[time-nuts] GPS Usage

2011-03-08 Thread J. Forster
This is a surprise: in reality more than 90 percent of the users of GPS worldwide use it primarily for a timing reference. That makes the LORAN shutdown look even more idiotiuc! -John == Copied from http://www.gpsworld.com/defense/gps-insights-april-2007-8428: I

[time-nuts] N. Korea jammed GPS signal in S. Korea

2011-03-06 Thread J. Forster
N. Korea jammed GPS signal in S. Korea, say reports The disruption allegedly caused malfunction in mobile phones SEOUL — North Korea is responsible for the disruption of GPS signals in some part of South Korea's capital region last week that caused malfunctions in mobile phones, media reports

Re: [time-nuts] pulling oscillators

2011-03-05 Thread J. Forster
Capacitively couple a Varactor (or back biased diode) to the circuit and vary the diode bias to tune. -John Hello all: I've developed a need for pulling crystal oscillators built in to pll circuits. These are cmos, and have the common style oscillator circuit built in. The

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Filter

2011-03-04 Thread J. Forster
I'm not so sure. A filter ahead of a preamp significantly increases the system Noise Temperature. GPS signals are weak and link margins are small. The receiver preamps are already very low noise. I'd think that a narrow filter might well drive up the systen NF to the point it'd be useless.

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Filter

2011-03-04 Thread J. Forster
for me. Regards - Mike Mike B. Feher, EOZ Inc. 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell, NJ, 07731 732-886-5960 office 908-902-3831 cell -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of J. Forster Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 8:47 PM

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Filter

2011-03-04 Thread J. Forster
-5960 office 908-902-3831 cell -Original Message- From: J. Forster [mailto:j...@quik.com] Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 9:09 PM To: Mike Feher Cc: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: RE: [time-nuts] GPS Filter Preamps with NFs under 0.5 dB are available

Re: [time-nuts] SR620 calibration

2011-02-27 Thread J. Forster
And the schematics? I've tried without success. Repairing hardware w/o schematics is pretty tough. -John === Regarding the SR620 counters, I must have missed something It seems to me that SRS is providing about as much support as Tek or Agilent. All three offer PDF manuals and

Re: [time-nuts] pts 160 power problem

2011-02-25 Thread J. Forster
Look for a shorted Tantalum decoupling capacitor on the DC power line(s). -John = hi i recently bought a pts160. when first turned on, the 5v was pulled quite low: 3v. after an hour or so, the condition cured, the 5v = 5.1v and the output matched the decades. then, it

Re: [time-nuts] AD-YU Electronics Precision Phase Meter Type 406L

2011-02-25 Thread J. Forster
AFAIK there are no groups for that unit. AD-YU is pretty much an orphan, although the meters are fairly common. Try BAMA and Dave at ArtekMedia. FWIW, -John === AD-YU Electronics Precision Phase Meter Type 406L Has anyone got an instruction manual or service manual? I have the

[time-nuts] Fwd: [armyradios] OT: Photos of New Zealand Earthquake

2011-02-25 Thread J. Forster
From another list. The pics are really something! -John = Original Message Subject: [armyradios] OT: Photos of New Zealand earthquake From:David McLendon k4bdj2...@gmail.com Date:Fri, February 25, 2011 3:16 pm

Re: [time-nuts] pts 160 power problem

2011-02-25 Thread J. Forster
That depends on the phase of the moon and your religion. Sometimes low-ESR aluminum; other times good Tantalums (150D or CS-13s) No two people agree on this issue. -John == thanks everyone. i found a cache of tantalum caps in the output amp module. also, there isn't any

[time-nuts] OT: FS. SETI Radio Astronomy Ground Station

2011-02-24 Thread J. Forster
From another list, -John = Original Message Subject: Re: For Sale Ground station. From:Rachel Tortolini dr.rtortol...@gmail.com Date:Thu, February 24, 2011 8:07 pm

Re: [time-nuts] SR-620 cal

2011-02-23 Thread J. Forster
Stanford Research is a rip-off any way you turn. Their support ethic is just crap. YMMV, -John Hi guys, need some help with a cal on my SR-620 counter. In frequency measurement mode the unit always has an offset of up to +/-2E-010 after auto-cal when feeding the same

