Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 10 Mhz out success.

2014-12-04 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Alex wrote: The OCXO in the TBolt beats the Morion parts by a wide margin. Bob in what way dies it? phase noise ? harmonics? standalone frequency stability? Yes, all of those (specifically referring to the Trimble p/n 37265 OCXO used in the later Tbolts that we usually see as surplus).

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 10 Mhz out success.

2014-12-04 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On Dec 3, 2014, at 9:34 PM, Alex Pummer a...@pcscons.com wrote: The OCXO in the TBolt beats the Morion parts by a wide margin. In the context of the message that was a reply to; Phase noise Bob Bob in what way dies it? phase noise ? harmonics? standalone frequency

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 10 Mhz out success.

2014-12-04 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Of course the point I made is not as useful as it might be.There are a ton of Morions out there and very few Trimble OCXO’s outside of TBolts. I doubt anybody is going to scrap out a working TBolt for it’s OCXO :). Once you get them surplus, there is no reason to believe the Trimble parts

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 10 Mhz out success.

2014-12-04 Thread Ulrich Rhode via time-nuts
Any more details on this ? Ulrich In a message dated 12/4/2014 7:36:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, kb...@n1k.org writes: Hi On Dec 3, 2014, at 9:34 PM, Alex Pummer a...@pcscons.com wrote: The OCXO in the TBolt beats the Morion parts by a wide margin. In the context of the

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 10 Mhz out success.

2014-12-04 Thread paul swed
Ulrich, I think my threads been taken over again. I keep writing about modifications to the KS-24361 and the thread takes off in wild directions about other things like Morion oscillators and TBolts. I believe your question is to Bob perhaps on 1/f noise? Regards Paul WB8TSL On Thu, Dec 4, 2014

[time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 10 Mhz out success.

2014-12-03 Thread paul swed
Have successfully tapped into the clean 10 MHz of the the Lucent and using a EL2020 50 Mhz current opamp have a very nice 10 Mhz sine wave out. Any spurs are down at least 43 db. Close in at 4Khz total span or 500 Hz/div I don't see anything down to at least 65 db. Thats the best detail the HP

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 10 Mhz out success.

2014-12-03 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Be careful when you do this. A signal with harmonics 20 db down and sub-harmonics 30 db down will make a fine reference input for a counter / signal generator / spectrum analyzer. A signal with a 1 second ADEV of 5x10^-10 will look absolutely perfect on any spectrum analyzer ever made. It

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 10 Mhz out success.

2014-12-03 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Am 04.12.2014 um 00:04 schrieb paul swed: Have successfully tapped into the clean 10 MHz of the the Lucent and using a EL2020 50 Mhz current opamp have a very nice 10 Mhz sine wave out. Any spurs are down at least 43 db. Close in at 4Khz total span or 500 Hz/div I don't see anything down to at

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 10 Mhz out success.

2014-12-03 Thread paul swed
Bob I agree with your comments. For the test gear on the bench this will be very fine. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 7:40 PM, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote: Hi Be careful when you do this. A signal with harmonics 20 db down and sub-harmonics 30 db down will make a fine

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 10 Mhz out success.

2014-12-03 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On Dec 3, 2014, at 7:33 PM, Gerhard Hoffmann dk...@arcor.de wrote: Am 04.12.2014 um 00:04 schrieb paul swed: Have successfully tapped into the clean 10 MHz of the the Lucent and using a EL2020 50 Mhz current opamp have a very nice 10 Mhz sine wave out. Any spurs are down at least 43 db.

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 10 Mhz out success.

2014-12-03 Thread paul swed
On the output of the crystal oscillator you will want to buffer it and then do whatever you like. Its a sine wave and as I recall of fair level several volts. I did see a bit of distortion on the sine wave. It can be obtained at J8 the unpopulated jack. Now back to putting it in its case. Regards

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 10 Mhz out success.

2014-12-03 Thread David I. Emery
On Wed, Dec 03, 2014 at 08:46:58PM -0500, Bob Camp wrote: But it seems that Morion rulez, noise-wise. The OCXO in the TBolt beats the Morion parts by a wide margin. That implies all Tbolts have the same OCXO... is that actually true of most of the surplus ones ? Weren't there

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 10 Mhz out success.

2014-12-03 Thread Bob Camp
Hi For phase noise, they all are quite good, the newer ones are a bit better. For ADEV and wander, the newer (post 2002) parts are the better bet. Bob On Dec 3, 2014, at 8:50 PM, David I. Emery d...@dieconsulting.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 03, 2014 at 08:46:58PM -0500, Bob Camp wrote: But

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 10 Mhz out success.

2014-12-03 Thread Bob Camp
Hi So how does the 5 MHz get into the FPGA and / or CPU? In order to discipline the OCXO and to generate the PPS, there must be a path. If that path is independent of the 15 MHz (or 15 and 10) multiplier(s) then you have a lot of things you can do. If either of the existing multipliers need

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 10 Mhz out success.

2014-12-03 Thread Doug Ronald
as to exactly where to pick off a nice 5 MHz sine wave? Thanks, -Doug R. -Original Message- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of paul swed Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 3:05 PM To: Time-nuts Subject: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 10 Mhz out success. Have

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 10 Mhz out success.

2014-12-03 Thread Anthony Roby
Paul - could you elaborate on where you made the connections? A few photos perhaps? Nice work, Anthony -Original Message- On Dec 3, 2014, at 6:04 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Have successfully tapped into the clean 10 MHz of the the Lucent and using a EL2020 50 Mhz

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 10 Mhz out success.

2014-12-03 Thread Alex Pummer
The OCXO in the TBolt beats the Morion parts by a wide margin. Bob in what way dies it? phase noise ? harmonics? standalone frequency stability? 73 Alex ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 10 Mhz out success.

2014-12-03 Thread paul swed
] On Behalf Of paul swed Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 3:05 PM To: Time-nuts Subject: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 10 Mhz out success. Have successfully tapped into the clean 10 MHz of the the Lucent and using a EL2020 50 Mhz current opamp have a very nice 10 Mhz sine wave out. Any spurs are down

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 10 Mhz out success.

2014-12-03 Thread paul swed
: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 3:05 PM To: Time-nuts Subject: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 10 Mhz out success. Have successfully tapped into the clean 10 MHz of the the Lucent and using a EL2020 50 Mhz current opamp have a very nice 10 Mhz sine wave out. Any spurs are down at least 43 db. Close

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 10 Mhz out success.

2014-12-03 Thread paul swed
as to exactly where to pick off a nice 5 MHz sine wave? Thanks, -Doug R. -Original Message- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of paul swed Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 3:05 PM To: Time-nuts Subject: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 10 Mhz out success. Have