Re: [time-nuts] nuts about position

2018-06-05 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , Mark Sims writes: >The effects of things like antenna position changing a couple of cm due to >expansion and humidity effects are swamped by the receiver accuracy and noise. Short term: Yes. Long term: No. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus

Re: [time-nuts] nuts about position

2018-06-05 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
me) and with only a single receiver the amount of input data is too low for such a crude algorithm. A more complex geometrical model could probably get more mileage out of the sparse data, as would tracking more birds than the 12 the M12 could track. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5372A TIA Question

2018-05-30 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
follow the procedure in the manual *exactly*. PS: I do not recall it being mentioned, but the 1 MOhm input pods are horribly unstable compared to the 50 Ohm input pods, which are basically just a stripline and a BNC connector. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freeb

Re: [time-nuts] A Request to the List

2018-05-22 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <59219f88-52bb-d127-29de-1ea0ccc2b...@febo.com>, John Ackermann N8UR writes: >It's much better to have one thoughtful post than a dozen written on the fly. See also: http://bikeshed.org -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@fr

Re: [time-nuts] Sawtooth correction: next or previous PPS

2018-05-22 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
oth and plot the result. If you get ugly spikes at the turning points of the "hanging bridges" you're doing it wrong. For the UT Oncore etc. it is predictive of the next 1PPS flank. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956

Re: [time-nuts] Cesium Clock Avialable

2018-05-19 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ping factory new CS-tubes *from* their factory, but not for shipping new or used tubes *to* their factory, because customers could not be trusted to pack according to spec. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD commit

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5372A

2018-05-11 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
If want to exploit what the 5372A can do in FMT-context, you should feed it the amplified and band-pass filtered RF (rather than some down-converted and otherwise mangled version of the signal) and capture timing of the actual zero-crossings and post-process that. -- Poul-Henning Kamp

Re: [time-nuts] Simon Winchester: The Perfectionists

2018-05-08 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ld be in full swing, and it was impossible to tell them apart, except for the tongueless and magical octiron bell of Old Tom in the Unseen University clock tower, whose twelve measured silences temporarily overruled the din. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebs

[time-nuts] Better quartz crystals with single isotope ?

2018-04-22 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
, see for instance from 03:35: https://archive.org/details/59554KrystallosCF But it is clearly beyond what I have time to persue. Do we know anybody in the quartz business who needs a really cool research project ? Poul-Henning -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p

Re: [time-nuts] Any guesses as to how Citizen is claiming ±1 second/year with using this AT-cut 8.4MHz XTAL?

2018-04-11 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
phase noise nor jitter matters, it is certainly feasible to measure the tempco of the X-tal at the factory and let a micro-power computer use temperature measurements to model the "perfect" frequency and phase. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org

Re: [time-nuts] Weird Stuff Warehouse shutting down

2018-04-07 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <8bcc9dcc-fa97-b531-d658-2051c094c...@bluefeathertech.com>, Bruce Lane writes: > Heh... So much for Google's favorite "Don't Be Evil" motto I wonder what happens when the googlers realize that they could have had WeirdStuff on their campus...

Re: [time-nuts] new longwave time service planned in India

2018-04-04 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
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Re: [time-nuts] quartz / liquid nitrogen

2018-04-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
our thermal noise as a source of PN, and dramatically so. But I doubt short and long term performance will improve. Even if you can find a zero-turnover cut at a convenient temperature, I don't think anybody know how to produce mK temperature *stability* at cryogenic temperatures ? -- Poul-Henning

[time-nuts] There goes LORSTA Jan Mayen

2018-03-20 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
http://jan.mayen.no/nyheter/destruksjon-av-loran-c-long-range-navigation/ -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency deviations in Europe affect clocks

2018-03-07 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
icture of this ? It would be wonderful to have for future discussions... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can

Re: [time-nuts] Replacement A9 boards for the HP 5065A

2018-03-04 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ble*, or he means "Dielectric Constant" in which case the number is physically impossible. [3] Because USSR wasn't very good at PTFE to begin with. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer |

Re: [time-nuts] Replacement A9 boards for the HP 5065A

2018-02-26 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
; wires for stress-relief worked just fine. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. _

Re: [time-nuts] Replacement A9 boards for the HP 5065A

2018-02-26 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
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Re: [time-nuts] "Super Rubidium" filter mod for PRS-10?

