>  Your solution works excellent. My question is : links do not work in 
>> modal, how one can gray out them?
>>
>
> Add this style declaration as the first line of the macro definition:
>  .tc-modal-body a { color:inherit; text-decoration:none; cursor:
> default; } 
>
> Alternatively, you can put the above CSS in a tiddler tagged with 
> $:/tags/Stylesheet (omit the  and  tags).
>
> enjoy,
> -e
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: NestedSliderPlugin from ClassicTW to TW5

[springer]

Alvin, it's true that telmiger's site has not been made neat for visitors, 
and has elements that are distracting. The pop-up reminder/scheduling 
window you see is not related to the details widget, but I understand why 
you'd be apprehensive. 

Mohammad's plugins, by contrast, are very well-maintained and documented. 
You can't go wrong with exploring Shiraz, which has many other functions 
beyond the details ("show on demand") function. Shiraz is superb, and I 
regularly use several functions in it, especially Dynamic Tables.

I can no longer recall why I ended up relying on telmiger's details widget 
-- it may simply be a matter of what I found and implemented first. (It 
also may have been a worry about whether the Shiraz sliders "nest" and/or 
have great flexibility in the "guts" of what's shown on demand.)

Although it's a big effort to convert a large tiddlywiki that relies on the 
old "Nested Sliders" syntax, I think you'll be impressed by the 
responsiveness of TW5 once you get up and running. Cheers!

-Springer
On Saturday, November 7, 2020 at 9:54:07 AM UTC-5 Alvin wrote:

> When I followed the link to DetailsWidget info, Springer, I found this.
>
> [image: screenshot 2020110701.jpg]
>
> I'm not fluent in TW5 yet, so that Save-Button Position box looks 
> suspicious.
>
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 8:09 PM springer  wrote:
>
>> Alvin, others will have better answers, but I was in exactly your 
>> position a year ago -- a late upgrader with quite a few plugin dependencies 
>> worked into about 14 years'-worth of TiddlyWiki Classic projects. (Nested 
>> Sliders, and the combination of aliases and Redirect Macro, were core to my 
>> workflow.)
>>
>> I couldn't find anything that converted my existing tiddlers over to an 
>> equivalent TW5 function; that is, all the +++ and === syntax in TWClassic 
>> had to be reworked more or less manually, if I recall correctly. 
>>
>> Also, I should warn you that the word "Slider" has gotten used for 
>> multiple functions, so searching for it leads down some dead-ends.
>>
>> There are various solutions though. What I ended up choosing is 
>> TElmiger's Details Widget, discussed in this thread: 
>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/sRUVnlIaT3E
>>
>> You can find more info here: https://tid.li/tw5/hacks.html#DetailsWidget
>>
>> It's not nearly as quick to deploy on the fly (in terms of typing out 
>> markdown like +++ and ===), but the tradeoff is that it's more powerful, at 
>> least for my purposes.
>>
>> I'll post this for now, in case you want to check that out. Meanwhile, 
>> others might chime in with what works for them, and I'll also keep an eye 
>> out for follow-up questions.
>>
>> -Springer
>>
>> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 5:01:15 PM UTC-5 Alvin wrote:
>>
>>> I'm a long-time user of ClassicTW, and I'm trying to start using TW5. 
>>> One of my favorite plugins was NestedSliderPlugin, but of course it doesn't 
>>> work in TW5, and I'm not sure I would understand how to install it if it 
>>> did.  Is there a TW5 replacement? If so, how would I install it? And, for 
>>> that matter, would I use it the same way? 
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
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[tw5] Re: Modal question (last question today, I promise)

[David Gifford]

I have been playing around with Eric's "hack" today. And I created an 
editortoolbar button to insert the macro.

