Re: [time-nuts] Obscure HP T/F instruments in ebay.fr

2015-03-21 Thread Bill Byrom
, but the random frequency adjustments by the networks and the switching between network and local station color burst reference clocks during local programming insertion caused us to abandon this project. This was about 7 years before I started at Tektronix. -- Bill Byrom N5BB On Fri, Mar 20, 2015

Re: [time-nuts] ADEV noise floor vs counter gate time

2015-03-21 Thread Bill Byrom
). The analog interpolation circuit uses a constant current charging a capacitor with a sampler and A/D converter. Counting a 100 MHz signal, this provides 12 digits of resolution per second of measurement interval. -- Bill Byrom N5BB On Wed, Mar 18, 2015, at 05:49 PM, James via time-nuts wrote: Hi

Re: [time-nuts] HP5335A GPIB questions.

2015-03-22 Thread Bill Byrom
will be able to get this to work with the right configuration of termination character and talk/listen turnaround. -- Bill Byrom N5BB On Sat, Mar 21, 2015, at 09:24 PM, Luke Mester wrote: I recently bought a HP5335A counter and have some questions about operating the instrument with GPIB. I

[time-nuts] Lucent RFTG-m-XO failure to obtain GPS signal

2015-03-25 Thread Bill Hawkins
going on without hacking it from the basic bits? Would really like to solve this problem. Failing that, does anyone want them? Have the matching L105A RB boxes, which fire up and produce 15 MHz. Also female BNC to male SMA adapters. Many pictures available. Thanks for any help. Bill Hawkins

Re: [time-nuts] National Positioning, Navigation, and Timing (PNT) Resilience and Security Act of 2015, H.R. 1678.

2015-03-28 Thread Bill Hawkins
Brooke, It's been my experience that local daylight time change criteria are varied and fluid. How would a LORAN (or GPS) transmitter set the DST bit for everybody? The leap second bit would be useful world-wide. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: Brooke Clarke Sent: Friday, March

Re: [time-nuts] Need advice for multilateration setup

2015-03-28 Thread Bill Hawkins
. It should be possible to use linear interpolation for the effect of acceleration during powered flight, since f=ma is a first order equation. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: Bob Camp Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 6:22 PM The point being that, to even get acceleration into the picture, you

Re: [time-nuts] No GPS satellites

2015-02-26 Thread Bill Hawkins
to make it work, as the mixer was in the base of the antenna. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: Tim Shoppa Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 7:56 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] No GPS satellites Yes, the XL-DC and other Truetime models

Re: [time-nuts] Recording mains frequency

2015-03-01 Thread Bill Hawkins
be interesting to see how the daily load averages vary from region to region. Bill Hawkins ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] OXCO insulation

2015-02-24 Thread Bill Hawkins
to external temperature changes, called load disturbances. Hope this was of some use. Bill Hawkins ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] Need advice for multilateration setup

2015-03-27 Thread Bill Hawkins
to do with a rocket was 1959, with an Aerobee-Hi launched from White Sands, NM. We used Doppler to get altitude for upper air density measurement. The rocket went off course horizontally (determined by radar) and was destroyed before it crossed the border. Bill Hawkins

Re: [time-nuts] Visual clock comparison

2015-04-20 Thread Bill Beam
stopwatch runs at 40BPS. Bill Beam NL7F ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] Tektronix Sample Heads

2015-04-26 Thread Bill Byrom
accuracy with low jitter (a couple of ps RMS jitter in these older products). * The voltage measurement range is usually a few hundred millivolts peak-peak, while the damage level is at around 3 volts. -- Bill Byrom N5BB On Fri, Apr 24, 2015, at 10:42 PM, Ivan Cousins wrote: Since I

Re: [time-nuts] Visual clock comparison

2015-04-19 Thread Bill Hawkins
by. Or you could take a picture of both clocks, wait some minutes and take another picture. Simultaneous observation is unlikely, because it takes time to move the eye's focus from one clock to the other. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: Chris Albertson Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015

Re: [time-nuts] TrueTime AL-AK GPS receiver help

2015-04-30 Thread Bill Hawkins
is required. So is some discussion of the application with the manufacturer. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Alex Pummer Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 12:56 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re

