Re: [time-nuts] Cutler NAA on 24.0kHz....

2014-09-11 Thread paul swed
in further tonight. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 8:50 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: A short update on NAA as some sort of reference. Have completed a simple direct conversion circuit using a NE612. A few minor changes because the system only needs 100 Hz or less

Re: [time-nuts] Oscilloquartz 3210 Cesium Standard

2014-09-09 Thread paul swed
Ohhh that hurts and you were lucky. I always mark connectors for that exact reason. I was going to download the pictures but it kept trying to download some executable. So will not be able to look at your pictures. Regards Paul. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 4:35 AM, Adrian Constantinescu

Re: [time-nuts] Cutler NAA on 24.0kHz....

2014-09-09 Thread paul swed
out and the official MSK is there. No attempt to use the tracor 900 circuit yet. Also the LO is a HP 3335a locked to the station RB. Somewhat a massive system connected to a small board. A start none the less. Will not be hard to build the tracor d-msk-r to see what happens. Regards Paul WB8TSL

Re: [time-nuts] Oscilloquartz 3210 Cesium Standard

2014-09-08 Thread paul swed
Adrian please copy me on the pictures also. Whats odd is the caps were bulging. You replaced them and now things are smoking. Might one have been put in backwards? Regards Paul. WB8TSL On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Adrian Constantinescu adrian.valentin.constantine...@gmail.com wrote: Bert

Re: [time-nuts] Poor Mans TIC (Using Beaglebone onboard PRU)

2014-09-05 Thread paul swed
Ian Have not downloaded the info yet. But I was surprised by the fact you were using LORAN sooo you must be in Europe. Lucky you to have such a fine signal. Great job on the tic. Now to go download the bits. Thanks again. Regards Paul. On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 10:26 PM, Tom Van Baak t

Re: [time-nuts] Poor Mans TIC (Using Beaglebone onboard PRU)

2014-09-05 Thread paul swed
Ian what files are needed? Forgive me if its in the read me. Thanks On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 2:56 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Ian Have not downloaded the info yet. But I was surprised by the fact you were using LORAN sooo you must be in Europe. Lucky you to have such a fine

Re: [time-nuts] Poor Mans TIC (Using Beaglebone onboard PRU)

2014-09-05 Thread paul swed
Ian Thank you On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Iain Young i...@g7iii.net wrote: Hey Paul, Grab the tarball, it contains each of the other files in that directory. And yes, the README tells you what you need to do. Note you will need the PRUSS compiler end probably the AM335x PRU Package

Re: [time-nuts] Oscilloquartz 3210 Cesium Standard

2014-09-04 Thread paul swed
Nice scan Tom. Clean. I most likely will never run across either unit. But always good to read about them. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 9:01 PM, Tom Van Baak t...@leapsecond.com wrote: Hi Chris, Sorry for a delayed reply. The OSA 3210 is one of the only cesium standards I

Re: [time-nuts] Oscilloquartz 3210 Cesium Standard

2014-08-29 Thread paul swed
moves. But yet it locks. Good luck. Paul WB8TSL On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: If you have tube-life and not other issues, it's about the same. Also works for rubidiums, as the loop aspect here is essentially the same. There can be *other

Re: [time-nuts] Subject: Re: Oscilloquartz 3210 Cesium Standard

2014-08-29 Thread paul swed
a ton in the process and the monster lives. I was lucky at the same time I came across a HP pico-amp meter and could read the tube current directly and it was pitiful. Good luck Paul WB8TSL On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 6:10 PM, John Miles j...@miles.io wrote: Looks like a really nice piece of hardware

Re: [time-nuts] Oscilloquartz 3210 Cesium Standard

2014-08-28 Thread paul swed
I have the same disease. I have the clock, but the wife thinks that is insane. I don't get her concern at all??? Especially when she says NO!. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 10:39 AM, bownes bow...@gmail.com wrote: Careful Chris, it sounds like you are developing the symptoms

Re: [time-nuts] Ublox neo-7M GPS

2014-08-21 Thread Paul
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 9:45 PM, Tony tn...@toneh.demon.co.uk wrote: I just tried sending various TMODE and TMODE2 configuration messages to the NEO-7M. These allow you to select 'Disabled' 'Survey In' and 'Fixed Mode' where you can specify the receiver's lattitude and longitude. Not

