[tw5] Re: Conference announcement: Collaboration on Google Groups

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On Wednesday, October 2, 2019 at 7:27:54 AM UTC-4, Cd.K wrote:
>
> ...
>
> TiddlyWiki is not organized. 
>
> ...
>
> I found TiddlyWiki after I decided to organize myself better with the help 
> of wiki software. ...
>
>
Those two sentences in the same post made me laugh. 

You are so right.

I found Tiddlywiki for similar reasons. 

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[tw5] Re: Arlen Good igea for Gzipping $:/core

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I had to read through the comments on github a couple of times to 
understand the proposal.

I'm against it being a part of the default TiddlyWiki (empty.html) because 
it won't benefit serving TiddlyWiki from a properly configured web server 
(which should gzip the file before transmitting it). But, I do see your 
point about it saving (a surprising amount of space) for other methods of 
deliver (like the email use-case described in the github thread).

I do think it is an interesting idea.

On Sunday, September 15, 2019 at 6:35:12 AM UTC-4, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Aren has given a great proposal at
>
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/4262#issue-493686392
>
> to gzip the $:/core and minimize the size of core!
>
> I support his idea! If you agree discuss this or vote on GitHub
>
> --Mohammad
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[tw5] Re: 404 Error With WebDAV but Not Via File

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If you want to test your WebDAV server as a filesystem with windows, you 
want to map it as a drive to access it. When you use file:// in the 
browser, you aren't testing the WebDAV server, just your local hard drive.

To map a WebDAV server on Windows (7, 8, 9, or 10) ...

   - Open the windows file manager
   - Choose Map a Network Drive (under Home -> Easy access -> map as drive)
   - Enter the base URL (https://server.domain.dom/dav) for the WebDAV 
   (same as you used in tiddlywiki but without the filename)
   - Check Connect using different credentials
   - Use the credentials for the webdav server


If the WebDav server is working properly, you should see it as a mapped 
drive and be able to use file explorer to read/write files.


On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 6:34:45 PM UTC-4, Kevin Kleinfelter wrote:
>
> I should add that I got this .html file by doing a 'wget' to download the 
> .html file from a Node.js TiddlyWiki.  i.e. I'm trying to convert a wiki 
> from Node.js to WebDAV.
>
> On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 5:07:51 PM UTC-4, Kevin Kleinfelter wrote:
>>
>> I'm getting 
>> syncer-browser-tiddlyweb - 17:03:04 22 6 2019
>>
>> XMLHttpRequest error code: 404
>> and
>> syncer-browser-tiddlyweb - 17:03:06 22 6 2019
>>
>> Sync error while processing '$:/StoryList 
>> ': 
>> XMLHttpRequest error code: 404
>> when I serve my TW5 via WebDAV.  But when I access the SAME file via 
>> file:// I do not get errors.
>>
>> Any suggestions as to how I might solve this?
>> tnx
>> Kevin Kleinfelter
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: workaround for apache webdav

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On Tuesday, March 19, 2019 at 10:27:46 AM UTC-4, PMario wrote:
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> On Tuesday, March 19, 2019 at 1:42:43 PM UTC+1, Lost Admin wrote:
>>
>> I wonder if that is going to make it into the core saver if/when it is 
>> determined to be stable. I would happily add compression to my WebDav sites 
>> at that point.
>>
>
> Hi, 
>
> It would be nice, if you could test it with your setup. ... and give 
> feedback :)
>

I will be testing it on my setup. I only learned it existed today.
 

>
> It uses the exact same "program flow" as the existing etag version (since 
> TW V5.1.17). 
>
> The problem with etags seem to be "vendor related". As we fixed a bug in 
> the etag handling <https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/3230>, 
> we found out, that every vendor (apache, nginx, IIS) seem to have a 
> different opinion, how etags should be calculated. ... All of them had the 
> "compression problem". 
>
> have fun!
> mario
>
>

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[tw5] Re: workaround for apache webdav

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I wonder if that is going to make it into the core saver if/when it is 
determined to be stable. I would happily add compression to my WebDav sites 
at that point.

On Tuesday, March 19, 2019 at 6:41:38 AM UTC-4, PMario wrote:
>
> Hi folks, 
>
> I did upload BETA 0.1.0 ... https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/webdav-lm/
>
> It would be nice to get feedback. 
>
> I did test it with IIS and FF. 
>
> have fun!
> mario
>

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[tw5] Re: workaround for apache webdav

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I use Apache with WebDav for my TiddlyWiki server. Https and basic auth 
both enabled. My config, with explanation is 
here: http://thelostadmin.tiddlyspot.com/#Apache%20HTTPD%20with%20WebDAV

If it's not working, let me know what is wrong and I'll double-check my 
current actual config.

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[tw5] Re: A TiddlyWiki for Dummies series ...

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"Saving Your First TiddlyWiki" should be the #1 tutorial for beginners.

There are so many choices with their own advantages and limitations. A 
beginner doesn't need to know all of them. A beginner needs to know the 
easier options and where to learn about all the other options.

On Tuesday, March 5, 2019 at 11:04:17 AM UTC-5, S. S. wrote:
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>
> So many have said TiddlyWiki *MUST HAVE THIS.*
>
> So if it is wanted, *How should the series be named?*
>
>

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[tw5] Re: XSS Vulnerability and other security concerns

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Hi Steve,

On the topic of your first point, TiddlySpot PHP... TiddlySpot uses a 
program on the server to save the Tiddlywiki file. When you press the save 
button on your tiddlywiki, it makes a call to the server side program to 
save itself on the server.

The team is saying they need to review the server side script, apparently 
written in PHP. I reviewed a variation of that script. In my opinion the 
version I reviewed is adequate for a hobby site. I would want a lot of 
enhancements to it for anything serious (but that's just my opinion).

On the second point, there are really 2 issues in the one point. 

First is that anyone with access to save a tiddlywiki on your site could 
modify the javascript that makes tiddlywiki work. Since tiddlywiki is 
giving you the ability to edit the javascript within the tiddlywiki, it is 
easy for anyone who has access to it to modify and save it so that it 
affects the next person to view the tiddlywiki.

Second is the issue of cross-site-scripting (XSS). That is, because the 
core of tiddlywiki can be modified by anyone who can save a tiddlywiki, 
they can have it call outside scripts (this is how things like the discus 
plugin work). The problem is, like the first part, once one person modifies 
it, it is affected by everyone else who uses the tiddlywiki.

In summary, tiddlywiki requires a very high level of trust in everyone who 
can edit a tiddlywiki document. As such, it may not be appropriate for 
environments where you shouldn't place a high level of trust in your users. 
Like say the students at a University.

The node.js version of Tiddlywiki might be a bit better in addressing the 
above, but it would still need to prevent the users from saving any 
javascript.

On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 9:47:20 AM UTC-5, st...@sunypoly.edu 
wrote:
>
> Hello old friends,
>
> I'm working with the CIO at my University to see if it is possible to 
> serve tiddlywiki files on our Web site.
>
> These are two concerns that have been raised:
>
>
>- Adding the TiddlySpot PHP script to enable rewriting from the 
>browser is a potential security vulnerability that needs to be thoroughly 
>vetted by the web team. 
>- Exposing core JS files that can be publicly edited and have changes 
>applied from the browser is a potential XSS vulnerability.
>
>
> Not sure what the first means ("TiddlySpot PHP" script  - I had sent him a 
> wiki served on TiddlySpot as an example of a page I wanted to host on our 
> site). Could I eliminate that by building wikis from scratch on the 
> desktop, or using TiddlyDesktop, or even on google drive?
>
> The second - any thoughts? Can changes to the JS be applied from the 
> browser? 
>
> (Is this question better asked in the TiddlyWiki dev group 
>  
> -- a place I've always feared entering... :)?
>
> Thanks for your help!
>
> //steve.
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: OAuth -- is it so difficult?

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I haven't done anything other than a quick search, but it appears that 
there is a OAUTH2 module for Apache (on sourceforge).

There is also mod_auth_openidc (open ID connector) on Github.

Without having looked into either of these, I'm guessing, but I imagine 
they would allow you to put OAUTH in front of a tiddlywiki served through 
Apache (either directly or as a reverse proxy).


On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 11:37:15 AM UTC-5, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> I wonder if we can OAuth logging on server versions?
>
> The benefit is users don't need to create yet another login.
>
> J
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[tw5] Re: Launch nodejs TiddlyWiki server on repl.it with single click

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I am curious: what do you consider to be sufficient to qualify as a "secure 
personal wiki host"?

https (I assume is obvious),
Actual host-based authentication (I would also assume is obvious).


On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 4:07:46 AM UTC-5, TonyM wrote:
>
> Brian,
>
> I signed up to there $7 Per month hacker account, and now loading my 8Mb 
> Wiki on it to see if it is viable as a secure personal wiki host. 
>
> It looks promising, However I am getting the following message;
>  syncer-browser-tiddlyweb - 20:01:56 18 12 2018 
>
> XMLHttpRequest  error 
> code: 404
>
>
> Then every time I open a tiddler
>  syncer-browser-tiddlyweb - 20:05:00 18 12 2018 
>
> Sync error while processing '$:/StoryList 
> ': XMLHttpRequest 
>  error code: 404
>
>
> And unfortunately importing the whole wiki of tiddlers, they are all 
> created today.
>
>
> Anyway,
>
>
> I will post about what I learn.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 2:30:12 PM UTC+11, Brian Theado wrote:
>>
>> https://repl.it/ allows you to spin up an online project for one of many 
>> programming languages (https://repl.it/languages) including javascript + 
>> nodejs.
>>
>> Any npm package can be included in the project, including the TiddlyWiki 
>> package. If the code you run listens on a TCP port, then your project will 
>> automatically get its own web address.
>>
>> I created a project at https://repl.it/@BrianTheado/TiddlyWiki which 
>> includes the TiddlyWiki package and starts it listening and it got the web 
>> address https://tiddlywiki.briantheado.repl.co/
>>
>> If you click on the fork button at 
>> https://repl.it/@BrianTheado/TiddlyWiki, then you will get your own 
>> instance of the project. You will get your own url and your own tiddler 
>> storage.  You can use it to play around and learn the nodejs side of 
>> TiddlyWiki. It will take a minute or two for your forked instance to launch 
>> and for the npm package to install.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Launch nodejs TiddlyWiki server on repl.it with single click

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The first bullet point indicates, to me, that your existing tiddlywiki 
files (or tiddler files) will get updated by tiddlywiki (node.js) but you 
won't see those changes unless you stop and start your instance.

The 3rd line similarly would allow new tiddler files to be created by 
node.js but would not let you see them until you restarted the instance.

On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 7:07:08 AM UTC-5, Brian Theado wrote:
>
> Tony,
>
> From https://repl.it/site/docs/repls/files:
>
> While you can programmatically create files in project mode, there are a 
> few caveats:
>
>
>- *When you change a file through your program, those changes will not 
>   be reflected until the repl stops running*
>   - Directories/folders cannot be programmatically generated or 
>   removed
>   - Files cannot be deleted or renamed programmatically (but it can 
>   be done manually from the file tree )
>
> Maybe what you are experiencing it related to the above restrictions. I 
> don't quite understand those restrictions, because the way I read it, it 
> doesn't seem like TW should work at all. Maybe you could try restarting 
> your repl (hit the run button).
>
> If that doesn't work, then I suggest seeing what urls your browser is 
> requesting and see if that gives any clues.
>
> Repl.it is not open source.
>
> Was there some restriction on storage for a free account which forced you 
> into a paid plan?
>
> Brian
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 4:07 AM TonyM > 
> wrote:
>
>> Brian,
>>
>> I signed up to there $7 Per month hacker account, and now loading my 8Mb 
>> Wiki on it to see if it is viable as a secure personal wiki host. 
>>
>> It looks promising, However I am getting the following message;
>>  syncer-browser-tiddlyweb - 20:01:56 18 12 2018 
>>
>> XMLHttpRequest  error 
>> code: 404
>>
>>
>> Then every time I open a tiddler
>>  syncer-browser-tiddlyweb - 20:05:00 18 12 2018 
>>
>> Sync error while processing '$:/StoryList 
>> ': XMLHttpRequest 
>>  error code: 404
>>
>>
>> And unfortunately importing the whole wiki of tiddlers, they are all 
>> created today.
>>
>>
>> Anyway,
>>
>>
>> I will post about what I learn.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 2:30:12 PM UTC+11, Brian Theado wrote:
>>>
>>> https://repl.it/ allows you to spin up an online project for one of 
>>> many programming languages (https://repl.it/languages) including 
>>> javascript + nodejs.
>>>
>>> Any npm package can be included in the project, including the TiddlyWiki 
>>> package. If the code you run listens on a TCP port, then your project will 
>>> automatically get its own web address.
>>>
>>> I created a project at https://repl.it/@BrianTheado/TiddlyWiki which 
>>> includes the TiddlyWiki package and starts it listening and it got the web 
>>> address https://tiddlywiki.briantheado.repl.co/
>>>
>>> If you click on the fork button at 
>>> https://repl.it/@BrianTheado/TiddlyWiki, then you will get your own 
>>> instance of the project. You will get your own url and your own tiddler 
>>> storage.  You can use it to play around and learn the nodejs side of 
>>> TiddlyWiki. It will take a minute or two for your forked instance to launch 
>>> and for the npm package to install.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
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[tw5] CSS question: can I modify display based on server hostname in the http call?

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Probably best to explain with examples so ...

If I go to *https://admin.example.com/website/* I want have the sidebar 
(and edit-tools) show. This would be the default behavior for tiddlywiki.

But if I go to https://website.example.com/ I will be shown the same 
tiddlywiki file but I want to hide all the editing/admin functionality of 
tiddlywiki so it looks more like a normal website.

I'm using Tiddlywiki as a sort of CMS for some very small hobby projects. I 
want the public facing side of things to look like normal websites. I 
expect I should be able to have CSS that makes the administrative parts of 
tiddlywiki display:none. I've seen some examples of conditional display 
(related to screen resolution). Is there a way to do it based on hostname 
or a cookie (I could have the web server set a cookie).

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[tw5] Re: Hosting TW on a raspberry pi server access via android phone?

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Ah! Thanks. 

Seriously after reading this thread I was considering installing NextCloud 
to get a few more features than running jsut Apache mod_dav. Now I know not 
to do that.

On Thursday, November 22, 2018 at 9:20:57 AM UTC-5, PMario wrote:
>
> On Thursday, November 22, 2018 at 3:12:01 PM UTC+1, Lost Admin wrote:
>>
>> Pardon my late question, but is there something wrong with using the 
>> TiddlyWiki builtin WebDav saver? If I read the Nextcloud documentation 
>> correctly, it has WebDav support and Tiddlywiki saves to webdav pretty well.
>>
>
> There is nothing wrong wit the TW WedDav saver. ... BUT as I wrote 
> nextcloud doesn't allow PUT saves for security reasons. You'll need to read 
> the nextcloud docs. 
>
> -m
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Hosting TW on a raspberry pi server access via android phone?

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Pardon my late question, but is there something wrong with using the 
TiddlyWiki builtin WebDav saver? If I read the Nextcloud documentation 
correctly, it has WebDav support and Tiddlywiki saves to webdav pretty well.

On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 10:48:51 AM UTC-5, Stefan Pfister wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> i have a raspberry pi nas server up and running with the image 
> nextcloudpi. That means nextcloud is running and accessible over web. How 
> can I host a tiddlywiki-file on this server? With the ability to save? 
> Tried to look up webdav. But I don't find a solution for a beginner like 
> me. I want to use my TW-File on my android phone.
>
> On the desktop there is tiddly-desktop, on ios there is quine, but on 
> android there is only the buggy and outdated andtidwiki. It's really 
> unuseable. I wonder if there is  a possible solution with my own server,.
>
> I need a little help. Every idea is welcome.
>
> Greetings
> Stefan
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Suggestions or tips how I can host my Tiddlywiki online?

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How good are you at secure system administration?

I run a tiny VM (hosted with Vultr, similar to Digital Ocean) and host my 
own TW on a webdav server I set-up with Apache and mod_dav, and TLS 
enabled. It is password protected but currently password administration 
requires logging in to the command line to update the Apache password file 
(htpasswd command). TLS certificate is provided by Let's Encrypt.

The nice thing about using WebDav is that I can remote-mount it on Windows 
as a network drive and also reach it using an web browser.