Re: [time-nuts] SR-620 cal

2011-02-23 Thread J. Forster
The point is that SRS customer support is a sham. It might be OK for a Fortune 100 customer or National Lab, but they clearly do not want or care about support for anybody else. If their attitude is screw you, I believe in returning the favor. Companies like HP generally make most support

Re: [time-nuts] SR-620 cal

2011-02-23 Thread J. Forster
product lines they have something here and something else over there. Very hard to train people on. That's not to excuse any of this, it just is not a big surprise. Bob On Feb 23, 2011, at 8:13 PM, J. Forster wrote: The point is that SRS customer support is a sham. It might be OK

Re: [time-nuts] SR-620 cal

2011-02-23 Thread J. Forster
to high costs and trouble on the balance sheet. Bob On Feb 23, 2011, at 9:11 PM, J. Forster wrote: Sorry Bob, That does not wash. They already have HC manuals with schematics. Dave at ArtekMedia is small too. If he can scan a manual and put it on-line for $25, so can SRS. And SRS probably

Re: [time-nuts] SRS PRS10 problem

2011-02-22 Thread J. Forster
, Laurence Motteram -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of J. Forster Sent: Friday, 18 February 2011 8:11 AM To: shali...@gmail.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] SRS PRS10 problem

Re: [time-nuts] Tool Needed to Access my Timer Battery

2011-02-17 Thread J. Forster
$12 inflation. -John = hate say it. Time for the $3 timex On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Bill S w...@jbpet.com wrote: As an aside to the watch repair business, a large number of brands primarily Swiss, will no longer supply parts to watchmakers. This has become a big

Re: [time-nuts] SRS PRS10 problem

2011-02-17 Thread J. Forster
I've had such blowoffs from SRS, simply asking for a schematic of an old power supply. Uncooperative and unhelpful is a total understatement. I will never buy any of their stuff again. I simply don't care if it is the best in the world (which it is probably not the case), if the documentation and

Re: [time-nuts] SRS PRS10 problem

2011-02-17 Thread J. Forster
, not the pdfs). Regards, Laurence Motteram -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of J. Forster Sent: Friday, 18 February 2011 8:11 AM To: shali...@gmail.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject

Re: [time-nuts] Tool Needed to Access my Timer Battery

2011-02-16 Thread J. Forster
AHA! The English system triumphs over that Metric nonsense. My Rolex stopped working about 20 years ago. OTOH, my $12 Timex analog quartz still works fine I think. At least it was working when I misplaced it a year ago. Since then, I've discovered I really don't need to know time to much

Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared ...

2011-02-09 Thread J. Forster
Well, isn't that just so SPECIAL! I'm sure terrorists and other bad guys will comply fully. This makes about as much sense as ECAP to stop snooping on cell calls. YMMV, -John == From a news release issued by the FCC today: The FCC Enforcement Bureau today announced new

Re: [time-nuts] HP 654A Manual

2011-02-06 Thread J. Forster
Artek is a very reliable and helpful outfit. -John == Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 19:14:07 -0600 From: Dave M dgmin...@mediacombb.net Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP 654A Manual To: time-nuts@febo.com Message-ID: F5FA4565B87547A893E7D4EAC1AA1F83@D77M7BF1 Content-Type: text/plain;

Re: [time-nuts] [volt-nuts] Check out my photos on Facebook

2011-02-05 Thread J. Forster
Here is a contact in the Facebook abuse department: Kirill Popov kpopo...@fb.com -John === A good way to post photos etc is with Dropbox. You get 2 GB free. Once you install their small unobtrusive application, you can open the Dropbox (online) folder in Windows File

Re: [time-nuts] HP 654A Manual

2011-02-05 Thread J. Forster
Try the following: Agilent site BAMA ArtekMedia.com -John Greetings TimeNuts Does anyone know where I can find a manual for a HP 654A Distortion Analyzer. Thanks for any help. Gordon WA4FJC ___ time-nuts mailing list

Re: [time-nuts] Check out my photos on Facebook

2011-02-04 Thread J. Forster
Facebook SPAM is NOT APPRECIATED. -John = Hi Time-nuts, I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my pictures, videos and events and I want to add you as a friend so you can see it. First, you need to join Facebook! Once you join, you can also create your own

