[tw5] Re: Bookmarks/Favorites

[TonyM]

Scott,

Some incomplete responses below

On Monday, April 29, 2019 at 5:56:50 AM UTC+10, Scott Simmons (Secret-HQ) 
wrote:
>
> Thinking about this has raised a couple of other "How do I ... with 
> TiddlyWiki?" questions.  I'm going to brain-dump them here in case anyone 
> has quick answers or ideas:
>
>1. How do I scrape/capture the  of a page by inputting a URL 
>into a field?  Has anyone built a TW-friendly mechanism for this?
>
> This may be the most difficult Question to answer, yet sometimes when I 
drag a link to  tiddlywiki it drops the link Plus the text 
Perhaps there is a special active bookmark mechanism that can be used in 
the browser, I know some people have cramed automation into special browser 
bookmarks 

>
>1. How do I write a filter to find all tiddlers with a specific tag — 
>and *no other tags*?
>   - That second part is the tricky bit, at least for me.
>   
> One way is to compare the result of the filter tags with the field tags 
{{tags}} or in filters {tags}, or just ask if tags[tagname]  = 
fieldname[value] as tags containing one tiddler only is equal to the name 
of that tag

>
>- 
>1. I know there has been some traction on developing tiddler bundles, 
>but is there a format for a file consisting of multiple .tids in a single 
>file?
>   - That is, could I batch-convert an HTML file exported from a 
>   browser into a file of .TIDs and then import them without having to 
> split 
>   that HTML into multiple files *first*?
>
> Marios bundler plugin is a worth while tool. I recommend using it. However 
exporting a json file from advanced search is multiple tiddlers in a single 
file. I think it's josua developing a sophisticate json editor and related 
tools you should look to for json file handling.

>
>1. How do I pass a variable into the <$list> widget of a tiddler 
>that's transcluded in a tabset?
>   - I'm thiking about giving each "folder" tiddler (i.e., each 
>   tiddler that would correspond to a folder in a traditional bookmarks 
> file) 
>   a set of tabs for displaying its children in different ways.  This 
> would 
>   enable you to cycle through different views of the "contents" of a 
> folder — 
>   sorted by creation date, sorted by tag, or what-have-you.
>   Rather than create a tabset for each one of these tiddlers, I'd 
>   like them to reference a set of static tiddlers containing variables 
> and 
>   then pass that variable to them.  Something like <$var 
>   foo="bar"><> where tab1, tab2, 
>   and tab3 all have filters like <$list 
>   filter="[tag[$(foo)$]]">
>
> Using tabs you specify a template that can contain the above list 
statement and use `<>` rather than `<>` There 
are a number of ways to achieve what you want here.

Regards
Tony
 

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[tw5] Re: Bookmarks/Favorites

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

#2 Example, perhaps

<$list filter="[tag[HelloThere]]" variable="testme">
<$list filter="[titletags[]count[]]" variable="count">
<$reveal type="match" default="1" text=<>>
<>



On Sunday, April 28, 2019 at 12:56:50 PM UTC-7, Scott Simmons (Secret-HQ) 
wrote:
>
> Thinking about this has raised a couple of other "How do I ... with 
> TiddlyWiki?" questions.  I'm going to brain-dump them here in case anyone 
> has quick answers or ideas:
>
>1. How do I scrape/capture the  of a page by inputting a URL 
>into a field?  Has anyone built a TW-friendly mechanism for this?
>2. How do I write a filter to find all tiddlers with a specific tag — 
>and *no other tags*?
>   - That second part is the tricky bit, at least for me.
>   3. I know there has been some traction on developing tiddler 
>bundles, but is there a format for a file consisting of multiple .tids in 
> a 
>single file?
>   - That is, could I batch-convert an HTML file exported from a 
>   browser into a file of .TIDs and then import them without having to 
> split 
>   that HTML into multiple files *first*?
>4. How do I pass a variable into the <$list> widget of a tiddler 
>that's transcluded in a tabset?
>   - I'm thiking about giving each "folder" tiddler (i.e., each 
>   tiddler that would correspond to a folder in a traditional bookmarks 
> file) 
>   a set of tabs for displaying its children in different ways.  This 
> would 
>   enable you to cycle through different views of the "contents" of a 
> folder — 
>   sorted by creation date, sorted by tag, or what-have-you.
>   Rather than create a tabset for each one of these tiddlers, I'd 
>   like them to reference a set of static tiddlers containing variables 
> and 
>   then pass that variable to them.  Something like <$var 
>   foo="bar"><> where tab1, tab2, 
>   and tab3 all have filters like <$list 
>   filter="[tag[$(foo)$]]">
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Bookmarks/Favorites