Used in conjunction with the Freelinks plugin, this appears to be a really 
great way to create and read content:

1. Create an article with minimal content, and add subordinate content that 
can be viewed in modals without leaving the originating tiddler. This is 
helpful since closing a target tiddler in some situations/view modes in 
TiddlyWiki does not take you back to the originating tiddler. 
2. By inserting the macro with a button, and inputting the title, you 
create a 'link' that shows the tiddler in the modal if it exists, and you 
have a button in the modal to create the tiddler in edit mode if it does 
not.
3. If you want links also without doing two separate steps, you can use the 
Freelinks plugin.

Now if only the comptext plugin gave you autocomplete suggestions for this 
macro as it does for links...but even so, it is a great process for writing 
articles uncluttered by all the details, but giving instant access to those 
details without leaving the context of the article.

Thanks again, Eric!

On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 6:06:18 PM UTC-6 David Gifford wrote:

> Hi all
>
> Any way to add a link to the tiddler after the title of the tiddler in a 
> modal? Or render the title as a link?
>
> I would like to make more use of modals, but I know some users will want 
> to click on a link in the modal to open up the actual tiddler, so they can 
> print, drag, edit, etc.
>
> I know it's as simple as copying the title and putting it in the search 
> window, but some people will not pick up on that...
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: NestedSliderPlugin from ClassicTW to TW5

[Alvin Orzechowski]

 When I followed the link to DetailsWidget info, Springer, I found this.

[image: screenshot 2020110701.jpg]

I'm not fluent in TW5 yet, so that Save-Button Position box looks
suspicious.

On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 8:09 PM springer  wrote:

> Alvin, others will have better answers, but I was in exactly your position
> a year ago -- a late upgrader with quite a few plugin dependencies worked
> into about 14 years'-worth of TiddlyWiki Classic projects. (Nested Sliders,
> and the combination of aliases and Redirect Macro, were core to my
> workflow.)
>
> I couldn't find anything that converted my existing tiddlers over to an
> equivalent TW5 function; that is, all the +++ and === syntax in TWClassic
> had to be reworked more or less manually, if I recall correctly.
>
> Also, I should warn you that the word "Slider" has gotten used for
> multiple functions, so searching for it leads down some dead-ends.
>
> There are various solutions though. What I ended up choosing is TElmiger's
> Details Widget, discussed in this thread:
> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/sRUVnlIaT3E
>
> You can find more info here: https://tid.li/tw5/hacks.html#DetailsWidget
>
> It's not nearly as quick to deploy on the fly (in terms of typing out
> markdown like +++ and ===), but the tradeoff is that it's more powerful, at
> least for my purposes.
>
> I'll post this for now, in case you want to check that out. Meanwhile,
> others might chime in with what works for them, and I'll also keep an eye
> out for follow-up questions.
>
> -Springer
>
> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 5:01:15 PM UTC-5 Alvin wrote:
>
>> I'm a long-time user of ClassicTW, and I'm trying to start using TW5. One
>> of my favorite plugins was NestedSliderPlugin, but of course it doesn't
>> work in TW5, and I'm not sure I would understand how to install it if it
>> did.  Is there a TW5 replacement? If so, how would I install it? And, for
>> that matter, would I use it the same way?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
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[tw5] Freelinks plugin question

[David Gifford]

Hi all

I am playing around with the Freelinks official plugin.

I am just wondering if there is a way it can be set to not display links to 
the current tiddler. So that in a tiddler entitled 'Golden Rule', any 
references to the Golden Rule will not be highlighted.

Seems like that should be default behavior.

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Re: [tw5] Re: sadly seeking tiddlyspot alternatives

[Alvin Orzechowski]

What are the TiddlySpot options now?

I have several ClassicTWs there, two of them especially are my
online-brain, and I have them downloaded.

I suppose there's some way to keep using them locally, but I'd rather take
them back online.

I had a bad experience with Dropbox, and I'd like to avoid it.

If I got a website (domain and hosting), how do I put them there?

Any and all ideas are welcome.  Thank you.