I don't (yet) have 2FA but considering setting up TLS-client certificate 
authentication. Since I don't want to pay for an e-mail cert and Let's 
Encrypt doesn't offer that (or didn't the last time I checked), I'm 
thinking of creating my own private CA infrastructure on my home PC to 
manage client certs.

Of course, I only have 1 user (me).

You might also want to look at NoteSelf (built on TiddlyWiki) and 
tiddlyspot.com (no SSL, but TiddlyWiki does support encrypted wikis).

On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 2:32:25 PM UTC-5, Robert Freiberger wrote:
>
> Hello, 
>
> I posted earlier that I was having issues with two computers accessing a 
> shared Dropbox Tiddywiki. Then I started to think about I can just have 
> this hosted online which might be easier. I searched around but I wasn't 
> sure how much work this would take and if it's actually secure? 
>
> Ideally, I would like to be able to host my Tiddlywiki online (I'm hoping 
> I can use Google Cloud or Digital Ocean) and make sure it's locked down 
> from the public. I was thinking about some weird workarounds but the core 
> goal is that I could host it in a shared location online and access it 
> securely from multiple locations with a password (even better if I could 
> use 2FA, or public key). 
>
> Thank you,
> Robert
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Re: [tw5] PHP 5.6 EOL on December 31, what does this mean for the PHP saver?

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The IP address for tiddlyspot.com is issued to Dreamhost.com. Dreamhost is 
a California US based company. But they could have servers anywhere. 

On Thursday, November 8, 2018 at 10:27:37 AM UTC-5, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Is the EU looking at small sites that narrowly?
>
> Where is tiddlyspot.com located? (All the whois info is redacted). Does 
> tiddlyspot have to follow these rules?
>
> -- Mark
>
> On Thursday, November 8, 2018 at 5:35:33 AM UTC-8, Sven Wetzel wrote:
>>
>>
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[tw5] PHP 5.6 EOL on December 31, what does this mean for the PHP saver?

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Hi all,

I saw this in the tech news today:

https://www.zdnet.com/article/around-62-of-all-internet-sites-will-run-an-unsupported-php-version-in-10-weeks/

When I first started with TiddlyWiki I used the store.php (Tobias Beer has 
a link http://tobibeer.github.io/tb5/#store.php). It wouldn't work with PHP 
7 and required PHP 5. It appears at least one of us has updated it to run 
on PHP7 (https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/72FpRZLyFMY/m_O6HQgNCAAJ
).

I wonder how many of us that still use it need to make updates or otherwise 
don't care about running unsupported PHP? 

I've moved everything to WebDAV (
http://thelostadmin.tiddlyspot.com/#Apache%20HTTPD%20with%20WebDAV).


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[tw5] Re: free host with ability to add a Google Domains domain, secure https pw?

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I am not aware of a way to do this freely. You *might* be able to find some 
free hosting that supports PHP and install the PHP script that supports the 
tiddlyspot saver. But the ones I know of that could do this only give you 
https if you buy the cert through them and many only offer your custom 
domain in the for-pay service.

If you have the skills to set-up and maintain Linux (or FreeBSD in my 
case), you can get a pretty cheap VM that would handle a low-use TW5 site 
(say under 10 users). This is how I host my own with TLS and my own domain.

On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 11:19:44 AM UTC-4, John Benjamin wrote:
>
> I need a free way to host TW5, editable in browser and uploaded with 
> tiddlyspot saver plugin, but secure password https, and I need a way to do 
> it freely. Any ideas? With Github pages you have to use a different editor 
> than edit directly as website. TiddlySpot doesn't have custom domain adding 
> support of Google Domains and no secure password. Please help find a way to 
> do it freely.
>

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[tw5] Re: Query -- Who is the competition?

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I have two use cases for TiddlyWiki.

As an Internet accessible note-taking and information organizing tool. In 
this space the competition is OneNote and EverNote. I prefer TiddlyWiki 
because I can keep the notes on MY server and out of the hands of 
advertisers.

As a simple content management system. Think very small web-sites. These 
are too small for something like WordPress. Two specific examples:

   - Home "intranet" single tiddlywiki that is mostly enhanced bookmarks. 
   Tabs for "admin" that links to the admin interfaces on all the devices on 
   my network (and service providers like ISP), "media" which links to my plex 
   server, tablo (network PVR), and various services for things like online TV 
   listings, netflix, etc.
   - Work (static file on work laptop) that links to the tools I use 
   commonly (which is just glorified bookmarks) and notes where I've copied 
   internal content from a variety of different sources that are relevant to 
   me. It also has a number of "journal" entries that are templates for the 
   content of e-mails I send regularly so I can cut-and-paste the content. I 
   guess the competition here would be MS Word, browser bookmarks, and trying 
   to get approval for a personal SharePoint page.


On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 11:27:38 AM UTC-4, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> When you, experienced people, look at the rivals to TiddlyWiki ... what 
> would you say they were?
>
> It can be as loose as you like. I'm simply trying to better understand 
> TiddlyWiki's main market sector.
>
> Josiah
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[tw5] Re: [Opinion] Lack Of Fanfare Is Not Good

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On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 8:15:42 AM UTC-4, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Mark S., in another thread commented about releases ...
>  
>
>> It just feels like there should be a little more fanfare (maybe a thread 
>> announcement) when major changes are deployed. 
>
>
> I agree.
>
> We lack a Marketing Department or Deeper Briefings. 
>
> IMO we entirely undersell TW and its huge ability. I mean, even us using 
> it often hardly notice major innovation. How is a new user to understand 
> its flexi-evolution? 
>
> There is no *flag waving*. I think it would help at lot, both current and 
> potential new users if there were.
>
> Just thoughts
> Josiah
>

The marketing department is falling down on their job. Every change should 
include a press release sent to all the major tech reporting websites and 
the New York Times.
 

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Re: [tw5] Re: Alternative to Google Groups suggestion

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You mean this? https://www.reddit.com/r/tiddlywiki

I don't know who created it.

On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 10:37:53 AM UTC-4, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> I think the fact that a lot of groups are moving to it is partly an 
> indication that it will stay around for a while.
>
> As far as the pricing, I thought that was just for attachments, but that 
> is a valid concern. Google Groups is free, but Google just announced they 
> are going to close Google Plus, so I don't know what will happen with 
> Google Groups. I'm actually surprised Google Groups is still around. I 
> guess there is always Yammer and Reddit.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 9:57 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddl...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 3:52:05 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>- Unlike for Yahoo, for GG it would not be able to transfer the 
>>>existing archives. That's a real downside for a route based on 
>>>transitioning. (They write... *"NOTE:* Due to a bug in Google 
>>>Groups, we are unable to transfer the archives for your group.")
>>>
>>>
>> Not that big of a deal since GG would still be there and the problem with 
>> GG is the difficulty of finding things in the archives anyway.
>>
>> What kind of sense can one make of its potential longevity, stability and 
>>> reliability? And what are existing users experiences of it?
>>
>>
>> Exactly. Never heard of this entity before this week. Reliability and 
>> branding do have some relevance.
>>
>> Then again, I'd say there's a 40% chance that GG will disappear in the 
>> next 5 years.
>>
>>  
>>
>>> *Caveat: Maybe with a bit of thought GG better might achieve near the 
>>> same?...*
>>>
>>>
>> Worth investigating.
>>
>> -- Mark
>>  
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[tw5] Re: [solved] How do I periodically update specific page elements?

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I am using it for a simple dashboard type wiki. It is very much still a 
prototype.When I develop my tiddlywiki development skills sufficiently I 
plan to move it from a macro to a startup module and built a small plugin 
so others can use it.

At the moment it only updates images with a class of "u5m" (update every 5 
minutes). It is only fetching updates to images that are actually displayed 
(well actually show up in the document DOM).

My dashboard uses [img class="u5m"[/path/to/image.jpg]] to insert the 
images. The images I'm using are generated by rrdtool. I built it this way 
so I could get some basic system reporting on a tiny (512MB RAM) VPS. I 
initially tried installing an open source tool to do the monitoring but it 
was using too much RAM. Now I run a shell script from cron once every 5 
minutes that updates the rrds maintained by rrdtool and updates the graphs. 
Nice and simple. And conveniently, I use the tiddlywiki Journal to make 
notes.

[image: Capture.PNG]



On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 8:10:10 PM UTC-4, TonyM wrote:
>
> Lost Admin,
>
> This sounds like a useful feature to develop especially for dashboard 
> style tiddlywikis that display information sourced externally. 
>
> All I would like to suggest to make this as modular and generic as 
> possible with the minimum impact on performance that can be achived.
>
> The reason I say this is in the case of a dash board solution it would be 
> very easy to quickly load it with multiple refresh requirements, and the 
> simpler and better performance the solution the more you will avoid a 
> performance bottle neck.
>
> Please share your eventual solution if possible.
> I will assist if I can.
>
> Tony
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[tw5] Re: How do I periodically update specific page elements?

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Hi Mat,

It would certainly be possible to do so but, I agree with what Jed said, if 
the macro gets called multiple times it will create multiple instances of 
the timer event. This is probably not what what you want (and certainly not 
what I want).

The relevant bit of code (from above) that creates the timer event is this 
...

setInterval(function() {
  /* Put your code here, it gets triggered every 30 milliseconds (5 
minutes) */
   }, 30); /* 30 for 5 minutes */

Jed had also suggested (in an earlier thread) that it would probably be 
better to put it into a startup module. I'll be figuring out how to create 
a startup module and moving the logic there. If I have time, I'll figure 
out how to add to the settings so that people can define the trigger period 
and class name.

On Sunday, September 16, 2018 at 4:47:15 PM UTC-4, Mat wrote:
>
> @Lost Admin
>
> This is of great interest for a thing I'm working on for TWederation, 
> hopefully soon to be published. As you may know Jed has built a special 
> server (Bob) and also a plugin (TWederBob) that enables a wiki to fetch 
> tiddlers from the remote server. I would like for this fetching (an action 
> widget) to trigger periodically.
>
> Would it be possible to use your creation for that? I.e to trigger an 
> action widget at set time intervals?
>
> <:-)
>

On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 8:37:10 AM UTC-4, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> The biggest problem I see with a macro based solution like this is that it 
> may get called multiple times (and start multiple timers that all do the 
> same thing) because it runs unconditionally when rendered and nothing 
> removes the setInterval.
>>
>>
> I think that a much better solution would be to make a startup module that 
> starts a background daemon that will run a set of action widgets at 
> configurable intervals. It shouldn't be too difficult to make, if I have 
> the time I will try and put something together.
>

I agree. That's my next step. 

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[tw5] Re: How do I periodically update specific page elements?

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After much fiddling, I have a working update macro.

/*\
title: $:/macros/ek/imageupdate.js
type: application/javascript
module-type: macro

embed images with class='u5m'
put <> at the bottom
all images with that class will be updated every 5 minutes

\*/
(function(){

/*jslint node: true, browser: true */
/*global $tw: false */
"use strict";

exports.name = "imageupdate";

exports.params = [];

/*
Run the macro
*/
exports.run = function() {

   setInterval(function() {
  var imgElements = document.getElementsByClassName('u5m');
  /* var srclist = ''; */
  for (var i = 0; i < imgElements.length; i++) {
 var img = imgElements[i];
 img.src = ( (img.src.indexOf('?') == -1) ? img.src : 
img.src.substr(0,img.src.indexOf('?')) ) + '?c=' + Math.random();
 /* srclist = srclist + " " + img.src; */
 }
 document.getElementById('iuon').innerHTML = 'Refreshed ' + Date(); /*+ 
"" + srclist; */
   }, 30); /* 30 for 5 minutes */

   /* for debugging, print the source list once */
   var imgElements = document.getElementsByClassName('u5m');
   var output = 'Img Urls:';
   for (var i = 0; i < imgElements.length; i++) {
  var img = imgElements[i];
  output = output + " " + img.src;
   }

   return 'Refreshed ' + Date() /* + output */ + '';
};

})();

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[tw5] Re: How do I periodically update specific page elements?

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I had at first thought of doing it by class name but I don't know how to 
insert a class name into:

[img[/path/to/file.png]]

is it as simple as

[img class=5min [/path/to/file.png]]

?

On Sunday, September 16, 2018 at 1:10:33 PM UTC-4, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> I think that the easiest way to do it would be to give each image a unique 
> class name, or each group that is supposed to be updated on a specific 
> interval the same class name, then use getElementsByClassName instead of by 
> tag.
>
> I think that an alternative method for doing this that may be a bit more 
> flexible for your future plans is to make a daemon process in a startup 
> module that triggers once ever n minutes and then runs a script then. The 
> startup actions in the core is an example and the trigger actions plugin I 
> made does a similar thing but the trigger is a change to a tiddler instead 
> of a timer.
>

My trigger actions plugin is here if you want it as a reference 
> https://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/TriggerActions/
> I am not sure if there is a way to use it directly. Eventually I need to 
> rewrite it using the same logic as the startup actions in the core, but it 
> works.
>
> If the data comes from server-side components that you can access than you 
> could use websockets to update it but that may take a bit more work. It 
> would give you much more control over how and when things up date though.
>

I will look into the startup action once I've got a macro working. That 
does sound like a better idea.

Websockets would be good, but that will require that I figure out how to 
make websockets work.

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[tw5] How do I periodically update specific page elements?

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*Background*

I've set-up rrdtool to generate graphs of various data elements. I'm using 
a tiddlywiki to display those graphs. The graphs are refreshed every 5 
minutes (some will be refreshed less often in the future). I would like to 
have TiddlyWiki refresh the images periodically (once every 5 minutes 
initially).

*What I think I want to do*

I think the way I should do this is to create a javascript macro that gets 
called when the tiddler is displayed and uses setInterval() to periodically 
refresh the images within the tiddler.

How do I get from "this" to the list of image elements within a tiddler?

I can't figure out how to identify the images in question. I've currently 
got the following in the javascript macro (based on the example from TW5 
Magick:

/*\
title: $:/macros/ek/5mImgRefresh.js
type: application/javascript
module-type: macro

<<5mImgRefresh>>

\*/
(function(){

/*jslint node: true, browser: true */
/*global $tw: false */
"use strict";

exports.name = "5mImgRefresh";

exports.params = [];

/*
Run the macro
*/
exports.run = function() {

   var imgElements = this.getElementsByTagName('img');
   /* loop through elements in imgElements and update once every 5 minutes */
   setInterval(function() {
  for (var i = 0; i < imgElements.length; i++) {
 var img = imgElements[i];
 img.src = img.src + '?c=' + Math.random();
   }, 30);

   /* for debugging, print the source list once */
   var output = 'Img Urls:';
   for (var i = 0; i < imgElements.length; i++) {
  var img = imgElements[i];
  output += img.src;
   }
   return output;
};

})();


*Alternative*

I'm quite happy to tie this specifically to the image being displayed (in some 
way). I will eventually want to define the refresh time and
probably limit the which images get refreshed.

I would also be happy to have a refresh that doesn't need to include a 
pointless query parameter to the image.

*Future*

I would like to modify it so that I can insert data other than images. Like 
possibly logs put inside a div or converted into tables.

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Re: [tw5] setting up tiddlywiki with save working on Apache

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On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 3:45:22 PM UTC-4, Ivan Aparicio wrote:
>
> ...
>
> I can post the PHP file working on PHP 7 if anyone is interested.
>

I am interested. I don't use the PHP saver anymore since I've got a working 
Apache WebDAV server but I ran the PHP server for quite a while and make a 
few improvements of my own. 

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Re: [tw5] Re: Images help

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I'm not sure if you tried this. In case you did not:


   1. Open your tiddlywiki in your browser.
   2. Open your file manager and navigate to the folder that contains the 
   picture you want in Tiddlywiki.
   3. Drag the picture onto the tiddlywiki in your browser. You should see 
   a green bar at the top of the browser page that says, "Drop here (or use 
   the Esc key to cancel)".
   4. Drop the picture there.
   5. This should create a new tiddler with with the words, "These tiddlers 
   are ready to import:" near the top.
   6. Press the import button.
   7. Save your tiddlywiki.
   
You should now have a tiddler with a name that is the filename you dragged.

You can then treat it like a tiddler that is an image.

Note: The image is a copy of the image file encoded in base64 (I believe) 
and is a part of the tiddlywiki file. Adding many large images can make 
loading tiddlywiki very slow.