Re: [time-nuts] Check out my photos on Facebook

2011-02-04 Thread J. Forster
Facebook is obnoxious. Yahoo Groups work quite well, if setup and moderated properly. I own and/or moderate more than 20 of them with many thousands of members. -John Yeah, I've avoided facebook thus far and this is not going to be sufficient to entice me. If you only post

Re: [time-nuts] Check out my photos on Facebook

2011-02-04 Thread J. Forster
Hal, This is not the first time this has happened. Apparently, when you sign up for FB there is some non-obvious (purposely misleading, IMO) opt-out step that prevents FB access to your Address Book. The default is full access. The spam message will be repeated several times in the next month or

Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared has been given the goahead

2011-02-02 Thread J. Forster
Most GPS users care about position, not time. -John === Chris wrote: A notch filter can also be constructed to notch out the jammer if it is out of band. A twin T design might be effective and low cost Unfortunately, unless the interfering carrier is much too far away to be

Re: [time-nuts] Mass vs BTU Function

2011-01-27 Thread J. Forster
The heat capacity of an object is the Heat Capacity = M * Cp M = Mass Cp = Specific Heat (at constant pressure) M = Vol * SG SG = Specific Gravity ( = density/density of water) So, Heat Capacity = Vol * SG * Cp If you want to know how much heat is required to change tempo: Heat = Vol * SG *

Re: [time-nuts] Mass vs BTU Function

2011-01-27 Thread J. Forster
If you want the thermal mass to behave close to an isothermal body, diffusivity is very important. For example, a large mass of still water has high heat capacity, but poor diffusivity. Much of the heat capacity is useless. -John == At 04:18 PM 1/27/2011, J. Forster wrote

Re: [time-nuts] Mass vs BTU Function

2011-01-27 Thread J. Forster
I got the Thermal Diffusivity definition upside down. -John = At 05:33 PM 1/27/2011, J. Forster wrote... If you want the thermal mass to behave close to an isothermal body, diffusivity is very important. For example, a large mass of still water has high heat capacity, but poor

Re: [time-nuts] Completely OT: Removing electrolytics of leakingcapacitors from a pcb

2011-01-19 Thread J. Forster
It strips paint real good too! -John == Dishwasher and Calgon - Bob Pease reckons it works a treat to remove polar contaminants. Dave -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Ulrich Bangert Sent: 19 January

Re: [time-nuts] CS reservoir depletion

2011-01-16 Thread J. Forster
The vials are commonly broken in vaccuo with a magnet and steel plunger. -John === Hi Magnus, From: Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org As you can see on page 28 vials remains untouched till everythings are in place and else broken. No, do read at page 27 first. There

Re: [time-nuts] CS reservoir depletion

2011-01-16 Thread J. Forster
What interested me was the beam collimator. I'd thought the beam would be collimated and small diameter like a LASER, but the setup clearly is to produve a beam of Cs maybe 1 to 1.5 inches in diameter. -John = On 01/16/2011 04:38 PM, Jean-Louis Noel wrote: Hi Magnus, From:

Re: [time-nuts] Large Qty HP C-Beam Tubes available

2011-01-15 Thread J. Forster
I doubt the shipping issue is really problematic. The amount of Cs is so small and so well contained it presents no real hazzard. If you want to be on the safe side, pack the tubes really well and ship them UPS or FedEx Ground. FWIW, -John = Greg- I, for one would be very

Re: [time-nuts] Large Qty HP C-Beam Tubes available

2011-01-15 Thread J. Forster
Yes. If they are on a plane too long, the time will be off a bit. Einstein predicted that and Bob Pound measured it. :) Look, I suggested ground because virtually anything can be shipped that way, up to and including BW and CW agents and nukes. A spec of Cs is not an issue. -John

Re: [time-nuts] Large Qty HP C-Beam Tubes available

2011-01-15 Thread J. Forster
. The pressure changes are always something to consider. I put a lot of camping gear in ammo cases. You can always tell which cases seal because they are a bugger to open after a trip from the mountains. --Original Message-- From: J. Forster To: li...@lazygranch.com Cc: Discussion of precise

[time-nuts] LORAN Simulator Manual

2011-01-15 Thread J. Forster
Apparently, some of the earlier SS LORAN simulators were capable of simulating both LORAN-A and LORAN-C. If anybody has the manual for such a unit, please email me off-list. I'd very much like a scan of the output stage schematic for the LORAN-A function. Thanks, -John ===

Re: [time-nuts] CS reservoir depletion

2011-01-14 Thread J. Forster
In your dreams. There was a very nice HP Cs there a few years ago, but it had a properety tag that I recognized. I knew that unit had a known bad Cs tube, as I seen it at a company surplus sale a month before, but that didn't stop the guy hawking it as working for well over $5K. Caveat Emptor!!