On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 3:47 PM springer  wrote:

> Birthe (or others who run TiddlyWiki Cloud),
>
> TiddlyWiki Cloud sounds perfect for me, since I live out of dropbox and
> often run Firefox.
>
> But after trying to set up on Firefox, and successfully authenticating for
> dropbox, I get a *TiddlyWiki5 in the Sky* page that seems to hang on
> "Loading 48..." (and double-clicking from dropbox site gets me the
> superficial html preview rather than a proper load)
>
> I understand you're not the tech support, but the links for @Arlen22*
> support land me in the github wilderness...
> There are various instructions at https://github.com/Arlen22/TiddlyServer but
> they presume much more confidence with command-line skills than I have...
>
> If you (or others) have tips for troubleshooting, I'd be most grateful!
>
> -Springer
> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 6:16:41 PM UTC-4 strikke...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> maybe you could use https://twcloud.github.io/
>> It works well with dropbox and Firefox.
>>
>>
>>
>> Birthe
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[tw5] Re: TW 5.1.23 and Tones of New Features

[Mohammad]

*TW 5.1.23 new feature.  *

If you like a *surprise*,  go to https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/  
create a new tiddler and enter the 
below wikitext (script) and save

<$button> Click me <$action-listops  $tags="+[toggle[done]]" />   

Click the and see the result!  Ah this is a killer feature!
Thank you Saq!

--Mohammad

On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 3:41:51 PM UTC+3:30 Atronoush wrote:

> I have noted Jeremy, Saq, BTC, and some other are very busy to fix bugs 
> and bring new features to TW 5.1.23 (have a look at 
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5 to see the number of PR, Issues 
> have been resolved!)
>
> Thank you all!
>
>
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[tw5] Re: Lightweight diagrams (e.g. concept maps)?

[TiddlyTweeter]

PMario wrote:
>
>
> ... So for me it looks like a 20/80 approach. 20% of time invested to get 
> 80% of functions out of it.
>
> This gives you the possibility to implement 5 different libs (as seen at: 
> https://gt6796c.github.io/) at the same time as doing 100% for 1 library. 
> ... (sometimes) That's a good idea 
>

 Right. Ambitious but useful.

It seems none of the libraries took of (eg: lack of feedback), 
>

Right. There was virtually no feedback at all. Though the tool really 
needed a lot to help the author.

I am pretty sure that is why its development froze. They got no feedback.

--- 

The "Mermaid" approach is interesting.

Mainly because  it is a unifying front-end that, if done well, would save a 
lot of hassle.

Best wishes
TT

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Re: [tw5] Re: [Tiddly Research] Public release

[Keelan Cook]

I supposed that could be the case, but it seems unlikely, seeing as how
it's just a tag switch. Any new feature that would somehow be dependent
upon that particular tag could mostly likely be edited as easily to your
desired tag. If that's somehow not the case, bulk editing all of your
tiddler tags with the commander mentioned above would certainly be an
option.

That said, if your preference is to go ahead and switch to the theme
consistent tags, you could "set and forget".

On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 5:41 AM Pedro  wrote:

> Keelan, yes, indeed it seems to be an easier approach, but is it better?
> My concern is on losing support for future updates to TiddlyResearch.
>
>
> --
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>
>
> *PhD candidate in Computer Science*
>
> *Institute of Computing - University of Campinas*
>
>
> Em sex., 6 de nov. de 2020 às 17:16, Keelan Cook 
> escreveu:
>
>> Pedro, concerning those journal tiddlers, it might be easier to go the
>> other way around. That's what I did. I changed the .daily-tiddler tag in
>> TiddlyResearch to use Journal instead. That allowed my existing tiddlers
>> from an older wiki to pull in fine. Only had to change one thing that way
>> instead of changing all of the older tiddlers, and it allowed me to
>> continue with my naming conventions. Just a thought.
>>
>> On Friday, November 6, 2020 at 9:06:55 AM UTC-6 odin...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> @pedro,
>>>
>>> have a look at Mohammad's Tiddler Commander plugin. I think it was made
>>> specifically for such large batch operations such replacing a large amount
>>> of tags.
>>>
>>> https://github.com/kookma/TW-Commander
>>>
>>> Op vrijdag 6 november 2020 om 14:39:57 UTC+1 schreef pdro...@gmail.com:
>>>
 Hi,