2018-02-25 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
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Re: [time-nuts] Replacement A9 boards for the HP 5065A

2018-02-24 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
s use. (Integrator >with a 50ms time constant.) The audiohomeopathy crowd claims to have PTFE/Teflon capacitors available in these kinds of sizes and I've been meaning to buy one just to see if it truly is PTFE or not, but list-prizes has nothing to do with reality. -- Poul-Henning Kamp |

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A super

2018-02-23 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
e company in the business spent an awful lot of money failing to get Cobalt to work, before somebody said "But wait, isn't that one of the magnetic elements ?" It now seems to become Wolfram instead. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 95

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A super

2018-02-22 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
HV with a +/-5V power supply. Offset voltage (stability) is a, if not the, *very* important parameter for the integrator. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malic

Re: [time-nuts] LED instead of discharge lamp for Rb vapor cell standards

2018-02-21 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
hard time seeing how you can not get worse S/N that way. If you want to do it with a LED, I think it needs to be a stabilized LED-Laser. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never

Re: [time-nuts] The "NAKED" 5065A optical unit

2018-02-21 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
e not even established if this voltage affects the HP5065 performance in the first place. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute t

Re: [time-nuts] The "NAKED" 5065A optical unit

2018-02-20 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
measure if it is gives better stability if I drive the lamp with constant current, constant power, constant voltage or constant photo-I... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Neve

Re: [time-nuts] Receiving the MSF time signal on cheap radio modules

2018-02-07 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
e, and I applied receiver 2's correction to both receivers to >generate this graph). Yes, these cheap "clock-receivers" vary a lot and they are usually also very temperature sensitive. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since

Re: [time-nuts] Anyone have experience with this antenna?

2018-02-07 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ere >is no perfect solution. Somebody at BIPM told me that their antennas were heated and thermostatically kept at constant temperature. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-taho

Re: [time-nuts] Anyone have experience with this antenna?

2018-02-07 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
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Re: [time-nuts] Receiving the MSF time signal on cheap radio modules

2018-02-06 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
hort or long, but it was a fair bit better than 20ms. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. _

Re: [time-nuts] Receiving the MSF time signal on cheap radio modules

2018-02-06 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
e transmitters is off and the other is on. >Has anybody looked for that sort of pattern? I have seen signs of that in my data in the shape of phase-shifts, and that sort of made me concentrate on DCF & LORAN. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org |

Re: [time-nuts] Receiving the MSF time signal on cheap radio modules

2018-02-06 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
n power having the DCF77 blame code running or not. After all, it's only sixty trival patterns to match once a second... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe N

Re: [time-nuts] Receiving the MSF time signal on cheap radio modules

2018-02-06 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
is that the power-modulation is carrier-synchronous, which makes them much easier to spot. So really: Get yourself an 1MSPS ADC chip and go that route instead. (In theory, certain modern sound-cards should be usable for this if you can rip out their low-pass filters. Havn't tried.) -- Poul-Hen

Re: [time-nuts] Receiving the MSF time signal on cheap radio modules

2018-02-06 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
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Re: [time-nuts] Receiving the MSF time signal on cheap radio modules

2018-02-06 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
f a '1' and '0' being confused is close to zero. That will get you minute lock, even with 70%-90% missing pulses, in a matter of minutes if you use a longer shift register. I did a parallel prototype for MSF, but I didn't need it so I never completed it, not sure I have it around any more. I should

Re: [time-nuts] Rakon HSO-14

2018-02-04 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
wafers already: https://www.micralyne.com/fabrication-capabilities/etching/ Would that open up any interesting possibilities, or is the simple cylinder slab by definition the best ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 Fr

Re: [time-nuts] Rakon HSO-14

2018-02-04 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
allenge. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ time-nuts ma

Re: [time-nuts] Rakon HSO-14

2018-02-03 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
s - how big is your crystal. Well, they appearantly make a mouth-full at a time, so that is covered... I don't think the dentist machines are precise enough though, as I understood it, the state-of-the-art stuff has built in laser-interferrometers etc. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20

Re: [time-nuts] Rakon HSO-14

2018-02-03 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
I can borrow one of those machines, but... The prices mentioned were not prohibitive in the context, you would break even well before a thousand units at the prices mentioned. Poul-Henning [1] Surprising to me is that modern dentists are highly kitted for CNC-ing very hard ceramic materials at hig

Re: [time-nuts] minimalist sine to square

2018-01-20 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ing signal. Yes, but that doesn't give you galvanic isolation, which I think is almost mandatory unless it is a metrology situation. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never