On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 2:30:10 PM UTC-4, Edward Veal wrote:
>
> After further investigation I am still stumped as to how I get an image 
> that is local to my machine to display within a Tiddler. I have no problem 
> getting online images to display. I don't want to rely on having an 
> internet connection to be able to add a photo or other image to a Tiddler. 
> This is a deal breaker for me and if I can't figure it out I will be moving 
> on to other tools. 
>
> Ed
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 11:56 AM Edward Veal  > wrote:
>
>> Mark, 
>>
>> Thank you for the information this is finally heading me on the right 
>> path. I will review Tony's post as I am using the free standing file 
>> version. 
>>
>> Ed
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 3:59 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>>
>>> Those names are confusing, aren't they? The names of various system 
>>> tiddlers in TW *LOOK *like file paths, but they're not.
>>>
>>> There's no directory /core/images/video. If you type (or copy) the text 
>>> $:/core/images/video into a tiddler and preview it, you will see a link to. 
>>> If you follow the link, you will come to a tiddler that has a SVG image as 
>>> its contents.
>>>
>>> To get an image into TW, you need to either drag and drop the image into 
>>> your TW (not recommended except for very small images), or use the [img[]] 
>>> wikitext or the <$image> widget to refer to images that are external to the 
>>> TW. There are different ways to do it, and some of them will depend on how 
>>> your are running TW (as a free-standing file or under node.js). See Tony's 
>>> prior post for pointers what to do.
>>>
>>> -- Mark
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 12:40:03 PM UTC-7, Edward Veal wrote:

 I simply want to add an image to a tiddler.

 Here is a copy of the code from the tiddlywiki main page that I can't 
 seem to figure out. 

 https://www.youtube.com/c/JeremyRuston; 
 class="tc-btn-big-green" style="background-color:#e52d27;" target="_blank" 
 rel="noopener noreferrer">
 {{$:/core/images/video}} ~TiddlyWiki on ~YouTube
 

 I presume that I can put images in this dir and then link to them. 
 However I am not finding the :/core/images/ path in my install. 

 Ed




 On Monday, July 23, 2018 at 7:36:06 PM UTC-5, TonyM wrote:
>
> Ed,
>
> Perhaps explain a little more what you want to do.
>
> To respond to you open question, here are a few notes
>
>
>- Drag and drop images or use the import button to get them into 
>tiddlywiki
>- Research the canonical uri and more for referencing external 
>images
>- Add an icon field to any tiddler and provide an Icon tiddler 
>title for it to display with the title
>- Transclude an image tiddler in your tiddlers text 
>{{imagetiddler}}
>- Use the image widget https://tiddlywiki.com/#ImageWidget
>- Or follow these wikitext instructions 
>https://tiddlywiki.com/#Images%20in%20WikiText
>
>
> Regards
> Tony
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[tw5] Re: sending email from a tiddler

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In theory one could make a plugin for TW that takes a tiddler and wraps the 
HTML "https://www.w3schools.com/tags/tryit.asp?filename=tryhtml_link_mailto 
for an example.

I'm not skilled enough to know if/how one could do this with webmail.

On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 11:23:27 AM UTC-4, Joe Armstrong wrote:
>
> I find myself more and more composing emails in TW5.
>
> Having composed an email I then go into gmail
> start composing a new email then cut-and-paste the
> tiddler text into the email (not the rendered text - the
> raw tiddler text)
>
> It would be nice to automate this -
> is this possible?
>
> /Joe
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5 + Noteself] How to set up Noteself multiuser?

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I haven't tried to get multi-user running but I do have instructions for 
building your own CouchDB server. Like you I found IBM Cloud Foundry far 
too complicated to worry about for a hobby. Basic setup instructions for 
CouchDB are here http://thelostadmin.tiddlyspot.com/. This assumes you 
already have hosting. I'm hosting on Vultr 
 (I get a small kick back if you use 
that link to sign-up) with their cheapest US$2.50/mo VPS.

I'm working on a tutorial to add SSL to CouchDB and separate instructions 
for making more users. I'm not very quick as I generally have to go through 
the set-up 3 times before I'm ready to post it (first to work out the 
steps, second to get screen shots, and third to make sure it actually 
works). Plus, I'm doing this in my spare time.

If you can get multi-user working, please share some pointers, I would like 
to add a multi-user tutorial too.

On Thursday, June 14, 2018 at 5:21:10 PM UTC-4, mauloop wrote:
>
> I'd like to test the Noteself multiuser configuration, as from this post 
> ,
>  
> but I don't know how to use the tool. I mean, it first asks for Cloudant 
> account credentials. This question was probably a simple one at the 
> beginning, but things are a little bit more complicated today, due to the 
> mix of IBM Cloud Foundry settings and more specifics Bluemix CouchDB 
> settings.
>
> I tried with both:
>
> - IBM/Bluemix console userid/password
> - CouchDB user (the same long alphanum strings found in the db URL), but 
> what password?
>
> I tried the alphanum string both with and without the "`-bluemix`" suffix, 
> and some more esoteric mix of user/password. Can anyone please help me 
> about this? I also asked Danielo on the Github project page, but I think he 
> should be very busy. Maybe someone else here has experienced and hopefully 
> solved this issue.
>
> P.S.: just to avoid a misunderstanding. I succesfully did setup a Cloudant 
> account and sync a db using Noteself online version. Everything seems to 
> work correctly. My question is just related to the tricks needed for a 
> multiuser config.
>

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Re: [tw5] setting up tiddlywiki with save working on Apache

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Now that I can get to my server, here is a very quick and dirty explanation 
of the Apache HTTPD config file for WebDAV:

http://thelostadmin.tiddlyspot.com/#Apache%20HTTPD%20with%20WebDAV

On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 7:12:51 PM UTC-4, J wrote:
>
> Hi All!
>
> I have been trying to find a setup document for TW5 with save working on 
> Apache.  I have pieced together what I have learned from reading various 
> posts but my setup is not working properly.  Can someone point me to a doc 
> please?  
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> Regards,
> j
>

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Re: [tw5] setting up tiddlywiki with save working on Apache

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On Tuesday, June 12, 2018 at 11:36:28 AM UTC-4, J wrote:
>
> Lost Admin,
>
> Here are my answers to your questions.
>
> "You want either WebDAV or PHP for TiddlyWiki. Not both."
> Which ever of the two that support remote saves (i.e. access tiddlywiki 
> from another machine and save edits or creates).  My current setup seems to 
> download the new version of the wiki after performing a save.  It will 
> intermittently save remotely.
>

They both support remote saves.
 

> ...
>
 

> "I don't see the DAV On directive to enable WebDAV; nor do I see any 
> authentication. That would mean anyone who can see the server over the 
> network can store whatever they want on that server. Are you sure that's 
> what you want?"
> Here are the DAV directives I have.  They are also the defaults when I 
> install Apache and libphodav.
> LoadModule dav_module modules/mod_dav.so
> LoadModule dav_fs_module modules/mod_dav_fs.so
> LoadModule dav_lock_module modules/mod_dav_lock.so
>
> I purposely did not put any authentication as I intend to limit this using 
> the "Require ip" directive.  However, if the authentication is required, 
> then I shall oblige.
>

You can run WebDAV without authentication. Require IP is better than 
nothing. If you trust everyone who could possibly come from the source IP 
address(es)  you are requiring, it's probably safer than username/password 
authentication.

I don't (currently) have access to my server to check the config, but try 
this:


DocumentRoot "/data/tiddlywiki"
DavLockDB "/tmp/DavLock"

*DAV On*
Options +Indexes +FollowSymLinks
AllowOverride None



 

>
> Thank you for taking the time to share your wisdom.  :)
>
> Regards,
> j
>

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[tw5] code section (```) with highlighting?

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Hi all,

As I go through building up tutorials for setting up various servers for 
TiddlyWiki, I have come to realize that I would like to be able to 
emphasize some parts of code snippets (config files) and to de-emphasize 
other parts. I want to do this so I can show changes needed in 
configuration files with context. As a very simple example, here is a very 
basic Apache http virtual host configuration:


DocumentRoot "/www/example"
ServerName www.example.com

# Other directives here



If the step I'm focusing on relates to setting the ServerName, the rest is 
just context, so it would be nice to make the ServerName line emphasized 
(or the rest de-ephasized:


DocumentRoot "/www/example1"
*ServerName www.example.com*

# Other directives here



Is there a way to do this within a code section?

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Re: [tw5] setting up tiddlywiki with save working on Apache

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I can't even find my old instructions. (do we have a face-palm emoji?)

I'll try to post my current config with some explanation around it after I 
get home, tonight.

On Tuesday, June 12, 2018 at 10:37:35 AM UTC-4, J wrote:
>
> Lost Admin,
>
> Please share your steps or at least the URL for the WebDAV instructions.  
> I am assuming this is WebDAV and Apache.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> Regards,
> j
>
> On Tuesday, June 12, 2018 at 6:22:31 AM UTC-7, Lost Admin wrote:
>>
>> I previously had TW working with store.php on Apache and currently have 
>> it running fine on WebDAV (burried in this forum you will find my steps). 
>> I'm working on better instructions in my spare time.
>>
>> On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 7:12:51 PM UTC-4, J wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All!
>>>
>>> I have been trying to find a setup document for TW5 with save working on 
>>> Apache.  I have pieced together what I have learned from reading various 
>>> posts but my setup is not working properly.  Can someone point me to a doc 
>>> please?  
>>>
>>> Any help would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thank you in advance.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> j
>>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] setting up tiddlywiki with save working on Apache

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On Tuesday, June 12, 2018 at 10:32:28 AM UTC-4, J wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> Here is my current specs.  I have both webdav and store.php.  If this is 
> wrong, I just didnt know better as I was trying to put things together 
> without an end to end doc.  ;)
>

You want either WebDAV or PHP for TiddlyWiki. Not both.
 

>
> Fedora 28
> Apache 2.4.33
> PHP 7.2.6
> TiddlyWiki 5.1.17
> TiddlyHome 0.1.3
>

The last time I tried store.php, it didn't work with PHP 7. I had to use 
PHP 5.
 

>
> Here is my apache config for my VirtualHost.
>
> 
> DocumentRoot "/data/tiddlywiki"
> DavLockDB "/tmp/DavLock"
> 
> Options +Indexes +FollowSymLinks
> AllowOverride None
> 
> 
>

I don't see the mod_php setup for using store.php.

I don't see the DAV On directive to enable WebDAV; nor do I see any 
authentication. That would mean anyone who can see the server over the 
network can store whatever they want on that server. Are you sure that's 
what you want?
 

>
> The files in the directory contains.
>
> backup
> store.php
> tw_updated.html -> upload/index.html
> upload
>
> Here are my settings in TiddlySpot Saver.
>
> Upload Filename: index.html
> Upload Directory:  ./upload/
> Backup Directory: ./backup/
>
> Regards,
> j
>
> On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 5:04:07 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> How are you trying to save on Apache? Store.php? WebDav?
>>
>> -- Mark 
>>
>> On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 4:12:51 PM UTC-7, J wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All!
>>>
>>> I have been trying to find a setup document for TW5 with save working on 
>>> Apache.  I have pieced together what I have learned from reading various 
>>> posts but my setup is not working properly.  Can someone point me to a doc 
>>> please?  
>>>
>>> Any help would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thank you in advance.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> j
>>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] setting up tiddlywiki with save working on Apache

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I previously had TW working with store.php on Apache and currently have it 
running fine on WebDAV (burried in this forum you will find my steps). I'm 
working on better instructions in my spare time.

On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 7:12:51 PM UTC-4, J wrote:
>
> Hi All!
>
> I have been trying to find a setup document for TW5 with save working on 
> Apache.  I have pieced together what I have learned from reading various 
> posts but my setup is not working properly.  Can someone point me to a doc 
> please?  
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> Regards,
> j
>

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[tw5] Re: Server setup tutorials; anyone interested?

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I know it's been a while but I've mostly finished the Note Self CouchDB 
setup tutorial 
<http://thelostadmin.tiddlyspot.com/#How%20to%20Setup%20CouchDB%20for%20Note%20Self>.
 
It should get you to the point where you actually have a working Note Self 
& CouchDB test environment. Anyone willing to test, please do so and let me 
know where things aren't as clear as they could be.

I need to reset my Windows setup and re-built it to get a few more screen 
shots (and validate I didn't miss anything).

Once that is done, I'm going to make a second tutorial that adds HTTPS 
support and makes it reasonable to consider putting it on the Internet. You 
can get a VM for as little as US$2.50 that is sufficient for a single user, 
so I figured HTTPS would be worth explaining. I'm currently doing this with 
Vultr.com (https://www.vultr.com/?ref=7210118)[1] and using Note Self as a 
privately hosted One Note alternative. 

Once I'm done with the tutorials I will configure the CouchDB on my home 
computer to sync with the one on Vultr so that I even have off-site backup. 
I'll probably make a tutorial on this as well. It is dead easy.

[1] If you sign up with Vultr and pay for hosting, I get a token amount of 
credit for directing you there. If this is considered inappropriate for 
this forum, let me know and I'll remove the link and mention of Vultr.

On Friday, May 18, 2018 at 10:30:32 AM UTC-4, Lost Admin wrote:
>
> A while back PMario made a video on how to set-up a webdav server on IIS 
> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tiddlywiki/ISS$20Webdav%7Csort:date/tiddlywiki/_YwmiKqMyrI/H_nGBYs9CgAJ>.
>  
> I also made some observations on tiddlywiki's WebDAV saver using Apache 
> HTTP. Since then, the issue I had in my observations has been corrected 
> (awesome work by the way to Jeremy and anyone who helped). As far as I can 
> tell the WebDAV Saver works very well on IIS webdav and Apache webdav (I 
> run both).
>
>
> I imagine many people on this list are technically savvy and capable of 
> setting up their own server for TiddlyWiki. But I do wonder if there are 
> people who want to do so but would like a tutorial to follow.
>
> When I first found Tiddlywiki, I initially used the download saver. 
> Shortly after I learned about TiddlySpot and started using it (I still do). 
> That lead me to finding out how it works and learning about "store.php" and 
> the various GitHub repositories for variations of it.
>
> When the WebDAV saver became available, I switched my home server (just a 
> little always-on Intel NUC) to use WebDAV and removed store.php (and PHP). 
> Lately I've been playing with Note Self, which uses the Apache CouchDB as a 
> back end database, and set-up my own small infrastructure on vultr.com 
> (cloud vm hosting).
>
> None of what I've done is particularly exciting but it does require a 
> certain amount of knowledge. For the most part, I found tutorials on how to 
> set-up the various components, followed them, and then read documentation 
> and fiddled with settings until I was satisfied everything worked smoothly.
>
> What I didn't do, was create good documentation on how I actually did what 
> I did. Before I actually set-out on doing so, would people actually use it?
>
> or
>
> How many of you want to set-up your own dedicated server for TiddlyWiki 
> but want a tutorial to follow?
>
> I'll be creating one for a basic self-hosted Note Self 
> <https://noteself.github.io/> CouchDB back-end and posting it on the Note 
> Self forums <https://forum.noteself.org/> regardless.
>
>

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[tw5] Re: To Github Or Not? -- That is a question.

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I saw the same thing. As I haven't seen any official announcement from 
either GitHub or Microsoft (yet), I am still waiting.

Plus, the MS of today is different from the MS that changed Skype. In my 
opinion, Microsoft's cloud offerings are pretty good when compared to the 
competition (Google and Amazon).

I'm still a bit concerned but taking a wait and see attitude.

On Saturday, June 2, 2018 at 12:59:42 AM UTC-4, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Ut Oh ...
>
>
> https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/01/microsoft--github-acquisition-talks-resume.html
>
> Will we even *want* GH after MicroSoft takes over?
>
> -- Mark
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 8:57:43 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> Interesting discussion on GitHub in which ... 
>>
>> ... @Jermolene  commented ...
>>
>>> I think the apparent antipathy towards GitHub in the TiddlyWiki 
>>> community is because only a small proportion of TiddlyWiki users have any 
>>> familiarity with it. The difference between TiddlyWiki and the majority of 
>>> open source projects is that our audience is not just other software 
>>> developers: it's an end-user application and not a library. The barriers to 
>>> using TiddlyWiki are much lower than those for adopting a conventional app, 
>>> so the community is very broad, and broadly non-technical.
>>
>>
>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/3313 
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Opinion -- Better to use System Level Backup.

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I think you know I share your view, @TiddlyTweeter. I would like to add one 
more point to the argument.