 Kebi, thank you very much for your contribution. Your project fits
 perfectly well for my research annotations and I'm looking forward to port
 my current notes to a tw powered by TiddlyResearch. Looks like it will be
 not that hard. I just need to figure out how to do some batch modifications
 (as replacing "Journal" tags by ".daily-tiddler") to my tiddles so they can
 better fit TiddlyResearch default tags and organization. By the way, do you
 have any tips on that sense?

 Moreover, can I add new sidebar tabs? For instance, a tab capable of
 indexing all tiddlers tagged as ".potato"?

 --
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 *PhD candidate in Computer Science*

 *Institute of Computing - University of Campinas*


 Em qui., 5 de nov. de 2020 às 22:46, clutterstack 
 escreveu:

> I just found this. Very nice edition.
>
> On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 8:20:42 AM UTC-4 kebi wrote:
>
>> *v.1.0.3 tiddlyresearch-references plugin update*
>>
>> https://github.com/kebifurai/TiddlyResearch/releases/tag/v1.0.3ref
>>
>> With this version you can customize your references settings directly
>> from the tiddlyresearch-references/config tab.
>>
>> Now you can:
>>
>>- enable/disable different filters
>>- enable/disable filters for single nodes
>>- change the background and text color of the reference buttons
>>
>> To install this new version just drag and drop the .json file inside
>> your wiki.
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: [Tiddly Research] Public release

[Pedro]

Keelan, yes, indeed it seems to be an easier approach, but is it better? My
concern is on losing support for future updates to TiddlyResearch.


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Em sex., 6 de nov. de 2020 às 17:16, Keelan Cook 
escreveu:

> Pedro, concerning those journal tiddlers, it might be easier to go the
> other way around. That's what I did. I changed the .daily-tiddler tag in
> TiddlyResearch to use Journal instead. That allowed my existing tiddlers
> from an older wiki to pull in fine. Only had to change one thing that way
> instead of changing all of the older tiddlers, and it allowed me to
> continue with my naming conventions. Just a thought.
>
> On Friday, November 6, 2020 at 9:06:55 AM UTC-6 odin...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> @pedro,
>>
>> have a look at Mohammad's Tiddler Commander plugin. I think it was made
>> specifically for such large batch operations such replacing a large amount
>> of tags.
>>
>> https://github.com/kookma/TW-Commander
>>
>> Op vrijdag 6 november 2020 om 14:39:57 UTC+1 schreef pdro...@gmail.com:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Kebi, thank you very much for your contribution. Your project fits
>>> perfectly well for my research annotations and I'm looking forward to port
>>> my current notes to a tw powered by TiddlyResearch. Looks like it will be
>>> not that hard. I just need to figure out how to do some batch modifications
>>> (as replacing "Journal" tags by ".daily-tiddler") to my tiddles so they can
>>> better fit TiddlyResearch default tags and organization. By the way, do you
>>> have any tips on that sense?
>>>
>>> Moreover, can I add new sidebar tabs? For instance, a tab capable of
>>> indexing all tiddlers tagged as ".potato"?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Pedro Alves
>>>
>>>
>>> *PhD candidate in Computer Science*
>>>
>>> *Institute of Computing - University of Campinas*
>>>
>>>
>>> Em qui., 5 de nov. de 2020 às 22:46, clutterstack 
>>> escreveu:
>>>
 I just found this. Very nice edition.

