Re: [time-nuts] Replacement A9 boards for the HP 5065A

2018-02-24 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Not too long ago I designed an integrator for a piezoelectric force transducer. The customer wanted a rock-solid output after a step load on the transducer. The capacitor of choice was PPS, used in surface mount form and less than 0.5uF total capacitance. With a particular PCB material chosen fo

Re: [time-nuts] Slightly OT: interest in a four-output, ultra-low jitter, synthesizer block?

2018-01-25 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
The problem comes if the load current on the 1.8V regulator sees significant ups and downs. Think output regulator in particular. Might also happen with the digital core if major rollovers align and the core spikes. Those current changes get spread (admittedly reduced, too) by the bypass caps, r

Re: [time-nuts] Slightly OT: interest in a four-output, ultra-low jitter, synthesizer block?

2018-01-25 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
John, I appreciate your minimalist goal, but I'll second Bill's section about including the power supply voltage regulator and bypassing. Finding a good regulator with wideband line regulation/rejection could prove a real search, and such a fast chip as the Si5340 will need excellent broadband s

Re: [time-nuts] SI5328

2018-01-22 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
It might be possible to hand solder the 36-pin 0.5mm pitch QFN to this Schmartboard product: http://schmartboard.com/schmartboard-ez-qfn-36-pins-5mm-pitch-32-pins-65mm-pitch-2-x-2-grid-202-0043-01/ One question is would the die attach pad, which apparently needs grounding, get enough heat sinkin

Re: [time-nuts] minimalist sine to square

2018-01-21 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
How about using a single 8-pin DIP IC that is under $2.50? The Microchip MIC4422AYN "gate driver" takes a 3.3V signal in and produces a fast rail-to-rail output swing, with a 4.5V to 18V supply range. Typical output resistance is sub 1 Ohm, so not a problem driving a series back-terminated 50 O

Re: [time-nuts] Oscilloquartz OSA-4350 GPSDO

2017-12-31 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Mark, best to use an adjustable current (current-limited) supply preset to voltage regulate at 5V. That way you can have some control over the power dissipated on the PCB. If you can, borrow a thermal camera and look for the heat with that. (FYI our local library lends them out.) Without a therm

Re: [time-nuts] Simple open source microcontroller solution to tune DDS needed

2017-12-13 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
For quite some time (most of the last 10 years) Elektor magazine promoted BASCOM-AVR as an easy to use development language for the AVR micro. They have multiple books teaching BASCOM-AVR and a few hardware kits to go along. BASCOM-AVR is still available at https://www.mcselec.com/index.php?opt

Re: [time-nuts] Fast Rise/Fall Time Pulser

2017-10-11 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
>From https://www.maximintegrated.com/en/design/packaging/topmark/ the MAX3949 >is marked "AJK". I suspect BAA is some sort of date code. > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 at 2:28 PM > From: "Larry McDavid" > To: teksco...@yahoogroups.com, "Time-Nuts Mail List" , > "HP Aglient Reflector" > S

Re: [time-nuts] Switching regulator replacement for 7805

2016-12-05 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
In my experience the term ferrite bead is used more loosely today. Most "beads" that I've designed with were 100% machine placeable surface mount parts from smallish 0402 chips on up to 10A rated honkers. Admittedly any tubular "bead on wire" is not machine placeable in a surface mount oriented

Re: [time-nuts] Switching regulator replacement for 7805

2016-12-05 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Not impressed with the PCB layout, could have been much better. Input cap is too far from regulator, connected to ground via longish (inductive) skinny trace. Input might benefit from simple PI filter to reduce input ripple current. Output caps should each have their own via, maybe even two each

Re: [time-nuts] I love the smell of tantalum in the morning

2016-11-06 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
I tear off a short piece of solder and push it up against the part (with orangewood stick) before picking up the iron. Bob LaJeunesse > Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 at 7:17 PM > From: "Hal Murray" > To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" > > Cc: hmur...@megapathdsl.ne

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5275A

2016-11-06 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Adrian, Here's a picture of the package you have, with the TI logo on the "heatsink". I pulled it just now from an old car stereo. The PNP Germanium GC588 crosses - not correctly! - to a differently packaged NTE102A which is rated for 1A and 32V with some decent gain. I suspect the GC588 is clo

