Re: [tw] Re: Presenting: G-Comments - a comments feature based on Google Forms

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

Very interesting... - Thank You for the link, Jan :) (and of course, Thank 
You, Mat, for the creation ;-) )

I am toying with several different schemes for displaying both the 
G-Comments input box and the eventual received comments, but haven't got 
anything concrete yet.

--Zaphod 

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Re: [tw] Re: Presenting: G-Comments - a comments feature based on Google Forms

[Jan]

Hi Mat,

(this, at least for the time being, would have to be manually 
administered, until I figure out a safe system for filtering and 
displaying the actual comments that get sent to the Google Form).


I think for this task again Mat had a better solution. Look at the 
community comments on  http://tiddlersidebar.tiddlyspot.com/


Cheers Jan


Am 23.09.2016 um 20:51 schrieb Zaphod Beeblebrox:

Hi, Mat & Jan :)


On Saturday, September 17, 2016 at 3:41:17 AM UTC-4, Mat wrote:

Zaphod, I suspect - but not 100% sure - that it behaves
differently on TWaddle because that uses googles old
version/layout of forms. When I go into edit mode for that form,
google offers med to change to "new forms".

Hopefully Jan will reply to your post and clarify how to control
things.


I'm sure that the change in Google's form is mostly the problem, but 
it still seems impossible to get an iframe that looks like yours on 
TWaddle.
Have there possibly been changes to the iframe specifications between 
TW 5.1.9 and 5.1.13?  That might explain it.



*Jan said:*

Hi Zaphod,
the clipping is tricky. Mat posted a link to his form

(https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfMQSIUToeR5HOVEuQXdsQNqz2ZBu2xWH--9_t6KDVBSqMkww/viewform

)
which helped me a lot to understand how the form should look.
I changed the settings in the stylesheet and the
$:/MetaTabs/Comment
 Form
on slidesnstories.tiddlyspot.com

.
(Described in the tiddler "About this Mod of TWaddle's GComment")
This makes the Iframe scrollable and thus gives you a little more
room. But this is for Tabs, for popups Mats plugin rules...


 Thanks so much for this, Jan :)

I had a look at your re-interpretation of the plugin, and it gave me a 
couple of ideas


1) to maybe take the G-Comment button completely out of the (info 
menu?) and have it within each tiddler's body --probably also using 
your MetaTabs-- so that the widths wouldn't be so much of a problem, and;


2) Using either your MetaTabs or just plain tabs to display the 
comments folks leave about the post (tiddler)
(this, at least for the time being, would have to be manually 
administered, until I figure out a safe system for filtering and 
displaying the actual comments that get sent to the Google Form).


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[tw] Re: Presenting: G-Comments - a comments feature based on Google Forms

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

Hi, Mat & Jan :)


On Saturday, September 17, 2016 at 3:41:17 AM UTC-4, Mat wrote:
>
> Zaphod, I suspect - but not 100% sure - that it behaves differently on 
> TWaddle because that uses googles old version/layout of forms. When I go 
> into edit mode for that form, google offers med to change to "new forms". 
>
> Hopefully Jan will reply to your post and clarify how to control things.
>

I'm sure that the change in Google's form is mostly the problem, but it 
still seems impossible to get an iframe that looks like yours on TWaddle.
Have there possibly been changes to the iframe specifications between TW 
5.1.9 and 5.1.13?  That might explain it.


*Jan said:*

> Hi Zaphod,
> the clipping is tricky. Mat posted a link to his form (
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfMQSIUToeR5HOVEuQXdsQNqz2ZBu2xWH--9_t6KDVBSqMkww/viewform)
>  
> which helped me a lot to understand how the form should look.
> I changed the settings in the stylesheet and the $:/MetaTabs/Comment 
>  Form 
> on slidesnstories.tiddlyspot.com 
> .
>  
> (Described in the tiddler "About this Mod of TWaddle's GComment")
> This makes the Iframe scrollable and thus gives you a little more room. 
> But this is for Tabs, for popups Mats plugin rules...
>

 Thanks so much for this, Jan :)

I had a look at your re-interpretation of the plugin, and it gave me a 
couple of ideas

1) to maybe take the G-Comment button completely out of the (info menu?) 
and have it within each tiddler's body --probably also using your 
MetaTabs-- so that the widths wouldn't be so much of a problem, and;

2) Using either your MetaTabs or just plain tabs to display the comments 
folks leave about the post (tiddler)
(this, at least for the time being, would have to be manually administered, 
until I figure out a safe system for filtering and displaying the actual 
comments that get sent to the Google Form).