 On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 8:20:42 AM UTC-4 kebi wrote:

> *v.1.0.3 tiddlyresearch-references plugin update*
>
> https://github.com/kebifurai/TiddlyResearch/releases/tag/v1.0.3ref
>
> With this version you can customize your references settings directly
> from the tiddlyresearch-references/config tab.
>
> Now you can:
>
>- enable/disable different filters
>- enable/disable filters for single nodes
>- change the background and text color of the reference buttons
>
> To install this new version just drag and drop the .json file inside
> your wiki.
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[tw5] Re: TW 5.1.23 and Tones of New Features

[Mohammad]

TW 5.1.23 new feature.

go to https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/ create a new tiddler and enter the 
below wikitext (script)

{{{[[The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog]search-replace[dog],[cat]] 
}}}  

and see the results.

Multi inputs filter operator!

Thank you Saq, Jeremy!

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On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 3:41:51 PM UTC+3:30 Atronoush wrote:

> I have noted Jeremy, Saq, BTC, and some other are very busy to fix bugs 
> and bring new features to TW 5.1.23 (have a look at 
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5 to see the number of PR, Issues 
> have been resolved!)
>
> Thank you all!
>
>
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[tw5] Re: Is there any way to export TiddlyWiki to a list of markdown files?

[Donald Coates]

wow this is nice thank you!

On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 2:46:07 AM UTC-5, Victor Dorneanu wrote:
>
> I've done this before using these instructions here: 
> https://davidalfonso.es/posts/migrating-from-tiddlywiki-to-markdown-files
>
> The original gitlab repository from David Alfonso doesn't exist anymore. 
> But I've created a fork which you can find here: 
> https://gitlab.com/vdorneanu/tiddlywiki-migrator
>
> I've used this method to convert tiddlers to markdown files which then 
> were "compiled" by hugo (https://github.com/gohugoio/hugo) to some html 
> files.
>
> Kind regards,
> Victor 
>
> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 7:15:03 AM UTC+1 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Perhaps some more information.
>>
>> When you say HTML do you mean a tiddlywiki?
>>
>> You can make your own templates and export tool, also now with the recent 
>> JSZip plugin you can bundle tiddlers into a zip that you can then expand in 
>> a folder.
>>
>> Where you have seen talk of generating static sites you can follow a 
>> similar method to generate any filetype you fancy.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, 4 November 2020 21:04:12 UTC+11, Ilyusha Nicolas wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a html with many tiddlers, with tags and links. I want to find a 
>>> way to export this html to a list of markdown files such that each tiddler 
>>> corresponds to a markdown file, each link to X shows up as "[[X]]" in the 
>>> output markdown file, similarly with tags?
>>>
>>>

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Re: [tw5] Tiddlywiki Empty: The size empty.html

[TiddlyTweeter]

>
> TiddlyTweeter > suggested:
>
 

> I think a few tests showing the benefit of GZippery on this might help 
>> show a larger core is not, in itself, a major issue for most use cases.
>
>  
Jeremy Ruston replied:
 

> GZip is enabled for tiddlywiki.com, so an interesting test case is to 
> look at https://tiddlywiki.com/upgrade.html; it’s the largest html file 
> on tiddlywiki.com because it includes a copy of every 
> plugin/theme/language for upgrade purposes.
>
> Using the “Network” tab of developer tools, the HTML file shows as taking 
> 16.5MB on disc, but only 4.3MB when it is transmitted by the server in its 
> compressed form.
>

Ciao Jeremy

Good example! 

Basically proves the point that for online performance, particularly for 
the important *user experience of "load time"* , it is not core *size* per 
se that is often the issue. It is simply about knowing how to leverage 
server to optimally use commonly available methods for reduced bandwidth 
delivery.

Best wishes
TT

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Re: [tw5] Tiddlywiki Empty: The size empty.html

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi TT

> On 7 Nov 2020, at 09:53, TiddlyTweeter  wrote:
> 
> 
> Right. I think a few tests showing the benefit of GZippery on this might help 
> show a larger core is not, in itself, a major issue for most use cases.

GZip is enabled for tiddlywiki.com , so an interesting 
test case is to look at https://tiddlywiki.com/upgrade.html 
; it’s the largest html file on 
tiddlywiki.com  because it includes a copy of every 
plugin/theme/language for upgrade purposes.