Re: [time-nuts] TrueTime AL-AK GPS receiver help

2015-04-30 Thread Bill Hawkins
as the TrueTime GOES receiver. Antenna and converter will be hard to find, as they were probably junked separately. I would not expect the receiver to be set up by changing some dip switches. Now, if someone had the RF skills to build a GHz to MHz converter, it might work. Bill Hawkins

Re: [time-nuts] Tektronix Sample Heads

2015-05-04 Thread Bill Byrom
much higher accuracy and removes most of the ambiguity of multiple reflections. It also allows S-parameters to be extracted and SPICE models to be verified. This software isn't free - we have many more software engineers than hardware engineers these days! -- Bill Byrom N5BB On Sun, May 3, 2015

[time-nuts] RFTG-m-XO KS-24019 RS-422 Query

2015-04-28 Thread Bill Hawkins
version, not the newer ones. Any clues to documentation appreciated. Bill Hawkins ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] lawnmower robots may be the end of VLF timekeeping

2015-05-10 Thread Bill Hawkins
Did the pictures have to be in SVG format? Is this only a problem for those who routinely use SVG? -Original Message- From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 7:16 AM I spent some time capturing some data today. The measurements is from my $20 loop-antenna in the attic,

Re: [time-nuts] lawnmower robots may be the end of VLF timekeeping

2015-05-11 Thread Bill Hawkins
how to use it. I'm sorry I expressed my annoyance, but I'm fighting an unknown infection, and that makes me testy. If someone could send me a reliable link to download SVG, I could try it after a full system backup. That's all extra work, but there's got to be a pony in there somewhere. Bill

Re: [time-nuts] Visual clock comparison

2015-04-18 Thread Bill Hawkins
IIRC, automobile driver's stopping distance includes 200 msec to process the need to stop. Our wetware is not particularly fast. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Chris Albertson Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 12:51 AM To: t

Re: [time-nuts] Visual clock comparison

2015-04-18 Thread Bill Beam
between right and left ear will be perceived as sound coming from left or right, and not perceived as a time difference. Bill Beam NL7F ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman

[time-nuts] Immortal Power

2015-04-18 Thread Bill Hawkins
$195 for it? The catch is, the buyer has to supply the 96 VDC in batteries. Please write for details to b...@iaxs.net. Bill Hawkins ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo

Re: [time-nuts] Jackson labs fury gpsdo with docxo for sale

2015-06-26 Thread Bill Dailey
The double oven? Sent from mobile On Jun 25, 2015, at 4:25 PM, Rhys D heyr...@gmail.com wrote: According to the brochure, they are only $750 new. Or am I missing something here? R On 26 June 2015 at 03:30, Mark Spencer m...@alignedsolutions.com wrote: Hi I'm wondering if there is

Re: [time-nuts] Two V(in)s walk into a bar...

2015-06-25 Thread Bill Hawkins
does not affect the other. The star ground may jump around, but all circuits are affected equally. Like your subject line. Better than 'strings,' I'm afraid. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: Neil Schroeder Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 4:55 PM -- % - (snip) Main question

Re: [time-nuts] magnetic electronic components

2015-06-23 Thread Bill Byrom
and electromagnetic radiation. But that's more than you asked for. :) -- Bill Byrom N5BB On Mon, Jun 22, 2015, at 06:56 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote: Hi The problem with coils (inductors) is that they are indeed on the “other side” of the physics / electrical engineering divide. They are not unique

Re: [time-nuts] Modulation Domain Analysis

2015-06-17 Thread Bill Byrom
was powered by a TM500 mainframe. A number of other companies produced modules which were powered by TM500 mainframes. -- Bill Byrom N5BB On Wed, Jun 17, 2015, at 09:07 AM, Robert Gilchrist Huenemann wrote: Thank you for your comments. I was not aware of the TVC501. I  have ordered a copy

Re: [time-nuts] Modulation Domain Analysis

2015-06-16 Thread Bill Byrom
inputs. It was a rather specialized product, and I don't think we sold many of them. In 1995 we discontinued nearly the entire TM500/TM5000 line. Some of these products were sold by Tegam for a few years. -- Bill Byrom N5BB On Tue, Jun 16, 2015, at 05:17 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote

Re: [time-nuts] GPS/UTC time

2015-07-04 Thread Bill Hawkins
and UTC time is correct for humans. ps. am I replying the way I'm supposed to with a new email and subject? Yes. Thank you. The archives will be better for it. Kind regards, Bill Hawkins P.S. It's true that the time difference changes very little (ignoring DST, which cancels out) per year

Re: [time-nuts] beaglebones, time, web services

2015-07-04 Thread Bill Dailey
Pysolar Sent from mobile On Jul 4, 2015, at 8:13 AM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: I've got a project I'm working on to make a sophisticated sundial with moving mirrors. I've got a batch of Arduinos that move the mirrors to the appropriate places, given the current sun angle,

Re: [time-nuts] beaglebones, time, web services

2015-07-05 Thread Bill Dailey
These are pricey but offer 5900 steps over 120 degrees. 0.02 degree per step. At least you could try a couple. If you have many of them it would get expensive quickly. http://www.horizonhobby.com/ds8231-ultra-precision-servo-jrps8231 Sent from mobile On Jul 5, 2015, at 7:46 AM, Jim Lux

Re: [time-nuts] KS-24361 REF-0 standalone

2015-08-08 Thread Bill Hawkins
with a 28 volt 3 amp supply into a mini-rack using aluminum angle. My time lab is being downsized due to a move to senior living apartments. There's other stuff. Bill Hawkins Bloomington, MN 55438 -Original Message- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bob Camp Sent

Re: [time-nuts] HP5065A C-field current is temperature sensitive

2015-08-20 Thread Bill Byrom
a different ground, since there may be significant current and ground drop through the ground trace or plane. Be sure to have the covers in place so the airflow and thermal characteristics are as HP designed. -- Bill Byrom N5BB On Wed, Aug 19, 2015, at 04:45 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote

Re: [time-nuts] Vanguard Ultra precision Golden Oscillator

2015-08-23 Thread Bill Byrom
to commit customs fraud, report it to us. If the seller is faking custom forms, how do you know that anything they say is true? -- Bill Byrom N5BB ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman

Re: [time-nuts] GPS outage? 19:00-2100 UTC Tue

2015-08-20 Thread Bill Byrom
averages/sec using a RTSA or a bitmap statistical display. Again, I'm not trying to advertise anything in this forum but just give you a technical answer to your question. -- Bill Byrom N5BB On Thu, Aug 20, 2015, at 12:12 AM, Hal Murray wrote: What's the BNM column on that chart? What

Re: [time-nuts] GPS outage? 19:00-2100 UTC Tue

2015-08-19 Thread Bill Byrom
/SOFCalendar.aspx And note that except for certain government tests and operations, GPS jamming is illegal, and violations are prosecuted: http://www.gps.gov/spectrum/jamming/ -- Bill Byrom N5BB On Wed, Aug 19, 2015, at 03:11 AM, Hal Murray wrote: Most/all of my GPS toys stopped working

Re: [time-nuts] Square to sine wave symmetrical conversion (part 2)

2015-07-28 Thread Bill Byrom
to PM conversion sources) in downstream amplifiers can be affected by audio frequency noise, I think that it's very important that such noise isn't allowed to phase modulate the desired RF signal. -- Bill Byrom N5BB On Mon, Jul 27, 2015, at 05:39 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi On Jul 27, 2015

Re: [time-nuts] NPR story on coupled pendulums

2015-07-29 Thread Bill Hawkins
. That would soon have the clocks synchronized out of phase, provided the mounting arrangement did not absorb too much of the pulse energy. The situation is similar to synchronizing a TV vertical oscillator (running a bit slow) with the received sync pulse from the broadcast station, no? Bill Hawkins

Re: [time-nuts] NPR story on coupled pendulums

2015-07-31 Thread Bill Beam
PM, Bill Beam wb...@gci.net wrote: These University Of Lisbon Scientists have rediscovered a very old wheel. Old physics: Two coupled nearly identical harmonic oscillators have two stable states. They will operate with relative phase = zero or 180deg. How they are coupled is not an issue

Re: [time-nuts] NPR story on coupled pendulums

2015-07-30 Thread Bill Beam
energy one to the other. Regards On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 13:44:19 -0500, Bill Hawkins wrote: They talk about sound pulses affecting the pendulums. Sounds more likely that the mechanical vibration transmitted through the aluminum bar affects the escapements. Perhaps the 'tock' side generates