Re: [time-nuts] CS reservoir depletion

2011-01-14 Thread J. Forster
Tang was a WMD (Weapon of Massive Disgust) in and of itself. -John On Jan 14, 2011, at 1:45 PM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi Well that crosses off any discussion of Tang as a breakfast drink (You would indeed need to be fairly old to remember the TV commercials

Re: [time-nuts] CS reservoir depletion

2011-01-14 Thread J. Forster
I used to perform Rb/Sr geochronology wet bench chemistry in college. Rb-87 has a half-life on the order of ~48.8 billion years. Several multiples of the estimated age of the universe. The potassium-40 in your own body is a much greater threat, followed by C-14, and various natural

Re: [time-nuts] CS reservoir depletion

2011-01-13 Thread J. Forster
As I said last go-round, I think the chances of rebuilding an HP Cs tube are slim to none. BUT, if you were really dedicated, I think you could build up the physics package from pretty much standard stuff, like the Kimball Physics gun parts and Conflat SS vacuum hardware, etc. Check Duniway.

Re: [time-nuts] CS reservoir depletion

2011-01-13 Thread J. Forster
than an H MASER, but not by much. Certainly a Rb is easier. -John == On 13/01/11 17:24, J. Forster wrote: As I said last go-round, I think the chances of rebuilding an HP Cs tube are slim to none. BUT, if you were really dedicated, I think you could build up the physics package

Re: [time-nuts] CS reservoir depletion

2011-01-13 Thread J. Forster
or just use an existing vapor container from an old unit. Of course if it was totally scratch built, I'd still just buy the right isotope. -Bob On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Rick Karlquist rich...@karlquist.comwrote: J. Forster wrote: I'd imagine building a Cs unit might be a bit easier

Re: [time-nuts] CS reservoir depletion

2011-01-13 Thread J. Forster
Not to mention radio calcium in your bones. -John = To start with, Rb-87 has a half-life of 4,88E+10 years with negative beta-decay, i.e. an electron. It has been judged very hard to accumulate any large amounts of it in the body to build up to a unsafe dosage... you would pee

Re: [time-nuts] CS reservoir depletion

2011-01-13 Thread J. Forster
My glassblowing friends say that it's just a matter of getting comfortable with the oxyhydrogen torch (with a colorless flame). If you can work with Pyrex and a oxyPropane, it's easier. They all say that this is a basic life skill that everyone should have. Yeah, sure. There seems to be a

Re: [time-nuts] CS reservoir depletion

2011-01-13 Thread J. Forster
Magnus, That's a very interesting paper. It has some interesting stuff on the vacuum techniuque that's needed for Rb or more for Cs. Do you know if anybody has actually built / is selling a Rb with a diode light source, rather than the bulb? Best, -John It seems like

Re: [time-nuts] Simulating LORAN-A GRI Timing Generator

2011-01-08 Thread J. Forster
John, On 08/01/11 05:04, J. Forster wrote: Magnus, See my post of a few minutes ago. The GRI and Delay counters need to be 5 decimal digits. My current thinking is manual entry of the numbers via BCD coded thumbwheel switches. If you only need a static location that will be fine

[time-nuts] [Fwd: Re: Simulating LORAN-A GRI Timing Generator]

2011-01-08 Thread J. Forster
Pondering some more on this, doing some calculations (spread-sheets) the actual scheme emerge... the range of 0 to 7 is not selected by accident. The base pulse repetition rate is 30 ms, 40 ms and 50 ms. The pulse repetition rate modifiers modifies the repetition rate by -100 us per step. It

Re: [time-nuts] Simulating LORAN-A GRI Timing Generator

2011-01-08 Thread J. Forster
Loran c was complicated by the fact that there were phase reversals in the patterns that had to be emulated it doubled the size of the code. But to answer your question John its all done in simple readable basic language. Think of it as a endless loop pattern. The real trick is using a good

