[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Mat,

Thanks for clarifying.

Cheers,

Ton

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Mat]

Ton, thanks for your feedback.

1) I don't see a way to cancel the SideEditor (other than using the Save 
> and close button (√))
>

Correct. You can't because you're modifying it *live,* which is what I'm 
after. To cancel would mean there would have to be a second copy of it all 
(like with draft tiddlers). Macros are an exception and do use a second 
temporary copy (because they, unfortunately, *can't* be edited live).
 

> 2) When opened in a new window:
> 2.1) The Save and close button (√) disappeares from the toolbar  
>

Overall, there are intentional slight differences in the menu bar UI 
between the in-wiki editor and the break-out window, because they are 
intended for different uses. But I DID try actually try to include a "Save 
and close" button but didn't get it to work. You can see it in the shadow 
$:/plugins/TWaddle/SideEditor/Window 

 i.e:

[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Mat,

Tried version 2 of your SideEditor at TiddlySpot and love it, especially 
the possiblity of 'Open in a new window'.

A few remarks:

1) I don't see a way to cancel the SideEditor (other than using the Save 
and close button (√))
2) When opened in a new window:
2.1) The Save and close button (√) disappeares from the toolbar  
2.2) Resizing the window (width > 960px) results in
2.2a) Change in layout (centralized with margins > 240px)
2.2b) The toolbar disappears

See attached screenshots

Cheers,

Ton

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Mat]

amreus wrote:
>
>  I somehow managed to push the editor's vertical slider all the way up and 
> now I can't move the editor  back down.  The "handle" is gone and there's 
> nothing to grab as far as I can tell.
>

Ah, I need to deal with that. Meanwhile, you can open 
$:/plugins/TWaddle/SideEditor/Metrics 

 and 
change the "top" field to e.g 50. This is the distance from top, which is 
currently presumably set to 0 in your wiki.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[amreus]

Mat,

Just wanted to show an image about a possible usability issue. I somehow 
managed to push the editor's vertical slider all the way up and now I can't 
move the editor  back down.  The "handle" is gone and there's nothing to 
grab as far as I can tell.

[image: 2020-08-10_181101.png]


On Sunday, August 9, 2020 at 6:35:23 PM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote:

> Mat,
>
> Attached is a sideBar width button, that opens a modal, to allow the 
> SideBar width to be be modified. 
>
> It works well for my usage of Sidebar editor, especially on my widescreen 
> desktop monitors. I share it for two reasons;
>
>- Perhaps you could add it to the sidebar editor window (steal the 
>code or idea) if you want
>- It raises the issue of managing the third Dimension the z-index 
>across tools. 
>   - Do you have a design suggestion for my independent tool so it 
>   does not clash with sidebar editor
>   - Is this one argument for you incorporating the side bar width 
>   feature in Sidebar editor?
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
> On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 2:21:47 AM UTC+10, Mat wrote:
>>
>> *"Yes honey, of course I'll clean the attic... when Mat updates the 
>> SideEditor"*
>>
>> *"Imagine there's no heaven. And no religion too. And that SideEditor is 
>> updated."*
>>
>> *"The SideEditor will be updated. It'll be beautiful. And the Mexicans 
>> will pay for it!"*
>>
>>
>> Well, NO MORE can you mock "updating of SideEditor" or use it for punch 
>> lines! NO MORE!!! Because...
>>
>>
>> SideEditor 2.0 is unleashed! 
>>
>> Version 2 gives an overall superior experience.
>> Especially the hover-to-focus is much improved.
>> And you can edit macros!
>>
>> This is a plugin I rely on *all* the time - be it for writing or TW 
>> development.
>> Try it out.
>>
>> <:-)
>>
>> ...now back to focus on EditorMagic which is also super important.
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[TW Tones]

Mat,

Attached is a sideBar width button, that opens a modal, to allow the 
SideBar width to be be modified. 

It works well for my usage of Sidebar editor, especially on my widescreen 
desktop monitors. I share it for two reasons;

   - Perhaps you could add it to the sidebar editor window (steal the code 
   or idea) if you want
   - It raises the issue of managing the third Dimension the z-index across 
   tools. 
  - Do you have a design suggestion for my independent tool so it does 
  not clash with sidebar editor
  - Is this one argument for you incorporating the side bar width 
  feature in Sidebar editor?
   
Regards
Tones

On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 2:21:47 AM UTC+10, Mat wrote:
>
> *"Yes honey, of course I'll clean the attic... when Mat updates the 
> SideEditor"*
>
> *"Imagine there's no heaven. And no religion too. And that SideEditor is 
> updated."*
>
> *"The SideEditor will be updated. It'll be beautiful. And the Mexicans 
> will pay for it!"*
>
>
> Well, NO MORE can you mock "updating of SideEditor" or use it for punch 
> lines! NO MORE!!! Because...
>
>
> SideEditor 2.0 is unleashed! 
>
> Version 2 gives an overall superior experience.
> Especially the hover-to-focus is much improved.
> And you can edit macros!
>
> This is a plugin I rely on *all* the time - be it for writing or TW 
> development.
> Try it out.
>
> <:-)
>
> ...now back to focus on EditorMagic which is also super important.
>
>

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sideBar-width.json
Description: application/json

[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Mat]

amreus wrote:
>
> I too am still using SideEditor - quick and convenient. I like the recent 
> addition of the "toolbar" and buttons.  
>

(sssh, it ain't public yet)

I am experimenting with styles in TW and I think SideEditor is over-riding 
> my stylesheet. Can you confirm? 
>

You're right! And I found the bug. Will make (not announced) release 
tonight but if you're in a hurry: At bottom of  
$:/plugins/TWaddle/SideEditor/Window/Stylesheet  (circa fourth row from 
bottom) I mistakenly have included a  tag. If it is removed, things 
work.