Re: [time-nuts] minimalist sine to square

2018-01-19 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ware that specs are for balanced input signals, if you tie one of the inputs to a threshold voltage, published specs may not apply, in particular speed. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-

Re: [time-nuts] minimalist sine to square

2018-01-19 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ed with that, I used a small transformer to balance the signal and then into LVDS receiver through a voltage divider. Worked well, but I didn't measure the jitter, it was just for a micro-controller. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since

Re: [time-nuts] Stable32 now available

2018-01-03 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ath mathematical software. Yes, "Trust but verify" :-) -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adeq

Re: [time-nuts] Stable32 now available

2018-01-03 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
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Re: [time-nuts] Stable32 now available

2018-01-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <d5ecc3fb-ecaa-875f-f599-4b484d33b...@rubidium.dyndns.org>, Magnus D anielson writes: >If we rather focused on maintaining and extent it into the >future, that would be a great way to take care of the heritage. I can >see myself contributing to that. Ditto. -

Re: [time-nuts] TAPR "PulsePuppy" Pot Selection

2017-12-24 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ome equipment. Or simply that you are too impatient and your previous correction has not fully been effected yet. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to m

Re: [time-nuts] TAPR "PulsePuppy" Pot Selection

2017-12-24 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
anything close to 1PPM trimpots, hunt eBay for "ESI dekapot" -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be

Re: [time-nuts] ergodicity vs 1/f

2017-12-18 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ave kept me busy with other things, so I'll happily pass this ball to anybody else who might want a go... Poul-Henning -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice wha

Re: [time-nuts] Performance verification for time counters

2017-11-30 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
. Most carrier frequency facilities had bottom frequencies in the 50kHz area or higher. Bob brought up the sub-Hz stuff, I pressume he knows what it is used for. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD

Re: [time-nuts] Performance verification for time counters

2017-11-30 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
os)1 Hz …. >great way to waste a lot of time. Sorry, I don't see the challenge: HP3458A in sampling mode, careful cabling, done. At RF frequencies where you have to think about impedance however... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TC

Re: [time-nuts] Performance verification for time counters

2017-11-29 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
t ... No consultants were involved, they did it in mass production at WE. Remember, they needed thousands of repeaters per *coax* and there were handfulls of coax'es in each cable. This is the relevant article about the amplitude: https://archive.org/details/bstj53-10-1935

Re: [time-nuts] Performance verification for time counters

2017-11-29 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
tells the 3336 to step 4kHz up to the next channel. The crucial trick is that the 3336 produces the exact same output level for all 10800 channels. See: HPJ May 1980. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer

Re: [time-nuts] Performance verification for time counters

2017-11-29 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <5e3f68620fdb8f2e5d62e9907a44c6eb.squir...@email.powweb.com>, "Chris Caudle" writes: >On Wed, November 29, 2017 3:51 pm, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >> While it is tempting and probably easiest to use a DDS style >> generator, I recommend a sy

Re: [time-nuts] Performance verification for time counters

2017-11-29 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <f413435c-c5a8-4cc4-9912-2ac7e7662...@radioengineering.com>, Andy ZL3AG via time-nuts writes: >HP 5359A Time Synthesiser? If we're only talking 1PPS timestamping and nothing better and more flexible is available, then yes. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Z

Re: [time-nuts] Performance verification for time counters

2017-11-29 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
one instead, to avoid trouble with numeric spurs. The HP3336 with its outstanding level-control is a much overlooked bargain for this kind of stuff. Poul-Henning -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer

Re: [time-nuts] Some more info on the 5065A optical unit

2017-11-27 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <2b66d682-15cf-465f-9a34-d7f7e7929...@n1k.org>, Bob kb8tq writes: >Straight cardboard *is* an issue on RF coils in humidity. The C-field coil is DC only. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 95

Re: [time-nuts] New ISO8601 ?

2017-11-23 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <4bec82c4-583e-4632-8589-d898cc2bd...@n1k.org>, Bob kb8tq writes: >I had never realized there was a format for expressing “I think it was 1967 >but it’s >all a bit of a blur”. I think that is one of the major reasons for the revision. -- Poul-Henning Ka

[time-nuts] New ISO8601 ?