Re: [time-nuts] I love the smell of tantalum in the morning

2016-11-06 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Another admittedly low-budget way of heating both ends is to use a heat spreader. Solder a short piece of braid to one component end, fold it over the top of the part, and solder it to the other end. Heat the braid in the center, add solder until both ends are melted, and lift the combination of

Re: [time-nuts] 1PPS to 32.768 khz

2016-10-19 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
One needs to be careful when generating the 32.768KHz signal. If it's used to clock a PLL internal to the clock's microcontroller then providing a the right pulse count, at the wrong frequency and interrupted, could result in poor or no clock operation. If it drives the display multiplexing ther

[time-nuts] New PPB rated TCXO

2016-10-10 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
For general group information, as SiTime datasheet is not open to the public (yet?). https://www.sitime.com/products/precision-super-tcxo Actually a MEMS oscillator, comparison video against quartz TCXO is interesting. Claimed Key Features: - 30x better dynamic performance for macro cells, smal

Re: [time-nuts] HP-105B Battery Replacement?

2016-09-15 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Check with the used equipment / property disposition department of the nearest big research university. The one near me often has big UPSs at relatively little prices. Bob LaJeunesse > Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 7:12 PM > From: "Andy ZL3AG" > To: "Discussion of precise time and freq

Re: [time-nuts] Precision DACs

2016-07-27 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
The concept of track & hold was well understood in 1966 and documented in the classic Philbrick Researches amplifier application book, now available at http://www.analog.com/library/analogdialogue/archives/philbrick/computing_amplifiers.html Bob LaJeunesse > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 at 2:

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Thunderbolt GPSDO Troubleshooting

2016-03-27 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
> pins, and remove the whole darn thing (like Clint suggested). =P > > Thanks all! > > -Ryan Stasel > > > On Mar 25, 2016, at 12:52 , Robert LaJeunesse wrote: > > > > Personally I'd take a few minutes to look closer at the '232 chip with the >

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Thunderbolt GPSDO Troubleshooting

2016-03-25 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Personally I'd take a few minutes to look closer at the '232 chip with the scope. Are the charge pump caps swinging 5V p-p and 10V p-p? if not swinging at all, trash the chip. Is -V pin voltage about equal to the negative of the +V pin? If so, that's OK. If not might have an output shorted, or a

Re: [time-nuts] Need tiny 5MHz 10x amplifier

2015-11-29 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
>From the data sheet it looks like a megohm range bias resistor is needed (X1 >to X2) as well as the blocking / coupling cap. Robert LaJeunesse > Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 at 5:15 PM > From: "Cash Olsen" > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: Re: [time-nuts]

Re: [time-nuts] ACAM GP22 Chip

2015-11-24 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
If the goal is to create two signals consistently spaced near 70us apart why not use a good, fast 8-bit serial-in, parallel out shift register, clocked cleanly at 100kHz? Using the outputs from stages 1 and 8 would result in a 70us delay between signals. The data in would be fed 100KHz divided b

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent RTFG-u DE-9 connectors

2015-10-09 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Looks like what I call a slide latch https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1CAACAC_enUS590US590&es_sm=122&biw=1366&bih=631&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=d-sub+slide+latch&oq=d-sub+slide+latch&gs_l=img.12...0.0.0.208917.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0.ccynfh...0...1..64.img..0.0.0.kopFXhwkvbM Readily available parts at DigiKe

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for ECL divide by 3 with symmetry

2015-09-27 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
IIRC one would use a divide by 4 circuit with the final output feeding back to an exclusive-or gate through which the (square wave) source clock passes. The ex-or effectively adds a clock edge to the divide by four, making it divide by three. It also changes the effective clock edge, so the fina

Re: [time-nuts] algorithms and hardware for comparing clock pulses

2015-09-21 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
The Teensy 3.1 (http://www.pjrc.com/store/teensy31.html ~$20) has a Flex Timer Module that appears to allow a single counter to be captured into independent registers from independent inputs. Not sure, but PJRC tends to run the clock fast (96MHz) so relative timing resolution should be much bett