Thank you very much for reporting.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[amreus]

I too am still using SideEditor - quick and convenient. I like the recent 
addition of the "toolbar" and buttons.  

I am experimenting with styles in TW and I think SideEditor is over-riding 
my stylesheet. Can you confirm?  I made a sandbox site here:

http://beach.tiddlyspot.com 

It is a version 5.1.22 empty other than SideEditor and a Stylesheet.

Thanks

On Tuesday, July 21, 2020 at 3:54:34 AM UTC-4 Mat wrote:

> Jon wrote:
>>
>> After using SideEditor for a week or so, it's now my default method - 
>> really useful!
>>
>
> Happy to hear that!
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Mat]

Jon wrote:
>
> After using SideEditor for a week or so, it's now my default method - 
> really useful!
>

Happy to hear that!

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Jon]

Hi Mat,

After using SideEditor for a week or so, it's now my default method - 
really useful!

Thanks
Jon

On Sunday, 19 July 2020 21:22:17 UTC+1, Mat wrote:
>
> amreus wrote:
>>
>> I somewhat accidentally found http://j.d.fullscreen.tiddlyspot.com/ 
>> which, when preview is turned on, is about what I pictured making.  
>>
>
> Oh, I have not seen that! 
>
> On a side note, there appears to be many, many existing solutions for TW. 
>> How on earth are we supposed to find them?
>>
>
> Hopefully someone like, for example, you will come up with a good solution 
> for it... it is a HUGE problem for the community. Various attempts have 
> been made but it is IMO not solved in a satisfactory way yet.
>
> <:-) 
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Mat]

amreus wrote:
>
> I somewhat accidentally found http://j.d.fullscreen.tiddlyspot.com/ 
> which, when preview is turned on, is about what I pictured making.  
>

Oh, I have not seen that! 

On a side note, there appears to be many, many existing solutions for TW. 
> How on earth are we supposed to find them?
>

Hopefully someone like, for example, you will come up with a good solution 
for it... it is a HUGE problem for the community. Various attempts have 
been made but it is IMO not solved in a satisfactory way yet.

<:-) 

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[amreus]

Thanks for reply and eplaination.

I somewhat accidentally found http://j.d.fullscreen.tiddlyspot.com/ which, 
when preview is turned on, is about what I pictured making.  

On a side note, there appears to be many, many existing solutions for TW. 
How on earth are we supposed to find them?



On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 4:48:51 PM UTC-4, Mat wrote:

> @amreus
> Thanks for feedback, I appreciate it even if what you request would be a 
> very different plugin as I'll explain. So, just maybe you should fiddle 
> with a separate version after all! :-)
>
> I don't like the hover feature.  
>
>
> The very hovering is a main thing because I wanted it to be super easy to 
> flip between the things. One could imagine some kind of clickable area that 
> brings things into view but that would require a very different mechanism. 
> The hovering is purely CSS based whereas clicking likely would be in 
> wikitext (or JS).
>  
> Wit that said, I can mention that I am considering an "open in new window" 
> feature for the editor, i.e a button that splits out the editor, somewhat 
> like rQuickTid . (I also have very 
> vague ideas about merging the two, to make it possible to create new 
> tiddlers via the SideEditor).
>
> It's too difficult  not to trigger the sidebar when going for the Check 
>> button, which is too small. 
>
>
> I can agree with this. I should probably make the check button bigger. 
> Possibly add some transparent margin around also to prevent mis-hovering.
>
>
> I would just prefer to have the editor cover the sidebar stuff. 
>
>
> One downside then, at least on a 14" screen like mine or smaller, is that 
> you can't(?) have an editor that is wider than the sidebar. Maybe you have 
> a bigger screen. But I recall someone putting an editor in one of the 
> sidebar tabs. Can't remember who or the name of the plugin if there ever 
> was one. Possibly it was Mohammad... not sure.
>  
>
>> Then clicking anywhere off the editor textarea would close it, or perhaps 
>> the Escape key could close it also. Other than that, it's a very nice 
>> enhancement. 
>
>
>  I didn't experiment with key commands yet but again, it's not really for 
> CSS which is the key "mechanism" in SideEditor. 
>
> Since you did consider building your own thing, please feel free to mess 
> around with the SideEditor. Or any other thing I've made for that matter. 
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Mat]

@Birthe

> First time I heard about SideEditor was in Twaddle, and at that time it 
> was already a plugin. I remember quite clearly, because it was a turning 
> point for me playing with CSS ;-)
>

I started looking into CSS after someone on the forum, maybe around 2010, 
said something along "...you should learn CSS, then you can really do 
powerful things in TW". It has proven to be true. Even if, presumably, JS 
is even more powerful but it has other limitations.
 