Re: [time-nuts] Ublox neo-7M GPS

2014-08-21 Thread Paul
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Ed Palmer ed_pal...@sasktel.net wrote: How far from the equator are you? I believe 43.235262699 N (my median position) is about 4,809,051 meters from the equator. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To

Re: [time-nuts] Ublox neo-7M GPS

2014-08-21 Thread Paul
for location fixes. I'm also sure it's a pointless exercise -- I'm just idly curious. -- Paul ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] MSK option for Fluke 207 and Tracor 599

2014-08-20 Thread paul swed
on the 2.5KHz IFs of the 207 and 599. Yes you could down convert 2.5Khz to 100 Hz. Messy and there is additional things that would need to happen to make the radios work. I have both by the way. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 1:04 PM, oe1lpw oe1...@telekabel.at wrote: Dear Sirs, I`m

Re: [time-nuts] Cutler NAA on 24.0kHz....

2014-08-19 Thread paul swed
Did measure NAA near Boston 8000uv using a dipole for 80 meters. Looking at various vlf receivers it looks like a LPF or maybe a BPF filter to a ne602 mixer followed by a tl081opamp LPF makes a direct conversion receiver. Then hit the tracor d-msk-r. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 2

Re: [time-nuts] Cutler NAA on 24.0kHz....

2014-08-18 Thread Paul Davis
instead of the 25hz of the 100bps rate. Paul On Aug 17, 2014, at 4:35 PM, Robert LaJeunesse lajeune...@mail.com wrote: It's simple, but not obvious. The LM3900 is a Norton amplifier, and while it has differential inputs they are current driven. (Most older op amps are voltage driven

Re: [time-nuts] Cutler NAA on 24.0kHz....

2014-08-18 Thread paul swed
selected this IF over the others that could have been used. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Paul Davis ziggy9+time-n...@pumpkinbrook.com wrote: Nat Semi App Note 72 page 18, par. 6.4 shows the configuration for bandpass active filter. This matches the last LM3900 stage

Re: [time-nuts] MIT Flea

2014-08-17 Thread paul swed
I did see John scooting along the road. The gates had not opened yet. But did not see him after the gates did open. It was a fairly small crowd Regards Paul WB8TSL/1 On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Richard Solomon w1...@earthlink.net wrote: Speaking of the MIT Flea, I have not read anything

Re: [time-nuts] Cutler NAA on 24.0kHz....

2014-08-17 Thread paul swed
that trick off? I do not get how it gets rid of the msk and leaves the carrier. To Bobs comment. Interesting about the code. But with MSK removed you at least have a CS reference to work with. It ain't wwvb, but for the simplicity of it that would be very positive design for low cost. Regards Paul WB8TSL

Re: [time-nuts] Cutler NAA on 24.0kHz....

2014-08-17 Thread paul swed
. Not pretty on the strip chart. But back to this its msk. I am missing the secret math or something. Do I believe this will work if I build it. Absolutely and a 24 Khz rcvr ain't all that bad to build. Regards Paul WB8TSL/1 On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Robert LaJeunesse lajeune...@mail.com wrote

Re: [time-nuts] Cutler NAA on 24.0kHz....

2014-08-17 Thread paul swed
: if you use analog way to divide the 120kHz that will prevent an incidentally flip of the phase 73 Alex On 8/17/2014 2:21 PM, paul swed wrote: Robert Yes indeed the lm3900 is a great part. The last opamp is a 100hz BPF. The RCs perform a phase shift and I will tend to believe

Re: [time-nuts] Cutler NAA on 24.0kHz....

2014-08-16 Thread paul swed
Alex I have several of these and they worked well. The new BPSK modulation does not allow any of the traditional phase tracking receivers to work. Paul/Ziggy mentioned NAA as an alternate. Granted its not NIST traceable thats not its function. But as it turns out the things I thought made

Re: [time-nuts] Cutler NAA on 24.0kHz....