[Scott Simmons (Secret-HQ)]

Thinking about this has raised a couple of other "How do I ... with 
TiddlyWiki?" questions.  I'm going to brain-dump them here in case anyone 
has quick answers or ideas:

   1. How do I scrape/capture the  of a page by inputting a URL into 
   a field?  Has anyone built a TW-friendly mechanism for this?
   2. How do I write a filter to find all tiddlers with a specific tag — 
   and *no other tags*?
  - That second part is the tricky bit, at least for me.
  3. I know there has been some traction on developing tiddler bundles, 
   but is there a format for a file consisting of multiple .tids in a single 
   file?
  - That is, could I batch-convert an HTML file exported from a browser 
  into a file of .TIDs and then import them without having to split that 
HTML 
  into multiple files *first*?
   4. How do I pass a variable into the <$list> widget of a tiddler that's 
   transcluded in a tabset?
  - I'm thiking about giving each "folder" tiddler (i.e., each tiddler 
  that would correspond to a folder in a traditional bookmarks file) a set 
of 
  tabs for displaying its children in different ways.  This would enable 
you 
  to cycle through different views of the "contents" of a folder — sorted 
by 
  creation date, sorted by tag, or what-have-you.
  Rather than create a tabset for each one of these tiddlers, I'd like 
  them to reference a set of static tiddlers containing variables and then 
  pass that variable to them.  Something like <$var foo="bar"><> where tab1, tab2, and tab3 all have 
  filters like <$list filter="[tag[$(foo)$]]">
   

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[tw5] Re: Bookmarks/Favorites

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

When I started working on Quinoid, I found I needed a way to track 
references


But of course, it doesn't interface with Firefox bookmarks. 

I was thinking that it might be possible to write a processor in node.js 
that would convert a bookmarks.json file exported from FF into tid files 
that could be loaded into TW. Not having used node, I'm making assumptions 
about the ability to open/close files which might not be true. I thought of 
node because javascript already has JSON abilities built-in. And  most 
people using TW already have node installed somewhere. 

-- Mark

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[tw5] Re: Bookmarks/Favorites

[Scott Simmons (Secret-HQ)]

On Wednesday, April 24, 2019 at 1:12:39 PM UTC-4, Joshua Fontany wrote:
>
> Getting my rather LARGE bookmark collection into tiddlywiki is pretty high 
> on my to-do list. Really like what I am hearing so far.
>

I'm in the same boat — and yet *STILL* a bit reluctant to make the leap 
from keeping bookmarks in the browser to keeping them in a TiddlyWiki.  
(The primary allure for me is in being able to sort and display bookmarks 
in all sorts of different ways using tags and custom templates.)

As an escape hatch, I'd love to have a TiddlyWiki mechnism for exporting a 
[browser-of-your-choice]-compliant .HTML file to move bookmarks back to the 
browser if you decide to do so in the future.  It should be possible to 
generate the body of the file with filters and macros then export it with 
some customizations to the export function.  (I think; I'm iffier on this 
second part, as I've never tried that.)

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[tw5] Re: Bookmarks/Favorites

[Scott Simmons (Secret-HQ)]

I concur with Dave.  These are some thrilling possibilities!

Regarding TiddlyClip, check out my comments here:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/1Z7kIaPF2Nk/RRpYwX-XAwAJ

Regarding custom dropzones, here's some more food for thought:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/1Z7kIaPF2Nk/1Unp_D6YAwAJ

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[tw5] Re: Bookmarks/Favorites

[Scott Simmons (Secret-HQ)]

On Sunday, April 21, 2019 at 6:11:54 AM UTC-4, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> I made a bookmarks library too, but it may not be as good as Dave's.
>
> https://ooktech.com/TiddlyWiki/Bookmarks/
>

That's awesome, Jed!  Looking back through my folders, I found an earlier 
version I'd cadged (from here maybe?) a while back.

I like the way you're using a custom ViewTemplate.  Custom ViewTemplate(s?) 
and EditTemplate(s?) are the direction I'm starting to think in.
 