> I do not know if this had something to do with it, but you have had some 
> versions of your tiddlyspot set up wiki with SideEditor in it. I remember 
> due to having had a small problem with it one time.
>

Yes the SideEditor quickly became ubiquitous for me. As I just noted in 
another thread, I don't understand how people use TW - and especially 
develop in TW - without something that shows their modifications right 
away. ...or maybe it is possible to hook up external editors (because 
that's what assume people use) and have them update the view mode tiddler 
IRL somehow..?


Jon and Mat,
> Admit it is kind of funny that it turned out to be SideEditor no matter 
> the origin ;-D
>

Yeah, after all that searching. But as Jon indicates, it might have been 
something "user added".

<:-) 

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Jon]

I think it could have been something that escaped from your laboratory, Mat.

But don't worry, although I've had to move it out of my current wiki, it 
will live on in my previous backups.

Regards
Jon

On Thursday, 16 July 2020 18:12:27 UTC+1, Birthe C wrote:
>
> Mat,
>
> First time I heard about SideEditor was in Twaddle, and at that time it 
> was already a plugin. I remember quite clearly, because it was a turning 
> point for me playing with CSS ;-)
>
> I do not know if this had something to do with it, but you have had some 
> versions of your tiddlyspot set up wiki with SideEditor in it. I remember 
> due to having had a small problem with it one time.
>
> Jon and Mat,
> Admit it is kind of funny that it turned out to be SideEditor no matter 
> the origin ;-D
>
> Birthe
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Birthe C]

Mat,

First time I heard about SideEditor was in Twaddle, and at that time it was 
already a plugin. I remember quite clearly, because it was a turning point 
for me playing with CSS ;-)

I do not know if this had something to do with it, but you have had some 
versions of your tiddlyspot set up wiki with SideEditor in it. I remember 
due to having had a small problem with it one time.

Jon and Mat,
Admit it is kind of funny that it turned out to be SideEditor no matter the 
origin ;-D

Birthe

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Mat]

@Jon

Aha, good catch! I have no recollection of a separate tiddler named such so 
I'd think it is something much older, even before the version that was 
before version2. Or, considering it is not a system tiddler i.e not 
prefixed $:/, maybe it is some customizations someone (you, someone else, 
I?) has made to test something. Regardless, good you found it!

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Jon]

Hi Mat,

I searched for 'Style' to see what else would come up and found a tiddler 
called 'SideEditor' with details below:

created 20150601094857763 
creator Mat 
modified 20150611060903666 
modifier Mat 
tags $:/tags/Macro $:/tags/PageTemplate 
title SideEditor 
tmap.id 87d8d047-cc02-4e76-be6e-e28658136027
Once deleted, everything worked fine.

Was this the previous incarnation, perhaps not part of a plug-in?

Regards
Jon



On Thursday, 16 July 2020 08:06:52 UTC+1, Jon wrote:
>
> Mat - found the problem.
>
> Will report back later.
>
>
> On Thursday, 16 July 2020 07:51:38 UTC+1, Jon wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mat,
>>
>> Yes, only have the SideEditor plug-in installed.
>>
>> As I mentioned, SideEditor works fine in another wiki I have, but not in 
>> this one.
>>
>> So, I copied the 'faulty' wiki and followed your instructions testing 
>> each time.
>>
>> This is what is left:
>>
>> <>
>>
>> $:/themes/tiddlywiki/snowwhite/base
>> $:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/base
>> $:/plugins/TWaddle/SideEditor/Stylesheet
>>
>> Overridden Shadow Tiddlers:
>>
>> $:/config/AutoSave
>> $:/SiteSubtitle
>> $:/temp/advancedsearch 
>>
>> 

[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Jon]

Mat - found the problem.

Will report back later.


On Thursday, 16 July 2020 07:51:38 UTC+1, Jon wrote:
>
> Hi Mat,
>
> Yes, only have the SideEditor plug-in installed.
>
> As I mentioned, SideEditor works fine in another wiki I have, but not in 
> this one.
>
> So, I copied the 'faulty' wiki and followed your instructions testing each 
> time.
>
> This is what is left:
>
> <>
>
> $:/themes/tiddlywiki/snowwhite/base
> $:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/base
> $:/plugins/TWaddle/SideEditor/Stylesheet
>
> Overridden Shadow Tiddlers:
>
> $:/config/AutoSave
> $:/SiteSubtitle
> $:/temp/advancedsearch 
>
> 

[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Jon]

Hi Mat,

Yes, only have the SideEditor plug-in installed.

As I mentioned, SideEditor works fine in another wiki I have, but not in 
this one.

So, I copied the 'faulty' wiki and followed your instructions testing each 
time.