2014-08-16 Thread paul swed
of the antenna down for maintenance. Regards Paul On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 11:22 PM, Kenneth G. Gordon kgordon2...@frontier.com wrote: On 15 Aug 2014 at 20:57, paul swed wrote: Did check NAA and its banging into Boston. 2 Megawatts to that antenna should show VOLTS at your place. We used

Re: [time-nuts] Cutler NAA on 24.0kHz....

2014-08-16 Thread paul swed
. Matching systems that are like a Frankenstein movie. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote: Hi I would be *very* surprised if the NAA antenna was 50% efficient (transmitter RF to radiated power)….. Given that it’s already up and running with good

Re: [time-nuts] Cutler NAA on 24.0kHz....

2014-08-16 Thread paul swed
or get rid of BPSK modulation is to simply double the incoming carrier. Works great if you don't loose the signal. But I do not see this circuit doing that. Regards Paul On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Kenneth G. Gordon kgordon2...@frontier.com wrote: On 16 Aug 2014 at 11:33, Bob Camp wrote

Re: [time-nuts] Cutler NAA on 24.0kHz....

2014-08-15 Thread paul swed
don't care about time I simply want an alternate frequency reference. Here at Boston I can hear it in my fillings. :-) I could also hear LORAN C. My type of pipe. By the way Paul/Ziggy was also after me on NAA to consider it. I had discounted it because of the lack of info and totally unclear how

Re: [time-nuts] Cutler NAA on 24.0kHz....

2014-08-15 Thread paul swed
NAA actually is above and below 24KHz. That said I suspect that the system simply averages the MSK out of the loop by the filter TC of the PLL. There are numbers of propagation papers on NAA. Paul WB8TSL On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 3:09 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed according

Re: [time-nuts] Cutler NAA on 24.0kHz....

2014-08-15 Thread paul swed
www.glkinst.com/test-equipment/manuals/Tracor*900A*.pdf On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 4:49 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: David Yes I have seen various comments and documents describing MSK that way. But have to say the tracor 900 does not use that method to establish a reference. Its

Re: [time-nuts] Cutler NAA on 24.0kHz....

2014-08-15 Thread paul swed
frequency. Through this magic the 900 could use NAA as a phase tracking reference. Its as if its a classic phase doubler. The documentation almost speaks to that. Its seriously simple. Regards Paul. WB8TSL On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 4:31 PM, David I. Emery d...@dieconsulting.com wrote: On Fri

Re: [time-nuts] Cutler NAA on 24.0kHz....

2014-08-15 Thread paul swed
Yes I can see on page 2 of the pdf thats the trick. Its a non costas loop trick. The action of the MSK card doubles the phase shift. So it is the classic double the frequency stateless carrier recovery. that may drop phase due to noise. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 4:52 PM

Re: [time-nuts] Cutler NAA on 24.0kHz....

2014-08-15 Thread paul swed
Not sure whats up with the link when I click it I get the download. Its a 2.5MB file http://www.glkinst.com/test-equipment/manuals/Tracor900A.pdf. Try his main page http://www.glkinst.com I did see the info there also. Browsers we luv'em. Regards Paul. WB8TSL On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Re: [time-nuts] Cutler NAA on 24.0kHz....

2014-08-15 Thread paul swed
Whats interesting is I had never heard of the 900 till I started looking at NAA and msk. Regards Paul. On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 6:43 PM, David I. Emery d...@dieconsulting.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 03:39:07PM -0700, Pete Lancashire wrote: URL ok from here The text

Re: [time-nuts] Cutler NAA on 24.0kHz....

2014-08-15 Thread paul swed
Oh Ebay has one for sale for the person that just needs one. Todays buy now $1693 plus shipping. There you go a deal a day. I think not. regards Paul WB8TSL On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 7:48 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Whats interesting is I had never heard of the 900 till I started

Re: [time-nuts] Cutler NAA on 24.0kHz....

2014-08-15 Thread paul swed
so much for copy and paste. Thanks On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 7:52 PM, Arthur Dent golgarfrinc...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure whats up with the link when I click it I get the download. Its a 2.5MB file http://www.glkinst.com/test-equipment/manuals/Tracor900A.pdf. The problem with the above

Re: [time-nuts] Cutler NAA on 24.0kHz....