Re: [time-nuts] Lab upgrade

2015-07-28 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
One of the cheap and dirty ways to find a short is current tracing. Use a voltage and current limited source and a matching detector to find where the current flows. I've used a current limited DC supply as the source and, for the detector, an old DVM with 10uV resolution. For an AC approach a s

Re: [time-nuts] Obscure HP T/F instruments in ebay.fr

2015-03-20 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
While it may not be time-nut centric there is a great museum in Michigan that has collections of both clocks and technology, along with a couple Stradavarius violins and machinist tools used by Mr. Daimler. The Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn, MI has been actively enlarging their technology collec

Re: [time-nuts] MIT 2 inch cesium fountain, optically pumped

2014-11-24 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
I use an older XP based "drag and drop freeware PDF unlocker" that strips many PDF restrictions. It made the file below quite printable. Bob L. > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 at 9:05 AM > From: "Mark Kahrs" > To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" > > Subject: Re: [tim

Re: [time-nuts] Digital Mixing with a BeagleBone Black and D Flip Flop

2014-10-14 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Using 74AC parts on what I think of as a pluggable breadboard (e.g. http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?SKU=2295705&MER=bn-me-ca-r1-best-sto-5) is asking for trouble. The parts are RF fast and the pluggable board has not very good contact resistance and certainly more inductance a

Re: [time-nuts] Help identifying a display board

2014-10-08 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Sure looks like Leeds & Northrup to me. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Leeds-and-Northrup-Light-Beam-Galvanometer-2430-C-/281460565063?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item41885b6447 Bob L. > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 at 2:41 PM > From: "Dan Veeneman" > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: [time-nuts]

Re: [time-nuts] Cutler NAA on 24.0kHz....

2014-08-17 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
It's simple, but not obvious. The LM3900 is a Norton amplifier, and while it has differential inputs they are current driven. (Most older op amps are voltage driven.) The LM3900 is powered from 10V, so I think of that as just above the maximimum output voltage. Both the upper amplifier and the s

[time-nuts] Fw: Re: Cutler NAA on 24.0kHz....

2014-08-17 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
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Re: [time-nuts] Tektronix TM500 extender cable kit

2014-08-06 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
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Re: [time-nuts] Tektronix TM500 extender cable ki

2014-08-04 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
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Re: [time-nuts] Interesting frequency standard project

2014-07-04 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Details of the DCF77 project, including source code, can be seen without an Elektor subscription / membership. The article's author has specifics posted at http://www.marvellconsultants.com/DCF Bob LaJeunesse  > > From: Alexander Pummer >To: Discussion of preci

[time-nuts] Time Nuts at Dayton Hamvention

2014-05-12 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Just a note that there will be some Time Nuts at the Dayton Hamvention this weekend. Don't be surprised to run into one or more at Flea Market spaces FW 1902/3/4/5. We'll have shade and chairs to sit yourself in. Bob LaJeunesse  p.s. Unless John Ackermann or Tom Holmes grabs it first I'll have

Re: [time-nuts] STEL 1173 datasheet

2014-05-07 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
The PLCC "plug" portion for an adapter can be had from at least one manufacturer for $36 US: http://www.ironwoodelectronics.com/catalog/Content/Drawings/PL-PLCC044-S-01FDwg.pdf Bob LaJeunesse > > From: Jason Rabel >To: time-nuts@febo.com >Sent: Wednesday, May

Re: [time-nuts] CMOS level difference for LTC6957-3 and AD9852

2014-04-25 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
AD was comparing apples and oranges. The LTC6957-3 has CMOS outputs, which go from 0.2V to Vdd-0.3V (with a 3mA load). Perhaps they were looking at the LTC6957-1 which is LVPECL and would have a rather small swing. The LTC6957-3 should drive the AD9852 if its requirements are as noted below. Bo

Re: [time-nuts] A small piece on HP's hydrogen maser in 1968

2014-02-24 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
When there are extraneous characters and a line feed added by some word wrapping I use this method:  1) "Forward" the email  2) delete the extra characters, getting the proper URL back 3) Copy the URL to the clipboard 4) Open browser and paste URL in After that, trash the "forward" email. The l

Re: [time-nuts] Fwd: Atmega?