> I briefly looked at what would be necessary to be able to automatically 
> add bookmarks to tiddlywiki and didn't get anywhere. From what I remember 
> browser security restrictions made it annoying.
>

I can believe that.  TonyM's idea of a custom dropzone certainly is 
interesting.  I'd considered what happens when you drag a URL onto an open 
TiddlyWiki, but then I immdiately thought about what happens when you drag 
a *TiddlyWiki* URL onto an open TiddlyWiki and wondered what might happen 
with different file types/extensions.  I have no idea how to go about 
building a custom dropzone, but that seems like a great potential solution.

Especially if you can turn a bookmarks TiddlyWiki into a browser sidebar, 
where you can drag links onto a dropzone and bookmark without leaving the 
main window.  *That* would be super-cool.

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[tw5] Re: Bookmarks/Favorites

[Scott Simmons (Secret-HQ)]

Hi, Birthe —

Glad to see it's not just me who has some interest in this.  It's been a 
wish-list item for me for a while.  I'm hesitant whether ANY solution will 
be worth the pain-staking process of migrating my bookmarks out of my 
browser and into TiddlyWiki, but the idea of having a cross-browser set of 
local bookmarks where I can use multidimensional filtering to see details 
in all sorts of different arrangements is awfully appealing.

On Sunday, April 21, 2019 at 5:42:18 AM UTC-4, Birthe C wrote:
>
> For a long time I have used tiddlyclip to bookmark. I have it ask for a 
> tag when I do so. The good part is, that in my wiki I can make comments to 
> my tiddler (bookmark).
>

I tried out TiddlyClip a while back but never spent much time with it.  I 
know some users are great fans of its abilities.

I'd like to give it another spin, but since I'm clueless about running TW 
under Node.js or BOB, I'm not sure how to get the latest version (@ GitHub 
) to work in the browser.  [No idea 
how to pluginify (?) it for that environment.]

I'd also a little reluctant to leverage another plugin that requires a 
browser plugin for my solution.  That may be one more dependency than I 
want to keep up with.

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[tw5] Re: Bookmarks/Favorites

[TonyM]

Joshua,

you can export bookmarks to bookmarks.html and drop that in. Its not ideal but 
quick but I like the approach you are investigating.

Tony

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[tw5] Re: Bookmarks/Favorites

[Joshua Fontany]

Good ideas!

I'm still hacking away at my JsonEditor / JsonUI project, but just before 
that I was experimenting with auto-importing Chrome/Firefox bookmarks 
directly from the sql database they live in (& also grabbing favicons from 
that sql db). Getting my rather LARGE bookmark collection into tiddlywiki 
is pretty high on my to-do list. Really like what I am hearing so far.

Best,
Joshua Fontany

On Monday, April 22, 2019 at 4:01:29 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>
> Jed.
>
> When it comes to drag and drop quite a bit could be done to the import 
> process however tiddlywiki drag and drop features could also be used to 
> create custom drop zones that use an alternate import process. 
>
> I imagined a custom tiddler with say 4 to 6 large table cells with an icon 
> and background colour each. An alternate import process for each would 
> provide different zones for example standard import, bookmark import, 
> maintain json as a tiddler and drop imports with or without title prompts.
>
> This tiddler could be displayed on the background when other tiddlers are 
> closed.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Bookmarks/Favorites

[TonyM]

Jed.

When it comes to drag and drop quite a bit could be done to the import process 
however tiddlywiki drag and drop features could also be used to create custom 
drop zones that use an alternate import process. 

I imagined a custom tiddler with say 4 to 6 large table cells with an icon and 
background colour each. An alternate import process for each would provide 
different zones for example standard import, bookmark import, maintain json as 
a tiddler and drop imports with or without title prompts.

This tiddler could be displayed on the background when other tiddlers are 
closed.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: Bookmarks/Favorites

[Jed Carty]

I hadn't considered the effects of just dropping the link onto a wiki. It 
is very easy to hook into the import mechanism and modify behaviour based 
on that, the mechanism is part of the core.

I think that the biggest things to decide would be to decide on how you 
want each entry to look and how you want to annotate the dropped link.
The two options that come to mind is making a generic link name for the 
tiddler, like Link N where N is a number that will make it not overwrite 
any existing tiddlers, or to open it up in a pre-filled input box where you 
can give it a title and tags and whatever else you want.

This sounds useful, I will see what I can put together later today if I 
have time and it is as simple as I think it is.

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[tw5] Re: Bookmarks/Favorites

[David Gifford]

oooh that sounds cool!