2014-08-15 Thread paul swed
Did check NAA and its banging into Boston. Had to put 40 db anttenuator inline to make it reasonable. Using the wwvb antenna. Most likely would do just fine with 6 ft of wire. Ok only had 4 ft of wire and its there. Could really use 10-12ft. :-) So maybe my fillings won't pick it up. Regards Paul

Re: [time-nuts] HP5370 extender cards?

2014-08-14 Thread paul swed
Let me know when things settle. Most likely will want a set. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Mark Sims hol...@hotmail.com wrote: It usually takes 2-3 weeks to get boards back once sent to the fab (in China). Supposedly the boards that I am having them do for another

Re: [time-nuts] VLF Phase-tracking receivers.

2014-08-12 Thread paul swed
maybe 100 miles a way can be easily detected with a diode and tuned circuit. All that said I have absolutely no real detail on the quality and stability of the signal. Subs do need a stable signal. But I know really nothing. I know Paul has suggested that just maybe the signal would be useful. Regards

Re: [time-nuts] Cutler NAA on 24.0kHz....

2014-08-12 Thread Paul Davis
10e-9) but probably still useful. But no time code of course. The least common multiple of the two is also 120 khz. Food for thought. Paul On Aug 12, 2014, at 10:25 PM, Brian, WA1ZMS wa1...@att.net wrote: So does anyone know what frequency stability NAA has as of today? When I fire-up my VLF

Re: [time-nuts] VLF Phase-tracking receivers.

2014-08-10 Thread paul swed
On iPhone Yes but those stations are fsk so the offsets an issue We may assume the transmitter is accurate But how accurate? Then the fsk generator On Saturday, August 9, 2014, Kenneth G. Gordon kgordon2...@frontier.com wrote: On 9 Aug 2014 at 19:17, paul swed wrote: Ken All of the phase

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB for Time Nuts

2014-08-09 Thread paul swed
Speaking of LORAN C the tests have been dead for about 6 months near as I can tell. Not sure what happened. On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Charles Steinmetz csteinm...@yandex.com wrote: Brooke wrote: I don't understand how Xtendwave can get patents when their work was partially funded by

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB for Time Nuts

2014-08-09 Thread paul swed
Bob Indeed I have no plans to sell anything. If I can ever get a digital solution working for wwvb. What I can say is whatever I do will be shared here. For good or bad. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote: Hi Keep in mind that the patent(s) do

Re: [time-nuts] VLF Phase-tracking receivers.

2014-08-09 Thread paul swed
again. As to the 1310s etc. Never heard of them. Something to search for on the internet. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Kenneth G. Gordon kgordon2...@frontier.com wrote: Hello, I'm new here, but would like to get some advice, if possible. I have been going through my

Re: [time-nuts] VLF Phase-tracking receivers.

2014-08-09 Thread paul swed
. Regards Paul. On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 7:22 PM, Brooke Clarke bro...@pacific.net wrote: Hi Paul: Are the phase tracking receivers able to receive any VLF stations (like used by the military)? Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html

Re: [time-nuts] Fluke 207-5 receiver available

2014-08-08 Thread paul swed
Yes indeed it sort of has a use. WWVB. Not much else down there. Even now that doesn't work. Granted you will here wwvb and you can poke around. But its a nice door stop. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 2:55 AM, Bill Pileggi wpile...@netzero.net wrote: Picked up subject receiver

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB BPSK patent status

2014-08-08 Thread paul swed
could speed up slowdown or leave the same so that I could essentially build a phase accumulator. But not sure what patents are going to cause a problem. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Mike Harpe m...@mikeharpe.com wrote: From my reading of the archives and research it appears

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB BPSK patent status

2014-08-08 Thread Paul Davis
Oct 2012? Or did you mean Heath Co.? The only thing relevant there is 4582434 - Time corrected, continuously updated clock but that is for WWV/WWVH not WWVB. And it was granted in 1986, so no longer in effect anyway. Paul On Aug 8, 2014, at 6:24 PM, Brooke Clarke bro...@pacific.net wrote: Hi

Re: [time-nuts] How are iPhones' clocks set under LTE?