This is what is left:

<>

$:/themes/tiddlywiki/snowwhite/base
$:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/base
$:/plugins/TWaddle/SideEditor/Stylesheet

Overridden Shadow Tiddlers:

$:/config/AutoSave
$:/SiteSubtitle
$:/temp/advancedsearch 

[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Mat]

@Jon, 
If I understand you right, you thus *only *have the SideEditor plugin 
installed. Here are some tests:

*1)* So, it can be a separate stylesheet that is not part of a plugin. You 
can list all stylesheets by typing <> to get a tag 
button which, when clicked, shows all stylesheets. 
The first thing to look at is which, if any, stylesheets are listed *below *the 
 
$:/plugins/TWaddle/SideEditor/Stylesheet (the lower down the list the 
higher priority conflicting css has, assuming the css instruction is 
written in the exact same way). 
IF there are stylesheets below that SideEditor stylesheet, it would be good 
if you reported them here.
*1b)* The next test is to, inside that tag dropdown, drag'n drop SideEditor 
stylehseet to the bottom of the list and test if this makes the SideEditor 
perform correctly.

*2)* If that still doesn't do it, you can check for any overwritten core 
tiddlers by going to Ctrlpanel > Info > Basics ...and at very bottom click 
on the magnifying glass. You could try to delete any such tiddlers (which 
will *restore* them to their original shadow tiddler). Test SideEditor 
after each deletion and if try to remember which one it was you deleted so 
you know who's the culprit, and if you feel it is relevant then report your 
finding here.

*3)* There may also be locally defined "style blocks" somewhere, i.e not 
full stylesheets. These can be located by doing an advanced search for: 

[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Jon]

Hi Mat,

copied wiki, deleted all plugins apart from core.

Searched for anything SideEditor related in advanced search and deleted 
that. 

Saved & refreshed and then re-installed SideEditor but same problem, so it 
must be something to do with my wiki but what I've no idea!

Regards
Jon

On Wednesday, 15 July 2020 19:07:21 UTC+1, Mat wrote:
>
> @Jon, OK, that's a longish list of plugins to it's nothing I can test 
> directly, so yes please, do copy your wiki and show me as you propose.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Mat]

@Jon, OK, that's a longish list of plugins to it's nothing I can test 
directly, so yes please, do copy your wiki and show me as you propose.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Jon]

Hi Mat,

Yes, I had disabled them rather than remove them. So given what you've 
said, I've removed those and the ones left are:

When I get time, I'll copy the wiki, and remove all the plugins. If it 
doesn't work then, it must be something else.

Favourites
Highlight-searched-text
encryptTiddler
2click2edit
ContextPlugin
Tiddlymap
Visjs (for above)
commander
pinboard
refnotes
SocialCalc
tw5-checklist
Menu Bar
Appear
TabLinks
Uni-link

Regards
Jon

On Tuesday, 14 July 2020 21:52:40 UTC+1, Mat wrote:
>
> @Jon
>
> may I ask which plugins you had installed? And when you say you disabled 
> them, did you delete them or merely click disable? I'm not really sure what 
> clicking disable does and I can imagine that, particularly, stylesheets are 
> still affecting things. 
> But again, which plugins did/do you have installed, if you don't mind me 
> asking?
>
> And it's not Stroll by any chance? Which was just updated for this reason.
>
> Thanks
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Mat]

@Jon

may I ask which plugins you had installed? And when you say you disabled 
them, did you delete them or merely click disable? I'm not really sure what 
clicking disable does and I can imagine that, particularly, stylesheets are 
still affecting things. 
But again, which plugins did/do you have installed, if you don't mind me 
asking?

And it's not Stroll by any chance? Which was just updated for this reason.

Thanks

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Mat]

@amreus
Thanks for feedback, I appreciate it even if what you request would be a 
very different plugin as I'll explain. So, just maybe you should fiddle 
with a separate version after all! :-)

I don't like the hover feature.  


The very hovering is a main thing because I wanted it to be super easy to 
flip between the things. One could imagine some kind of clickable area that 
brings things into view but that would require a very different mechanism. 
The hovering is purely CSS based whereas clicking likely would be in 
wikitext (or JS).
 
Wit that said, I can mention that I am considering an "open in new window" 
feature for the editor, i.e a button that splits out the editor, somewhat 
like rQuickTid . (I also have very vague 
ideas about merging the two, to make it possible to create new tiddlers via 
the SideEditor).

It's too difficult  not to trigger the sidebar when going for the Check 
> button, which is too small. 


I can agree with this. I should probably make the check button bigger. 
Possibly add some transparent margin around also to prevent mis-hovering.


I would just prefer to have the editor cover the sidebar stuff. 


One downside then, at least on a 14" screen like mine or smaller, is that 
you can't(?) have an editor that is wider than the sidebar. Maybe you have 
a bigger screen. But I recall someone putting an editor in one of the 
sidebar tabs. Can't remember who or the name of the plugin if there ever 
was one. Possibly it was Mohammad... not sure.
 

> Then clicking anywhere off the editor textarea would close it, or perhaps 
> the Escape key could close it also. Other than that, it's a very nice 
> enhancement. 


 I didn't experiment with key commands yet but again, it's not really for 
CSS which is the key "mechanism" in SideEditor. 

Since you did consider building your own thing, please feel free to mess 
around with the SideEditor. Or any other thing I've made for that matter. 

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Jon]

Hi Mat,

I don't have this plug-in and the SideEditor didn't work in my main wiki 
after I disabled all my plug-ins (but does work in another wiki).
So must be something else.