2014-02-13 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
FWIW on the topic, since I've been doing some Arduino stuff of late. Bear in mind like many of you I'm not a software person, so that part doesn't come so easy to me. The $3.71 ebay board looks nice, but it's not an official Arduino design, and may not be well documented. All official Arduino b

Re: [time-nuts] Line Frequency

2014-02-10 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Do you intend to use this wall wart to power the circuit as well? I hope not, as a capacitor input rectifier scheme will result in decidedly non-sinusoidal current on the transformer secondary. Given a low-cost transformer with noticeable inductance and resistance the resulting waveform distorti

Re: [time-nuts] EFC divider resistors

2014-01-31 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Must be military prices. If using 5 PPM resistors in the build a reference much better than that isn't needed, especially if the temperature is somewhat controlled, like time nuts do. A commercial 3 PPM/C part, the LM4140A, is $4.54 each in singles. At 2.2uV p-p it's reasonably quiet as well. C

Re: [time-nuts] EFC divider resistors

2014-01-31 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Jellybean resistors can have a tempco in the 100s of PPM per degree C. Some precision resistors are as low as 25 PPM/C while really good resistors can be had at 5 PPM/C. Better yet look for a resistor array where part tracking is called out. Some arrays get below 5 PPM tracking so the division r

Re: [time-nuts] 24 hr clock movements...

2014-01-20 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Since most of those cheapo movements are a simple single-coil motor, energized with alternating polarity short pulses, it would seem that there is no need for a "24 hour" movement. You can just have your micro pulse it twice the normal period, but with the same as normal pulse width(s). Check ou

Re: [time-nuts] WWV/WWVH audio simulator?

2014-01-05 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
The US POTS is digitized at 8KHz sample rate, so Nyquist says the highest frequency you can accurately digitize is 4KHz. Allow some for a (fancy digital) filter and 3400Hz is about the best you can expect. As for T1, almost right. The 8K samples per second are u-law processed to 8 bits each for

Re: [time-nuts] Off-Topic Question -- German Composition Resistors

2013-11-21 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
If it had 4 color bands 2701 you are likely reading it backward. 1072 would be 10.7K Bob L. > > From: "brucekar...@aol.com" >To: time-nuts@febo.com >Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 1:11 PM >Subject: [time-nuts] Off-Topic Question -- German Composition Resist

Re: [time-nuts] Maxim DS1342

2013-11-11 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Many times the 32KHz oscillator is just used for ultra-low power rudimentary CPU timing, not so much for a "time of day" clock. The crystal gives more reliable timing than an RC delay, and the low power works fine for a "press to wake up" type application. Bob LaJeunesse >___

Re: [time-nuts] Surface Mount OCXO Questions

2013-10-31 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
A couple tricks I've learned along the way: 1) If using a switching supply is required to get a higher voltage, follow it with a good LDO to reduce the noise level. I've done this successfully for powering handheld radio microphones with built-in amplification, video amplifiers, and for operatin

[time-nuts] Article on linear regulator noise & reduction methods

2013-10-17 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
FYI. Addresses LM317 noise in a simple implementation, how to reduce it, and how it relates to other approaches and parts. Numerous graphs of noise voltage versus frequency can prove enlightening. http://www.edn.com/Home/PrintView?contentItemId=4422750 ___

Re: [time-nuts] Case for Rb Standard?

2013-09-27 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Actually the 5.25" drive case seemed like a better choice to me. I picked up an Iomega external optical drive in a plastic case for a few bucks. Hard to get open (hidden snap latches) but the plastic top was easy to machine with a Dremel tool and knife. After making a large rectangular hole in t

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Loop Lock Indicator

2013-09-21 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Bob, I would bump that base resistor up a lot higher, to load the FE-5680 less. The PN has enough gain it only needs about 0.3 mA base drive to work as intended. You'd get that with a 10K base resistor.    Bob LaJeunesse > > From: Bob Stewart >To: Time Nu

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Voltage?