2014-08-05 Thread Paul
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 3:24 AM, David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Seems to work correctly here - my local stratum 1 server is displayed if it's reachable (i.e. I'm on my local network). In the US it tries [0-3].us.pool and my local address. It chooses the best three of those

Re: [time-nuts] Tektronix TM500 extender cable kit

2014-08-05 Thread paul swed
I knew about the GPIB but since I don't use it 99% of the time its not a challenge especially since the only reason I extend a module is to fix it. I did not know that there were 3 bay modules. Learn something every day. But don't own one. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 5:37 AM

Re: [time-nuts] Effects of noise on EFC line?

2014-08-05 Thread paul swed
OK my 2 cents and others will have better comments. You can use a far larger inductor in the efc line to try to reduce the noise. EFCs tend to be integrated by some cap. So they are slow moving compared to the noise. Better design is separate analog and digital supplies. Regards Paul WB8TSL

Re: [time-nuts] How are iPhones' clocks set under LTE?

2014-08-04 Thread Paul
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Brian Garrett garrettbrian1...@gmail.com wrote: However,they will not alter the phone's internal clock. Yes, Apple does not present an (unpriviledged) iOS API to set the clock. Neither does (current, unpriviledge) Android. That's probably a good thing.

Re: [time-nuts] How are iPhones' clocks set under LTE?

2014-08-04 Thread Paul
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 6:32 PM, Shane Morris edgecombe...@gmail.com wrote: Bill, I just got Emerald Time for my iPad - quite a great app, considering I need accurate time for things. Is there a website for the app developer? http://www.emeraldsequoia.com/ On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 8:01 PM, Bill

Re: [time-nuts] Tektronix TM500 extender cable kit

2014-08-04 Thread paul swed
. Granted all the same color but you can get pre-cut lengths and the wires much heavier gauge as you would want in an extender. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 12:11 PM, R.Phillips phill...@btinternet.com wrote: Am I right in thinking that two of these connector/cables would give

Re: [time-nuts] Tektronix TM500 extender cable ki

2014-08-04 Thread paul swed
Yes indeed this is very interesting. I have a number of TM500 modules that need TLC every now and then. I may also want two. Regards Paul. WB8TSL On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Robert LaJeunesse lajeune...@mail.com wrote: ___ time-nuts mailing

Re: [time-nuts] How are iPhones' clocks set under LTE?

2014-08-03 Thread Paul
On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Brian Garrett garrettbrian1...@gmail.com wrote: Has this been discussed on the list before? I think so, but google iOS NTP which apparently is what's used to periodically set the clock (at large intervals) but not to discipline it.

Re: [time-nuts] OT Gel Cell question

2014-07-28 Thread paul swed
a recent build date. Regards Paul. WB8TSL On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Alexander Pummer alex...@ieee.org wrote: as long as it is not a gals/ceramic seal, there is no way to stop sulfuric acid to get out from the cell, just imagine the dilatation diffrence between plastic and metal... 73 Alex

Re: [time-nuts] OT Gel Cell question

2014-07-28 Thread paul swed
is the batteries on test gear I manage to pickup. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Chuck Harris cfhar...@erols.com wrote: That said, I have never seen a gel cell, or a glass mat lead acid battery leak acid, or emit fumes. I'm not saying it can't happen, just that in all of my

Re: [time-nuts] OT Gel Cell question

2014-07-28 Thread paul swed
Elio Oh man I have seen the amp hour magic also. Thought maybe I was just getting older batteries. We have major home chains in the US that batteries sit around for quite some time as measured by the dust on them. So I was thinking that was the case. Regards Paul. On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 6:50

Re: [time-nuts] Synergy-GPS SSR-6tru Problem Resolved

2014-07-25 Thread paul swed
) of the SMIQ rf generator. OK that was very on time-nuts. I apologize to the group. However it is impressive that they did give you the support. Much as others had in the past. Regards Paul WB8TSL/1 On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Alexander Pummer alex...@ieee.org wrote: Synergy's owner Ulrich

Re: [time-nuts] Starting point for a WWVB project?