Re: [time-nuts] Fluke/Gigatronics 6060 series (6062A specifically)output amplitude cal constants

2015-08-11 Thread Bill Reed
I have a service manual for the 6080A/AN. The cal procedure may be the same. Bill Reed -Original Message- From: John Ackermann N8UR Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 6:06 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Fluke/Gigatronics 6060 series

Re: [time-nuts] 60Hz line data

2015-07-26 Thread Bill Byrom
/meetings/rms/keydocs/2011/0518/03_manual_time_error_correction_elimination_field_trial.doc So don't trust an AC synchronous motor clock in North America. -- Bill Byrom N5BB On Sun, Jul 26, 2015, at 07:08 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi That correlates quite well with data from the 1960’s before

Re: [time-nuts] 60Hz line data

2015-07-27 Thread Bill Byrom
minute and hour cards. A few years later I had a Radio Shack LED wristwatch. I see that 32,768 Hz crystals can now be purchased for US $0.15 each in lots of 100. -- Bill Byrom N5BB On Sun, Jul 26, 2015, at 07:08 PM, Dave Martindale wrote: It's not just synchronous-motor clocks that use line

Re: [time-nuts] 60Hz line data

2015-07-27 Thread Bill Hawkins
/real_time_system_conditions.html His chart (with permission) is at: http://home.earthlink.net/~schultdw/power/all.png In this case, the time reference was given by the power company. No cycles were counted. Regards, Bill Hawkins ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] E4437B phase noise spurs. Any ideas?

2015-07-17 Thread Bill Byrom
such as the ones you see in your screen capture. -- Bill Byrom N5BB Tektronix RF Application Engineer On Thu, Jul 16, 2015, at 04:15 AM, Wolfgang DL1SKY wrote: Hi, I just got a used/refurbished E4437B which I wanted to use as a all-purpose RF generator primarily for 3-4 GHz. Unfortunately, I'm

Re: [time-nuts] Wikipedia and Residual Phase Noise

2015-07-13 Thread Bill Byrom
I suggest this magazine article: Additive (residual) phase noise measurement of amplifiers, frequency dividers, and frequency multipliers http://www.holzworth.com/Aux_docs/PhaseNoise_Article_MWJ_Jun08.pdf -- Bill Byrom N5BB On Mon, Jul 13, 2015, at 02:20 AM, tim...@timeok.it wrote: Hi

Re: [time-nuts] Modulation Domain Analysis

2015-07-12 Thread Bill Byrom
assistance from others to read a floppy disk these days anyway! There is a small possibility that I have some old printed TVC501 application information which didn't get discarded during my last office move, and I will look for any such material during our move. -- Bill Byrom N5BB On Sat, Jun

[time-nuts] HP 3335A for the impoverished experimenter

2015-11-09 Thread Bill Hawkins
requests, it goes to the best impoverished experimenter story. Please reply directly to b...@iaxs.net, not the list. It's been fun. Bill Hawkins P.S. Also have a 3335A parts unit and an Efratom FRK L rubidium pulled from a Collins Omega navigation set, oh, and a set of the older Lucent RFTG XO

Re: [time-nuts] Downsizing dilemma, HP 3335A

2015-11-11 Thread Bill Hawkins
most of us know what happens when the boss doesn't know what the techs are doing. In my experience, you don't get good designs if you don't know how they are built. But then, there are people who think the Universe is based on mathematics rather than the other way around. Bill Hawkins P.S. My thanks

Re: [time-nuts] How did they distribute time in the old days?