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Re: [tw] Re: Presenting: G-Comments - a comments feature based on Google Forms

[Jan]

Hi Zaphod,
the clipping is tricky. Mat posted a link to his form 
(https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfMQSIUToeR5HOVEuQXdsQNqz2ZBu2xWH--9_t6KDVBSqMkww/viewform) 
which helped me a lot to understand how the form should look.
I changed the settings in the stylesheet and the $:/MetaTabs/Comment 
 Form 
on slidesnstories.tiddlyspot.com. (Described in the tiddler "About this 
Mod of TWaddle's GComment")
This makes the Iframe scrollable and thus gives you a little more room. 
But this is for Tabs, for popups Mats plugin rules...


Hope this helps
Jan

About this Mod of TWaddle's GComment

Am 17.09.2016 um 09:41 schrieb Mat:
Zaphod, I suspect - but not 100% sure - that it behaves differently on 
TWaddle because that uses googles old version/layout of forms. When I 
go into edit mode for that form, google offers med to change to "new 
forms".


Hopefully Jan will reply to your post and clarify how to control things.

<:-)
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[tw] Re: Presenting: G-Comments - a comments feature based on Google Forms

[Mat]

Zaphod, I suspect - but not 100% sure - that it behaves differently on 
TWaddle because that uses googles old version/layout of forms. When I go 
into edit mode for that form, google offers med to change to "new forms". 

Hopefully Jan will reply to your post and clarify how to control things.

<:-)

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[tw] Re: Presenting: G-Comments - a comments feature based on Google Forms

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

Hoping that Jan and others might post the results of any experimentation 
they've done with this, as, try as I may, I cannot get the iframe to look 
like it does on TWaddle, and seemingly the slightest changes I make to it 
end in some freakish monstrosity that looks nothing like the original...

On TWaddle, Mat's implementation of it looks great, with a perfectly-sized 
iframe that includes a clearly defined textarea with a scrollbar that 
appears whenever the entered text overflows the box, but when I try to 
recreate it on my TW, the textarea enlarges itself and flows down beneath 
the iframe, eventually taking the Submit button with it, so that you can no 
longer click it to send the comment :(

It's probably something super-simple that I'm missing, but I haven't 
discovered what, yet.

--Zaphod 

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Re: [tw] Re: Presenting: G-Comments - a comments feature based on Google Forms

[Mat]

Eneko

The 
> ​TW ​
> project, does
> ​
>  have enough funding? 
> ​All w
> e can contribute,
> ​ s
> ome with knowledge and time, others with money.
>

We lack infrastructure for "money" too. Not saying there should be one, 
just saying it is not explored territory in a TW context and that the 
current TW community culture rarely touches this matter. Surely the free 
and open source nature of the project influences this. The one occasion 
when I actually paid for TW help unfortunately ended disappointingly (or, 
rather, didn't even start).

<:-)

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Re: [tw] Re: Presenting: G-Comments - a comments feature based on Google Forms

[Eneko Gotzon]

On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 8:48 PM, Mat  wrote:

> the key developer is busy…


The
​TW ​
project, does
​
 have enough funding?
​All w
e can contribute,
​ s
ome with knowledge and time, others with money.

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Re: [tw] Re: Presenting: G-Comments - a comments feature based on Google Forms

[Eneko Gotzon]

​Just beginner and nescient but I dare to say something. ​Sorry if it is a
simplicity.​


On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 6:29 PM, Josiah  wrote:

> dire for suitably marking, collecting and advancing the BEST stuff…


​To
successfully
f
ulfill
​that kind of
 tasks makes projects excellent.

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[tw] Re: Presenting: G-Comments - a comments feature based on Google Forms

[Mat]

Josiah,
 

> This group is very, very good and supportive for ongoing problem solving.
>

In deed. Still, even posting mere replies to stuff - as opposed to 
announcing creations - suffers the same problem; it all drowns quickly, 
possibly never to be resurrected or even found again. That is probably also 
a discouraging factor for potential repliers here.

 

> IMO its dire for suitably marking, collecting and advancing the BEST stuff 
> when its finished & launched.
>

...which in itself should leverage the quality of the TW project.

 

> It may be something about the purpose of here. You can't bully people. 
>

Naw, I'd say it is simply because we have not built a better solution. 
Google groups is superior to no forum/knowledge base at all and better than 
many other options. But it's not really good, for our purposes.