2014-07-22 Thread paul swed
Geo if it uses that chip the thing should work even with the new format. You may want to place the antenna in a good position and give it a shot. You might like it. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 1:10 PM, George Dubovsky n4ua...@gmail.com wrote: While looking for something else

Re: [time-nuts] new clock

2014-07-22 Thread paul swed
Agree with Marks comments. Regards Paul On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Mark Sims hol...@hotmail.com wrote: An oscillator can take many weeks to settle in after being powered off / shipped / abused / looked at cross-eyed / etc. It typically takes a Thunderbolt a month or two to settle

Re: [time-nuts] quartz oscillator injection locking

2014-07-20 Thread paul swed
Thanks On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 8:11 AM, Oz-in-DFW li...@ozindfw.net wrote: On 7/19/2014 3:45 PM, paul swed wrote: Attilla I did look at some of the documents. But none showed practical HF class injection locking. Say as an example a 6 MHz xtal to a 1 or 2 MHz reference. It maybe

Re: [time-nuts] quartz oscillator injection locking

2014-07-19 Thread paul swed
think I just talked myself into an attempt. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 7:23 AM, Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch wrote: On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 21:18:20 +0200 Francesco Messineo francesco.messi...@gmail.com wrote: what would be the best method to try injection locking a butler

Re: [time-nuts] Synergy-GPS SSR-6tru problems

2014-07-16 Thread Paul
. I don't have the ability to deal with those .05 spaced pins on the GPS board's connector, or to supply the 3V power. I was able to compress and heat shrink some .1 connectors on a .05 connector although I didn't try it on the SSR-6T. -- Paul ___ time

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB remod instant cheap clock receiver

2014-07-13 Thread paul swed
I figured there were other modules. Glad to see wallymart has them also. Over payed? The costyco comes in a multi color display with temp and humidity. But then again its the module after all. How big is the loopstick and did you confirm the wiring? Regards Paul. WB8TSL On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 1

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB remod instant cheap clock receiver

2014-07-13 Thread Paul Davis
) - probably 3.3v OK. Verified those with 'scope. Slightly different pinout but similar signals. Paul --- On Jul 13, 2014, at 10:41 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: I figured there were other modules. Glad to see wallymart has them also. Over payed? The costyco comes in a multi color display

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB remod instant cheap clock receiver

2014-07-13 Thread Paul Davis
Since the 87kb picture was completely stripped out of my prior reply, here's a link to a pic: http://www.pumpkinbrook.com/files/Module1.jpg Paul ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB remod instant cheap clock receiver

2014-07-13 Thread paul swed
Paul the pix came through and yes another nice module and as you say at wally world and there are lots of those. The only guess is the data out or time code. They come both ways. That is as the remodulator is designed a low carrier -14 db at the tick represents a high logic. There is a spare

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB remod instant cheap clock receiver

2014-07-12 Thread Paul Davis
Paul - You over paid ;) Neither one is going to break the bank, but I found the Westclox Model 72006 'Atomic LCD Alarm Clock' $10.97 at Walmart. Similar module inside. Paul On Jul 11, 2014, at 12:55 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Intended to add the model number. Cosco only has

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB remod instant cheap clock receiver

2014-07-11 Thread paul swed
Intended to add the model number. Cosco only has one type a c89201 On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Pete Lancashire p...@petelancashire.com wrote: Do you have a model number or can you send me a picture ? Have to do a Costco run this weekend -pete On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 9:16 AM, paul

[time-nuts] Time-nuts question on message size??? 119KB vs 165KB

2014-07-11 Thread paul swed
Trying to keep the message and attachements below the 128KB limit. I send a 119KB message and it gets held as a 165KB message. Can someone help me to understand the difference please? Thanks Paul WB8TSL ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] Time-nuts question on message size??? 119KB vs 165KB

2014-07-11 Thread paul swed
to clear stuff out I did not want deleted. Need to re-explore it. Regards Paul. On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: paulsw...@gmail.com said: Trying to keep the message and attachements below the 128KB limit. I send a 119KB message and it gets held

Re: [time-nuts] Time-nuts question on message size??? 119KB vs 165KB

2014-07-11 Thread paul swed
Thanks Tom and Hal I was trying to understand what the change was and now I know the pix get bigger. I will keep that in mind for the future. Regards Paul. On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Tom Van Baak (lab) t...@leapsecond.com wrote: Paul, Your expectation works for text attachments

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB remodulator update Sent twice but never made it through ...