2015-10-14 Thread Bill Hawkins
. I don't know of any mechanical clocks that sync once a day. IIRC, Western Union had to send people to advance or retard the hour hand when daylight savings time became common. There is something about those clocks that makes a time nut want to restore one. Bill Hawkins -Original Message

Re: [time-nuts] Digital Phase Lock Loops

2015-10-16 Thread Bill Reed
locked systems I contracted Dr. Gardner to conduct a course on phase locked techniques at MSFC. This course became the basis for his book. He gave me a signed copy. Bill Reed -Original Message- From: Alexander Pummer Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 5:33 PM To: Discussion of precise time

Re: [time-nuts] Digital Phasae Lock Loops

2015-10-17 Thread Bill Reed
systems I contracted Dr. Gardner to conduct a course on phase locked techniques at MSFC. This course became the basis for his book. He gave me a signed copy. Bill Reed -Original Message- From: Alexander Pummer Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 7:05 PM To: Discussion of precise time

Re: [time-nuts] UPS for my time rack

2015-10-10 Thread Bill Hawkins
ack directly to the line. This allowed the UPS to be replaced when its warranty ran out. Batteries lasted six years, did not invest another $500 in them. Good luck. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: Chris Waldrup Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 8:20 AM To: TIme Nuts Subject: [time-nuts]

Re: [time-nuts] UPS for my time rack

2015-10-12 Thread Bill Hawkins
accept that amount of time travel, follow this link: http://www.hactrn.net/sra/vaxen.html or Google "vaxen immortal power" The reference to October 19, 1987, is to the first computer failure to have a major effect on the stock market. Enjoy, as they say Bi

Re: [time-nuts] 60Hz line data

2015-07-10 Thread Bill Hawkins
. It would be interesting to see what's really going on. What do other countries do? DC tie lines? Regards, Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: Hal Murray Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 2:45 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Cc: Hal Murray Subject: [time-nuts] 60Hz line data My collection recently

Re: [time-nuts] Downsizing dilemma, HP 3335A

2015-11-14 Thread Bill Byrom
active. -- Bill Byrom N5BB On Wed, Nov 11, 2015, at 08:34 PM, Pete Lancashire wrote: > Tektronix (long before being a division of Danaher) up to at least the > mid > 70's would require an EE to > work in production. I understand some HP divisions did the same. All that > started

Re: [time-nuts] Time syncing WiFi routers using FM radio

2015-11-14 Thread Bill Byrom
to FM broadcast band signals while eating dinner at the Denver airport and had great difficulty in positioning the iPod and headphone cable (which acts as the antenna) for good audio due to multipath distortion. -- Bill Byrom N5BB On Thu, Nov 12, 2015, at 06:19 AM, Tim Shoppa wrote: >

Re: [time-nuts] FLL errors

2015-08-30 Thread Bill Hawkins
time, or adjusting by an hour for summer or winter time, then our needs for social time can be satisfied. I don't see the need to yank the oscillator around for social time with a time loop. Best regards, Bill Hawkins P.S. We're moving to a life care community that has no room for a time lab

[time-nuts] GPS TIMING SOLUTION CXR LARUS 545000-9

2015-08-30 Thread Bill Reed
. A Jones terminal for 48 vdc and Battery The chassis are 12 x 12 x 18 and 20 lbs. If you have cards here is the deal. $ 20.00 plus shipping (each). Negotiable Contact me offline for more details. Bill br...@otelco.net --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https

Re: [time-nuts] Z380XA The saga of the aging 10811

2015-09-06 Thread Bill Hawkins
) in a USPS large Fixed Rate Priority Mail box for $18. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bob Benward Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2015 1:19 PM To: Time Nuts Subject: [time-nuts] Z380XA The saga of the aging 10811 Hi All, I would

Re: [time-nuts] KS-24361 REF-0 standalone

2015-10-02 Thread Bill Hawkins
are free from discipline and are now drifting. So yes, the positioning aspects matter. Disclaimer: I haven't studied RAIM (or TRAIM) enough to know exactly what goes on, but that's the behavior I've observed. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for ECL divide by 3 with symmetry

2015-09-27 Thread Bill Byrom
-- Bill Byrom N5BB On Sun, Sep 27, 2015, at 11:36 AM, ed breya wrote: > I need to build an ECL divide by 3 circuit to run at about 50 MHz input. > I know there are lots of examples out there, but I vaguely recall years > ago I stumbled upon one or more that also provided more of a sy

Re: [time-nuts] algorithms and hardware for comparing clock pulses

2015-09-24 Thread Bill Hawkins
, please ask for clarification. Or do a schematic and ask for corrections. Bill Hawkins P.S. This will not work well for small differences between PPS 1 and 2. It will work if the goal is 50% difference, or 90 degrees phase shift. -Original Message- From: Can Altineller Sent: Wednesday