Re: [time-nuts] Simulating LORAN-A GRI Timing Generator

2011-01-08 Thread J. Forster
Paul, I see none on the prints. It may have been used on later receiver designs. Thanks, -John = The goniometer that I remember was to allow a controlled phase change for measurments. It was inside the rcvr. ___ time-nuts mailing

Re: [time-nuts] [Fwd: Re: Simulating LORAN-A GRI Timing Generator]

2011-01-08 Thread J. Forster
John, On 08/01/11 16:08, J. Forster wrote: Pondering some more on this, doing some calculations (spread-sheets) the actual scheme emerge... the range of 0 to 7 is not selected by accident. I had essentially the same spread sheet... However, how would you be able to achieve simplicity

Re: [time-nuts] [Fwd: Re: Simulating LORAN-A GRI Timing Generator]

2011-01-08 Thread J. Forster
:08, J. Forster wrote: Pondering some more on this, doing some calculations (spread-sheets) the actual scheme emerge... the range of 0 to 7 is not selected by accident. I had essentially the same spread sheet... However, how would you be able to achieve simplicity of design by being true

Re: [time-nuts] Simulating LORAN-A GRI Timing Generator

2011-01-08 Thread J. Forster
That's just about what I want to do. Best, -John John, Quoting J. Forster j...@quik.com: The GRI and Delay counters need to be 5 decimal digits. My current thinking is manual entry of the numbers via BCD coded thumbwheel switches. More than thirty years ago

[time-nuts] LORAN-A GRI Timing Generator

2011-01-07 Thread J. Forster
I'm designing a simulator for LORAN-A... YES, LORAN-A. It needs about 24 different GRIs from roughly 50,000 uS to 30,000 uS. Rounded to integers, the GRIs come out to something like 49,407 uS. Does anybody have any simple ideas for generating such a signal. For simplicity, I'd like to use a

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-A GRI Timing Generator

2011-01-07 Thread J. Forster
Battleship Massachusetts has one, right near you. -John = Loran A wow. That is indeed ancient. Did you find a old receiver or what that you are tinkering with? Regards Paul On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 5:28 PM, J. Forster j...@quik.com wrote: I just got to thinking a few minutes

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-A GRI Timing Generator

2011-01-07 Thread J. Forster
It's in the Chart Room. The ship is always looking for technical help, BTW. Yes, -John === I know it reasonably well. Though I don't think I ever saw that. But its a heck of a ship. Are you trying to hot it back up? On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 5:37 PM, J. Forster j...@quik.com

[time-nuts] Simulating LORAN-A GRI Timing Generator

2011-01-07 Thread J. Forster
I'm looking at building a LORAN-A simulator to run a vintage display. I used to design stuff with gates and counters by hand, and can still do so, but it's tedious. Does anyboby know of any freeware that can be used to draw up logic and simulate its operation, including propagation delays? I

Re: [time-nuts] Simulating LORAN-A GRI Timing Generator

2011-01-07 Thread J. Forster
. Currently I plan only one Slave, but a second would be an easy addition. -John == On 08/01/11 03:28, J. Forster wrote: I'm looking at building a LORAN-A simulator to run a vintage display. Hmm. Generating blips programmed in repetition rate and delay as steps of a 10 MHz clock

Re: [time-nuts] Simulating LORAN-A GRI Timing Generator

2011-01-07 Thread J. Forster
...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: On 08/01/11 03:28, J. Forster wrote: I'm looking at building a LORAN-A simulator to run a vintage display. Hmm. Generating blips programmed in repetition rate and delay as steps of a 10 MHz clock should be sufficient and fairly straight forward. A lower clock

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Tracor 599 VLF Receiver Manual

2011-01-05 Thread J. Forster
It's OMEGA not LORAN. Try FairRadio or Google for it. OMEGA was in the 10-25 KHz region. LORAN-C was 100 KHz. WWVB is 60 KHz. You might be better off starting from scratch. Best, -John === Subject: Looking for Tracor 599 VLF Receiver Manual I have acquired a Tracor Series 599

Re: [time-nuts] Wide angle light into ST connector/multimode fiber?