These problems are the absolute main reason why I keep talking about 
TWederation / TW Networks. That would be a key infrastructure that opens up 
for "everything" else. TW variations of "App store", "Wikipedia" etc. 
Unfortunately, TWederation dev is currently passive as the key developer is 
busy with other stuff and the assistant (that's me) is not versed enough in 
the key components in it.

<:-)

>

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[tw] Re: Presenting: G-Comments - a comments feature based on Google Forms

[Josiah]

Mat

SPOT ON. 

This group is very, very good and supportive for ongoing problem solving.

IMO its dire for suitably marking, collecting and advancing the BEST stuff 
when its finished & launched.

It may be something about the purpose of here. You can't bully people. On 
the other hand I'm convinced TW would be more widely used if there were 
some kind of way to get more attention to good finished outputs. Not all 
things are equal. And more attention to finalised stuff with good 
functionality is, IMO, important. (1) to properly acknowledge the work 
someone has done; (2) to get it used by others.

Best wishes
Josiah

On Monday, 12 September 2016 16:35:38 UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>
> @Zaphod
>
> I find it strange that there haven't been more comments and accolades 
>> about this, as I find it to be most incredible and useful, but then again, 
>> I'm finding more and more that TiddlyWiki is truly *a non-linear 
>> personal web notebook.*
>>
>> I think that's why it's so hard to find answers to some questions that 
>> I've had - It's not necessarily that NO ONE has done what I want to do, 
>> it's just that those that have, have done it within their *personal* 
>> TW's and either don't come here and respond, or simply don't share their 
>> knowledge and experience.
>>
>
>
> People keeping stuff for themselves is one problem. Another is that 
> announcements here drown in the discussions, often within 1-2 days, and are 
> not necessarily found again.
>
> These are serious *infrastructure *problems that the TW project surely 
> suffers VERY MUCH from. We lack infrastructure that encourages people to 
> build and share stuff. I would be happy to elaborate if anyone asks me.
>
> <:-)
>
>

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[tw] Re: Presenting: G-Comments - a comments feature based on Google Forms

[Mat]

@Zaphod

I find it strange that there haven't been more comments and accolades about 
> this, as I find it to be most incredible and useful, but then again, I'm 
> finding more and more that TiddlyWiki is truly *a non-linear personal web 
> notebook.*
>
> I think that's why it's so hard to find answers to some questions that 
> I've had - It's not necessarily that NO ONE has done what I want to do, 
> it's just that those that have, have done it within their *personal* TW's 
> and either don't come here and respond, or simply don't share their 
> knowledge and experience.
>


People keeping stuff for themselves is one problem. Another is that 
announcements here drown in the discussions, often within 1-2 days, and are 
not necessarily found again.

These are serious *infrastructure *problems that the TW project surely 
suffers VERY MUCH from. We lack infrastructure that encourages people to 
build and share stuff. I would be happy to elaborate if anyone asks me.

<:-)

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[tw] Re: Presenting: G-Comments - a comments feature based on Google Forms

['Sergey Shishkin' via TiddlyWiki]

!!! :)

воскресенье, 4 сентября 2016 г., 16:33:20 UTC+2 пользователь Mat написал:
>
> @Zaphod Beeblebrox and @Måns
>
>
> Long overdue, I'm happy to officially present G-Comments. It has been used 
> on TWaddle  for a long time and I've 
> promised a proper writeup for it... so here it is:
>
> G-Comments 
>
> It lets any visitor (without registration) add short comments on tiddlers.
>
> It is based on Google's most excellent tool that everyone with a google 
> account has by default; *Google Drive **Forms.* This enables you to 
> easily create online questionnaires but G-Comments takes a form, trims it 
> down and squeezes it into a toolbar popup. All comments are collected 
> automatically into a spreadsheet.
>
> Do please report any errors but I don't intend to *develop* it further. 
> TWederation and TW NetWorks is infinitely more important and will partially 
> cover what G-Comments provides anyway. 
>
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw] Re: Presenting: G-Comments - a comments feature based on Google Forms

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

Well, there are some issues with my Blog and copyright infringement, so 
it'd be best not to publish a 'public' copy of it ;)

But, once it's all finished, I do intend to do a 'generic' version, 
explaining most of the steps I've taken to get it to work, so others might 
get ideas or instruction from it.

I find it strange that there haven't been more comments and accolades about 
this, as I find it to be most incredible and useful, but then again, I'm 
finding more and more that TiddlyWiki is truly *a non-linear personal web 
notebook.*

I think that's why it's so hard to find answers to some questions that I've 
had - It's not necessarily that NO ONE has done what I want to do, it's 
just that those that have, have done it within their *personal* TW's and 
either don't come here and respond, or simply don't share their knowledge 
and experience.