Re: [time-nuts] algorithms and hardware for comparing clock pulses

2015-09-23 Thread Bill Hawkins
on. This is a lot of analog circuitry, but it will operate as fast as the parts are capable of switching and not at the whim of whatever the micro is doing. Hope that's useful. Probably already been done. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: Magnus Danielson Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015

Re: [time-nuts] more teensies

2015-09-25 Thread Bill Dailey
It would be neat to drive one off a disciplined 16MHz synthesizer and compare. Bill Dailey > On Sep 25, 2015, at 1:40 PM, Jim Lux <jim...@earthlink.net> wrote: > > I ran 5 teensys in parallel, driven from the same Rb source for an hour.. > They track reasonably well.

Re: [time-nuts] algorithms and hardware for comparing clock pulses

2015-09-25 Thread Bill Hawkins
The role of the diode is to break the current path to the cap when S1 shorts the current to ground when PPS 2 occurs. With the diode, S1 does not short the cap to ground. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Alex Pummer Sent

Re: [time-nuts] algorithms and hardware for comparing clock pulses

2015-09-25 Thread Bill Hawkins
with proportional terms such as PID do a better job with a linear error signal, unless the thing being controlled (crystal frequency) is so nonlinear that the integral term does most of the work. Wish I could do the experiment, but no longer have a lab. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] timestamps on downconverted data streams

2015-12-20 Thread Bill Byrom
tic adjustment of amplitude and phase flatness, as well as group delay. These models have a wideband (25 to 165 MHz depending on option) acquisition system as well as a narrowband (about 312 kHz) IF system, and these are automatically aligned. -- Bill Byrom N5BB On Sun, Dec 20, 2015, at 04:42

Re: [time-nuts] Anybody who can record last Loran-C transmissions ?

2015-12-19 Thread Bill Byrom
Europe. ;) -- Bill Byrom N5BB On Sat, Dec 19, 2015, at 05:10 PM, Lizeth Norman wrote: > That's what I said. 61.44MS/s. This thing is a fire hose. > Saturate a usb 3.1 without much problem. > Gotta love computing! > > On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 5:01 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp <p...@phk.f

Re: [time-nuts] timestamps on downconverted data streams

2015-12-20 Thread Bill Byrom
and digital filtering delay acquired signals, so you have to correct for the group delay in these operations. -- Bill Byrom N5BB On Sun, Dec 20, 2015, at 08:40 AM, Jim Lux wrote: > Here's an interesting problem. > > You have a fast sampler that is collecting samples off-the-air (e.g.

Re: [time-nuts] Abstract for consideration at 2016 New Mexico TechFest

2015-12-29 Thread Bill Byrom
! -- Bill Byrom N5BB On Tue, Dec 29, 2015, at 08:12 PM, Will wrote: > > That sure beats a BC21 that many hams (and Post Office Techs) used long > ago. > > So long ago Google doesn't  want to help and memory has faded over half > a cen

Re: [time-nuts] KD2BD WWVB receiver/decoder in QEX

2015-11-22 Thread Bill Byrom
path between Ft Collins CO and your location is fully dark), since that is when the signal is strongest and tends to have a more stable phase. WWVB clocks can get UTC with an uncertainty of about 100 microseconds, according to NIST: http://www.nist.gov/pml/div688/grp40/wwvb.cfm -- Bill Byrom N5BB

Re: [time-nuts] LIGO detects gravitational waves

2016-02-13 Thread Bill Hawkins
If it were possible for time nuts to measure time differences to 10E-21, could they have seen the effects of the gravity wave? Bill Hawkins ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman

Re: [time-nuts] LIGO detects gravitational waves

2016-02-13 Thread Bill Hawkins
the universe - well, not if mass and energy are conserved. Or did the wave contain all of the radiated energy? Disclaimer: My field of study was not physics. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: Bob Stewart Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 2:35 PM Hi Tom, Thanks for posting this. I'm

[time-nuts] Prologix_GPIB vi

2016-02-01 Thread Bill Reed
suggestions? Bill Reed --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus HP3325A_HP3478A_Sweep.vi Description: Binary data ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https