2013-09-12 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Looking at the LM2596 datasheet the switch transistor saturation voltage is 1.5V max at 3A (1.16v typ). That and an educated guess of about 0.25V for inductor loss combine to set the minimum difference between input and output. The 1.23V reference is about +/-3% accurate, so after setting the "b

Re: [time-nuts] Modified Extron DA [WAS: Rb video]

2013-08-09 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
u trouble. >The peaking of the filter gives you a steeper cutoff at harmonic frequencies. >It rolls off just like any filter, but it starts from a higher peak. > >With the T you can do any Zin / Zout ratio provided the Q is high enough. If >you want to do low power, set it up as

Re: [time-nuts] Modified Extron DA [WAS: Rb video]

2013-08-09 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Bob, I need some education. For a low-pass filter I think series L and shunt C. For two inductors that normally means 2-3 capacitors.  If you use only one shunt capacitor is the second L in series with it (as a harmonic trap)? Can you point me to a design tool (or equation set) somewhere that sh

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 update

2013-07-25 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
FYI, The MPSA18RLRAG is a stock item at Digi-Key, min beta 500 at 1 & 10mA, 45V & 200mA rated, TO-92. $0.33 each. http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/MPSA18RLRAG/MPSA18RLRAGOSCT-ND/1139919 > > From: paul swed >To: Discussion of precise time and frequency

Re: [time-nuts] Spectrum Analyzer Suggestions

2013-07-15 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Rigol, unlike most of the Asian based manufacturers, does have a support office in the States. They have also had a noticeable presence at the Dayton Hamvention. I'm rather pleased with the low-end Rigol scope I bought at Dayton two years ago.  Bob LaJeunesse >___

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370B dropping mains voltage...

2013-07-06 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Marki, I used an old thyratron filament transformer from a computer tape drive to compensate for low line voltage in Detroit. Even though the transformer was rated 10A it ran our old room air conditioner just fine. From the core size it seemed more like a 200W transformer, and it never gave any

Re: [time-nuts] Good (cheap) PIC chip choice for project?

2013-05-25 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
For the original Arduino Uno the $30 cost may be true, but there are lots of other options in the Arduino family. The Pro Mini (https://www.sparkfun.com/products/3) is only $10, being that it uses an external serial to USB adapter (such as the https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9718). The $1

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Thunderbolt, any easy way to create 500 MHz reference from one?

2013-05-15 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Sorry to say the 6130A is an "all on one board" design. Not really suitable for extracting the multipliers. Shameless UN-plug: Another time-nutter has already taken the 6130A I was going to have at Dayton. Bob LaJeunesse From: Dave M To: time-nuts@febo.com S

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Thunderbolt, any easy way to create 500 MHz reference from one?

2013-05-15 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
If easy means a temporary lashup, takes but one piece of gear. The Ballantine 6130A time mark generator takes in 10 MHz, produces from it a synchronous 1Hz to 500MHz selectable in 1-2-5 steps. I've not tested mine for phase noise, probably not the best performer... but for $35 not a big concer

Re: [time-nuts] Atomic Watch.

2013-05-01 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
NB Note Bene literally "note well" per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nota_bene I think of NB as "keep in mind" From: Sarah White To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Sent: Wed, May 1, 2013 6:14:56 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Atomic Watch.

Re: [time-nuts] Time shown as two horizontal bars

2013-04-02 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
One needs to think of better resolution here. How about a mirror galvanometer? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Leeds-Northrup-Mirror-Galvanometer-/121086073505?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c314adaa1 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cambridge-Technology-6810P-517-Moving-Magnet-Optical-Scanner-Galvanometer-/1907

Re: [time-nuts] Photodiodes for high frequency OPLL

2013-03-30 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Maybe I'm jaded a bit, but in this town the sub-10GHz optical stuff is considered kinda slow. The guys down the street, Picometrix, have been doing 40+GHz optical receivers for over 15 years. They claim "1.5G to 100G and from 400nm to 1650nm" so probably they can help. http://www.picometrix.com/

[time-nuts] GPS usable for weather forecasting?