2011-01-04 Thread J. Forster
Negative lens and microscope objwective. -John === I want to get light from a wide angle (30 degrees or so) into a multimode fiber cable to feed a fast MF466 photodiode for short distance sensing. That fiber is really small to focus on. Anyone done this...looking at a

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Rustrak Strip Chart Recorder

2011-01-03 Thread J. Forster
Yes and MultiChannel Analyzers too. Not to mention NIM and CAMAC. -John = Ahem. Some of us collect *scintillation counters*. [?] Anybody have a working cesium fountain? On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Robert Atkinson robert8...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: Hi Antonio, Time

Re: [time-nuts] Problems with Garmin - maybe we should cut them a little slack

2010-12-31 Thread J. Forster
My concern is a major industrril building complex and all the visitors that get missdirected to the wrong end of a long road every day. -John === Maybe we should cut these cartographers a little slack. When you consider that Garmin will sell you a map update of the entire

Re: [time-nuts] Problems with Garmin - maybe we should cut them a little slack

2010-12-31 Thread J. Forster
Well, I won't rant back at you, Dick, but your expectations are way off base. GPS cartographers have to designate billions (yes, billions) of addresses and the fact that they miss a few scarcely justifies a backhand brushoff as shoddy work. Look at it another way: They are producing one

Re: [time-nuts] Problems with Garmin - maybe we should cut them a little slack

2010-12-31 Thread J. Forster
Not only MS. Any product whose cost ofd production is trivial compared to selling price. Look at Coke... it's 99+% water. In some places it sells for $2/pint. -John == Hmmm, sounds like the Microsoft model. What did you expect for $100? On 12/31/2010 12:49 PM, J. Forster

Re: [time-nuts] Problems with Garmin - maybe we should cut them alittle slack

2010-12-31 Thread J. Forster
HNY, I disagree. The reason a high performance GPS costs 100K or more is that the engineering cost is ammortized over a few hundred units. Say the thing cost $10M to develop and you make 1000, that's $10,000 NRE per unit. However, if you have a successful commercial unit and sell 1,000,000 the

Re: [time-nuts] Speaking of problems with Garmin

2010-12-29 Thread J. Forster
Did you ever actually get a contact inside Garmin? I have the same problem. If you punch in an address, it sends you to the wrong end of a long road. I've been told there are two mapping companies. Anybody know who they are? -John === Hey John, I had the same prob with my Nuvi.

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C is good again tonight 90070

2010-12-22 Thread J. Forster
On the noise source, make a roughly 1 foor diameter shielded loop and use it to DF the source, either with a portable receiver or preamp, BPF, and 'scope. A shielded current probe, made of a long, skinny rectangle is useful for looking for EMI currents on conductors. When yuou find the source,

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C antenna thoughts from the group

2010-12-21 Thread J. Forster
I remember reading somewhere that the envelope of the LORAN pulses was shaped to reduce the transmitted BW. Does anybody have a reference for that, and relatedly, what does the BW of the antenna have to be? Typically, loops are about 90 KHz to 110 KHz, but can that be narrowed down? Best, -John

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C antenna thoughts from the group

2010-12-21 Thread J. Forster
I was more interested in reducing the BW, rather than increasing it. Years ago, I bought up some of the resuidual of Appelco, a New Hampshire LORAN company that made units for Raytheon. Included were a bunch of active tunable filters, designed to tune out interference. However, there is no

Re: [time-nuts] Loran?

2010-12-20 Thread J. Forster
but if you do then you will have to pick a date for when it was correct and then explain how it could be incorrect before that date. On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 7:07 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed. But thats the way it goes. On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 12:52 PM, J. Forster j...@quik.com

Re: [time-nuts] Loran?

2010-12-20 Thread J. Forster
how it could be incorrect before that date. On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 7:07 AM, paul swed wrote: Indeed. But thats the way it goes. On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 12:52 PM, J. Forster wrote: There ain't no such thing as Loran. It's LORAN, just like RADAR. They are BOTH

Re: [time-nuts] RADAR

2010-12-20 Thread J. Forster
Correxct, I believe. There is a little known story about the cavity magnetron: The one Tizzard brought over was machined out of a solid block of copper. Copper is a horror to machine kinda like cheese. A machinist was lucky to get any yield. It was brought to the Raytheon labs and Percy

Re: [time-nuts] Loran?