2017-11-23 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Seems there is an ISO8601 revision in progress ? https://www.loc.gov/standards/datetime/ -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately

Re: [time-nuts] HP5065A C-field mods and optical unit mods

2017-11-21 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
s package. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ time-nuts mai

Re: [time-nuts] HP5065A C-field mods and optical unit mods

2017-11-20 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
eater than 1PPM on that current when driven from a >fixed voltage thru a resistor. > >Does anyone use current drive? The standard circuit is current drive... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD s

[time-nuts] AD9544 clock chip

2017-11-12 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
This beast may have some interesting uses: http://www.analog.com/en/products/clock-and-timing/clock-generation-distribution/clock-synchronization/ad9544.html -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer

Re: [time-nuts] Room temperature control (was: Holdover, RTC for Pi as NTP GPS source)

2017-11-01 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
t;wash" it away in airflow with much higher energy content, as is typically done in clean-rooms. That still leaves you with the thermal radiation imbalance from the higher temperature of the human skin, which is why "nano" laboratories sometimes are kept at an uncomfortably warm temperat

Re: [time-nuts] NTP linked PC clock is slightly ahead of Lady Heather GPS time

2017-10-12 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
r the potential for people to attach wires to the PC-speaker as a means to get an electrical signal also. These days the speaker is almost the last usable interface for this. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD commit

Re: [time-nuts] Novatel Dual frequency GNSS receivers on ebay

2017-10-09 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
he case. I don't know if they have firmware revs focused on timing, but even if they do, the hardware for the PPS output doesn't seem particularly well geared towards real-time uses, but more for post-factum correction. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org

Re: [time-nuts] Another LORSTA mast bites the dust...

2017-10-04 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
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[time-nuts] Another LORSTA mast bites the dust...

2017-10-04 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
LORSTA Jan Mayen this time: http://jan.mayen.no/nyheter/loran-c-masten-gar-ned/ -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065 Meter readings after restoration and adjustments: 2nd Harmonic Problems ? (II)

2017-09-08 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
gt;All other readings are stable. >Rotating the knob back and forth restores the previous readings. >I am considering a fault in the 137 MHz circuitry. It can also be the synth which bounces up and down in frequency if the delay-line has drifted. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065 Meter readings after restoration and adjustments: 2nd Harmonic Problems ?

2017-09-08 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
e same place on the scale, it is probably a mechanical issue in the meter, if it is all over the scale it could be the rotary switch which selects what the meter shows. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | B

Re: [time-nuts] Atomic clocks and Wassenaar agreement

2017-08-20 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
> revision will read the far more sensible: "Non-rubidium *or* >> having ..." > >Yes, singling out Rubidium is kind of weird. I see that rule as a way to carve out telco-class rubidiums, and that's why I think "or" would make much more sense than "a

Re: [time-nuts] Atomic clocks and Wassenaar agreement

2017-08-20 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <20170820120742.c48c69758cc9fa4856ab0...@kinali.ch>, Attila Kinali writes: >On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 08:50:59 +0000 >"Poul-Henning Kamp" <p...@phk.freebsd.dk> wrote: > >> >Bob your right its interesting that the sales locations are

Re: [time-nuts] (no subject)

2017-08-20 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
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Re: [time-nuts] Can I haz an anti-hydrogen maser now?

2017-08-05 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
se DC signal :-) -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ time-

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 156, Issue 35 (5065A Pwr Xfmr - Too high output voltage)

2017-07-29 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
you are a very impatient person. It is also, as I understand it, the primary reason for fried out OCXOs... See also: http://phk.freebsd.dk/hacks/HP5065A/20150925_ocxo_preheat/index.html -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since

Re: [time-nuts] 5065A - Looking for AC XFMR PAECO 9100-2742 specification

2017-07-27 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
/HP5065A/20150930_dcdc/index.html -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. __

Re: [time-nuts] A milestone approaches

2017-07-12 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
em here in Denmark back when 1e9 seconds rolled around :-) -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequat

Re: [time-nuts] J06 HP-59992A time interval calibrator for HP-531xx counters

2017-07-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
s got shipped back to the manufacturer. He suspected that back at the manufacturer, the "Really good" got a "MIL-GRADE" stamp :-) -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-taho

Re: [time-nuts] J06 HP-59992A time interval calibrator for HP-531xx counters

2017-07-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
disk drives: Measurement of jitter of mechanical origin must happen on the analog side of the differential read amplifier, which usually balances a couple of volts up for cost reasons. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeB

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B Question / help needed

2017-07-01 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
the switch set to START COM. Oddly enough I get the same 15 ns with >the switch set to SEP, and going through a 6 ft cable between start and >stop. Have you checked the trigger polarities ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC

Re: [time-nuts] Power Connectors and D-Subs...