2014-07-08 Thread paul swed
Nigel Thanks as I am experiencing a gmail issue with what it considers is spam. Like you email I am absolutely unclear as to whats getting through. Many others are experiencing the same behavior. Its AOL or something. Thank you for letting me know it did make it through. Regards Paul WB8TSL

Re: [time-nuts] Introduction and info about a Lucent RFTG

2014-07-08 Thread paul swed
. Both the RB and Xtal connect to a 2 way combiner to 9 way splitter for passive distribution. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 8:06 AM, gandal...@aol.com wrote: Hi Denver When you refer to one side or the other, do you have the complete RFTG unit with the two modules? I only have

[time-nuts] WWVB updated remodulator schematic 2 mistakes and a question

2014-07-08 Thread paul swed
. Also found 2 errors on the schematic and those are corrected here. Both are around the 2n3904 transistor. 100K increased to 270K better behavior 47 ohm typo its 1.8K not really picky. Regards Paul WB8TSL Remodulator op_ver1 07082014.sch Description: Binary data

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB updated remodulator schematic...

2014-07-08 Thread paul swed
Adobe pro must be 10 or 11 but only a year or so old. It is opening for others Burt. If its the very last 30 minutes ago file thats a schematic and you need expresspcb. Its free. Regards Paul. On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Burt I. Weiner b...@att.net wrote: I can't read the files the link

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB updated remodulator schematic 2 mistakes and aquestion

2014-07-08 Thread paul swed
- Original Message - From: paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com To: paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com; Time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 2:50 PM Subject: [time-nuts] WWVB updated remodulator schematic 2 mistakes and aquestion I have received 2 different emails

[time-nuts] WWVB remodulator dropbox links (I hope)

2014-07-06 Thread paul swed
%20remodulator%20update%2007012014.pdf Regards Paul WB8TSL ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] Interesting frequency standard project

2014-07-04 Thread paul swed
think I have a list some place have to re-look. Curious can you see a schematic or must you subscribe... It is a nicely written article. I used to buy elctor in the book stores when it was available. Thanks Paul WB8TSL On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 8:11 AM, Collins, Graham coll...@navcanada.ca wrote: I am

Re: [time-nuts] Introduction and info about a Lucent RFTG

2014-07-04 Thread paul swed
a passive 6 or more way splitter. There isn't much more you can really do with it. Oh you could get crazy and lock it to GPS. But then it just depends on what do you want to accomplish. Nothing wrong with a good reference. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Denver denc...@gmail.com

[time-nuts] WWVB remodulator update Sent twice but never made it through XX More

2014-07-04 Thread paul swed
. Sorry for the delay. Will be great fun doing this with gmail. NOT. Regards Paul WB8TSL ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

[time-nuts] Xtendwave Everset chips update

2014-07-02 Thread paul swed
for the predictive approach at least to a point. Regards Paul. WB8TSL ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] Xtendwave Everset chips update

2014-07-02 Thread paul swed
of pain for little gain. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote: Hi If you want to go a bit crazy, there are places that will package up die for you. Depending on the resulting package, cost is in the $0.30 to $20 per part range. Most of the places

Re: [time-nuts] Dephasing WWVB

2014-06-30 Thread paul swed
Paul WB8TSL On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 6:39 PM, Martin VE3OAT ve3...@storm.ca wrote: John Reed wrote : By the way, my 5 section synchronous filter is an LC with op-amps between each stage to bring the gain up for the squaring chip. It has a 2 KHz -6 dB bandwidth at 60 KHz. John

Re: [time-nuts] Dephasing WWVB

2014-06-30 Thread paul swed
. The 117s 207 spectracoms... Hence the d-psk-r/costas loop soluyion released a year ago. But its semi digital and analog and I have to say I never really figured out what the magical VCO filter needed to be. Though I experimented. It works. But its a guess. Regards Paul On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 1:00

Re: [time-nuts] Sad news Ulrich Bangert

2014-06-30 Thread paul swed
Hartmut that is indeed a friend that can keep a persons knowledge going and had been entrusted with the details. Good luck to you and thank you. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 6:23 PM, Hartmut Paesler timen...@paesler.de wrote: Dear group, please let me express my thanks