One of the things I like about TiddlyWiki is that it is small and fast. It 
loads into a browser reasonably quickly and saves in a reasonable amount of 
time usually. Keeping the core of TiddlyWiki small is part of that. But 
also not having redundant network usage. If the backup is done in 
Tiddlywiki, that doubles the save time. While this may not matter on local 
savers, it can have a dramatic effect on saving over the Internet when 
outbound bandwidth is limited (like those of us on older ADSL).

My backup is done server side. I hope that any backup that happens within 
TiddlyWiki is done as an optional add-on and isn't tied to any of the 
current savers (at least the 3 that I use).

On Friday, June 1, 2018 at 10:14:14 AM UTC-4, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> In another thread TW Backup came up strongly 
>  ... 
> I have opinions about this that are perhaps not so shared. I thought I'd 
> write anyway. I'm interested in folk's views. 
>
...
> Whilst I think the "backup" plugins for TW are worth having if people want 
> to write them, I think its an illusion they will save you unless you 
> understand what backup is about and address it. I also think 
> developmentally its a bit like "squeezing blood from a stone 
> " from the latest 
> browsers. Its an over complex "fudge" that is likely not worth the 
> programming hours.
>
> My view is we should *always discuss "backups" in the context of the 
> user's actual configuration* and not over-emphasise TiddlyWiki's function 
> for backup--as it is very limited, does no error checking on copy, and is 
> often dangerously local (i.e. typically same-disk). 
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>

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[tw5] Re: Unable to save new tiddlywiki (5.1.17) in tiddlyspot

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He didn't list Chrome on Linux as one of the OS/Browser combinations he 
tried. He did try Chromium on Linux but there are a few bits in Chrome that 
aren't in Chromium (admittedly, those are pretty Google specific).

Like you, Chrome worked for me (on Windows in my case).

On Thursday, May 31, 2018 at 11:49:07 AM UTC-4, Ton Gerner wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Strange. Yesterday I updated all my guides (10) at TiddlySpot without a 
> problem.
> Used the same procedure as Carlos Pita.
>
> Linux Mint 17.3
> Chrome 67
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ton
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Unable to save new tiddlywiki (5.1.17) in tiddlyspot

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Hi Carlos,

I had the same problem. I needed to use Chrome on Windows (I didn't try 
Chrome on Linux). Something about Firefox prevented it from saving to 
tiddlyspot after the upgrade. 

On Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 4:17:34 PM UTC-4, Carlos Pita wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> well my problem is just what the subject states. Since I know this could 
> be an issue with firefox I tested the same using:
>
> * Chromium in linux
> * Chrome in android
> * Firefox in linux
> * Chrome in android with tiddlywiki 5.0.0-alpha.10
>
> Every option above failed except for the last, so I think it's a problem 
> with the new version.
>
> The procedure I followed in the first three cases is:
>
> 1. Go to the control panel
> 2. Open the saving tab
> 3. Open the TiddlySpot saver tab
> 4. Set the wiki name (memeplex2)
> 5. Set the wiki password (which I know for sure is the right one)
> 6. Click the save icon (the one with the check mark)
>
> Then a box with the text "Starting to save wiki" pops up and after a few 
> seconds disappears and that's all. When I open memeplex2.tiddlyspot.com 
> the same (5.0.0-alpha.10) version is always there.
>
> Am I missing something?
>
> Thanks in advance
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[tw5] Re: To Github Or Not? -- That is a question.

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Are you saying that I should put my exceedingly simple plugins 
 for TiddlyWiki on Github?

On Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 11:57:43 AM UTC-4, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Interesting discussion on GitHub in which ... 
>
> ... @Jermolene  commented ...
>
>> I think the apparent antipathy towards GitHub in the TiddlyWiki community 
>> is because only a small proportion of TiddlyWiki users have any familiarity 
>> with it. The difference between TiddlyWiki and the majority of open source 
>> projects is that our audience is not just other software developers: it's 
>> an end-user application and not a library. The barriers to using TiddlyWiki 
>> are much lower than those for adopting a conventional app, so the community 
>> is very broad, and broadly non-technical.
>
>
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/3313 
>

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[tw5] Re: [Webdav] Backups ?

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Hi all,

This has been an interesting thread to read. Like @FrD, I use webdav for 
most of my TiddlyWikis. What makes this conversation interesting is how you 
are trying to solve the problem. In my opinion, the TiddlyWiki code 
shouldn't include backup capabilities. The backup should be handled on the 
server side (or desktop side in the case of local savers). Some WebDAV 
server implementations include versioning (i.e. 
http://sabre.io/dav/versioning/). Most operating systems support a wide 
variety of backup solutions. Even the PHP saver has built-in 
versioning/backup (it saves the last 10 versions by default in a backup 
folder).

Dropbox also has built-in versioning, so the service is doing backups for 
your. (https://www.dropbox.com/help/security/version-history-overview)

So does Google Drive 
(https://support.google.com/drive/answer/2409045?co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop=en)

CouchDB (used by Note Self) also has built in versioning (sorry no clean 
link lots of how it works links 
like http://guide.couchdb.org/draft/documents.html)


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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SetUp - a guide to set up a great TW system

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@Mat

Based on how I'm seeing the other options filled in, Webdav should be 
"Any-standard-OS". Apparently Apache HTTPD is even available on Android 
(https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.esminis.server.apache=en_US)!

I'll let you know when I get the instructions for FreeBSD/Windows/Linux 
done. :-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SetUp - a guide to set up a great TW system

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On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 9:13:59 PM UTC-4, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Hi Mat,
>
> NoteSelf fits into two categories. One as a (remote) Service and one as a 
> (local browser) Saver. The complication of it as a local browser saver is 
> that *it needs to connect to the github starting page at least once*.  So 
> it's not 100% offline. That is, if someone needed to set it up inside a 
> sealed room cut off from the rest of the world they would currently be out 
> of luck. 
>
 
The underlined part of your statement is not entirely accurate. At least 
not any more so than it would be to say that one needs to *connect to 
tiddlywiki.com/empty.html at least once to use TiddlyWiki*.

Although you can use the github as your starting point, you can also 
download the NoteSelf variation of empty.html and use that from any static 
web server. As an example, switch to private browsing or incognito mode and 
go to https://notes.suntrap.ca/noteself.html. Or, use the download button 
at the bottom of https://noteself.github.io/ and save your own copy of an 
empty noteself.html and use it locally.

P.S. sorry for getting so technical Mat. But the conversation has gotten 
way deep.

Oh, and those instructions are coming. I've got a day job so they aren't 
coming fast.

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SetUp - a guide to set up a great TW system

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On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 3:25:43 PM UTC-4, Mat wrote:
>
> Lost Admin - thank you for your information! Some questions:
>
> *WebDAV*
>>
>> *...* 
>>
> *OS* : Any (Apache) or windows (IIS)
>>
>
> What does this mean - what's the difference? 
> I'm limiting the SetUp matrix to include set-ups custom made for TW - OR - 
> instructions(!) on how to adapt some other "system" to TW. When it comes to 
> WebDAV, I see @PMario has kindly made instructions for IIS 
> <https://tiddlywiki.com/#Saving%20via%20WebDAV>. From that tiddler I 
> don't understand if there are other options for someone who is not very 
> tech savvy. is there?
>

The Apache HTTPD server can be installed on pretty much any OS (it is 
available on most UNIX and UNIX like OSes, including Linux) but also 
available for OSX (Apple) and Windows. I'm working on instructions for 
setting it up on FreeBSD (UNIX-like), Debian Linux, and Windows. I already 
made basic setup instructions on this forum (now buried and probably lost).

@PMario made his instructions, which I followed to set-up IIS. So really 
you can run a webdav server on pretty much any OS with the Apache HTTPD 
server and on windows specifically you can also run webdav with IIS.

To make this even more complicated, there is an entire webdav server 
written in PHP (called sabre/dav). I haven't tested this but it is pretty 
popular. PHP runs on pretty much any OS, so it should work pretty much any 
OS. PHP is an interpreted language (like Python or Perl) and needs server 
software that supports it. Since Apache (and Nginx, and IIS) support PHP, 
you can pretty much run Sabre/dav on anything.

If you are only going with "that we have instructions for", you still have 
a bit of a dilema as there is absolutely nothing special about the setup of 
WebDAV for Tiddlywiki (you just need a properly set-up WebDAV server). So 
instructions (not unique to TiddlyWiki) are out there. But if you want 
specific to TiddlyWiki anyway, then IIS for now (and Apache if you can find 
my old instructions or wait until I finish the new ones with better 
screenshots).

Web servers are complicated. There will probably never be instructions for 
the "not very tech savvy". But there will (hopefully) be step-by-step 
instructions for the brave and soon-to-be-tech-savvy.
 

>  
>
>> *Portable* : No (or maybe with Apache portableapps)
>>
>
> To qualify as portable it should exist as a self-contained solution by 
> itself.
>  
> (Should I change the category "portable" to instead be "self-contained"?)
>

Honestly, I think this is always going to be debatable. The intent you have 
is subtle and simple terms are going to have broader meaning to different 
people. 
 

>
>
> *PHP (store.php)*
>>
>
> I've renamed the set-up to now be as you phrase it here, yes? 
>
> *Dependencies* : Web server & PHP (confirmed on Apache 2.4 with php 5.6)
>>
>
> I have classed "PHP", or "PHP (store.php), as a server... but "a server" 
> is rather the requirement for this (right?).
>
Yes, that works. 

>  
>
> *NoteSelf*
>>
>> *format* : json
>>
>
> Hm, that woudl be the "code-format", for tiddlers right, not NoteSelf per 
> se? By "format" I tried to find a label for: 
>
> How is the set-up solution manifested?
>> What format is this piece of software in? This
>> might affect how complicated it is to install/set it up.
>> *Option values, predefined*
>> - html-file
>> - .tid-files
>> - TW-plugin
>> - Browsr_add-on
>> - Browser-in-itself
>> - App
>
>
> I would guess NoteSelf is an "App" in this sense, i.e a separate software.
> Would you say my lable "format" is poorly chosen? Any better suggestion? 
> Looking at my list above, I'm wondering if ".tid-files" really is 
> relevant? 
>
> ...and maybe I *should *include json, i.e use file-format of tiddlers as 
> a criteria? This may be important if one wants some kind of API 
> integration, right?
>

I'm not 100% sure how you want to express this. NoteSelf is a touch more 
complicated than TiddlyWiki in in it's most basic form and yet is also (at 
it's core) only a couple of plug-ins to TiddlyWiki. So ... format, the log 
explanation:

NoteSelf the very first time you load it, is an HTML file. It is TiddlyWiki 
with some plugins.

One of those plugins takes each Tiddler and converts it to JSON (an 
in-memory data structure) and stores it in browser storage. The format of 
the browser storage varries depending on the browser used but is basically 
still JSON. This is PouchDB

So, in the above sense you now have a multi-file stand-alone tiddlywiki. 
One file is HTML, the other is in whatever f

[tw5] Re: Presenting: SetUp - a guide to set up a great TW system

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On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 2:17:05 PM UTC-4, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> I agree. I think its "N/A" on "Portability". 
>
> However, with deference to Mat, still the point remains that NoteSelf is 
> an interesting option for users who want a solution that works over many 
> different types of devices from one source (a synched cloud based database).
>
> On Monday, 28 May 2018 20:05:14 UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 11:01:47 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>> *Portable* : no (I'm open to being corrected but I didn't find a 
>>> portableapps option)
>>>
>>> Portable: YES, in the sense that you can run it from any browser on any 
>>> device. Its not dependent on location (paths). NO, in the sense its not a 
>>> Portable app per se. I think the right answer is likely: "N/A".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> It's not portable in the sense that Mat's defined it here nor in the 
>> sense that someone's created an actual "setup" to do that. If you start 
>> moving into hypotheticals, rather than actuals,  the list would be endless.
>>
>> -- Mark
>>
>
The strength I find in NoteSelf is that on large TiddlyWiki files it loads 
and saves a lot faster (as only changes and tiddlers actually being 
displayed are synced to the server).

The biggest weakness I see is the set-up. It probably took me about 16 
hours of effort (over about 3 weeks) to do my first functional setup of 
CouchDB. But, I was doing that by digging through the CouchDB documentation 
and various tutorials on how to setup CouchDB (there wasn't anything 
specific for NoteSelf at the time (I'm fixing that). My most recent set-up 
took under an hour.
 

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SetUp - a guide to set up a great TW system

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On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 2:27:44 PM UTC-4, Lost Admin wrote:
>
>
>
> On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 2:17:05 PM UTC-4, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> I agree. I think its "N/A" on "Portability". 
>>
>> However, with deference to Mat, still the point remains that NoteSelf is 
>> an interesting option for users who want a solution that works over many 
>> different types of devices from one source (a synched cloud based database).
>>
>> On Monday, 28 May 2018 20:05:14 UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 11:01:47 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>>
>>>> *Portable* : no (I'm open to being corrected but I didn't find a 
>>>> portableapps option)
>>>>
>>>> Portable: YES, in the sense that you can run it from any browser on any 
>>>> device. Its not dependent on location (paths). NO, in the sense its not a 
>>>> Portable app per se. I think the right answer is likely: "N/A".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> It's not portable in the sense that Mat's defined it here nor in the 
>>> sense that someone's created an actual "setup" to do that. If you start 
>>> moving into hypotheticals, rather than actuals,  the list would be endless.
>>>
>>> -- Mark
>>>
>>
> The strength I find in NoteSelf is that on large TiddlyWiki files it loads 
> and saves a lot faster (as only changes and tiddlers actually being 
> displayed are synced to the server).
>
> The biggest weakness I see is the set-up. It probably took me about 16 
> hours of effort (over about 3 weeks) to do my first functional setup of 
> CouchDB. But, I was doing that by digging through the CouchDB documentation 
> and various tutorials on how to setup CouchDB (there wasn't anything 
> specific for NoteSelf at the time; I'm fixing that). My most recent set-up 
> took under an hour.
>  
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SetUp - a guide to set up a great TW system

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On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 2:28:37 PM UTC-4, Lost Admin wrote:
>
>
>
> On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 2:27:44 PM UTC-4, Lost Admin wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 2:17:05 PM UTC-4, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree. I think its "N/A" on "Portability". 
>>>
>>> However, with deference to Mat, still the point remains that NoteSelf is 
>>> an interesting option for users who want a solution that works over many 
>>> different types of devices from one source (a synched cloud based database).
>>>
>>> On Monday, 28 May 2018 20:05:14 UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 11:01:47 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> *Portable* : no (I'm open to being corrected but I didn't find a 
>>>>> portableapps option)
>>>>>
>>>>> Portable: YES, in the sense that you can run it from any browser on 
>>>>> any device. Its not dependent on location (paths). NO, in the sense its 
>>>>> not 
>>>>> a Portable app per se. I think the right answer is likely: "N/A".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> It's not portable in the sense that Mat's defined it here nor in the 
>>>> sense that someone's created an actual "setup" to do that. If you start 
>>>> moving into hypotheticals, rather than actuals,  the list would be endless.
>>>>
>>>> -- Mark
>>>>
>>>
The strength I find in NoteSelf is that on large TiddlyWiki files it loads 
and saves a lot faster (as only changes and tiddlers actually being 
displayed are synced to the server).

The biggest weakness I see is the set-up. It probably took me about 16 
hours of effort (over about 3 weeks) to do my first functional setup of 
CouchDB. But, I was doing that by digging through the CouchDB documentation 
and various tutorials on how to setup CouchDB (there wasn't anything 
specific for NoteSelf at the time; I'm fixing that). My most recent set-up 
took under an hour.

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SetUp - a guide to set up a great TW system

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I'm with Jed on the portability part. Perhaps "works offline" instead? Even 
that is somewhat dependent on the details (I run a webdav server on my 
laptop, so it works fine when I'm offline).

There are also issue with "dependencies" as the list I provided is a very 
small sub-set of WebDAV server options that I believe should work fine for 
TiddlyWiki. At the same time, taking away the dependencies column is 
probably a bad idea because for many that would be a deciding factor.

Mat has really taken on a hard project.