Regards
Jon

On Tuesday, 14 July 2020 14:37:47 UTC+1, _Phi / hpx1 wrote:
>
> nice catch ! it fixed the 'compatibility' issue for me. Thank you very 
> much.
>
> On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 3:17:30 PM UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>>
>> errata:
>>  
>>
>>> Just go to TOCgeneric's stylesheet 
>>> 
>>>  and 
>>> remove one single curly brace from the end of the *title*.
>>
>>
>> should read "...from the end of the *text*"
>>
>> <:-)
>>
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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[amreus]

Thank you for this - I was thinking of something similar recently but since 
you have made it, and better than I ever could, I hope you don't mind some 
comments from the peanut gallery..


I don't like the hover feature.  It's too difficult  not to trigger the 
sidebar when going for the Check button, which is too small. I would just 
prefer to have the editor cover the sidebar stuff.  Then clicking anywhere 
off the editor textarea would close it, or perhaps the Escape key could 
close it also. Other than that, it's a very nice enhancement. 





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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Mat]

Update: SideEditor 2.0.5 

Again cosmetics, but still worth updating for I'd say.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[_Phi / hpx1]

nice catch ! it fixed the 'compatibility' issue for me. Thank you very much.

On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 3:17:30 PM UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>
> errata:
>  
>
>> Just go to TOCgeneric's stylesheet 
>> 
>>  and 
>> remove one single curly brace from the end of the *title*.
>
>
> should read "...from the end of the *text*"
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Mat]

errata:
 

> Just go to TOCgeneric's stylesheet 
> 
>  and 
> remove one single curly brace from the end of the *title*.


should read "...from the end of the *text*"

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Mat]

@Phi and probably @Jon (it is not clear if you, Jon, are also using the 
TOCgneric that Phi refers to above)

 _Phi / hpx1 wrote:
>
> on my end, SideEditor 2.03 is not compatible with TOCgeneric 2.1.0 (
> https://hchaase.github.io/HC-Plugins/).
>

It turns out that TOCgeneric has an extra curly brace at the very end of 
its stylesheet 
which
 
messes up things. He is using very powerful specificity inside his media 
prints which overruns other stuff. I would expect this to cause more 
problems than only for SideEditor. Anyway, unless fellow HCHaace corrects 
this, you can easily do it yourself. Just go to TOCgeneric's stylesheet 

 
and remove one single curly brace from the end of the title.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[si]

>
> I changed the it for a more snappy behaviour, i.e instead of having to 
> click twice to change the SideEditor content for antoher tiddlers content, 
> you now do it with one click. Not good?
>

Ah yes - I don't normally swap editors like that so I didn't notice.

You're right that is better.

On Monday, 13 July 2020 17:00:49 UTC+1, Mat wrote:
>
> si, happy to hear you like the SideEditor
>
> One thing: It seems you can no longer close the editor by clicking on the 
>> arrow again, and instead have to click the checkmark. Was there a reason 
>> you changed this?
>>
>
> You're right. I changed the it for a more snappy behaviour, i.e instead of 
> having to click twice to change the SideEditor content for antoher tiddlers 
> content, you now do it with one click. Not good?
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Mat]

si, happy to hear you like the SideEditor

One thing: It seems you can no longer close the editor by clicking on the 
> arrow again, and instead have to click the checkmark. Was there a reason 
> you changed this?
>

You're right. I changed the it for a more snappy behaviour, i.e instead of 
having to click twice to change the SideEditor content for antoher tiddlers 
content, you now do it with one click. Not good?

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[si]

Thanks Mat I'm glad to see this update - I use SideEditor all the time.

One thing: It seems you can no longer close the editor by clicking on the 
arrow again, and instead have to click the checkmark. Was there a reason 
you changed this?

On Monday, 13 July 2020 10:17:50 UTC+1, Mat wrote:
>
> Update SideEditor 2.0.4 
>
> Only minor cosmetic updates.
>
> @_Phi , @Jon
>
> on my end, SideEditor 2.03 is not compatible with TOCgeneric 2.1.0 (
>> https://hchaase.github.io/HC-Plugins/).
>>
>
> I can confirm this. That TOCgeneric plugin has some serious sh*t overrides 
> going on - it even overrides when I use this:
>
> #sideeditor {display:none !important;}
>
> ...and the SideEditor stylesheet is after the TOCgeneric stylesheet in the 
> stylesheet orders (meaning: SideEditor should have the last "say").
>
> I have no idea how TOCgeneric does that.
> @hchaase ? - I believe this clash is totally from your side. Please look 
> over your plugin.
>
> I will need to investigate this more deeply but can't say when.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Mat]

Update SideEditor 2.0.4 

Only minor cosmetic updates.

@_Phi , @Jon

on my end, SideEditor 2.03 is not compatible with TOCgeneric 2.1.0 (
> https://hchaase.github.io/HC-Plugins/).
>

I can confirm this. That TOCgeneric plugin has some serious sh*t overrides 
going on - it even overrides when I use this:

#sideeditor {display:none !important;}

...and the SideEditor stylesheet is after the TOCgeneric stylesheet in the 
stylesheet orders (meaning: SideEditor should have the last "say").

I have no idea how TOCgeneric does that.
@hchaase ? - I believe this clash is totally from your side. Please look 
over your plugin.