Re: [time-nuts] Dephasing WWVB

2014-06-29 Thread paul swed
over a year ago. My next stab is more of a digital approach using the STM discovery board. Have to say I seem to get lost in some of the basics of getting all of the crazy registers set. However its value is it can run very very fast. So you can do some nice sampling. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Sat

[time-nuts] WWVB update on the remodulator released last year. Its racked and stacked

2014-06-29 Thread paul swed
really motivated me was several thread with another time nut and I decided, why wait build a separate box and be done. Also will send a separate email discussing the small atomic clocks and how to use them for the remodulator. Regards Paul WB8TSL ___ time

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB update on the remodulator released last year. Its racked and stacked

2014-06-29 Thread paul swed
everyone in a day or so. Google mails kind of a pain in that respect. Regards Paul. On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 11:04 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Hello to the group. Been a while. Wanted to update the group on the WWVB remodulator that allows receivers like the spectracom 8170, Netclock 2

Re: [time-nuts] Dephasing WWVB

2014-06-29 Thread paul swed
for free. There has to have been a reason that all the clever none work receivers went to the trouble of PLLs and such. They were pretty smart engineers. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Alex Pummer a...@pcscons.com wrote: thank you for that info, 2kHz bandwidth is a big problem

Re: [time-nuts] Loran, GPS, Lightning, Timing

2014-06-28 Thread paul swed
. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 2:37 AM, Don Latham d...@montana.com wrote: Scientific American magazine today is a mere shadow of its former self, due mainly to a new publisher imported from Popular Science magazine. There is no longer an Amateur Scientist article in each issue

Re: [time-nuts] Loran, GPS, Lightning, Timing

2014-06-27 Thread paul swed
end. Its the other parts of the solution that should be the focus. How to make a sub $$ solution. The European solution is several hundred Euros. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Brian Lloyd br...@lloyd.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 9:08 PM, DaveH i

Re: [time-nuts] Loran, GPS, Lightning, Timing

2014-06-27 Thread paul swed
of finding the article that would be a kick. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net wrote: You might be thinking of the file that David Byrne sent to the HP list last year on 9/7/13. It was an article by C. L. Stong and I think it was published

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO standard interface?

2014-06-26 Thread REEVES Paul
interface is also the easiest to convert to a more 'robust' physical media for electrically 'unpleasant' environments and DB9/25 connectors are a LOT more reliable than USB connectors too! regards, PaulG8GJA -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO standard interface?

2014-06-26 Thread Paul
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 11:14 PM, Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net wrote: I'll look into both SCPI and TSIP, and therein lies the reason for my original post. Essentially, have they been patented, and if so, have those patents expired? You almost certainly want to use SCPI which is managed by

Re: [time-nuts] microcontroller based IRIG generator

2014-06-25 Thread paul swed
. If true, time (Pun intended) to convert to a $21 ublox. Paul WB8TSL On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 5:17 AM, Morris Odell vilgo...@bigpond.net.au wrote: I did this successfully a few years ago using an AVR 90S8535 to generate IRIG B so that I could use a vintage nixie IRIG display with a Trimble Lassen IQ

Re: [time-nuts] Loran, GPS, Lightning, Timing

2014-06-25 Thread paul swed
I have been watching the blitzortung system in the US for a few days now and really like the clean and simple display. Very nicely done. Also downloaded the information package. Oddly it does not use any 12AU7s in the design. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 2:24 AM, nuts n

Re: [time-nuts] Loran, GPS, Lightning, Timing

2014-06-25 Thread paul swed
Regards Paul WB8TSL On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: In message 16957e54-f6d5-4c0a-9068-6f0c772d2...@email.android.com, Didier Jug es writes: I think it would be perfectly appropriate to design an LF amplifier with 12AU7s considering the high signal

Re: [time-nuts] Loran, GPS, Lightning, Timing

2014-06-24 Thread paul swed
Oh man does this bring back memories of 12au7s and loop antennas pre internet 1970 as I recall. A QST magazine article. I built it and it used a crt for readout. There wasn't really a way back then to share the data. But will say this is quite a nice setup. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Tue, Jun 24

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