On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 2:33:39 PM UTC-4, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> I think that trying to define these as exclusive categories is a problem 
> because almost none of the options fit into just one. Almost all of the 
> servers can save wikis but because of the scary name people may avoid 
> something because it says it is a server instead of a saver when it is both.
>
> One problem with the portability part is that the list is referring to if 
> the installation is portable, not if the usable part is portable. I am not 
> tied to any specific device to use TiddlySpot but it isn't portable in the 
> sense used by the table.
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SetUp - a guide to set up a great TW system

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Filling in a few more blanks (may have already been done and not on setup 
yet):

WebDAV

*dependencies* : Apache or IIS (tested); possibly also supported on Nginx
*format* : html
*OS* : Any (Apache) or windows (IIS)
*Portable* : No (or maybe with Apache portableapps)

PHP (store.php)

*Dependencies* : Web server & PHP (confirmed on Apache 2.4 with php 5.6)
*Format* : html
*Portable* : No (or maybe with Apache portableapps)

NoteSelf

*Encryption* : no
*file-or-folder* : neither
*format* : json
*Portable* : no (I'm open to being corrected but I didn't find a 
portableapps option)


On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 1:35:02 PM UTC-4, Mat wrote:
>
> So, you want your TW to...
>
>- function well on your *phone*? 
>- *auto-sync* with your many devices?
>- work as a *shared* family wiki with to-do lists, reference matter 
>and all?
>- ...or even as a corporate system, with *simultaneous editing*?
>- ...and automatic *backups*?
>- be totally off-the-grid on a *RasPi* server?
>- or you want tools to *manage *all those TWs of yours? 
>
> Well, maybe it's possible
>
> The ol' TWaddler proudly presents...
>
> SetUp 
>
> - a guide to help you navigate to the TW system you want
>
> This was previously named "BackEnd" but SetUp is more appropriate given 
> that it concerns TW-specific: Savers, Servers, Services and Managers
>
> As you can see on that site, if you experiment a little and tick some 
> check-boxes, a lot of info is missing. You may disagree or want to add or 
> to remove either of...
>
>- SetUps
>- criteria (i.e the "features" listed that a user may look at to 
>decide what suits him)
>- options for the criteria
>- or even the categorization into "savers, servers, services and 
>managers"
>
>
> Well, I need help with this information. I barely know what a server is... 
> but I do know how to copy-paste text so if you guys provide the info, I do 
> the foot work.
>
> The point is to help anyone... no, I mean *everyone*!.. to get the most 
> out of TW. It really concerns all of us, so please do a good deed and help 
> out. The TiddlyGods will reward you.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Server setup tutorials; anyone interested?

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As there does seam to be interest, I've started. Note I haven't even 
finished the first tutorial as I'm writing this. But, you can have a look 
anyway. I'm putting them on Tiddlyspot. It seams like a good place.

http://thelostadmin.tiddlyspot.com/#Tutorials lists what I've got planned.

The first tutorial is a minimal setup of CouchDB so that people can test 
running their own server for Note Self. You can see the progress on that 
one at 
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[tw5] Re: Server setup tutorials; anyone interested?

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I only use Cpanel when I am forced to by a service provider. Given the 
choice, I'm old school and edit config files by hand. If you know how to 
turn that into something that can be managed through Cpanel, I wouldn't 
mind you explaining it to me after I write up the tutorials.

On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 9:10:11 PM UTC-4, TonyM wrote:
>
> Lost Admin,
>
> I am keen to learn how to set up my own CouchDB (I am on the NoteSelf 
> Forums) and I try every saver and hosting option to try and establish its 
> use cases.
>
> My biggest gap is when It comes to a Cpanel host, I am a re-seller of 
> hosting and would like to host  savable TiddlyWikis there so I can make 
> them read writable for user and client interactions but have never got it 
> working. Do you have any idea on this.
>
> I will also test your published documents and help in any other way I can.
>
> Thanks for such helpful contributions
>
> Tony
>
> On Saturday, May 19, 2018 at 12:30:32 AM UTC+10, Lost Admin wrote:
>>
>> A while back PMario made a video on how to set-up a webdav server on IIS 
>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tiddlywiki/ISS$20Webdav%7Csort:date/tiddlywiki/_YwmiKqMyrI/H_nGBYs9CgAJ>.
>>  
>> I also made some observations on tiddlywiki's WebDAV saver using Apache 
>> HTTP. Since then, the issue I had in my observations has been corrected 
>> (awesome work by the way to Jeremy and anyone who helped). As far as I can 
>> tell the WebDAV Saver works very well on IIS webdav and Apache webdav (I 
>> run both).
>>
>>
>> I imagine many people on this list are technically savvy and capable of 
>> setting up their own server for TiddlyWiki. But I do wonder if there are 
>> people who want to do so but would like a tutorial to follow.
>>
>> When I first found Tiddlywiki, I initially used the download saver. 
>> Shortly after I learned about TiddlySpot and started using it (I still do). 
>> That lead me to finding out how it works and learning about "store.php" and 
>> the various GitHub repositories for variations of it.
>>
>> When the WebDAV saver became available, I switched my home server (just a 
>> little always-on Intel NUC) to use WebDAV and removed store.php (and PHP). 
>> Lately I've been playing with Note Self, which uses the Apache CouchDB as a 
>> back end database, and set-up my own small infrastructure on vultr.com 
>> (cloud vm hosting).
>>
>> None of what I've done is particularly exciting but it does require a 
>> certain amount of knowledge. For the most part, I found tutorials on how to 
>> set-up the various components, followed them, and then read documentation 
>> and fiddled with settings until I was satisfied everything worked smoothly.
>>
>> What I didn't do, was create good documentation on how I actually did 
>> what I did. Before I actually set-out on doing so, would people actually 
>> use it?
>>
>> or
>>
>> How many of you want to set-up your own dedicated server for TiddlyWiki 
>> but want a tutorial to follow?
>>
>> I'll be creating one for a basic self-hosted Note Self 
>> <https://noteself.github.io/> CouchDB back-end and posting it on the Note 
>> Self forums <https://forum.noteself.org/> regardless.
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Server setup tutorials; anyone interested?

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My WebDAV setup is TLS only and currently uses Apache Basic Auth (so you 
need a username and password). I thought about setting up Client 
Certificate auth but haven't done so yet.

It's been running for many months so far with no weird files showing up 
unexpectedly (so either it's secure or the hackers are better at hiding 
files than I am at finding them).

On Friday, May 18, 2018 at 12:33:11 PM UTC-4, Mark S. wrote:
>
> It's been a long time since I've had to do web-work without some interface 
> like cpanel. It would be interesting to see how you set up webdav on vultr. 
> Is it considered secure? (at least secure from hackers, that are always 
> looking for a place to put their spam-links) ?
>
 

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[tw5] Re: Saving via WebDAV the easy way

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That is amazingly easy. How do you add user authentication and 
authorization for saving?

On Sunday, March 4, 2018 at 12:39:24 PM UTC-5, Tristan Kohl wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
> as I tried various ways for storing a big amount of wikis on my limited 
> hardware I came across the WebDAV capabilities and gave them a try as well.
> Mario's videos were great but since I do not own any Microsoft license 
> whatsoever this was no option. However I tried it with my favourite open 
> source webserver Caddy  which I tell you is an 
> awesome peace of software by itself. But combining it with TW makes using 
> TWs over network a child's play since Caddy has WebDAV build in already.
>
> Here are the steps to follow:
>
>1. Go to Caddy download page 
>2. Select the webdav plugin (documentation 
>) and personal license and 
>hit download
>3. Unzip the archive we only need the executable which we put in the 
>same directory as the wikis we want to serve
>4. Create a text file called "Caddyfile" *with capital "C"* and write 
>these two lines in it*:*
>
> :8000
>
> webdav
>
>
> That's it, just execute the caddy file via a terminal and you are set. No 
> configuration or anything else.
>
> A wiki called mywiki.html is available 
> via http://[IP_OF_THE_SERVER]:8000/mywiki.html.
>
>
> I hope this helps some of you, I will play around with it for a while now 
> and see how it compares to the other solutions I am testing.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tristan
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Server setup tutorials; anyone interested?

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On Friday, May 18, 2018 at 10:57:50 AM UTC-4, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> ...
> You should maybe ask us to agree to actually do it to check the 
> instructions work and that we are not just giving you work :-)
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>

I'll take that as you agreeing to test it out once I publish it. :-) 

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[tw5] Re: How do I upgrade my tiddlyspot?

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It appears Firefox doesn't work but Chrome does (I have Chrome at work).

On Monday, May 14, 2018 at 5:13:35 PM UTC-4, Lost Admin wrote:
>
> It's not working for me. I don't have Chromium. It says "saving" and just 
> hangs forever. The "saved" message doesn't show up and even after 15 
> minutes the tiddlyspot instance hasn't been updated.
>
> On Monday, May 14, 2018 at 3:32:52 PM UTC-4, Birthe C wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> Earlier on 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/bSwzQSrExMg/4kx8F1G9BAAJ you 
>> described how you tried to do your tiddlyspot update. You did it exactly 
>> the same way I use. It works for me (using Chromium).
>>
>> Birthe
>>
>> mandag den 14. maj 2018 kl. 20.56.47 UTC+2 skrev Lost Admin:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I have, in the past, been able to update my TiddlySpot wiki but I failed 
>>> the last couple of times. Are there specific instructions for how to update 
>>> a tiddlyspot instance to the latest version of TiddlyWiki? If so, where 
>>> would I find those instructions?
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: How do I upgrade my tiddlyspot?

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It's not working for me. I don't have Chromium.

On Monday, May 14, 2018 at 3:32:52 PM UTC-4, Birthe C wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Earlier on 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/bSwzQSrExMg/4kx8F1G9BAAJ you 
> described how you tried to do your tiddlyspot update. You did it exactly 
> the same way I use. It works for me (using Chromium).
>
> Birthe
>
> mandag den 14. maj 2018 kl. 20.56.47 UTC+2 skrev Lost Admin:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have, in the past, been able to update my TiddlySpot wiki but I failed 
>> the last couple of times. Are there specific instructions for how to update 
>> a tiddlyspot instance to the latest version of TiddlyWiki? If so, where 
>> would I find those instructions?
>>
>

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[tw5] How do I upgrade my tiddlyspot?

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Hi all,

I have, in the past, been able to update my TiddlySpot wiki but I failed 
the last couple of times. Are there specific instructions for how to update 
a tiddlyspot instance to the latest version of TiddlyWiki? If so, where 
would I find those instructions?

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[tw5] Re: Announcing the release of TiddlyWiki v5.1.17

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Has anyone upgraded to 5.1.17 on TiddlySpot?

My personally hosted TiddlyWikis are on WebDAV and they worked like a charm 
but http://thelostadmin.tiddlyspot.com/ is not saving back to Tiddlyspot. 
It could just be very slow as we are all trying to send updates there.

I couldn't find clear instructions on how to upgrade to TiddlySpot. So, I 
do it this way:

1) load my TiddlySpot (http://thelostadmin.tiddlyspot.com) into my browser, 
save to local disk (i.e. my downloads folder)
2) open http://www.tiddlywiki.com/upgrade.html and drag/drop the file from 
the downloads folder.
3) press the save button on the freshly upgraded tiddlywiki
4) load the file I just saved from the downloads folder, and make sure it 
is the new version
5) enter the tiddlyspot credentials into the save config and press the 
checkmark-in-a-circle to save.

It's been about 15 minutes and no saved notification or any error messages 
in TiddlyWiki.

What did I do wrong?

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[tw5] Re: Announcing the release of TiddlyWiki v5.1.17

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Thank you all. That is great. I'm particularly happy with the fix to 
WebDAV. I can confirm it works properly on Apache 2.4. I'm very happy.

On Saturday, May 12, 2018 at 7:39:05 AM UTC-4, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> I’m delighted to announce the release of TiddlyWiki v5.1.17:
>
> https://tiddlywiki.com/
>
> There are several important bug fixes and some minor improvements:
>
>- Fixed incorrect location of the plugin library
>- Fixed problems with the “new journal” button overwriting data under 
>some circumstances
>- Fixed some problems with Etag handling with the WebDAV saver
>- Fixed animation timing problem with the reveal widget
>- Improved usability of the “red screen of embarrassment”
>- Added support for integral metadata in CSS files
>
> You can upgrade your existing single file wikis at: 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/upgrade.html
>
> As usual, please exercise caution when working with an upgrade, and take 
> care to take plenty of backups.
>
> Finally, I’d like the thank everyone who contributed to this release:
>
> • @BramChen
> • @BurningTreeC
> • @danielo515
> • @icarito
> • @ldorigo
> • @mklauber
> • @sukima
> • @tobibeer
> • @twMat
>
> Feel free to leave any comments or questions here.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Updates to the MultiUser plugin and the Single Executable version

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If you must change the name and those are the only choices, I vote for 
'strawberry tart'.

Hmm, now I need to go get a snack.

On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 11:09:27 AM UTC-4, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> Be careful if you are going to open up the naming discussion again. It may 
> end up as something like 'strawberry tart' or 'on dit choclatine' or 
> perhaps 'sockpuppet theater'
>

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki MeetUp in US -- June 2018?

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I live in Toronto, Canada I could drive to Syracuse, Albany or Utica. 
Syracuse is the shorted drive for me. I'll have to see if my passport is 
still valid, though.

Nothing to show off (unless you want help setting up a WebDAV server for 
TiddlyWiki or your own CouchDB server for Note Self), but a couple of days 
away and seeing what people are actually working on would be fun.

On Thursday, May 10, 2018 at 1:07:34 PM UTC-4, Steven Schneider wrote:
>
> In light of Jeremy not being able to host the TiddlyWki meetup in Oxford 
> this summer, I'm willing to host / find venue / etc. in the US, and 
> possibly use SUNY resources as host. I would be happy to attend a 
> conference / meetUp (either virtual or FTF) where folks can share their 
> TiddlyWiki work, and talk about different ideas, and it fits well with my 
> goals for DesignWrite Studio.
>
>
> Three offers of venues
>
> <1> Utica, NY or Albany, NY (easy for me to set up venue). Both are 
> several hours drive / train from New York, or fly to either Albany or 
> Syracuse.
>
> <2> New York City -- I'll have to hunt for a venue, but think I've got one 
> to use, will need a bit of time.
>
> <3> Virtual Conference / presentations, which I could host / set up / etc. 
> I can use SUNY resources for hosting, serving video, etc.
>
> If there are 5+ positive responses here in the next few days to any of 
> these ideas, I'll move it forward. , and set up a s
>
> I'm thinking late June.
>
> //steve.
>
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyPie in the sky?

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Like Jed, I have no idea what the overall name would be. I'm not sure 
Server is the right term. Some of the ways we interact with TiddlyWiki 
aren't really servers, some are completely serverless (as I understand 
"server") and others are more infrastructure.

You should probably include:

   - store.php - a traditional web server application
   - Tiddlywiki Desktop - application
   - WebDav on ISS, Apache, or NginX (all of which work with a caveat) - a 
   traditional server.
   - Ye Olde Browser Save - it still works even if you have to put the file 
   in your Downloads folder.

The back end to Note Self (if you try to implement it yourself) is more of 
a Web Service than a traditional server.


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[tw5] Re: Recurring selective sync between a private and a public wiki

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Short answer, not that I'm aware of but there are a number of ways to use 
TiddlyWiki and host it. I've only tried 3 of them.

You might be able to use Note Self (https://noteself.github.io/) and set-up 
your own Couchdb server. You would need to do some customization on Couchdb 
to create the public view. Note Self is a variation of TiddlyWiki that 
stores the data in a noSQL database (CouchDB) and synchronizes it with a 
local in-browser database (PouchDB). You can work offline (after you sync) 
and then sync back to CouchDB when you are back online.

I don't know how you set-up a public view that only shows a subset of the 
tiddlers but since CouchDB uses Javascript for server-side actions and JSON 
as the internal storage format, it should be possible. You would need to be 
a good programmer, I imagine. My own skills are way to rusty to pull this 
sort of thing off.