2010-12-19 Thread J. Forster
There ain't no such thing as Loran. It's LORAN, just like RADAR. They are BOTH acronyms. -John = There never was a Loran receiver with a keypad. I am certain he meant Loran C. Loran is (was) the common name for the service... But then, you already knew that, and were just

Re: [time-nuts] TAC/TDC

2010-12-14 Thread J. Forster
There was a thread about such a chip a few months ago, I think. -John I am looking for a commercial drop-in module/solution of a time-to-analog or even time-to-digital converter module with = 1 ps resolution (device should eventually go on a printed-circuit board).

Re: [time-nuts] Loran DX and Austron 2100

2010-12-13 Thread J. Forster
??? Both my Austron 2100Fs have Austron loops. -John Hi It's been a long time since I've tried this, but the Iceland chain was a reasonable catch from the central US with an Austron 2100 and the standard supplied whip antenna. Reception was ok at night and useless during

Re: [time-nuts] Data Professionals Press Release

2010-12-11 Thread J. Forster
1. It is unclear whether they actually bought the rights from the real owner who actually had clear title, or just a pile of HC manuals. 2. If they do not have clear title to the manuals, any copyrights to the scanned version is invalid. They can only copyright new material they have added.

Re: [time-nuts] 3586A HQ PDF Manual available -optimization-

2010-12-10 Thread J. Forster
Ask Dave at ArtekMedia. His manuals have indices in the .pdfs. They might be automatically done, which implies OCR. FWIW, -John You obviously haven't come across all of the Adobe acrobat OCR'd manuals on logsa. They are amazingly unusable. The OCR program gets way off

Re: [time-nuts] 3586A HQ PDF Manual available -optimization-

2010-12-10 Thread J. Forster
I was a long thread on the Boatanchors, ArmyRadios, or Milsurplus list. Probably on the Heathkit list also. -John == Chuck, Really ? Which little ham company is that ? BillWB6BNQ Chuck Harris wrote: You obviously haven't come across all of the Adobe acrobat OCR'd

Re: [time-nuts] 3586A HQ PDF Manual available -optimization-

2010-12-10 Thread J. Forster
There was a lot of discussion about whether the company actually bought the rights and/or whether the seller, in fact, owned the rights, , or just some filing cabinets of hard copy manuals. FWIW, -John Press Release October 2008 Data Professionals of Pleasanton

Re: [time-nuts] OT [GPS Survey grade RX]

2010-12-05 Thread J. Forster
GPS surveying relative to astronomical reference? I don't think so. -John == b...@lysator.liu.se wrote: When you start getting to less than a meter.. For absolute, you need to start worrying about stuff like solid earth tides, plate movement, a whole host of things are all

Re: [time-nuts] If there a FAQ

2010-11-30 Thread J. Forster
It all depends on what your goal is. A couple of Hertz at 10 MHz will keep you well within any of the HF ham bands. The following addresses beyond the 'Gotta stay in the band' issue. The problem with the Zero-beat-WWB-at-10-MHz technique is that WWB is changing frequency. Not at the

Re: [time-nuts] 3586A HQ PDF Manual available

2010-11-29 Thread J. Forster
Have you checked what Dave at ArtekMedia has? He does really good work and sells his scans pretty cheaply. FWIW, if Dave has it, you'd be better off working at McDonalds than redoing it. Just my $0.02 worth. YMMV, -John === Hi all, I've been lucky enough to get a 3586A in

Re: [time-nuts] Hello, Time-Nutters-- RE: thermal insulating of items...

2010-11-28 Thread J. Forster
I have offices in a building with a bunch of doctor's. They throw them out also, because of vaccines. Pediatricians and 'flu season are good bets. -John == Hello, Time-Nutters-- I have found that the styrofoam containers used to ship frozen (or just very temperature

Re: [time-nuts] If there a FAQ

2010-11-28 Thread J. Forster
WWV is not a very good option. The signal fades a lot and has HF noise issues unless you have a really good location within ground wave. Carrier tracking is likely hard, which means you have to deal with the 1 PPS pips. I've used a digital averaging scope, triggered by the 1 PPS from my local