Once again, I'm most thankful and grateful to those like yourself who do 
share freely of their knowledge and experience, so those of us like me can 
gain a better understanding of the inner workings of Jeremy's fantastic 
creation :)

--Zaphod


On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 2:34:14 AM UTC-4, Mat wrote:
>
> Thank You so much, Mat, for this great addon! :)
>>
>> Really good tutorial, also - It only took me about 10 minutes to get it 
>> all set up and functioning.
>>
>
>
> That is very uplifting to hear!!
>
> If it is a public blog, please post a link here so we can see how things 
> work in practice!
>
> <:-)
>
>>

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[tw] Re: Presenting: G-Comments - a comments feature based on Google Forms

[Mat]

On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 12:08:52 PM UTC+2, Josiah wrote:
>
> Ciao Mat
>
> VERY USEFUL. And as far as I know its the first of its type transparently 
> documented, and works.
>

Thanks Josiah. Yeah, it's one of those things that requires detailed 
documentation or your just can't set it up.
 

>
> I think its a really good step.
>
> FYI, my interest is in social networking. And this solves part of the 
> puzzle. The other part is POSTING to social networks, which, in theory is 
> easy (using URI methods), but so far TW hasn't really taken that forward. 
> And I, myself, am incapable of doing the coding needed.
>
> I'm hopeful what you have released will open that "SOCIAL NETWORKING" door 
> more.
>

Who knows. It should be possible to use a Google Drive Spreadsheet as 
backend storage for tiddlers but it's an ambitious project and you'd depend 
on the Google API all the time. Maestro Danielo created "TiddlyDrive" a few 
years back but, if I understand, got frustrated with the constant API 
changes.


<:-)

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[tw] Re: Presenting: G-Comments - a comments feature based on Google Forms

[Josiah]

Ciao Mat

VERY USEFUL. And as far as I know its the first of its type transparently 
documented, and works.

I think its a really good step.

FYI, my interest is in social networking. And this solves part of the 
puzzle. The other part is POSTING to social networks, which, in theory is 
easy (using URI methods), but so far TW hasn't really taken that forward. 
And I, myself, am incapable of doing the coding needed.

I'm hopeful what you have released will open that "SOCIAL NETWORKING" door 
more.

Best wishes
Josiah 

On Sunday, 4 September 2016 16:33:20 UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>
> @Zaphod Beeblebrox and @Måns
>
>
> Long overdue, I'm happy to officially present G-Comments. It has been used 
> on TWaddle  for a long time and I've 
> promised a proper writeup for it... so here it is:
>
> G-Comments 
>
> It lets any visitor (without registration) add short comments on tiddlers.
>
> It is based on Google's most excellent tool that everyone with a google 
> account has by default; *Google Drive **Forms.* This enables you to 
> easily create online questionnaires but G-Comments takes a form, trims it 
> down and squeezes it into a toolbar popup. All comments are collected 
> automatically into a spreadsheet.
>
> Do please report any errors but I don't intend to *develop* it further. 
> TWederation and TW NetWorks is infinitely more important and will partially 
> cover what G-Comments provides anyway. 
>
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw] Re: Presenting: G-Comments - a comments feature based on Google Forms

[Mat]

>
> Thank You so much, Mat, for this great addon! :)
>
> Really good tutorial, also - It only took me about 10 minutes to get it 
> all set up and functioning.
>


That is very uplifting to hear!!

If it is a public blog, please post a link here so we can see how things 
work in practice!

<:-)

>

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[tw] Re: Presenting: G-Comments - a comments feature based on Google Forms

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

Thank You so much, Mat, for this great addon! :)

Really good tutorial, also - It only took me about 10 minutes to get it all 
set up and functioning.

This is something that was missing from TW, that will enable one (well, me, 
at least) to run a totally self-contained 'Blog' that can be 
hosted/stored/archived somewhere and distributed to select users, and now 
receive comments from the users.

Later on I'll tinker with Google Sheets and see about making a "Public" 
spreadsheet to show comments.  I wouldn't want to open up the one that I 
use to receive them in, as rude language or spam might creep in it, so I'd 
have to create another one for the public.

Thanks again :)

--Zaphod


On Sunday, September 4, 2016 at 10:33:20 AM UTC-4, Mat wrote:
>
> @Zaphod Beeblebrox and @Måns
>
>
> Long overdue, I'm happy to officially present G-Comments. It has been used 
> on TWaddle  for a long time and I've 
> promised a proper writeup for it... so here it is:
>
> G-Comments 
>
>

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