I will need to investigate this more deeply but can't say when.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[_Phi / hpx1]

Hi,

on my end, SideEditor 2.03 is not compatible with TOCgeneric 2.1.0 
(https://hchaase.github.io/HC-Plugins/).
When both plugins are activated, I have the same issues as John :

   - I can resize the editor, input text and validate.
   - I can not close the editor.
   - the checkmark remains gray, no hover effect on the icon.
   - hovering over the sidebar doesn't work either.


once I disable HCHaase's TOCgeneric, SideEditor *works as intended 
*(TiddlyDesktop 
& FF 77.0.1, TW5 NodeJS).
Anyone can confirm ?

I don't have the knowledge to investigate the problem but maybe it can help 
someone else ?

Anyway, thanks for the nice plugin.

Ph.


On Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 6:21:47 PM UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>
> *"Yes honey, of course I'll clean the attic... when Mat updates the 
> SideEditor"*
>
> *"Imagine there's no heaven. And no religion too. And that SideEditor is 
> updated."*
>
> *"The SideEditor will be updated. It'll be beautiful. And the Mexicans 
> will pay for it!"*
>
>
> Well, NO MORE can you mock "updating of SideEditor" or use it for punch 
> lines! NO MORE!!! Because...
>
>
> SideEditor 2.0 is unleashed! 
>
> Version 2 gives an overall superior experience.
> Especially the hover-to-focus is much improved.
> And you can edit macros!
>
> This is a plugin I rely on *all* the time - be it for writing or TW 
> development.
> Try it out.
>
> <:-)
>
> ...now back to focus on EditorMagic which is also super important.
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Jon]

Hi Mat,

I uninstalled then did advanced search for anything sideeditor-related and 
deleted those, then re-installed. 

Different behaviour this time but not working properly so must be clashing 
with something my end - not to worry, I'll wait for version 2.1.

With regard to the resize corner - it does do something, it alters the 
width of the box so I think worth keeping. It would be good to be able to 
alter the height of the box as well, if possible.

Regards
Jon

On Saturday, 11 July 2020 13:06:31 UTC+1, Mat wrote:
>
> clutterstack wrote:
>>
>> OK, I can use both the "bars" to move and resize the field now -- I don't 
>> think I could see the bottom one before; or perhaps I was not very 
>> observant. There's a standard-looking "corner" resize handle on the textbox 
>> that doesn't do anything in FF or Safari on my Mac, but now I'm questioning 
>> whether it's supposed to, because the other two handles seem to suffice.
>>
>
> Good obvservation. I'll remove the default field resize corner in the next 
> update, as it doesn't do anything. I'll also add tooltips to the SideEditor 
> resize handles to make it clearer what they are... not that you asked for 
> that but anyway ;-)
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Mat]

clutterstack wrote:
>
> OK, I can use both the "bars" to move and resize the field now -- I don't 
> think I could see the bottom one before; or perhaps I was not very 
> observant. There's a standard-looking "corner" resize handle on the textbox 
> that doesn't do anything in FF or Safari on my Mac, but now I'm questioning 
> whether it's supposed to, because the other two handles seem to suffice.
>

Good obvservation. I'll remove the default field resize corner in the next 
update, as it doesn't do anything. I'll also add tooltips to the SideEditor 
resize handles to make it clearer what they are... not that you asked for 
that but anyway ;-)

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[clutterstack]

OK, I can use both the "bars" to move and resize the field now -- I don't 
think I could see the bottom one before; or perhaps I was not very 
observant. There's a standard-looking "corner" resize handle on the textbox 
that doesn't do anything in FF or Safari on my Mac, but now I'm questioning 
whether it's supposed to, because the other two handles seem to suffice.

On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 10:36:03 AM UTC-4, Mat wrote:
>
> Update SideEditor 2.0.3 
>
>
> @clutterstock and @Jon - thanks for reporting. I hope to have solved those 
> issues now. (@Jon, if I didn't - what browser are you using?)
>
> @Birthe - thanks for your kind words! Good to hear about your computer. I 
> had to get a new one just two months ago. As noted, they last 1.5 years, 
> it's like a clockwork and I've just come to accept it as part of life. 
> Change laptop every 1.5 years, change socks every 1.5 months - I'm sure 
> it's the same for everyone.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Saq Imtiaz]

I think it's one of the advantages of packaging as a plugin, installing the new 
version automatically removes everything added by the previous version.

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Mat]

Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> @Mat maybe provide the code for a button that deletes all tiddlers from 
> the previous version. Users can then install the plugin version after that.
>

Yeah, that's a good idea... Can't help but wonder why this is not a common 
problem with plugins?

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Saq Imtiaz]

@Mat maybe provide the code for a button that deletes all tiddlers from the 
previous version. Users can then install the plugin version after that.