2013-03-29 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
FYI: Yet another use for GPS timing signals is proposed: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/28/a-marshall-mcluhan-approach-to-weather-forecasting/ ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mail

Re: [time-nuts] altinex switches

2013-02-21 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
I've been known to just stack a 150 Ohm 1% chip resistor on top of a 75 Ohm chip resistor to bring the result down to 50 Ohms. Beats having to 1) remove the old part, 2) clean up the pads, then 3) get the new one soldered down. Bob L. From: Arthur Dent To: "

Re: [time-nuts] How far can I push a crystal?

2013-01-23 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Hi Ed, Thanks, your explanation of single PLL helps. I see it now somewhat in the sense of "only have to BUILD a single PLL" to make things work. I can appreciate the simplified effort greatly. I also now think of the PLO as an oscillator locked to a tuned harmonic that (probably) comes from s

Re: [time-nuts] How far can I push a crystal?

2013-01-20 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Ed, busy weekend happening, delayed my response. Bob Camp's reply regarding the DFF was spot on, and your connections below are just what to do. When feeding a DFF with non-synchronous signals it's likely setup and hold times will be violated. When that happens oscillation is possible, but usual

Re: [time-nuts] How far can I push a crystal?

2013-01-18 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Ed, A DUH! (i.e. "why didn't I see it") moment. I'm too used to thinking with an analog RF hat when I follow Time Nuts. The DFF mix-down makes perfect sense, and clarifies to me some key points of your design. I would hope that for the down-mixer you are using two DFFs cascaded with the same c

Re: [time-nuts] How far can I push a crystal?

2013-01-18 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Ed, Please forgive me for commenting, but I can't seem to follow your math. I suspect there may be additional details you have not related, no big deal there. It doesn't help that I'm not familiar with the 8566B, and the manual I grabbed from Didier's site doesn't give me numbers that match up

Re: [time-nuts] Counter OCXO behaviour

2013-01-15 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
you are happy with. Bob - Original Message > From: Fabio Eboli > To: Robert LaJeunesse ; Discussion of precise time and >frequency measurement > Sent: Tue, January 15, 2013 10:04:37 AM > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Counter OCXO behaviour > > Robert, > I asked the

Re: [time-nuts] Counter OCXO behaviour

2013-01-15 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
re ebay #251211816860 the seller is one I've dealt with a few times before, and had excellent service. I would not hesitate to deal with them again. FWIW according to the US Post Office web site a 1 pound package to Italy ships for $11.60. Bob L. - Original Message > From: Fabio Eb

Re: [time-nuts] single board PCs

2013-01-07 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Take a look at the COM Express standard, designed for embedded x86 computing: http://www.picmg.org/v2internal/specifications2.cfm?thetype=One&thebusid=3 Additionally there is a huge amount of design support literature from Intel, Adlink, Ampro, Congatec, Kontron, Radisys, etc. COM Express boards

Re: [time-nuts] Grounding

2012-12-21 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
FWIW I've combined all 3 parts into one PDF and put them on KO4BB's great website. Look in Manuals 10) Recent Uploads for "Reference na na Other-EDN article SuccessfulPCBgrounding". Since my PDF did not have working links I used a zip file with a Word doc for the links. Another article that may

Re: [time-nuts] Noisy varactor diodes

2012-12-18 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Corby, FWIW many power rectifiers can be used as decent varactor diodes. The MV840 is nominal 100pF at 4V with at least a 2:1 ratio (2.18 typ) from 4 to 25V. The Vishay FGP50D-E3/54 is typically 100pF at 4V and drops to a shade below 50pF at 25V, or just over 2:1. Good news, it is in stock for

Re: [time-nuts] Synergy SSR-6TR

2012-12-14 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
David, Any chance you can buy it in your name and have it shipped somewhere in the States? That person then can forward it without losing their chance to get one as well. I have no experience shipping overseas but will second Bert's suggestion plus volunteer myself to do it, if need be. How can

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing PPS from 2 GPS units

2012-12-13 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
The indicated delay box is an unpowered device intended for timing composite video and fine-tuning for color burst phase match. As such they are analog in and out, require / expect defined source and load impedances (typically 75 Ohms), are slightly lossy, and 100% passive. I suspect they are pu

