[time-nuts] LightSquared

2012-10-16 Thread Erno Peres
The Saga just goes on...! INFO only. Rgds Ernie. Lightsquared Returns With New Proposal For GPS Fix October 4, 2012 The company asked the FCC to modify its license application so it can use its 5MHz of spectrum that haven’t caused GPS concerns. LightSquared, the now bankrupt

Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared questionfor SFO area....

2012-07-28 Thread GandalfG8
This is one well documented example of an earlier unintentional jamming incident. _http://www.gpsworld.com/gnss-system/signal-processing/the-hunt-rfi-776_ (http://www.gpsworld.com/gnss-system/signal-processing/the-hunt-rfi-776) Regards Nigel GM8PZR In a message dated 28/07/2012

Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared questionfor SFO area....

2012-07-28 Thread Brian, WA1ZMS
time will produce more date. -Brian, WA1ZMS -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of gandal...@aol.com Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 2:27 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared questionfor SFO area

Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared questionfor SFO area....

2012-07-28 Thread Ron Ward
of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared questionfor SFO area Nigel- I remember that event. This issue I'm remotely dealing with now seems to be limited to a specific local area bounded by a few km. So local QRM is possible. On Saturday the techs

Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared questionfor SFO area....

2012-07-28 Thread Said Jackson
identify a 3rd party vendor equipment problem. THANKS! -Brian, WA1ZMS -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lux Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 12:35 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared

Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared questionfor SFO area....

2012-07-28 Thread Craig S McCartney
] On Behalf Of Brian, WA1ZMS Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 6:43 PM To: Time-Nuts Subject: [time-nuts] Lightsquared questionfor SFO area Does anyone know if there is ANY recent active Lightsquared testing taking place in the SFO area of the US? I'm dealing with a day-job issue with GPS clocks

Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared questionfor SFO area....

2012-07-28 Thread Jim Lux
On 7/28/12 1:32 AM, Said Jackson wrote: We have about 25 different GPSDOs running from four cheap antennae on the roof in Los Gatos right next to Hwy 17, and have not noted any unusual outages at all, even during the recent solar flare. I guess any truckers with jammers on hwy 17 pass by so

Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared questionfor SFO area....

2012-07-28 Thread lists
: [time-nuts] Lightsquared questionfor SFO area Hi Brian: Would you please let me know which antennas they will be using and if this solves the problem? Thanks, Ron -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Brian, WA1ZMS Sent

[time-nuts] Lightsquared questionfor SFO area....

2012-07-27 Thread Brian, WA1ZMS
Does anyone know if there is ANY recent active Lightsquared testing taking place in the SFO area of the US? I'm dealing with a day-job issue with GPS clocks in the Bay Area showing GPS unlocked errors from 3rd party equipment. -Brian, WA1ZMS

Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared questionfor SFO area....

2012-07-27 Thread David I. Emery
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 09:42:49PM -0400, Brian, WA1ZMS wrote: Does anyone know if there is ANY recent active Lightsquared testing taking place in the SFO area of the US? I'm dealing with a day-job issue with GPS clocks in the Bay Area showing GPS unlocked errors from 3rd party

Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared questionfor SFO area....

2012-07-27 Thread Jim Lux
On 7/27/12 6:42 PM, Brian, WA1ZMS wrote: Does anyone know if there is ANY recent active Lightsquared testing taking place in the SFO area of the US? Very unlikely.. they've lost their experimental license. I'm dealing with a day-job issue with GPS clocks in the Bay Area showing GPS

Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared questionfor SFO area....

2012-07-27 Thread bownes
Interesting that they use jammers. The guys on the ambulances just wrap the antennas with the foil from burger wrappers or the like. On Jul 28, 2012, at 0:34, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 7/27/12 6:42 PM, Brian, WA1ZMS wrote: Does anyone know if there is ANY recent active

Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared questionfor SFO area....

2012-07-27 Thread Rex
I've had a graph logging on my HP3816A in San Jose. I see one big glitch on 7/27 ~17:00 UTC. I don't know if it unlocked, nor if it was from something received, or some jump in my hardware. Other than that one jump, I don't see anything unusual over the last week or so. There must be others

Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared questionfor SFO area....