2017-06-25 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <1317347843.1873959.1498418740...@mail.yahoo.com>, Ulf Kylenfall via time-nuts writes: >Why not take a look at mixed D-Sub connectors? Because they cost a fortune ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP sinc

Re: [time-nuts] uC ADC resolution (was: Poor man's oven)

2017-06-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
te/adjust the analog circuitry with DAC's set (infrequently) by a uC. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequatel

Re: [time-nuts] uC ADC resolution (was: Poor man's oven)

2017-06-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ly need 14 bits. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ ti

Re: [time-nuts] uC ADC resolution (was: Poor man's oven)

2017-06-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
levant to point out that, as *always* the 'I' term should not be enabled until the P(ID) *output* is no longer clamped. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice

Re: [time-nuts] uC ADC resolution (was: Poor man's oven)

2017-06-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
T += T0_offset; T *= T0_scale; return (T); } abort("You have problems..."); } -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer

Re: [time-nuts] backfill

2017-06-09 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
rator pale in comparison to having a handful of smaller generators in parallel. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to

Re: [time-nuts] Poor man's oven

2017-06-06 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
k-in amplifier. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Poor man's oven

2017-06-06 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
terior temperature, which I should prefer ? Disregard aging of electronics and materials, we all know that stuff, what I'm interested in is at which exterior temperature OCXO ovens work best ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956

Re: [time-nuts] Temperature sensors and quartz crystals (was: HP5061B Versus HP5071 Cesium Line Frequencies)

2017-06-05 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ocouples in high temperature is platinum, which is horribly expensive by comparison and more prone to noise than thermocouples. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute t

Re: [time-nuts] Temperature sensors and quartz crystals (was: HP5061B Versus HP5071 Cesium Line Frequencies)

2017-06-05 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
the frequency difference between two free-running silicon oscillators with different physical design. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can

Re: [time-nuts] Fwd: HP5061B Versus HP5071 Cesium Line Frequencies

2017-06-04 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
perature measurement" :-) -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.

Re: [time-nuts] Fwd: HP5061B Versus HP5071 Cesium Line Frequencies

2017-06-03 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
t exist either. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resistance_thermometer#History -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be exp

Re: [time-nuts] Fwd: HP5061B Versus HP5071 Cesium Line Frequencies

2017-06-03 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
if you use them for mixed cooling/heating. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incomp

Re: [time-nuts] Next Aug 21 eclipse and time flow

2017-05-29 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
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Re: [time-nuts] Next Aug 21 eclipse and time flow

2017-05-29 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ock. Since any physicists at NIST will be keenly aware of the Nobel Prize dangling in front of any competently measured effect, I think we can trust them to be on the ball :-) -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer

Re: [time-nuts] HP 1820-0313 4.2V Logic (Flip-flop)

2017-05-16 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
testhat could be suitable? I did a divider board for the LED clock: http://phk.freebsd.dk/hacks/HP5065A/20160112_working_clock/index.html -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-

Re: [time-nuts] Counter Internal Oscillator Importance with External Reference?

2017-05-09 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
this time. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Counter Internal Oscillator Importance with External Reference?

2017-05-09 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
DC, common mode and differential mode. Isolation >amplifier should be part of the arsenal. EMI is part of it, but there raw synchronism is a significant source of systematic errors because the "noise" is no longer gaussian. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org

Re: [time-nuts] Counter Internal Oscillator Importance with External Reference?

2017-05-09 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ng the counters internal, undisturbed timebase. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained

Re: [time-nuts] Anthorn eLoran

2017-05-09 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <a3865.7ccf4f2a.4642c...@aol.com>, GandalfG8--- via time-nuts writes: >Is anybody monitoring eLoran from Anthorn? I don't see it here in Denmark either. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD

Re: [time-nuts] Fwd: HP5061B High Ion Current/Tubes Out of Cesium

2017-04-07 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
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Re: [time-nuts] The ultraAtomic clock for home

2017-04-04 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
these products. They're probably based around one of C-max chips: http://www.c-max-time.com/products/showProduct.php?id=17 (This is the old Temic technology that has wandered all over the place...) -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/I

Re: [time-nuts] Single ended or differential input to TDC chip

2017-03-27 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
erformance, on future differential signals. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be expl

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