Re: [time-nuts] temperature stability basics

2010-11-27 Thread J. Forster
The two (before and after ?) pics look like they have different contrast settings. -John === In message 013e01cb8dc6$41b038a0$4001a...@lark, Alan Melia writes: I believe there is a reflective/foam insulator that is sold for setting behind (what we in UK call ) CH radiators when the

Re: [time-nuts] temperature stability basics

2010-11-27 Thread J. Forster
You could probably buy enough pink fiberglass to insulate a house for what one of those cost. They might even cost more on eBay -John === How about surplus HRSI tiles off the Shuttle? On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dkwrote: In message

Re: [time-nuts] temperature stability basics

2010-11-26 Thread J. Forster
Thermos flasks were pretty common on early crystal oscillatots, including GR, HP 107(?), and Sultzer at least. -John In an attempt to educate myself about temperature stability, I put a temperature sensor in a 1 cube of brass wrapped in plastic packing-type bubble wrap, and

Re: [time-nuts] [Bulk] ok, newbie questions

2010-11-26 Thread J. Forster
Joe, You are bust greasing an already slippery slope. :) -John == Eugene, Welcome to the list and beware of how 'addicting' this can be. I started out with your exact same purpose, minus all the equipment you have, and am still a 'newbie'. First question is do you

Re: [time-nuts] temperature stability basics

2010-11-26 Thread J. Forster
Worse. Those books will start you thinking about home brew H MASERS. T^hey make UHV seem doable. -John === John Strong's Procedures in Experimental Physics has a section on thermal design (for furnaces and ovens), and is worth having a copy of.' Moore, et.al., building

Re: [time-nuts] ok, newbie questions

2010-11-26 Thread J. Forster
Certainly in the 1 in 10E9 region a scope is fine. Set the scope to trigger on the 1 PPS and look at your local 10 MHz at 10 or 20 nS/div. A storage or DSO scope makes this pretty easy. You can tweek your local osc pretty quickly this way. At 10 nS/div a 1 in 10E9 walks 1 div in ten seconds.

Re: [time-nuts] temperature stability basics

2010-11-26 Thread J. Forster
That's what those golden thermal blankets are on spacecraft and in cryostats. I'm not quite sure whether the golden color comes from a deposited film of Au, or whether it's color comes from the Mylar. It's more likely the former. I've seen the stuff up close, but have not worked wit it personally.

Re: [time-nuts] ok, newbie questions

2010-11-26 Thread J. Forster
Ahh. Very interesting explanation. So is it somewhat correct to assume (yes, I know) that for a stationary (non-mobile) environment, these extra sats don’t make much difference? This seems to be what the explanation is saying. Pretty much, although if your view of the satellites is obscured

Re: [time-nuts] temperature stability basics

2010-11-26 Thread J. Forster
Aren't the space blankets use in survival packs pretty much the same stuff? The mylar-air space-mylar construction seems pretty rational, and they are windproof. -John === Hal Murray wrote: namic...@gmail.com said: Find some closed cell polyethylene that is quite thin and some

Re: [time-nuts] temperature stability basics

2010-11-26 Thread J. Forster
leaf and the spacer material just take care of the IR part of the equation without adding a lot of conductivity. Bob On Nov 26, 2010, at 5:43 PM, J. Forster wrote: That's what those golden thermal blankets are on spacecraft and in cryostats. I'm not quite sure whether the golden color

Re: [time-nuts] USB Low Cost GPS Timing Receiver

2010-11-26 Thread J. Forster
Some of the older GPSs had the 9 pin COM port connectors to interface with the mapping SW running on a PC laptop (Magellen or Garmin ?). Might that data stream contain good enough timing info? I don't knoe what protrocol they used. -John === Hi Bill: The telescope has around arc

Re: [time-nuts] temperature stability basics

2010-11-26 Thread J. Forster
I'm virtually certain by 1968 they were using some plastic film. Maybe Mylar, maybe Kapton, but metalized plastic. I was doing optics and telemetry so was not really involved in other areas, but I babysat our payload on that bird first bird for 5 months -John Bob Camp wrote: Hi

Re: [time-nuts] GPS simulator,

2010-11-25 Thread J. Forster
Agreed. The trick is to properly partition what is done in hardware ane what is done in software. This could eliminate a lot of logic hardware. Clearly, the RF stuff and modulator are hardware. Ditto PR code generation. Everything else in SW, I think. FWIW, -John === Hi One

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