Using the “Network” tab of developer tools, the HTML file shows as taking 
16.5MB on disc, but only 4.3MB when it is transmitted by the server in its 
compressed form.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

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Re: [tw5] Tiddlywiki Empty: The size empty.html

[TiddlyTweeter]

Jeremy Ruston wrote:

(My emphasis)
 

> ... right now the goal for the core is for it to contain not the bare 
> minimum possible functionality, but rather the functionality that has the 
> *potential 
> to be universally useful*. That broader criteria means that the core 
> itself is sufficient for a lot of work with TiddlyWiki, *making the life 
> of users and developers a lot easier*. 
>

Practically I agree. It has been my experience in churning out work for 
quick purposes its got *a lot easier * as the core has expanded. It avoids 
having to manage a vast shopping list of plugins.

Of course the question of what "universally useful" (i.e. widely relevant) 
functions are can be argued over. But my overall impression is that choices 
over extensions of the core have been very well measured--if anything 
slightly too "conservative".


> A consideration ... is whether it really matters that the core gets big, 
> especially *now that we’re in a world where a simple news story weighs 
> 20MB.* There are valid concerns about slow networks but the best solution 
> there is to *set the server up with GZip compression* ...
>

Right. I think a few tests showing the benefit of GZippery on this might 
help show a larger core is not, in itself, a major issue for most use cases.

What performance issues I've had are have never been to do with core size 
per se; rather that have been about in-efficiency in some design decision I 
took (handling large numbers of tags being one of them; screen refresh 
implications another).

Best wishes
TT 

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[tw5] Re: Modal question (last question today, I promise)

[Eric Shulman]

On Saturday, November 7, 2020 at 12:40:39 AM UTC-8, Atronoush wrote:
>
>  Your solution works excellent. My question is : links do not work in 
> modal, how one can gray out them?
>

Add this style declaration as the first line of the macro definition:
 .tc-modal-body a { color:inherit; text-decoration:none !important; 
cursor:default; } 

Alternatively, you can put the above CSS in a tiddler tagged with 
$:/tags/Stylesheet (omit the  and  tags).

enjoy,
-e

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[tw5] Re: Modal question (last question today, I promise)

[Atronoush]

Hi Eric,
 Your solution works excellent. My question is : links do not work in 
modal, how one can gray out them?

--Atro

On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 10:07:31 PM UTC+3:30 Eric Shulman wrote:

> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 7:23:45 AM UTC-8, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> I just want to make it easier to open modals as tiddlers, for me, to edit 
>> them, and for users, to print them...a simple link to open the tiddler from 
>> the modal...
>
>
> It's sort of a hack, but here's an example, using $action-listops to 
> directly modify the $:/StoryList!!list field contents:
> <$button> open modal
><$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/temp/modal"
>   subtitle="Demo Modal"
>   text="Message goes here"
>   footer="""
>  <$button message="tm-close-tiddler"> close
> <$action-deletetiddler $tiddler="$:/temp/modal"/>
>  
>  <$button message="tm-close-tiddler"> view
> <$action-listops $tiddler="$:/StoryList" 
> $subfilter="[[$:/temp/modal]]" />
>  
>  <$button message="tm-close-tiddler"> edit
> <$navigator>
> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-edit-tiddler" 
> $param="$:/temp/modal" />
> <$action-listops $tiddler="$:/StoryList" $subfilter="[[Draft 
> of '$:/temp/modal']]" />
> 
>  
>   """ />
><$action-sendmessage $message="tm-modal" $param="$:/temp/modal" />
> 
>
> Notes:
> 1) The $action-listops puts the tiddler at the end of the 
> $:/StoryList!!list
> 2) To move the tiddler to the start of the $:/StoryList!!list, you can 
> use: $subfilter="[[$:/temp/modal]] +[putfirst[]]"
> 3) In either case, modifying the $:/StoryList!!list *does not scroll the 
> tiddler into view*.
>
> enjoy,
> -e
>

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