On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 3:36:55 PM UTC-4, Martin Hähnel wrote:
>
> Ah. And here are further problems: I'd like to use the private version 
> offline. The best case scenario would be that I would have a hosted private 
> wiki which is mirrored offline and a hosted public version. That's what I 
> like about ikiwiki decentralized setups in many different configurations 
> are possible: https://ikiwiki.info/tips/distributed_wikis/
>
> Is there a way to keep a hosted and a local version of a wiki in sync?
>
> Am Mittwoch, 9. Mai 2018 20:11:13 UTC+2 schrieb Lost Admin:
>>
>> I *think* it might be possible if you host the private wiki instance on a 
>> node.js version of tiddlywiki and wrote a few custom node scripts (and 
>> deployment scripts) to generate the public version and then push it out to 
>> the public server.
>>
>> I do something similar without all the scripting but the public wiki is 
>> it's own instance of TiddlyWiki in a sub directory of the private one. More 
>> specifically, my publicly accessible server (a hosted VM) runs a web server 
>> with 2 Apache Virtual servers. 
>>
>> The Apache virtual server for the private access runs on HTTPS and 
>> requires authentication. It runs the Apache WebDAV module. There is a 
>> sub-folder on it that could be called "public".
>>
>> The second Apache virtual server is the public access server. It's 
>> document root is the public folder of the private instance. I use separate 
>> sub-domains, one for each virtual server.
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 1:57:31 PM UTC-4, Martin Hähnel wrote:
>>>
>>> I'd like to have a private wiki for all of my tiddlers and a public 
>>> (hosted) instance of that wiki that only includes certain tiddlers (maybe 
>>> only those that are tagged "public") or something like that. The public 
>>> wiki should always only include those tiddlers that are supposed to be 
>>> public. So if I remove the "public" tag, they should be removed from the 
>>> public instance. Is this somehow possible?
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Recurring selective sync between a private and a public wiki

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I *think* it might be possible if you host the private wiki instance on a 
node.js version of tiddlywiki and wrote a few custom node scripts (and 
deployment scripts) to generate the public version and then push it out to 
the public server.

I do something similar without all the scripting but the public wiki is 
it's own instance of TiddlyWiki in a sub directory of the private one. More 
specifically, my publicly accessible server (a hosted VM) runs a web server 
with 2 Apache Virtual servers. 

The Apache virtual server for the private access runs on HTTPS and requires 
authentication. It runs the Apache WebDAV module. There is a sub-folder on 
it that could be called "public".

The second Apache virtual server is the public access server. It's document 
root is the public folder of the private instance. I use separate 
sub-domains, one for each virtual server.

On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 1:57:31 PM UTC-4, Martin Hähnel wrote:
>
> I'd like to have a private wiki for all of my tiddlers and a public 
> (hosted) instance of that wiki that only includes certain tiddlers (maybe 
> only those that are tagged "public") or something like that. The public 
> wiki should always only include those tiddlers that are supposed to be 
> public. So if I remove the "public" tag, they should be removed from the 
> public instance. Is this somehow possible?
>

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[tw5] Re: Your invitation to the TiddlyWiki European Meetup 2018

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I wonder if there are enough of us interested in a TiddyWiki America Meet 
up?

On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 6:23:28 AM UTC-5, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> I’m delighted to invite you to the 3rd TiddlyWiki European Meetup on 
> Saturday 9th and Sunday 10th June 2018, here in Oxford, UK. It’s for anyone 
> interested in TiddlyWiki, whether Classic, 5 or “X”.
>
> We had similar events last year and the year below (see photos below). It 
> has been a terrific opportunity to meet face-to-face and get to know one 
> another.
>
> The first year we focussed on working together on twederation but broke 
> out into many interesting discussions and demonstrations. Last year we held 
> a series of presentations/demos that we filmed for posterity:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVT_2PPd-1p1efUy7xnHCGpEWK9gI_wSd
>
> Hopefully we can learn from our previous experience and make the event 
> this year even better.
>
> Still to do:
>
> * Finalising the venue; I’m hoping to use the same place as previous years
> * Although the event is free of charge, I’ll set up eventbrite (or 
> equivalent) so that people can register and I can have an idea of numbers
> * Planning the schedule; we'll kick off with dinner on the evening of 
> Friday 8th.
>
> Please reply here if you’re interested in attending, or with any questions 
> or suggestions.
>
> If you can’t make it to Oxford for this years meeting, you might like to 
> consider setting up your own local event instead. If it is over the same 
> weekend we can network them together, too.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Adsense on tiddlywiki...

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On Sunday, April 29, 2018 at 9:56:04 AM UTC-4, Mat wrote:
>
> On Saturday, April 28, 2018 at 7:46:46 PM UTC+2, Ste Wilson wrote:
>>
>> Just an idle thought but is it possible to put Google ads in a tiddlywiki 
>> in a livable way to perhaps make a little money from a tiddlywiki?
>
>
> Nobody likes ads but if the option is "no site" or "pay for the service" 
> then most of us do appreciate what ads make possible. So, I think it would 
> be *very *good with an adsense plugin.
>
> <:-) 
>

I don't usually like ads but for some reason Google has decided I need to 
see more ads for low priced VMs. I found out Digital Ocean recently changed 
pricing as a result. Made me happy.
 

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[tw5] Re: NoteSelf uses local browser storage seamlessly with a remote synching server

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I agree, it is pretty amazing. I had some initial issues getting it to work 
but I think that was because I tried right around the time IBM bought out 
Cloudant and the "set-up" process changed. Instead I started messing around 
with other things. I always meant to get back to it. Yesterday, I did just 
that...

I've set-up my own Apache CouchDB back-end and Apache Web server on a 
US$2.50 per month VM with Vultr (not to say other cloud hosting wouldn't 
work just as well). It works very nicely with a downloaded copy of Note 
Self served from a simple static web server. I set-up SSL with Let's 
Encrypt, so it is even somewhat secure.

In my case, I use TiddlyWiki as a sort of simple content creation tool. 
Note Self is more of an online notebook for my own use.

On Wednesday, April 4, 2018 at 12:17:04 PM UTC-4, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Danielo's NoteSelf is a pretty amazing innovation that combines in one 
> TiddlyWiki saving to a local in-browser database (i.e. no old style saving 
> problems, it works out of the box via PouchDB) WITH ability to save your 
> TiddlyWiki to a remote CouchDB based server that will auto-sync your work. 
>
> Here is an informative, independent, blog post about it ...
>
> https://thejeshgn.com/2018/02/08/noteself-tiddywiki-couchdb-backend/
>
> @TiddlyTweeter 
>

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[tw5] Re: Please explain to me why TiddlyWiki is a "Wiki"?

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For me TiddlyWiki is a wiki. To me, the defining characteristic is that a 
wiki is a self-editing website. That is the content can be edited directly 
on/from/in the website itself. While collaboration is certainly very 
common, I don't view this as "core" to my internal definition of "wiki" 
(although I believe it is considered to be core in most definitions).

I have no opinion on the name changing or staying the same.

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[tw] Re: TW WebDAV Failing Status 412 - but not curl

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I ran into this problem last year. You aren't doing anything wrong. The 
reason for this happening is simple. Apache (and IIS) do not sent an 
updated etag value with the response to the PUT request (webdav save 
method) because you can add post-processing to the PUT request that would 
change the file (common with things like GIT where change headers are 
added). This means that the Apache (and IIS) can't be positive that the 
file that would be sent for a subsequent GET request would be identical to 
what was sent with the PUT request. So, it is inappropriate for the web 
server to include the etag header in the response to the PUT request.

The client application (tiddlywiki running in your browser) should 
follow-up the PUT request with a GET request to get an update to the 
tiddlywiki file after the PUT finishes to ensure that all affected changes 
are reflected in what you have in your browser. This would also provide an 
updated etag value and solve the 412 issue.

I have tested the above with Firefox, Chrome, IE, and Safari on Windows, 
Linux, and OSX (where the software was available to me) with the Apache web 
server (version 2.4) running on Linux, FreeBSD, Windows 7, and Windows 10 
as well as IIS running on both Windows 7 and Windows 10. They all behave 
the same way.

There was discussion of this many months ago on 
groups. 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tiddlywiki/webdav$20etag$20thelostadmin%7Csort:date/tiddlywiki/8HB0R_ADYac/AMyHtqO2AAAJ

The only reliable work-around I've found to-date is to reload the web page 
after each save of tiddlywiki.

My Apache web server uses WebDav for tiddlywiki and I use the 
post-processing to make a backup (similar to how tiddlyspot has a backup 
directory) of changes to the files. It's not available for general use 
because of the etag issue.

On Monday, April 2, 2018 at 2:20:25 PM UTC-4, Kevin Kleinfelter wrote:
>
> I'm trying TW from an Apache WebDAV server.  I'm getting
> Error while saving:
> XMLHttpRequest error code: 412
>
> All I did was to load a brand new TW file into my browser via 
> http://192.168.1.2/webdav/testfile.html, add a new tiddler, and let the 
> auto-save do its thing.  I did no concurrent updating from another browser 
> or on the server.  I tried 3 times (starting with a new browser each time).
>
> I *think* my WebDAV is configured correctly:
>
>- I connected to it via Mac Finder, and added/deleted/renamed files 
>without error.
>- I was able to retrieve a file via: curl --user "userid:password" 
>http://myserver/webdav/testfile.html --digest -o testfile.html
>- I was able to put a file via: curl --user "userid:password" 
>http://myserver/webdav/ --upload-file testfile.html --digest
>
> When I look at the Apache access log I notice these two PUTs (first is the 
> TW put; second is the curl put):
>
>- "PUT /webdav/testfile.html HTTP/1.1" 412 558 "
>http://192.168.1.2/webdav/testfile.html; "Mozilla/5.0 blah-blah"
>- "PUT /webdav/testfile.html HTTP/1.1" 204 289 "-" "curl/7.54.0"
>
> Clearly, the difference in the PUT request formats triggers a 412 error 
> when TW PUTs the data.
>
> The Apache webdav and DavLock folders are owned and writable by www-data.  
> The DavLock db and the document files are owned and writable by www-data.
>
> What am I doing wrong?  
> TIA
>
>

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[tw] Re: [FF57] life after TiddlyLockPlugin

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For what it's worth, I've been using TiddlyWiki with the WebDav saver for 
many months now. I did some testing with locking using Apache (2.4) and it 
works well.

The only issue I have, which PMario alluded to, is that the WebDav saver 
does not properly get a new "token" to be able to identify if the 
tiddlywiki file has been modified. This means you have to reload the 
Tiddlywiki in the browser manually after every save. It's annoying but 
pretty easy as a work around.

On Tuesday, December 5, 2017 at 5:31:05 PM UTC-5, PMario wrote:
>
> Hi Julien, 
>
> Did you try WebDav https://tiddlywiki.com/#Saving%20via%20WebDAV ... The 
> link contains links to some videos, that I made. 
>
> IMO this may be interesting for you. ... WebDav would allow content 
> locking. ... but imo it would need some more support by the TW saver 
> module. 
>
> have fun!
> mario
>

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[tw] Re: How do I filter by date (of creation) for transclusion list?

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I understand some of what is going on there. You define a macro that prints 
the titles of all tiddlers with a creation date that matches 3 variables 
(currentYear, currentMonths, and currentTiddler).

Then you define currentYear and currentMonth to be (as the name suggests) 
the current year and current month.

The last filter loses me bit. It starts out building a list of all non 
draft (not being edited) tiddlers, all[tiddlers]!has[
draft.of]

Then, I think it sorts by the created field (so I get most recent at the 
top of the list). The removeprefix loses me.
The limit[3], I understand. That says only give the first three results.

I'm not sure how this works for notices that went up on say the 30th of the 
previous month when it is the 1st. Those would be less than a month old but 
aren't in the current month.




On Tuesday, December 5, 2017 at 12:17:02 PM UTC-5, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> \define getTiddlerTitle()
> <$list 
> filter="[all[tiddlers]field:created[$(currentYear)$$(currentMonth)$$(currentTiddler)$]]">
>
> {{!!title}}
>
> 
> \end
>
> <$vars currentMonth=<> currentYear=<>>
>
> <$list 
> filter="[all[tiddlers]!has[draft.of]!sort[created]get[created]removeprefixremoveprefixlimit[3]]">
> <>
>  
>  
>  
>
> Am Montag, 4. Dezember 2017 18:00:28 UTC+1 schrieb Lost Admin:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I started using TiddlyWiki as a tool to quickly make a small website. I 
>> would like to make an announcements/news section. I figured using the 
>> Journal tiddler technique would make a good way to generate a news list. It 
>> sorts by date and I can easily use the table-of-contents macro to generate 
>> a page listing all the news tiddlers.
>>
>> I would also like to have a subset of the most recent news show up on the 
>> default tiddler (transcluding them). I can't figure out how to make a 
>> filter to generate the list of tiddlers to transclude. Is there an easy way 
>> to do this? I'm thinking something like:
>>
>> All journal tiddlers that were created in the last month. Possibly 
>> further filtered by only displaying the most recent 3 in that list if there 
>> are more than 3 entries in that list.
>>
>

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[tw] Re: How do I filter by date (of creation) for transclusion list?

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Thanks. Not quite what I wanted, but still a good way to handle it.

On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 6:08:19 PM UTC-5, TonyM wrote:
>
> Lost Admin,
>
> A quick answer thus not comprehensive, if you create a list that shows the 
> tiddlers you want in the order you want you can then use limit[3] the 
> filter operand to show the first three. 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#limit%20Operator%20(Examples)
>
> <$list filter="[tag[ScratchPads]limit[2]]">
> {{!!title}}
> <$transclude mode=block/>
> 
>
> The above also creates a title for each tiddler and transcludes it.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
> On Tuesday, 5 December 2017 04:00:28 UTC+11, Lost Admin wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I started using TiddlyWiki as a tool to quickly make a small website. I 
>> would like to make an announcements/news section. I figured using the 
>> Journal tiddler technique would make a good way to generate a news list. It 
>> sorts by date and I can easily use the table-of-contents macro to generate 
>> a page listing all the news tiddlers.
>>
>> I would also like to have a subset of the most recent news show up on the 
>> default tiddler (transcluding them). I can't figure out how to make a 
>> filter to generate the list of tiddlers to transclude. Is there an easy way 
>> to do this? I'm thinking something like:
>>
>> All journal tiddlers that were created in the last month. Possibly 
>> further filtered by only displaying the most recent 3 in that list if there 
>> are more than 3 entries in that list.
>>
>

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[tw] Re: Explaining (some) Newbie(s) Confusion

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Dear Beginner,

I see your point. That is somewhat overwhelming.

We should probably find a way to break that list up a bit, or at least 
enhance to group saving methods into easy/advanced/experimental. I believe 
a long time TiddlyWiki user and contributor, TiddlyTweeter, said something 
similar a while ago.

In the mean time, may I suggest you start by looking at:

Download Saver, TiddlyServer, and TiddlyDesktop, more closely to see if 
they may meet your needs. I personally consider these to be good 
entry-level choices.

Sincerely,

Other User.

On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 2:07:17 PM UTC-5, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Dear Other User
>
> I find it hard to ask one question to get started when I see this ...
>
>
>
> WHAT question about WHAT?
>
> I'm a little bit DYSFUNCTIONAL: 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yutaN0eB-YQ
>
> Ye Beginner
>
> Lost Admin wrote:
>>
>> You have my sympathy for feeling fragile. ... there is something you can 
>> do to fix that. It's simple. Narrow down what you don't understand into 
>> small bits and ask specific questions about those bits. 
>>
>

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[tw] Re: Explaining (some) Newbie(s) Confusion

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Dear User,

You have my sympathy for feeling fragile. It is your fault for not 
understanding. Fortunately, there is something you can do to fix that. It's 
simple. Narrow down what you don't understand into small bits and ask 
specific questions about those bits. If the questions make sense to others, 
they will usually share their knowledge. Do this with enough bits and you 
may come to understand.

Sincerely,

Other User.

On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 1:13:54 PM UTC-5, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Dear Other User
>
> I'm fragile and feel its MY problem that I don't understand. 
>
> I'll leave before I start.
>
> FRAGILE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEEIzTCy6LU=youtu.be
>
> Ye Beginner
>
> Birthe C wrote:
>>
>> Really? Expecting to know and be able to do everything yesterday. I 
>> wouldn't find that confusing, just not working :-D
>>
>

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[tw] How do I filter by date (of creation) for transclusion list?

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Hi all,

I started using TiddlyWiki as a tool to quickly make a small website. I 
would like to make an announcements/news section. I figured using the 
Journal tiddler technique would make a good way to generate a news list. It 
sorts by date and I can easily use the table-of-contents macro to generate 
a page listing all the news tiddlers.

I would also like to have a subset of the most recent news show up on the 
default tiddler (transcluding them). I can't figure out how to make a 
filter to generate the list of tiddlers to transclude. Is there an easy way 
to do this? I'm thinking something like:

All journal tiddlers that were created in the last month. Possibly further 
filtered by only displaying the most recent 3 in that list if there are 
more than 3 entries in that list.

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[tw] Re: Australian or Sydney based tiddlywiki enthusiasts?