2012-07-27 Thread Brian, WA1ZMS
- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lux Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 12:35 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared questionfor SFO area On 7/27/12 6:42 PM, Brian, WA1ZMS wrote: Does anyone know if there is ANY recent

Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared in the news again

2012-06-06 Thread DaveH
; they are not reliable. I also vote. -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gottlieb Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 17:11 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared

Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared in the news again

2012-06-06 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Chris wrote: Actually LightSquared is an investment firm. They don't make any technology product. The company is run by a banker. Had their plan worked they would have ben in effect a radio wholesaler buying from producers and sellers to retailers who would then sale to end users. They

Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared in the news again

2012-06-05 Thread Michael Blazer
: [time-nuts] LightSquared in the news again It's not a technology company if it has more lawyers than engineers. Mike On 6/4/2012 7:33 PM, Eric Williams wrote: Typical of technology companies that have more lawyers on staff than engineers. On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Tom Knoxact

Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared in the news again

2012-06-05 Thread Peter Gottlieb
? -Dave - Original Message - From: Michael Blazermbla...@satx.rr.com To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 7:44:26 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared in the news again It's not a technology company if it has more lawyers than engineers. Mike On 6/4/2012 7:33 PM

Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared in the news again

2012-06-05 Thread Chris Albertson
10:41 PM, d.sei...@comcast.net wrote: A law firm with a technology department? -Dave - Original Message - From: Michael Blazermbla...@satx.rr.com To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 7:44:26 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared in the news again It's

[time-nuts] LightSquared in the news again

2012-06-04 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
From today's communications news (fair use): LightSquared stressed its intention to deploy a nationwide 4G wireless broadband network, during a meeting with Angela Giancarlo, chief of staff to FCC Commissioner Robert McDowell. The commission has some legal and policy responses it can take to

Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared in the news again

2012-06-04 Thread Tom Knox
Lightsquared is like a cockroach every time you think it is dead it shows up again. Thomas Knox 1-303-554-0307 Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 19:25:22 -0400 To: time-nuts@febo.com From: charles_steinm...@lavabit.com Subject: [time-nuts] LightSquared in the news again From today's

Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared in the news again

2012-06-04 Thread Eric Williams
:22 -0400 To: time-nuts@febo.com From: charles_steinm...@lavabit.com Subject: [time-nuts] LightSquared in the news again From today's communications news (fair use): LightSquared stressed its intention to deploy a nationwide 4G wireless broadband network, during a meeting with Angela

Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared in the news again

2012-06-04 Thread paul swed
...@hotmail.com wrote: Lightsquared is like a cockroach every time you think it is dead it shows up again. Thomas Knox 1-303-554-0307 Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 19:25:22 -0400 To: time-nuts@febo.com From: charles_steinm...@lavabit.com Subject: [time-nuts] LightSquared in the news again

Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared in the news again

2012-06-04 Thread Michael Blazer
a cockroach every time you think it is dead it shows up again. Thomas Knox 1-303-554-0307 Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 19:25:22 -0400 To: time-nuts@febo.com From: charles_steinm...@lavabit.com Subject: [time-nuts] LightSquared in the news again From today's communications news (fair use): LightSquared

Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared in the news again

2012-06-04 Thread d . seiter
A law firm with a technology department? -Dave - Original Message - From: Michael Blazer mbla...@satx.rr.com To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 7:44:26 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared in the news again It's not a technology company if it has more lawyers

Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared Bankrupt

2012-05-16 Thread jim s
The FCC needs to bow to laws (physics) and properly protect the GPS spectrum. Despite pretty colored charts on the wall, the actual operation of some systems don't pay attention to the charts. A friend of mine put a UHF tv station on the air many years ago, and had the same problem, actually

[time-nuts] LightSquared going bankrupt

2012-05-15 Thread J. Forster
CHICAGO (MarketWatch) — LightSquared Inc. a venture of hedge-fund manager Philip Falcone was teetering on the verge of bankruptcy Sunday as talks with lenders to avoid going bust have faltered, The Wall Street Journal reports, citing unnamed sources. Reuters Hedge fund manager Philip Falcone,

Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared going bankrupt

2012-05-15 Thread Peter Gottlieb
Hopefully liquidation will follow soon. On 05/15/12, J. Forsterj...@quikus.com wrote: CHICAGO (MarketWatch) A-- LightSquared Inc. a venture of hedge-fund manager Philip Falcone was teetering on the verge of bankruptcy Sunday as talks with lenders to avoid going bust have

[time-nuts] LightSquared Bankrupt

2012-05-15 Thread John Darwin Powers
LightSquared Bankrupt, But Spectrum Void Still Beckons May 15, 2012By: Alan Cameronhttp://www.gpsworld.com/gps-world-author/alan-cameron-121 LightSquared, the company that mounted a powerful threat to GPS signals, declared bankruptcy on May 14, after losing a

Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared news

2012-02-15 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
I wrote: From today's telcom trade press: The FCC said late today that the International Bureau is proposing to vacate LightSquared, Inc.'s conditional authorization and indefinitely suspend its ancillary terrestrial component (ATC) authority in the wake of the National Telecommunications

Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared news

2012-02-15 Thread Peter Gottlieb
Let's hope they don't pull a SCO and keep it going for 10 years. Zombies get tiring. On 2/15/2012 10:25 PM, Charles P. Steinmetz wrote: I wrote: From today's telcom trade press: The FCC said late today that the International Bureau is proposing to vacate LightSquared, Inc.'s conditional

[time-nuts] LightSquared news

2012-02-14 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
From today's telcom trade press: The FCC said late today that the International Bureau is proposing to vacate LightSquared, Inc.'s conditional authorization and indefinitely suspend its ancillary terrestrial component (ATC) authority in the wake of the National Telecommunications and

[time-nuts] LightSquared Claims Latest GPS Tests ‘Rigged’

2012-01-18 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
http://www.tvtechnology.com/article/lightsquared-says-government-gps-tests-%E2%80%98rigged/211388 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions

[time-nuts] LightSquared’s Travails Mount...

2011-12-19 Thread Burt I. Weiner
This is worth reading: http://www.rwonline.com/article/lightsquareds-travails-mount/50851 Burt, K6OQK Burt I. Weiner Associates Broadcast Technical Services Glendale, California U.S.A. b...@att.net www.biwa.cc K6OQK ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared on FOX

2011-09-20 Thread Jose Camara
-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of li...@lazygranch.com Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:07 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared on FOX You might want to investigate Solyndra's technology, excluding

Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared on FOX

2011-09-20 Thread Chris Albertson
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Jose Camara camar...@quantacorp.com wrote: I wish we'd get an itemized statement for our tax money, You can. But the list is huge so they made a web site were you can search for small items or get a summary so as not to have to read a phone book sized document

[time-nuts] LightSquared on FOX

2011-09-19 Thread J. Forster
Phillip Falcone was just on FOX News Channel being grilled. To hear him tell it GPS interferance is all a political campaign by the GPS industry. He said that LightSquared has set aside $60M for interferance issues. Somehow, that seems pitifully inadequate. First LORAN-C Now GPS WWV and WWVB

Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared on FOX

2011-09-19 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
Fox News may be Fair and Balanced, but their on air talent are not EEs. http://www.gpsworld.com/gnss-system/news/rally-organized-protest-potential-gps-band-interference-lightsquared-12073 On 09/19/2011 11:32 AM, J. Forster wrote: Phillip Falcone was just on FOX News Channel being grilled. To

Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared on FOX

2011-09-19 Thread J. Forster
I never said they were. And, this is no longer an EE story. It is now political, and has been so for many months. If it were a purely EE story, LightSquared would be bust, like Solyndra. Another also-ran. -John = Fox News may be Fair and Balanced, but their on air talent are not

Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared on FOX

2011-09-19 Thread lists
You might want to investigate Solyndra's technology, excluding the politics. It is not competitive today, however it is a low energy to produce product. That is, it will produce the amount of energy it took to produce must faster than conventional photovoltaics, which takes about 20 years.

Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared on FOX

2011-09-19 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
My Cessna has a Apollo 2001 GPS receiver which was upgraded to a TSO C129 GPS Sensor around the turn of the century. It is likely this unit, whose design was approved by the Federal Aviation Administration (TSO) will not reject strong signals from LightSquared's proposed cell phone network.