On Thursday, July 9, 2020 at 12:24:51 AM UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>
> @History Buff and @Jon
>
> Hm, maybe there are leftovers from the old plugin. If the checkmark is 
> instead showing as an arrow, that's a strong indication (because where 
> would the arrow otherwise come from). So do the following to clean out 
> anything old:
>
> Under Ctrlpanel > plugins> SideEditor - open the "contents" tab
> See if there are any tiddlers that are "slim", i.e not in *bold* font. 
> The "metrics" tiddler is no problem if it is "not bold" but all other 
> tiddlers should be in bold. If there is any such tiddler, i.e in not-bold, 
> then open it and delete it (which will restore the original and updated 
> shadow tiddler).
>
> Also, just to make sure, you can also "clean out" any temporary tiddlers 
> you have that this plugin uses, i.e these two:
>
> $:/temp/SideEditor/macrotext
> $:/state/sideeditor
>
> i.e delete these if you find them.
>
> Please report back here.
>
> Thanks.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[History Buff]

After thinking about what you just mentioned, I tried installing it again 
only after I had uninstalled the old version and checking for those two you 
said could be deleted. That fixed the problem. Obviously something was 
leftover. Thanks for the advice.

Damon

On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 3:24:51 PM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>
> @History Buff and @Jon
>
> Hm, maybe there are leftovers from the old plugin. If the checkmark is 
> instead showing as an arrow, that's a strong indication (because where 
> would the arrow otherwise come from). So do the following to clean out 
> anything old:
>
> Under Ctrlpanel > plugins> SideEditor - open the "contents" tab
> See if there are any tiddlers that are "slim", i.e not in *bold* font. 
> The "metrics" tiddler is no problem if it is "not bold" but all other 
> tiddlers should be in bold. If there is any such tiddler, i.e in not-bold, 
> then open it and delete it (which will restore the original and updated 
> shadow tiddler).
>
> Also, just to make sure, you can also "clean out" any temporary tiddlers 
> you have that this plugin uses, i.e these two:
>
> $:/temp/SideEditor/macrotext
> $:/state/sideeditor
>
> i.e delete these if you find them.
>
> Please report back here.
>
> Thanks.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Mat]

@History Buff and @Jon

Hm, maybe there are leftovers from the old plugin. If the checkmark is 
instead showing as an arrow, that's a strong indication (because where 
would the arrow otherwise come from). So do the following to clean out 
anything old:

Under Ctrlpanel > plugins> SideEditor - open the "contents" tab
See if there are any tiddlers that are "slim", i.e not in *bold* font. The 
"metrics" tiddler is no problem if it is "not bold" but all other tiddlers 
should be in bold. If there is any such tiddler, i.e in not-bold, then open 
it and delete it (which will restore the original and updated shadow 
tiddler).

Also, just to make sure, you can also "clean out" any temporary tiddlers 
you have that this plugin uses, i.e these two:

$:/temp/SideEditor/macrotext
$:/state/sideeditor

i.e delete these if you find them.

Please report back here.

Thanks.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[History Buff]

Hi Mat,

I've been using SideEditor for a long time and love it! 

I attempted to upgrade, but am having an issue where the checkmark for save 
edits doesn't appear, but there is a right going arrow instead. When I 
click it, the tiddler text that I had entered disappears, but there is a 
window with $:/plugins/Twaddle/SideEditor/Button showing instead of the 
tiddler that I was trying to edit. There is still no checkmark, just a 
right arrow which does nothing. I cannot close the SideEditor when this 
happens. There may be something in my wiki that's causing it, but I'm not 
sure. I've tried it in two different wikis with the same result.

Damon

On Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 9:21:47 AM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>
> *"Yes honey, of course I'll clean the attic... when Mat updates the 
> SideEditor"*
>
> *"Imagine there's no heaven. And no religion too. And that SideEditor is 
> updated."*
>
> *"The SideEditor will be updated. It'll be beautiful. And the Mexicans 
> will pay for it!"*
>
>
> Well, NO MORE can you mock "updating of SideEditor" or use it for punch 
> lines! NO MORE!!! Because...
>
>
> SideEditor 2.0 is unleashed! 
>
> Version 2 gives an overall superior experience.
> Especially the hover-to-focus is much improved.
> And you can edit macros!
>
> This is a plugin I rely on *all* the time - be it for writing or TW 
> development.
> Try it out.
>
> <:-)
>
> ...now back to focus on EditorMagic which is also super important.
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Jon]

Hi Mat,

disabled all the plugins in my main wiki and unfortunately, it still shows 
the same behaviour - so I've no idea what it could be.

It's a shame I won't be able to take advantage of your superior offerings.

Regards
Jon

On Wednesday, 8 July 2020 17:11:57 UTC+1, Jon wrote:
>
> Hi Saq/Mat,
>
> Yes, it works fine on another wiki I have - I'll try and see what's 
> causing the clash.
>
> Regards
> Jon
>
> On Wednesday, 8 July 2020 16:39:44 UTC+1, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>> @Jon try it on an empty TiddlyWiki to ensure that it isn't just a clash 
>> with something else in your wiki.
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Jon]

Hi Saq/Mat,

Yes, it works fine on another wiki I have - I'll try and see what's causing 
the clash.

Regards
Jon

On Wednesday, 8 July 2020 16:39:44 UTC+1, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> @Jon try it on an empty TiddlyWiki to ensure that it isn't just a clash 
> with something else in your wiki.

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Saq Imtiaz]

@Jon try it on an empty TiddlyWiki to ensure that it isn't just a clash with 
something else in your wiki.