On Sunday, April 21, 2019 at 7:09:42 PM UTC-5, TonyM wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> I think there is value in both Dave and Jeds solutions I have being 
> wanting to improve Bookmark capture further. Here are some ideas I intended 
> to play with
>
>
>- If you select a URL in a browser address bar then click and drag you 
>can drop it on a wiki and then import an Untitled tiddler containing both 
>the URL and its descriptive name.
>- Similarly a copy link address on any address in a browser a ctrly-v 
>or paste on a current tiddlywiki will create a Untitled tiddler containing 
>the URL for import.
>- The same can be true on the local computer with links beginning "\\" 
>eg \\host\folder\folder2 (dragged from windows File manager)
>
> So I plan to build a process that identify tiddlers "dropped" or "pasted" 
> whos text field begins http and provides a button to convert them to a 
> bookmark with an appropriate tiddler title.
>
> Something similar may be achievable with the new TiddlyClip as well.
>
>
> Some food for thought
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Sunday, April 21, 2019 at 1:45:20 PM UTC+10, Scott Simmons (Secret-HQ) 
> wrote:
>>
>> Anyone using TiddlyWiki as a replacement for a Web browser's 
>> bookmarks/favorites?
>>
>> In particular, I'm curious if anyone's cooked up a scheme for importing a 
>> bookmarks HTML/XML file to TiddlyWiki as tiddlers and/or exporting to 
>> tiddlers to such a file that could be imported back into the user's browser 
>> of choice.  (There will be differences based on browser, of course, but 
>> this seems like something SOME TiddlyWizard out there has tackled already.)
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Bookmarks/Favorites

[TonyM]

Folks,

I think there is value in both Dave and Jeds solutions I have being wanting 
to improve Bookmark capture further. Here are some ideas I intended to play 
with


   - If you select a URL in a browser address bar then click and drag you 
   can drop it on a wiki and then import an Untitled tiddler containing both 
   the URL and its descriptive name.
   - Similarly a copy link address on any address in a browser a ctrly-v or 
   paste on a current tiddlywiki will create a Untitled tiddler containing the 
   URL for import.
   - The same can be true on the local computer with links beginning "\\" 
   eg \\host\folder\folder2 (dragged from windows File manager)
   
So I plan to build a process that identify tiddlers "dropped" or "pasted" 
whos text field begins http and provides a button to convert them to a 
bookmark with an appropriate tiddler title.

Something similar may be achievable with the new TiddlyClip as well.


Some food for thought

Regards
Tony

On Sunday, April 21, 2019 at 1:45:20 PM UTC+10, Scott Simmons (Secret-HQ) 
wrote:
>
> Anyone using TiddlyWiki as a replacement for a Web browser's 
> bookmarks/favorites?
>
> In particular, I'm curious if anyone's cooked up a scheme for importing a 
> bookmarks HTML/XML file to TiddlyWiki as tiddlers and/or exporting to 
> tiddlers to such a file that could be imported back into the user's browser 
> of choice.  (There will be differences based on browser, of course, but 
> this seems like something SOME TiddlyWizard out there has tackled already.)
>

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[tw5] Re: Bookmarks/Favorites

[Jed Carty]

I made a bookmarks library too, but it may not be as good as Dave's.

https://ooktech.com/TiddlyWiki/Bookmarks/

I briefly looked at what would be necessary to be able to automatically add 
bookmarks to tiddlywiki and didn't get anywhere. From what I remember 
browser security restrictions made it annoying.

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[tw5] Re: Bookmarks/Favorites

[Birthe C]

Hi Scott Simmons,

That would indeed be handy. I remember it discussed before, but I cannot 
remember having seen a solution.

For a long time I have used tiddlyclip to bookmark. I have it ask for a tag 
when I do so. The good part is, that in my wiki I can make comments to my 
tiddler (bookmark).


Birthe

søndag den 21. april 2019 kl. 05.45.20 UTC+2 skrev Scott Simmons 
(Secret-HQ):
>
> Anyone using TiddlyWiki as a replacement for a Web browser's 
> bookmarks/favorites?
>
> In particular, I'm curious if anyone's cooked up a scheme for importing a 
> bookmarks HTML/XML file to TiddlyWiki as tiddlers and/or exporting to 
> tiddlers to such a file that could be imported back into the user's browser 
> of choice.  (There will be differences based on browser, of course, but 
> this seems like something SOME TiddlyWizard out there has tackled already.)
>

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[tw5] Re: Bookmarks/Favorites

[Scott Simmons (Secret-HQ)]

Well, *of course *Dave Gifford has played around with the idea!  

http://giffmex.org/experiments/tidmarks.html

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