Re: [time-nuts] 31bit ADC, 1000 samples per second

2012-12-10 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
31 bits is just a convenient word size that comes out of the on-chip filter, and does not really relate to performance. Better to look at SNR which, at worst case, is 120dB in high-res mode. That indicates performance just under 20 bits, typical for better monolithic sigma-delta converters. Non

Re: [time-nuts] Switching oscillators

2012-12-09 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
It could be done cheaply with a small micro that is clocked by the device's TCXO and uses an internal timer to measure the external clock frequency (or external frequency divided by 10 or 16 if that better suits the timer capabilities). The micro, when satisfied the frequency is close enough fo

Re: [time-nuts] Stanford RS620 Acting up

2012-10-10 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
The SR620 I worked on was unused for a long time, and would not turn on. Seems the power switch was oxidized and would not self-clean. Had to unmount it so I could use chemical cleaners without getting any residue on the case or PCB. IIRC the whole front panel needed to be pulled to do that (not

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB PM Receiver

2012-09-26 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
That article is still alive: www.tinaja.com/glib/WWVBexps.pdf From: David McGaw To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Sent: Wed, September 26, 2012 10:58:00 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] WWVB PM Receiver   It's not a commercial unit.  As it s

Re: [time-nuts] RE; New Wrist watch

2012-09-12 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
If I recall correctly it was in RF Design magazine many years ago that a short article included a schematic for using an ultrasonic sensor and selective amplifier (narrowband PLL?) to pick up the 32KHz vibration and convert it to a measurable signal. I'd expect a normal microphone to pick up way

Re: [time-nuts] What's the easiest way to divide by 10 forThunderbolt reference output?

2012-07-24 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
A part like any the Cypress PSoC family is much more flexible (but potentially harder to program) than the PIC because it has hardware blocks that can be made to do very useful work independent of the processor. The processor can run on its internal RC oscillator while one digital block would ta

Re: [time-nuts] What's the easiest way to divide by 10 for Thunderbolt reference output?

2012-07-24 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Mine are not handy, so I'm not sure it has 50% output duty, but the Ballantine 6130A Time Mark Generator is a potential candidate. It's not much more than a chain of 7490 dividers fed from a 10MHz source, and has a (non-nut) ovenized oscilltor built in. Even has synchronized multipliers that go

[time-nuts] Time Nuts at the Dayton Hamvention

2012-05-12 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Those of you going to the Dayton Hamvention next weekend should be aware that there will be other Time Nuts (and a Volt Nut or two) to be found there. Don't be surprised if you see the Febo administrator himself relaxing in the flea market beside the trailer in spaces 1901-1904. If you go past,

Re: [time-nuts] SR-620 circuit schematic diagrams

2012-05-09 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Previous link did not seem to work, sorry. Look in: http://www.ko4bb.com/manuals/index.php?dir=05)_GPS_Timing/SRS And many thanks to KO4BB for his collection! Bob From: Антон Ботвинёнок To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 12:49:34 PM Subject: [time-

Re: [time-nuts] SR-620 circuit schematic diagrams

2012-05-09 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
http://www.ko4bb.com/Manuals/05)_GPS_Timing/SRS/SRS_SR620_Universal_Time_Interval_Counter_Schematics.pdf From: Антон Ботвинёнок To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 12:49:34 PM Subject: [time-nuts] SR-620 circuit schematic diagrams Hello! I have got

Re: [time-nuts] Antique Rb Standard - Thanks, Pictures, Parts Request, Question

2012-04-28 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Ed, nice pix, thanks. Looking at the Elko Varicon I have in hand (DXX455-1000-3) the contacts are essentially hermaphroditic. This chassis mount housing gives up its contacts fairly easily, just unbend a tab to release. Turn them 90 degrees and you have something that works like the mating PCB

Re: [time-nuts] SimpleLink CC44000 GPS Development Kit

2012-03-29 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
>From http://www.ti.com/tool/cc4000gpsem "GNS TC6000GN module and EM board"   At the GNS site I was able to get a TC6000GN-P1 data sheet and design guide.   Bob LaJeunesse From: Attila Kinali To: armstr...@sedsystems.ca; Discussion of precise time and frequency

Re: [time-nuts] Anyone familiar with SR-620 repair?