Re: [time-nuts] moon bounce for synchronization

2016-01-30 Thread Bill Hawkins
And on the top left, a fan-fold paper printer for the data. Imagine handling all of that data manually instead of getting it in a disk file. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: Jeremy Nichols Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 12:43 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Inside a CTS 1960017 OCXO

2016-02-28 Thread Bill Byrom
completely. Single point ground systems are usually a good idea. -- Bill Byrom N5BB On Sun, Feb 28, 2016, at 12:22 PM, Adrian Godwin wrote: > Could it be microphonic capacitors, or the crystal itself ? > Have you got a big old heavy power supply with a buzzing transformer on > your

Re: [time-nuts] Newbie questions

2016-01-27 Thread Bill Byrom
rather old non-RF measurement instruments. That oscilloscope was introduced 27 years ago and many repair parts have not been available for many years. I own some much older Tektronix scopes and other equipment, but don't use oscilloscopes for general purpose RF measurements. https://en.wikipedia.org

Re: [time-nuts] LIGO detects gravitational waves

2016-02-13 Thread Bill Beam
The ring-down is due to the combined BH ringing down from oblate to spherical and rotateing while ringing. The wave contains most of the lost mass/energy. There likely was also EM energy radiated from the surrounding BH disks, but not observed here. Bill\ NL7F On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 17:34:45

Re: [time-nuts] LIGO detects gravitational waves

2016-02-15 Thread Bill Byrom
. -- Bill Byrom N5BB On Sun, Feb 14, 2016, at 02:26 PM, Paul Boven wrote: > Hi PHK, everyone, > > On 2016-02-14 0:30:22, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >> >> In message <1E75A9592178425ABD11390EB725D060@pc52>, "Tom Van Baak" writes: >> &g

Re: [time-nuts] Another GPSDO quirk - KS-24361

2016-02-16 Thread Bill Beam
running a KS-24361 pair as stand alone units, each with its own GPS reciever and an LTE-Lite. Regards Bill, NL7F On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 01:58:16 -0800, Hal Murray wrote: >http://users.megapathdsl.net/~hmurray/time-nuts/GPSDO/KS-volt-2016-Feb-14.png >The red dots are the DAC voltage. >

Re: [time-nuts] quartz thermometers

2016-03-11 Thread Bill Hawkins
. It may be that the triple point of water does not have the certainty to reach '0.0001C' Disclaimer: I only worked with industrial sensors from Rosemount, Inc. as an employee. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: Alan Ambrose Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 11:42 AM Hi, I hope this is still

Re: [time-nuts] When does NIST change to DST?

2016-03-13 Thread Bill Byrom
shows the illumination of the Earth at various points in the Earth's orbit and rotation (time). For example: http://www.time.gov/images/xearths/1S/96S.jpg http://www.time.gov/images/xearths/23N/180N.jpg -- Bill Byrom N5BB On Sun, Mar 13, 2016, at 01:50 PM, James Flynn wrote: > <jm

[time-nuts] HP 5061 available, southern NH

2016-03-08 Thread BIll Ezell
...@quackers.net. Thanks, Bill -- Bill Ezell -- The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck will be the day they make vacuum cleaners. Or maybe Windows 10. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] Building a mains frequency monitor

2016-04-06 Thread Bill Hawkins
, that is. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Jay Grizzard Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 8:22 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Building a mains frequency monitor Since it seems to be a week for new projects

Re: [time-nuts] Fast risetime pulse generator

2016-04-13 Thread Bill Byrom
e unit price is about $299: http://www.analog.com/media/en/technical-documentation/evaluation-documentation/310187823ADCMP572_3_80_1_2EB_0.pdf -- Bill Byrom N5BB On Tue, Apr 12, 2016, at 09:51 PM, Rob Sherwood. wrote: > I have both HP and Tektronix pulse generators.  Neither are > expensi

[time-nuts] Fast risetime pulse generator

2016-04-12 Thread BIll Ezell
ify that the obvious answer is the correct one. I clearly need to be very careful about the inductance. Thanks, Bill -- Bill Ezell -- The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck will be the day they make vacuum cleaners. Or maybe Windows

Re: [time-nuts] Building a mains frequency monitor

2016-04-10 Thread Bill Hawkins
. The science fair folks got enough interesting data without all that, but the precision is not known. The link didn't have any reference to code at all. This is a way of looking at frequency variations with natural causes that does not require expensive equipment, if done right. Bill Hawkins