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I've wanted to visit Australia for some time. Especially now that you are 
having summer and we are having winter up here in the Great White North.

On Wednesday, November 22, 2017 at 12:48:17 AM UTC-5, TonyM wrote:
>
> Bump,
>
> I am sure there is more than me and Iain in Sydney. Let your friends know. 
>
> If not, Well time to recruit I say.
>
> Thanks
> Tony
>
> On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 10:18:25 AM UTC+11, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Folks,
>>
>> Calling any Australian or Sydney based tiddlywiki enthusiasts!
>>
>> I feel like a meetup, since re-newing my vows with tiddlywiki.
>>
>> If there is any interest I will set up a meeting, most likely using 
>> eventbright.
>>
>> Leave suggestions here as well, as to times; locations, and venues, I 
>> have a low cost venue in "Broadway/Glebe" (Sydney) and Randwick, then there 
>> is always a pub or cafe.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>>

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Re: [tw] Would this group be better on WhatsApp?

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In my humble opinion, to get what TT wants, what this group needs is proper 
forums instead of Google's attempt to replace nntp. We also probably need a 
wiki that can be edited by mutliple people.

Forums would allow categorization of discussions easier.

A wiki with multiple editors would allow different people to manage 
different aspects of documentation such as end-user guides, developer 
guides, dedicated guides to each of the 20 or so savers, etc.

But to do the above would require funding for hosting. 

On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 9:25:09 AM UTC-5, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao Jeremy
>
> Thanks for the reply.
>
> I was being more prodding than helpful.
>
> FRANKLY, though *GG is looking worse and worse over time*.
>
> Our major problem is it CANNOT cope with the sheer complexity of TW as it 
> evolves.
>
> Right now is a very good phase in TW's history to know that, to see that 
> clearly. 
>
> I think our GG approach is seriously BLUNTING (a) its use; (b) 
> understanding of it.
>
> The Sixteen Plus ways of saving TW -- well you are NOT gonna be able to 
> find all those on Google. Yeah TW .com gives access but TO a disorganised 
> mess.
>
> Can't we do better?
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
> Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> WhatsApp is good for chat but it’s ephemeral: it doesn’t off permalinks 
>> or searchability. It might have a role alongside this group, but as a 
>> replacement I think it's a non-starter.
>>
>>

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[tw] Re: Someone deserves cred! @JR

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2 things ...

On Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 4:20:54 PM UTC-5, Mat wrote:
>
> https://tiddlywiki.com/ ... is that... is it... YES IT IS!!! 
>
> TiddlyWiki 5.1.15 has been released!
>
> He might have done it silently but he deserves a loud HOORAY for Jeremy!!!
>
> <:-)
>

First, HOORAY!  for getting that out with the FireFox change-over and the 
hiccup on TiddlySpot.

Second, are there release notes? Or at least a press release?

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[tw] Re: TiddlySpot.com down - or only me?

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I'm not ready to look for an alternative to TiddlySpot yet. Until a week 
has passed with no improvements, or an official notification is given, I'm 
going to assume this is just technical difficulties with the hosting 
provider.

I have, however, just saved local copies of the wikis I have on tiddlyspot 
and migrated them to my test webdav environment.

On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 12:34:58 PM UTC-5, coda coder wrote:
>
> There's this:  https://maarfapad.cloudno.de/about 
> 
>
> Don't know much about it (yet) since “Maarfapad is currently in private 
> testing phase" according to the about page.
>
>
> On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 10:33:45 AM UTC-6, springer wrote:
>>
>> Here too. So sad. I have been relying on it, seamlessly, for years. 
>> Daily. Taking it for granted, once I had everything configured nicely...
>>
>> Really not sure what alternatives there are, for getting this kind of 
>> structured info published. (I use it for all the hyperlinked notes and 
>> self-quizzes relevant to the course I teach.)
>>
>> -E Springer
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 8, 2017 at 6:59:01 PM UTC-5, Mat wrote:
>>>
>>> Does http://tiddlyspot.com/ show 500 Server Error for anyone else?
>>>
>>> I do get my TWs to *load*, but I can't save/upload in them.
>>>
>>> Tried both Chrome and FF, on Win10.
>>>
>>> <:-)
>>>
>>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Presenting: the MultiUser wiki plugin (formerly Gatekeeper and TiddlyWebSockets)

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I do think the WebSockets plugin deserves to be on it's own. I can see it 
being used without the Node version of TiddlyWiki to interface with other 
services. I'm not specifically sure what but a situation where TiddlyWiki 
is used to create the webside and gets served from an otherwise static web 
server.

On Wednesday, November 8, 2017 at 3:38:48 PM UTC-5, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> NOTE: This only works on the node version of tiddlywiki.
>
> Because I am not using them separately and I don't know of a good reason 
> to separate them for now, I combined the two plugins into one and made them 
> work well.
>
> With this plugin you can have a multi-user tiddlywiki when running on 
> node. It is pretty much like the demo from before but this one works 
> better. And prevents multiple browsers from editing the same tiddler. And 
> hopefully just runs smoother in general.
>
> The code can probably be made a bit more efficient in some places but it 
> is ready for beta testing. I have designed in with the idea of having a 
> single tiddlywiki process serving multiple wikis and being able to 
> selectively server specific tiddlers to each connected browser, but those 
> features aren't ready yet.
>
> This plugin has three distinct parts that I don't know if I should split 
> into separate plugins or not since they don't do much on their own:
>
> A file system monitoring component that watches for changes and pushes the 
> changes to connected wikis as they happen, so you don't need to refresh the 
> server.
> A web sockets component that could be used to connect to any web socket 
> server, but for now it only connects the browser to the node process for 
> two-way communication.
> An annoying but necessary bit of code that determines which changes need 
> to get pushed to which wikis and what to ignore to prevent infinite 
> updating loops. If I never touch this code again I will be happy.
>
> Does anyone have an opinion about if any of the pieces should get their 
> own plugin?
>
> As part of this I had to add some more hooks to the navigator widget. I 
> will make a pull request on GitHub because it doesn't affect what the 
> navigator widget does at all but it was necessary for this, so maybe other 
> people will find it useful.
>

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[tw] Re: Whatever you do, never say "TWX"

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Can I say TWiX?

On Saturday, November 4, 2017 at 7:06:32 AM UTC-4, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> "TWX" a bit like the "Jehovah Problem."
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYkbqzWVHZI
>
> Josiah
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] A working prototype multi-user wiki

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This is interesting. I don't run node. Any chance of this making it into 
the Webdav saver? I doubt it since TW uses a single file with DAV.

On Wednesday, November 1, 2017 at 9:41:40 AM UTC-4, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> BIG SCARY DISCLAIMER: I am the only one who has tested this so far, and 
> only on linux mint. This may be full of bugs and could possibly make your 
> computer gain self awareness and take over the world. Or maybe just not 
> work very well.
>
> I am close to having a working multi-user wiki. I currently have it so 
> that the wiki in the browser (almost) immediately reflects any changes to 
> the .tid files on the file system and you can set it to ignore a list of 
> tiddlers. If you have multiple browsers connected to the same server than 
> changes made to the wiki in one browser are pushed to the other open 
> instances.
>
> To prevent two people from simultaneously editing the same tiddler and 
> overwriting each others edits I have it set up so that it sees when a draft 
> tiddler is created and disables the edit button for that tiddler.
>
> The current problem is that while the browser reflects changes on the file 
> system the syncers don't act quickly enough so when you edit a tiddler in 
> the browser it takes a few seconds to reflect that on the file system and 
> pass the changes to the other open wikis. So I am going to write a new 
> syncadapter that uses the websockets to get a faster response for 
> preventing multiple people from editing the same tiddler at the same time.
>
> The repo is here with a readme that explains how to set it up. Hopefully 
> it works, I have only tested it on linux.
>
> https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-Gatekeeper
>

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] WebDav Saver Observations.

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I can't currently find what I was reading that showed me that HEAD gets an 
e-tag, but this blog indicates it does:

http://joshua.schachter.org/2006/11/apache-etags

But I did use this one in my research. It explains why the Etag doesn't 
usually show up with a PUT.

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/42246577/why-responses-to-put-requests-must-not-provide-an-etag

The apache docs location should be obvious. I had to read the cache control 
and mod_dav, mod_dav_fs, and mod_headers section to sort out that Apache is 
not able to confirm that what as sent in the PUT will be exactly what is 
returned for the next GET request. So, no etag header.

I can show (because I tested) that the HEAD method does appear to return an 
etag.

<https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-5ZPzczsXCwY/WeeS3TtXGWI/AHQ/ZSzyiZTI3KAA4g1wuPth9lrbo1ZlO3tPwCLcBGAs/s1600/head.PNG>



On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 11:26:19 AM UTC-4, PMario wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 3:12:00 PM UTC+2, Lost Admin wrote:
>>
>> Could someone help me a bit with something? My coding skills are not up 
>> to even this simple task sadly.
>>
>> The WebDAV saver for TiddlyWiki saves using the HTTP PUT method. 
>> Unfortunately the Apache and IIS implementations of WebDAV do not respond 
>> with the updated ETag header. However, according to the documentation, 
>>
>
> Hi, Can you add some links to your docs? Especially the ETag handling 
> stuff, that you refer to?
>  
> -m
>

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] WebDav Saver Observations.

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Could someone help me a bit with something? My coding skills are not up to 
even this simple task sadly.

The WebDAV saver for TiddlyWiki saves using the HTTP PUT method. 
Unfortunately the Apache and IIS implementations of WebDAV do not respond 
with the updated ETag header. However, according to the documentation, the 
HTTP HEAD method should respond with the new ETAG. So, I would like to 
modify the WebDAV saver to do the following:

1) call the HTTP LOCK method to lock the file
2) call the HTTP PUT method to save the file (as it does today with the 
ETAG and everything)

3) If save fails: return the error message (like we do today)
4) if save succeeds: call the HTTP HEAD method to get the updated ETag

5) call the HTTP UNLOCK method to release the lock on the file

NOTES:

If I read the documentation correctly, HTTP locks have a timeout. So if an 
issue occurs during the locked phase, the file should be released in a few 
minutes.

I'm not bothering to actually check if we got a lock after step 1 because 
we will still get an error from the PUT call due to either another file 
lock or the ETag miss-match.

The UNLOCK response doesn't need to be communicated to the end-user because 
it should only fail if the initial lock failed (or there is some miss-match 
in the lock token). This could even be done asynchronously.

We could conceivably use the HTTP LOCK method to lock a tiddlywiki when it 
is being edited but the LOCK method has a timeout, so we would need to 
periodically re-request the lock. Right now I prefer the  opportunistic 
locking method we are using with ETag. The only reason to use the lock 
around the PUT and HEAD calls is to ensure that the ETag we get is the one 
that matches the data we just saved and not the data submitted by another 
person at almost the same time.

In Apache, the lock method is optional and requires some additional set-up. 
By ignoring the success/failure of the lock, we nicely fall-back to the 
current ETag method.

Thoughts? Suggestions? Pointers to where I find the parts of the WebDAV 
saver code in tiddlywiki to attempt to make these changes myself?




On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 4:59:40 PM UTC-4, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> Ok, so how *does* web dav take care of making sure someone is editing the 
> latest version? Or does it use the entirely file-system concept of locking 
> files for editing?
>
> Are we barking up the wrong tree with the idea of using web DAV? It is 
> entirely file system centered. The fact that it can handle web requests 
> seems almost incidental. Or maybe it is just the simple fact that the PUT 
> saver nowhere near implements the entire DAV protocol. 
>
> What protocol talks about Etags in 204 responses? The one I found only 
> mentions it once in relation to a PUT request by saying that there is no 
> specific definition of whether it should guarantee the file content is 
> exactly byte-for-byte identical to the PUT request.  
> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4918.txt
>
> The HTTP/1.1 spec is at https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2616.txt
>
> I can't find anything in either of those just by searching for "etag".
>
> Just some thoughts.
>
> On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Lost Admin <thelos...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> I've been trying to dig into the proper specs on the use of ETag and it 
>> looks like it is only supposed to be sent from the server along with the 
>> data. Thus the PUT request is not supposed to include a new ETag. I 
>> *think* Apache is actually doing it right.
>>
>> Also, I did the same series of screenshots on my test Lighttpd server 
>> (which doesn't experience the same 412 error) and for some reason, the 
>> If-Match header gets dropped from the subsequent PUT requests headers. I 
>> don't know why it would be different as I think that header is coming from 
>> the client side.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 9:18:07 AM UTC-4, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>>>
>>> It is becoming pretty clear that for some reason the Etag is not being 
>>> set in the response header, nor anything else equivalent to it. Per our 
>>> discussion privately, it does seem that this is an Apache issue, however I 
>>> have not been able to look into it further. 
>>>
>>> A couple of articles which touch on this: 
>>>
>>>- 
>>>
>>> https://fullstackhack.wordpress.com/2014/12/10/the-pain-of-etags-mod_deflate-apache-2-4-and-tomcat-7/
>>> 
>>>- https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/caching.html
>>>
>>> At some point I will test it on one of my servers and see if I can get 
>>> it working. However, it is obvious that this is the problem. One option 
>>> would be to make a second head request if the 204 response

[tw] Re: Making tiddlywiki available online

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The 500 server error response indicates the server had a problem. Can you 
check the server logs?

This is a wild guess, but you should check to make sure that the system 
user that runs the php script (probably the system user that runs the web 
server) has write access to the location that the tiddlywiki file is going 
to be saved to.

On Monday, October 16, 2017 at 10:49:15 PM UTC-4, Terces ... wrote:
>
> Greetings everyone,
>
> I'm trying to host my own tiddlywiki on my server. For me it is important 
> that I can edit the wiki from anywhere, since I want to do some of my work 
> while I'm away. I would also appreciate not having to save/replace my wiki 
> file all the time (so dropbox solutions are not what I'm looking for).
>
> I tried doing the method mentioned in the wiki:
> I got myself the empty.html wiki file
> I got myself the store.php
> I edited the store.php
> I uploaded both files to my webspace
> I load the empty.html and change the saving settings
> it shows "starting to save wiki"
> in the console I see that the POST failed with a 500 internal server error.
> URL and data seems to be fine
>
>
> Is it just me that is having problems with this?
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated
>

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[tw] Re: Thoughts from the Obvious Side ...

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On Monday, October 16, 2017 at 12:20:57 PM UTC-4, Abraham Samma wrote:
>
> ...
> I personally think TW5 is still on a journey of self discovery and we need 
> to keep at it as a community in order for something wonderful to come out 
> of it.
>

I would like to volunteer to drive TW5 around the country in a classic VW 
camper on this journey of self-discovery. I always wanted to do that but 
never did. All I need is sufficient funding.

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] WebDav Saver Observations.

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If you are familiar with setting up Apache, you could definitely set-up an 
Apache WebDav server. I just followed some generic how-to guides that 
explains the settings needed to get WebDav, TLS (and letsencrypt), and 
authentication working on Apache.

The issue is with using TiddlyWiki. When you save your wiki, it sends an 
HTTP PUT method request. You either get a normal save (like we are used to 
with TiddlyWiki) or a somewhat cryptic 412 error.

The 412 error indicates the save didn't happen because the version on the 
server is "newer" than the version your browser has. It works nicely when 
multiple people try to edit the same TiddlyWiki file (I tested this myself).

Unfortunately, in order to get the magic ETag value after you save a 
change, you need to reload TiddlyWiki because you don't get an update to it 
after the PUT request.

*Note:* ETag is just an HTTP header that the server sends with a GET 
request. It changes when the file changes. When TiddlyWiki saves (does the 
PUT) it sends the ETag back to the server effectively saying, "save the 
file if the ETag is this otherwise give me an error".

I am planning on writing up a full setup guide to create your own WebDav 
server using Apache, TLS, Letsencrypt, and HTTP Basic Auth (in digest mode) 
but I'm not going to until it works properly. Which means without needing 
to reload. Sadly, my programming skills are seriously lacking. I think I 
know what should be done in TiddlyWiki's webdav saver, but I don't have the 
skills to do it.

On Tuesday, October 10, 2017 at 1:27:04 PM UTC-4, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Where are we with this?
>
> Could a newbie cope?
>
> Is the install outlined above consistent & reliable?
>
> Josiah
>
>

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] WebDav Saver Observations.