2012-03-23 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
HP once made a kit with DIP logic clip, logic probe, logic pulser, and current tracer. Pulser and tracer made finding shorts pretty easy. For the SR-620 you could disconnect the regulator and inject current pulses there, follow them around with current tracer. The same basic trick works given a

Re: [time-nuts] quartz crystal configuration in small cases

2012-03-13 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
See: http://softsolder.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/dsc00211-naked-crystals.jpg From: Attila Kinali To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tue, March 13, 2012 1:26:17 PM Subject: [time-nuts] quartz crystal configuration in small cases Hi, I have been reading up on quart

Re: [time-nuts] quartz crystal configuration in small cases

2012-03-13 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Figure 8 on page 7 of H-P app note 200-2 (www.leapsecond.com/pdf/an200-2.pdf) gives an idea for how HC-49/U strap-type parts are built, just with a smaller blank than you mention. Not sure what's in SMT parts, but they have used rectangular beam and fork structures for lower frequencies, at leas

Re: [time-nuts] Schematic capture, anyone?

2012-02-23 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Bruce, You are not alone. After 20 years of OrCAD, currently using 9.1, I agree completely. Eagle just seemed...weird. (I should add that I'm a RPN calculator fan - where one chooses data before selecting the operator.)  That said, I will probably learn to use Eagle, as that seems to be the dar

Re: [time-nuts] OT - Portable Digital 'scope

2012-02-23 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
FWIW Rigol pushes their 40MHz Analog Devices part to 100 MHz without any problem (seen in eevblog teardown). Yes it's sort of cheating, but if the part works fine because all of the suppliers parts now yeild that fast due to an improved process well, it saves a few dollars / quid / drachma...

Re: [time-nuts] OT - Portable Digital 'scope

2012-02-23 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Looks interesting, but... 1) The probe connectors are not the usual BNC. Are they anything common? 2) No mating cables or connectors provided for channels 3,4, and function generator output. 3) Function generator output will have significant DC bias and no anti-aliasing. 4) Does not appear to be

Re: [time-nuts] Removing thermal tape residue?

2012-02-11 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Try searching for "thermally conductive adhesive gap filler" to get a good selection of manufacturers like Bergquist, Chomerics, Masterbond, etc. From: John Ackermann N8UR To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Sent: Sat, February 11, 2012 1

Re: [time-nuts] Removing thermal tape residue?

2012-02-11 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
I've used WD-40 to soften adhesive gunk such that a paper towel can be used to wipe it off. From: John Ackermann N8UR To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Cc: Time-Nuts Sent: Sat, February 11, 2012 11:56:01 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Rem

Re: [time-nuts] GPS lock of the FE5680. Current experiment and question

2012-02-10 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
You don't. That's why the HC4046 has 3 phase comparators. Different strokes for different folks... From: Hal Murray To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Sent: Fri, February 10, 2012 9:35:01 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPS lock of the FE568

Re: [time-nuts] GPS lock of the FE5680. Current experiment and question

2012-02-10 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Sampling unsychronized signals with a DFF is problematic, since if setup and hold times are not met the output could oscillate and maybe settle to some noise driven value. I can't help thinking that if you are sampling the 10MHz signal at 1Hz the only way to get reasonable resolution is to sam

Re: [time-nuts] ANFSCD - Synchronizing time in home video recorders

2012-02-02 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
One can do many things with a small micro having programmable logic cells, such as the Cypress PSOC. For grins I worked out (via spreadsheet) how to use the PSOC digital divider blocks and the built-in clock PLL to get from 10MHz to 2.048MHz in a fairly precise manner. The scheme uses a divider

Re: [time-nuts] HP5328A LEDS driver transistor

2012-01-22 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Specifying the digit scan transistor is a bit tricky, and often power dissipation is just not a concern. Why? Consider the duty cycle. A transistor switching one amp (a LOT for 7+1 segments) with a 0.6V saturation dissipates 600mW, but only when on. Given a 1/8 duty cycle that's 75mW average. An

[time-nuts] LightSquared Claims Latest GPS Tests ‘Rigged’

2012-01-18 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
http://www.tvtechnology.com/article/lightsquared-says-government-gps-tests-%E2%80%98rigged/211388 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions th

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