Re: [time-nuts] Reliability of atomic clocks

2016-03-27 Thread Bill Hawkins
with industrial process control systems, anyone who needed reliability used redundancy, and hoped that the fail-over software would work. When safety was a concern triple redundancy was used with 2 of 3 voting for output values. FWIW Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: Rob Sherwood. Sent

Re: [time-nuts] Old xtal filter

2016-03-06 Thread Bill Hawkins
that with a 10 CPS bandwidth filter. A mechanical servo tuned the heterodyne oscillator to hold 100 KC. It was a marvel of technology at the time. Didn't use the Knights filter, though. Possibly the heaviest converter Collins built. Had 44 tubes. Had one once, but time passes. Bill Hawkins -Original

Re: [time-nuts] Advise on building a DIY GPSDO?

2016-04-03 Thread Bill Hawkins
oscillators for the short time constant accuracy that is not available from Rubidium. Good fortune. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: Nicolas Braud-Santoni Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 5:04 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Advise on building a DIY GPSDO? Hi, I've been slowly

Re: [time-nuts] Advise on building a DIY GPSDO?

2016-04-05 Thread Bill Hawkins
that is not possible for volts, amps, and ohms. It's exciting stuff, and correspondingly difficult. FWIW Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: Alexander Pummer Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 4:49 PM Building it cost you time and money, most likely much more than to buy, but you gain

Re: [time-nuts] GENIUS by Stephen Hawking (PBS TV), with 5071A cesium clocks

2016-05-19 Thread Bill Hawkins
a significant fraction of a second per year; it's the principle of the thing. :-) Bill Hawkins ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] Simple solution for disciplining OCXO with 1 PPS

2016-05-22 Thread Bill Hawkins
PPS that has enough volts/degree to provide a useful error signal to the motor controller. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bernd Neubig Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 12:41 PM To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency

Re: [time-nuts] Temperature controlled TCVCXO

2016-05-14 Thread Bill Hawkins
Note that the 3450B has an accuracy of 10E-5. You're probably looking for something a lot better than that. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: David Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 8:28 PM On Fri, 13 May 2016 11:38:06 -0500, you wrote: >David wrote: >> I was thinking o

Re: [time-nuts] What is "accuracy"? (newbie timenut, hi folks!)

2016-05-05 Thread Bill Hawkins
to some value of minutes per day or other counts per period of time. I've never really looked at Allan Deviation, but it seems to be a statistical method for displaying variations in accuracy with time. Perhaps ADEV is what you need. Regards, Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Fast risetime pulse generator

2016-04-15 Thread BIll Ezell
the diode turns of making a sharp edge. So the diode lifetime is important in relation to input drive frequency. For a sinewave drive the lifetime should be about 1/4 the period at the recommended drive level. -- Bill Ezell -- The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck

[time-nuts] HP 54542A calibration

2016-04-13 Thread BIll Ezell
. There are also an amazing number of ways to do triggering. -- Bill Ezell -- The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck will be the day they make vacuum cleaners. Or maybe Windows 10. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe

Re: [time-nuts] 1 PPS 50-ohm driver

2016-04-18 Thread Bill Byrom
or less, the reflection will end up causing a reduced risetime or ringing at the source. Your setup has a good source match which should keep re-reflection to a minimum, so there shouldn't be any significant re-reflection problems. -- Bill Byrom N5BB (Tektronix Application Engineer) On Sun, Apr

Re: [time-nuts] One sure way to kill your FE-5680A or FE-5650A (Hal Murray)

2016-06-09 Thread BIll Ezell
. Anything like that will have at least one corresponding power monitor chip with several supply voltage inputs and the appropriate delay. -- Bill Ezell -- The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck will be the day they make vacuum cleaners. Or maybe Windows 10

Re: [time-nuts] HP 106a oscillator connectors question

2016-06-03 Thread Bill Byrom
rs/Micro-2.html -- Bill Byrom N5BB On Fri, Jun 3, 2016, at 04:04 PM, cdel...@juno.com wrote: > Well the checkout of the 106A oscillator section is going well. > > I ran it for 6 hours and the outer oven came down OK, will have to > wait > until I can do a longer attend

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