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Further on the complexity of ETag and why Apache (and generic web servers) 
should not send an updated ETag in response to a PUT:

https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-reschke-http-etag-on-write-09.html


On Thursday, September 14, 2017 at 3:23:30 PM UTC-4, Lost Admin wrote:
>
> I finally found something that properly talks about Etags. You can infer 
> why we don't get an ETag header in the response to a PUT (for both Apache 
> and IIS). 
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/42246577/why-responses-to-put-requests-must-not-provide-an-etag
>
> You can skip going to the link if you want to. It is asking for an 
> explanation of when to send an ETag or not and I think we can use what it 
> quotes to get the understanding.
>
> *An origin server MUST NOT send a validator header field* (Section 7.2 
> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7231#section-7.2>), such as an ETag or 
> Last-Modified field, in a successful response to PUT unless the request's 
> representation data was saved without any transformation applied to the 
> body (i.e., the resource's new representation data is identical to the 
> representation data received in the PUT request) and the validator field 
> value reflects the new representation. This requirement allows a user agent 
> to know when the representation body it has in memory remains current as a 
> result of the PUT, thus not in need of being retrieved again from the 
> origin server, and that *the new validator(s) received in the response 
> can be used for future conditional requests* in order to prevent 
> accidental overwrites (Section 5.2 
> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7231#section-5.2>).
>
> Apache (and IIS) allow for the server to be configured such that you can 
> add a custom processor to specific HTTP actions (like PUT) that are 
> completely independent of WebDAV (I forget how but I did one for a post 
> call once because we didn't have source and needed to re-mangle some of the 
> user input).
>
> This means that the Apache web server doesn't know for sure that what you 
> send in the PUT through WebDAV will be what it picks up on the next GET. 
> So, can't send and updated ETag.
>
> I imagine the same goes for IIS.
>
> Lighttpd doesn't appear to honor etag and If-Match headers so Lighttpd is 
> broken. Nginx (I've been told) has a very primitive webdav module so is 
> also not suitable for this discussion.
>
> On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 4:59:40 PM UTC-4, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>>
>> Ok, so how *does* web dav take care of making sure someone is editing 
>> the latest version? Or does it use the entirely file-system concept of 
>> locking files for editing?
>>
>> Are we barking up the wrong tree with the idea of using web DAV? It is 
>> entirely file system centered. The fact that it can handle web requests 
>> seems almost incidental. Or maybe it is just the simple fact that the PUT 
>> saver nowhere near implements the entire DAV protocol. 
>>
>> What protocol talks about Etags in 204 responses? The one I found only 
>> mentions it once in relation to a PUT request by saying that there is no 
>> specific definition of whether it should guarantee the file content is 
>> exactly byte-for-byte identical to the PUT request.  
>> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4918.txt
>>
>> The HTTP/1.1 spec is at https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2616.txt
>>
>> I can't find anything in either of those just by searching for "etag".
>>
>> Just some thoughts.
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Lost Admin <thelos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I've been trying to dig into the proper specs on the use of ETag and it 
>>> looks like it is only supposed to be sent from the server along with the 
>>> data. Thus the PUT request is not supposed to include a new ETag. I 
>>> *think* Apache is actually doing it right.
>>>
>>> Also, I did the same series of screenshots on my test Lighttpd server 
>>> (which doesn't experience the same 412 error) and for some reason, the 
>>> If-Match header gets dropped from the subsequent PUT requests headers. I 
>>> don't know why it would be different as I think that header is coming from 
>>> the client side.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 9:18:07 AM UTC-4, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It is becoming pretty clear that for some reason the Etag is not being 
>>>> set in the response header, nor anything else equivalent to it. Per our 
>>>> discussion privately, it does seem that this is an Apache issue, however I 
>>>> have not been able to look into it further. 
>>>>
>>>&

[tw] Re: An Aside: Learning Curves

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I always wondered where that one came from.

On Tuesday, October 10, 2017 at 10:04:47 AM UTC-4, Mark S. wrote:
>
> The common meaning of stuff happens when people guess at what a phrase 
> means. Eventually the common meaning becomes the effective meaning.
>
> The one that always bother me is "left hand doesn't know what the right 
> hand does"
>
> The original context of this saying was about giving. i.e. Give without 
> paying attention to how much.
>
> But today it's almost always used in the context of dysfunctional 
> government or organizations.
>
> Mark
>
> On Tuesday, October 10, 2017 at 3:09:30 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> Ciao David & others
>>
>> The discussion was interesting. I think I wasn't quite as explicit in my 
>> bits as I could have been. 
>>
>> The origin of "learning curve" dates back some time in psychology (1920's 
>> and before) when this kind of curve ...
>>
>>
>> ...meant you learnt quite fast at the start but eventually plateau.
>>
>> Sometime in the 1970's the idea of "steep learning curve" emerged that is 
>> metaphorically the opposite. That the "steepness is effort, not gain". That 
>> is NOT what the original research showed. 
>>
>> I'm interested sociologically and linguistically in the contradiction 
>> between the older (still relevant psychology) and the wider meaning the 
>> "steep" version adopted.
>>
>> Well, I did say it was an "aside" :-)
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Josiah
>>
>> Dave Gifford - http://www.giffmex.org/ wrote:
>>>
>>> Steep learning curve is fine if you know there will eventually be a 
>>> payoff worth the steep effort. But most newbies aren't sure it will be 
>>> worth the effort. 
>>>
>>
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[tw] Re: Big tables

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Nice trick.

Is there a way to add that to all tables without needing to specify 
|scrollable|k on the top?

On Thursday, October 5, 2017 at 3:49:17 PM UTC-4, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Thursday, October 5, 2017 at 12:33:02 PM UTC-7, Ste Wilson wrote:
>>
>> I'm sure this is a solved problem but... 
>> Inspired by Ms McEnzie of London, Italy and her recent trip to a 
>> furniture store I too have decided it is time for some big tables in my 
>> tiddlywiki (got there eventually). 
>> On mobile they spill out over the edge of the tiddler and have to be 
>> viewed with a sideways swipe. Is there anyway short of an iframe of 
>> confining it to the tiddler but having scroll bars in the tiddler? 
>> Is my understanding correct that Fortran I frame is have to host the 
>> content somewhere else? 
>> Cheers all
>
>
> First, create a CSS class with the following styles:
> 
> .scrollable { display:block; overflow:auto; }
> 
>
> Then, apply it to the table like this:
>
> |scrollable|k
>
> |long|table|that|overflows|the|side|of|the|tiddler|and|need|to|be|scrolled|longerheadingtext|andmoreheadingtext|andstillmoreheadingtext|
>
> |long|table|that|overflows|the|side|of|the|tiddler|and|need|to|be|scrolled|longerheadingtext|andmoreheadingtext|andstillmoreheadingtext|
>
> |long|table|that|overflows|the|side|of|the|tiddler|and|need|to|be|scrolled|longerheadingtext|andmoreheadingtext|andstillmoreheadingtext|
>
> |long|table|that|overflows|the|side|of|the|tiddler|and|need|to|be|scrolled|longerheadingtext|andmoreheadingtext|andstillmoreheadingtext|
>  
>
> enjoy,
> -e
> Eric Shulman
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[tw] Re: Opinion: The TIDDLYFOX problem is only part of it ...

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But then what am I supposed to use as a web browser? MSIE/Edge is full of 
security holes and Chrome is as much spyware as it is a web browser. I 
suppose I could switch over entirely to Apple products and run Safari but I 
don't like the lack of upgradability.

On Thursday, October 5, 2017 at 2:18:53 PM UTC-4, Stan001 wrote:
>
> Agree, FF will finish itself. i.e becoming marginal by removing the 
> easiness of customizability (btw one of its main advantages). - Well, I'm 
> not the youngest and I've seen it s many times in technology.
>
> May you rest in peace as memories of you FF will live on ;-) 
>
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[tw] Re: Using TiddlyFox into the future

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It's not "vaguely possible sometime hack". it's definitely possible 
sometimes hack. Although to my knowledge the sometimes has turned out to be 
extremely rare. So, you do have a point.

By modern web browser security standards, the old method is far too open 
with the potential for abuse. Since I suspect Mozilla (they still manage 
Firefox don't they) doesn't want to have to police the add-in library as 
heavily as Apple polices the IOS marketplace, they decided to remove the 
openness of the way extensions work.

The threat is simple, although pretty much unrealized. The architecture of 
XUL pretty much gave the extension developers full access to your computer. 
Which means you have to trust them to write good code. The folks that 
manage the Firefox add-ons website will get a lot of flack if they let an 
extension in that turns out to be a back door into consumer desktops.

Instead of trying to wrap a sandbox around the XUL system, they decided to 
replace it with a more modern and limited framework.

Note: I am not supporting the decision, only providing a bit more context 
behind why they might have decided to go this way. I actually like the 
openness of the old way. I, like many of you, thought it was a strength 
even if it did require more diligence on my part.

On Wednesday, October 4, 2017 at 1:39:41 PM UTC-4, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao Rob
>
> I do understand the concern. But it was pretty much a concern without 
> proven foundation. 
>
> I NEVER, in years, had any problem. AND there is NOTHING I have ever seen 
> that indicates the FF extension system was seriously abused. 
>
> It seems to me that legitimate paranoia got mixed up with "vaguely 
> possible sometime hack". IMO there is a larger story going on beyond basic 
> web security about "Memes Of Modern Thought" that posit threats where they 
> don't, pragmatically, function.
>
> Anyway, its a done deal. AND the issue is WebExtensions at the moment, are 
> no way capable of replacing the previous saving system. 
>
> With TW that's an issue, but not fatal, with many other extensions it is 
> death.
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
> Rob Hoelz wrote:
>>
>> I can see where RichardWilliamSmith is coming from - I think Mozilla 
>> realized just how *dangerous *it is for extensions from third party 
>> developers to have unfettered access to various OS services such as files, 
>> especially in this day and age. 
>>
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Re: [tw] Re: Laptop + Mobile access = TiddlyServer?

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I've done some pretty thorough testing on this. Where it stands is this:

After you save to the Apache (or ISS) DAV, you need to reload the wiki 
(press browser reload) and you can continue just fine.

*Technical details:*

The TiddlyWiki DAV saver uses an HTTP header called eTag. This is a value 
that indicates the state of the "object" (in this case tiddlywiki file) 
when it was last received by the browser. When you perform a DAV save 
operation (a PUT method),  the file changed and so the eTag value changed 
as well. Apache does not set a new eTag value with the PUT operation 
because Apache cannot confirm that there was no post processing once the 
file was saved so it does not send an updated eTag until you issue another 
GET call.

This is documented and proper behavior. A PUT is only supposed to send an 
updated eTag in the response if the server knows that the browser version 
of the data is the same as the server version. While this can be done with 
a GET operation, Apache is unable to confirm this with a PUT since Apache 
is not aware of any post-processing that might happen server-side.

I'm still trying to figure out how to force Apache to send an eTag with the 
response to the PUT, but I haven't yet figured out how.


On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 1:31:59 PM UTC-4, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> If using DAV saver, TiddlyServer will prevent overwriting the server with 
> a stale copy if you are working on more than one device. Apache is supposed 
> to do this, but we were having trouble with it, so I'm not sure where it 
> stands.
>
> Here is the link to the discussion. 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/3206b23b-d4e5-4fe3-8984-70b449b7218c%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer
>
>
> On Oct 2, 2017 12:57 PM, "Lost Admin" <thelos...@gmail.com > 
> wrote:
>
>> If you are going to the extent of putting a server on a Raspberry Pi, why 
>> not setup a proper web server? Apache with either webdav (for the dav 
>> saver) or mod_php for the store.php used by tiddlyspot (it's on Github) 
>> will give you a lot more flexibility. 
>>
>> You can even have ssl/tls if you register a domain. You can use 
>> Letsencrypt for the certificate for free with readily available scripts.
>>
>> On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 11:39:44 AM UTC-4, Glenn D wrote:
>>>
>>> If I want to view and edit from multiple devices would the server be the 
>>> best implementation?
>>>
>>> If I install it on my Raspberry Pi, would I be able to edit using 
>>> TiddlyDesktop on my laptop? Or would it be better to stick w/ TiddlyFox?
>>>
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[tw] Re: Laptop + Mobile access = TiddlyServer?

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If you are going to the extent of putting a server on a Raspberry Pi, why 
not setup a proper web server? Apache with either webdav (for the dav 
saver) or mod_php for the store.php used by tiddlyspot (it's on Github) 
will give you a lot more flexibility. 

You can even have ssl/tls if you register a domain. You can use Letsencrypt 
for the certificate for free with readily available scripts.

On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 11:39:44 AM UTC-4, Glenn D wrote:
>
> If I want to view and edit from multiple devices would the server be the 
> best implementation?
>
> If I install it on my Raspberry Pi, would I be able to edit using 
> TiddlyDesktop on my laptop? Or would it be better to stick w/ TiddlyFox?
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[tw] Re: What's the tilde for?

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The tilde character is used to suppress the action of camel case 
automatically creating a link to another tiddler.

I.E. MyTiddler would create a link to a tiddler with the title "MyTiddler", 
even if no such tiddler yet exists. But ~MyTiddler would not.

On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 11:35:48 AM UTC-4, Corey Woodworth wrote:
>
> When downloading a new or empty tiddlywiki, the default tiddler's title 
> has a ~ in it. "My ~TiddlyWiki" Is there any particular reason for the ~? 
> Does it do anything to style or label the title that I'm unaware of? It's 
> hard to search for ~ since it's too short a string to find in the 
> documentation, so my efforts to find an answer manually have been 
> fruitless. 
>

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki not working properly on latest version of firefox

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I don't know if it is related, but after I upgraded Firefox it was having 
all sorts of problems. Most obvious, if I opened a new blank tab and then 
entered a URL, it  would never load the page. But clicking on a link and 
choosing open in new tab would work find (and I could then type an 
unrelated url and it loaded fine).

I ended up uninstalling Firefox and wiping the profile from the hard disk 
and then re-installing. Suddenly everything worked fine. I'm assuming it 
didn't handle some upgrade to the config/profile properly.

I haven't actually tried to use tiddlywiki with the latest Firefox yet, so 
it may not be related.

On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 11:32:14 AM UTC-4, Adrian Holbrook wrote:
>
> Just updated to Firefox 55.0.3 and the right hand menu does not work any 
> more. I can still use the scroll bar but i get a ghosted menu that scrolls 
> and another copy behind it that stays in the same place. Clicking on any of 
> the menu items no longer works. Can anyone help?
>

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[tw] Re: Wikipedia like sidebar

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I don't know if such a thing exists, but a fairly simple way to create one 
would be to make a View Template that generates a table from the fields of 
a tiddler and displays them in a table. The view template could use a 
custom CSS tiddler to size and place the table on the right.

You can tie View Templates to specific tags, so you can make different 
types of view templates for different types of tiddlers with different 
fields.

On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 9:46:48 AM UTC-4, Corey Woodworth wrote:
>
> A lot of wikipedia topics have a sort of table on the right hand side. The 
> tables are often formatted differently, for example, the table for 
> countries has maps and flags and lists the current leader, capitol etc. 
> etc. The sidebar for presidents have portraits and links to previous and 
> subsequent presidents etc. However, most all of the sidebars in one 
> category (like Presidents) are similar to each other. This is a really 
> handy way to quickly get to and organize important small facts about 
> whatever that page is about. This same sort of tool is used in many other 
> wikis too, like on wikia, and memory alpha, because it is a very effective 
> tool. Is there a simple way, or plugin for TiddlyWiki to accomplish the 
> same thing? I know I could manually create a table, but that would involve 
> a decent amount of initial work, followed by a LOT of copy and pasting for 
> each similar tiddler. A plugin, or something similar would be hugely 
> helpful in the regard, does something like that exist? Thanks!
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[tw] Re: [off topic] We need guides on how to make tutorials etc

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On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 8:31:31 AM UTC-4, RichardWilliamSmith 
wrote:
>
> ... - I have to overcome my hatred of my own voice. ...
>

Adjust the pitch of your audio track track down 1% to 3% before listening 
to yourself. Nobody likes the sound of their own voice when recorded 
because your head acts as a natural base booster for your own talking. So 
you are used to hearing more base from yourself than other people hear.
 

> ... As far as tips and tricks for making instructional [video]s ...
>

Please include written instructions with lots of screenshots so that people 
following the tutorial don't have to constantly rewind/fast forward to 
figure out what they are supposed to be doing. A link to a tiddlywiki on 
how to do a specific think with tiddlywiki works great.
 

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