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Jon]

Hi Mat,

installed the latest update but no change I'm afraid (using Firefox - 
latest version)

Regards
Jon

On Wednesday, 8 July 2020 15:36:03 UTC+1, Mat wrote:
>
> Update SideEditor 2.0.3 
>
>
> @clutterstock and @Jon - thanks for reporting. I hope to have solved those 
> issues now. (@Jon, if I didn't - what browser are you using?)
>
> @Birthe - thanks for your kind words! Good to hear about your computer. I 
> had to get a new one just two months ago. As noted, they last 1.5 years, 
> it's like a clockwork and I've just come to accept it as part of life. 
> Change laptop every 1.5 years, change socks every 1.5 months - I'm sure 
> it's the same for everyone.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Mat]

Ste Wilson wrote:
>
> Growls at Mat and goes to clean the attic...


;-)

Make sure you got the latest update that I just released.

<:-) 

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Mat]

Update SideEditor 2.0.3 


@clutterstock and @Jon - thanks for reporting. I hope to have solved those 
issues now. (@Jon, if I didn't - what browser are you using?)

@Birthe - thanks for your kind words! Good to hear about your computer. I 
had to get a new one just two months ago. As noted, they last 1.5 years, 
it's like a clockwork and I've just come to accept it as part of life. 
Change laptop every 1.5 years, change socks every 1.5 months - I'm sure 
it's the same for everyone.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Ste Wilson]

Growls at Mat and goes to clean the attic... 

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Jon]

Hi Mat,

Some teething problems.

When I installed it, "Type the text for the tiddler 'no' " appears in the 
side editor and the tick mark to close the box isn't visible (so no way to 
close it) and the hover doesn't work.

I've disabled it and reenabled it a few times but always with the same 
result.

Perhaps I've got something which is interfering with it.

Looks like the attic might have to wait for a bit.

Regards
Jon




On Tuesday, 7 July 2020 17:21:47 UTC+1, Mat wrote:
>
> *"Yes honey, of course I'll clean the attic... when Mat updates the 
> SideEditor"*
>
> *"Imagine there's no heaven. And no religion too. And that SideEditor is 
> updated."*
>
> *"The SideEditor will be updated. It'll be beautiful. And the Mexicans 
> will pay for it!"*
>
>
> Well, NO MORE can you mock "updating of SideEditor" or use it for punch 
> lines! NO MORE!!! Because...
>
>
> SideEditor 2.0 is unleashed! 
>
> Version 2 gives an overall superior experience.
> Especially the hover-to-focus is much improved.
> And you can edit macros!
>
> This is a plugin I rely on *all* the time - be it for writing or TW 
> development.
> Try it out.
>
> <:-)
>
> ...now back to focus on EditorMagic which is also super important.
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[clutterstack]

Very cute. 

Just a note: I can't quite reach the resize handle on Firefox or Safari for 
MacOS. I can activate the drag thingy at the top, even though on Firefox 
not all of it shows.

Chris

On Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 12:21:47 PM UTC-4, Mat wrote:
>
> *"Yes honey, of course I'll clean the attic... when Mat updates the 
> SideEditor"*
>
> *"Imagine there's no heaven. And no religion too. And that SideEditor is 
> updated."*
>
> *"The SideEditor will be updated. It'll be beautiful. And the Mexicans 
> will pay for it!"*
>
>
> Well, NO MORE can you mock "updating of SideEditor" or use it for punch 
> lines! NO MORE!!! Because...
>
>
> SideEditor 2.0 is unleashed! 
>
> Version 2 gives an overall superior experience.
> Especially the hover-to-focus is much improved.
> And you can edit macros!
>
> This is a plugin I rely on *all* the time - be it for writing or TW 
> development.
> Try it out.
>
> <:-)
>
> ...now back to focus on EditorMagic which is also super important.
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Birthe C]

Mat,

Great humour and the latest and greatest SideEditor. It might be, that 
"Diamonds Are a Girl's Best Friend", mature women want SideEditor.  
No wonder you are going through laptops on a yearly basis ;-)

Do you remember the old laptop I found when buying a bag (summer 2016), it 
is still going strong, it has only been running around the clock all that 
time.

Birthe

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SideEditor 2.0 - A live editor floating by the river side...

[Jon]

It certainly is beautiful - thanks Mat!
Regards
Jon

On Tuesday, 7 July 2020 17:21:47 UTC+1, Mat wrote:
>
> *"Yes honey, of course I'll clean the attic... when Mat updates the 
> SideEditor"*
>
> *"Imagine there's no heaven. And no religion too. And that SideEditor is 
> updated."*
>
> *"The SideEditor will be updated. It'll be beautiful. And the Mexicans 
> will pay for it!"*
>
>
> Well, NO MORE can you mock "updating of SideEditor" or use it for punch 
> lines! NO MORE!!! Because...
>
>
> SideEditor 2.0 is unleashed! 
>
> Version 2 gives an overall superior experience.
> Especially the hover-to-focus is much improved.
> And you can edit macros!
>
> This is a plugin I rely on *all* the time - be it for writing or TW 
> development.
> Try it out.
>
> <:-)
>
> ...now back to focus on EditorMagic which is also super important.
>
>

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