Re: [time-nuts] DDS'ery narrow scoped.

2011-07-21 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 21/06/11 12:48, Luis Cupido wrote: Yes that right. Is clear that I would have a 10ns jitter, So the catch would be to find a scheme to spread spurs out or to push them away from carrier. Then they would not bother me (would not pass the PLL). You want to consider a phase-accumulator with a

Re: [time-nuts] DDS'ery narrow scoped.

2011-07-21 Thread Luis Cupido
Magnus, It crossed my mind of messing somehow with the phase accumulator metrics but did not figure a way... that is a good suggestion I will investigate in that direction... (or maybe... if you do have a bit of free time to drop me a couple of lines more, could you please detail a bit more as

Re: [time-nuts] DDS'ery narrow scoped.

2011-07-21 Thread Magnus Danielson
Dear Luis, On 07/21/2011 05:30 PM, Luis Cupido wrote: Magnus, It crossed my mind of messing somehow with the phase accumulator metrics but did not figure a way... that is a good suggestion I will investigate in that direction... (or maybe... if you do have a bit of free time to drop me a

Re: [time-nuts] DDS'ery narrow scoped.

2011-07-21 Thread dk4xp
IMHO, that would require a sine table with a steerable number of entries. Very problematic for a tunable DDS, but doable for a fixed frequency application, although address mirroring for ROM size reduction would require real address comparators instead just using the 2 MSBs as a selector. The

[time-nuts] 50:50 duty from a PRS10

2011-07-21 Thread ExpertEngineer
Hello, I have a PRS10 rubidium which gives a 1pps output. The output is a 10 us positive pulse. I need to convert that to a 50:50 duty cycle pulse. Still 1pps. I'm hoping for a simple circuit rather than having to use a pic. I don't mind a bit of propagation delay, but I need to preserve

Re: [time-nuts] DDS'ery narrow scoped.

2011-07-21 Thread Luis Cupido
Gerhard. This was an old thing I asked a month ago or so... Only the MSB of the accumulator is used to serve as reference to a pll. No sin or DAC involved ;-) Luis Cupido. ct1dmk On 7/21/2011 6:10 PM, dk...@arcor.de wrote: IMHO, that would require a sine table with a steerable number of

Re: [time-nuts] 50:50 duty from a PRS10

2011-07-21 Thread Chris Albertson
How close to 50% duty cycle do you need. is 0.50 good enough or do you need 0.5 ? If all you need is 15% accuracy a 555 timer set up to make a 0.5 second pulse would work but if you need better, then maybe a phase lock loop with a much higher than 1Hz oscillator and then you divide that

Re: [time-nuts] DDS'ery narrow scoped.

2011-07-21 Thread ehydra
Your algorithm looks very much like the solution to the problem how to find divider values in a rf receiver having a very low IF and *not* full length divider chains for dividing all the needed reference frequencies. So how to find two values connected. Interesting. - Henry --

Re: [time-nuts] DDS'ery narrow scoped.

2011-07-21 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 07/21/2011 07:10 PM, dk...@arcor.de wrote: IMHO, that would require a sine table with a steerable number of entries. Very problematic for a tunable DDS, but doable for a fixed frequency application, although address mirroring for ROM size reduction would require real address comparators

Re: [time-nuts] 50:50 duty from a PRS10

2011-07-21 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 07/21/2011 07:48 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: How close to 50% duty cycle do you need. is 0.50 good enough or do you need 0.5 ? If all you need is 15% accuracy a 555 timer set up to make a 0.5 second pulse would work but if you need better, then maybe a phase lock loop with a much

Re: [time-nuts] 50:50 duty from a PRS10

2011-07-21 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Chris wrote: How close to 50% duty cycle do you need. is 0.50 good enough or do you need 0.5 ? If all you need is 15% accuracy a 555 timer set up to make a 0.5 second pulse would work but if you need better, then maybe a phase lock loop with a much higher than 1Hz oscillator and then

Re: [time-nuts] DDS'ery narrow scoped.

2011-07-21 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 07/21/2011 08:44 PM, Jim Lux wrote: On 7/21/11 8:30 AM, Luis Cupido wrote: Magnus, It crossed my mind of messing somehow with the phase accumulator metrics but did not figure a way... that is a good suggestion I will investigate in that direction... (or maybe... if you do have a bit of free

Re: [time-nuts] 50:50 duty from a PRS10

2011-07-21 Thread Chris Albertson
The PRS-10 already has a 10 MHz output locked to the 1 pps.  Just count the 10 MHz. I was working only with the information in the post that said only a PPS was available. I was wondering how one would even use a PIC. But if you have 10MHz then divide that down to 2Hz with decade counters.

[time-nuts] Spectracom 8170

2011-07-21 Thread Shaun Merrigan
Fellow Time-Nuts, Since LORAN is now gone in North America, I needed a backup to GPS (belt and suspenders man, me). I recently acquired a working Spectracom 8170 thus: http://flic.kr/p/a4CYww Using my ex-LORAN antenna (LF Engineering L-400B) it syncs in about 10 minutes. Shaun

Re: [time-nuts] 50:50 duty from a PRS10

2011-07-21 Thread Dave M
Hello, I have a PRS10 rubidium which gives a 1pps output. The output is a 10 us positive pulse. I need to convert that to a 50:50 duty cycle pulse. Still 1pps. I'm hoping for a simple circuit rather than having to use a pic. I don't mind a bit of propagation delay, but I need to preserve

[time-nuts] Spectracom and Austron

2011-07-21 Thread Shaun Merrigan
So the next step is to power up an Austron 2042 using the 1 Mhz o/p from the Spectracom 8170, thus: http://www.flickr.com/photos/acme-laboratories/5948373640/ Shaun M. No Regret (Since 1996) ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] The future of UTC

2011-07-21 Thread Heathkid
I live at 39° 57' 46 N and I absolutely HATE DST! Yes, Indiana... we haven't had DST for too long. It's bad and I hope some day we go back to not having it. - Original Message - From: Rob Kimberley r...@timing-consultants.com To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency

[time-nuts] Spectrcom 8170 Reloaded

2011-07-21 Thread Shaun Merrigan
Last step is to let the Austrons (2100R and 2100F) lock to the new LORAN inputs thus: http://www.flickr.com/photos/acme-laboratories/5947818627/ and the 2100R: http://www.flickr.com/photos/acme-laboratories/5963265512/ Shaun M No Regret (Since 1996)