[time-nuts] LightSquared on FOX

2011-09-19 Thread ed breya
For aircraft-related stuff you may send your official Navigation Equipment Performance Variance Report form to your illustrious president o'bama via the FAA Inter-Agency Regulatory Communications Dept. All other non-military cases go to the FCC Office of Regulatory Review. You must include

Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared on FOX

2011-09-19 Thread J. Forster
Right! Good luck! Falcone said today that $60M had been set aside for this issue. At $10,000 per 'plane, that fund will cover 6000 planes. Hardly even a token gesture, IMO. -John == For aircraft-related stuff you may send your official Navigation Equipment Performance

Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared on FOX

2011-09-19 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Folks (on both sides of the political aisle), we're getting way off charter here. Lightsquared has been discussed on the list in multiple threads ad infinitum so let's give it a rest unless/until there's some actual news. Everyone, please keep in mind that time-nuts has over 1,000 subscribers

[time-nuts] LightSquared Grows Legs

2011-09-16 Thread J. Forster
FOX news just did a piece on LightSquared and GPS and the general. They called the general gutsy and are asking who put the pressure on? They used the analogy of trying to talk on a cell phone next to a rock concert, BTW. This story is rapidly growing legs. -John ===

Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared Grows Legs

2011-09-16 Thread Lester Veenstra
By the way the USG is so concerned with the LS pollution, that they are conducting a WORLDWIDE survey of existing equipment/systems that would be impacted by L/S, on the assumption that the modus perversion will spread outside the US. Lester B Veenstra MØYCM K1YCM les...@veenstras.com

[time-nuts] LightSquared squabble raises questions about political games

2011-08-16 Thread Brad Dye
Embarrassing the way our democracy works! http://www.ainonline.com/news/single-news-page/article/lightsquared-squabble-raises-questions-about-political-games-30697/?no_cache=1 Best regards, Brad Dye Editor, AAPC Wireless Messaging News P.O. Box 266 Fairfield, IL 62837 USA Telephone:

Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared squabble raises questions about political games

2011-08-16 Thread Javier Herrero
Accidents happens ... ;) Last year the FCC accidentally sold the total block of frequencies reserved for the USAF’s B-2 Stealth bomber El 16/08/2011 18:39, Brad Dye escribió: Embarrassing the way our democracy works!

Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared squabble raises questions about political games

2011-08-16 Thread Bill Hawkins
Guys, Yes, the games are political. No, politics is not the subject of this list. I've stopped being curious about things I can't fix. Bill Hawkins ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

[time-nuts] LightSquared again.

2011-07-28 Thread David
This might amuse, LightSquared promises to replace satellite push-to-talk kit http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/07/27/lightsquared_ptt/ -- ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared (leagalese) vs GPS .. Final report

2011-07-07 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
On 07/07/2011 11:52 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Bob Bownesbow...@gmail.com wrote: “In the end, the laws of physics won out.” Of course the laws of physics won out in a GPS Wold summary. In the real world the FCC will figure that as long as car navigation GPS

[time-nuts] Lightsquared, time-nuts and the press

2011-07-07 Thread Chris Howard
I just had a phone conversation with someone who said she was a reporter for the NY Post about the comment I put in at the FCC regarding the Lightsquared report. I told her I heard about the issue at time-nuts. Chris ___ time-nuts mailing list

[time-nuts] Lightsquared got more money to play with

2011-07-05 Thread Didier Juges
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-05/falcone-s-lightsquared-raises-additional-265-million-for-network-buildout.html ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and

Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global...

2011-07-01 Thread Don Latham
IMHO, it's the new age of the robber barons. Paying for content is one thing, paying a government granted monopoly for use of the transmission medium is another. There is no effective competition if the bandwidth is sold to the highest bidder, locking out competition. Comparable to the great land

Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global...

2011-07-01 Thread Steve Rooke
And when do you think the old age of the robber barons ended? Steve On 1 July 2011 18:05, Don Latham d...@montana.com wrote: IMHO, it's the new age of the robber barons. Paying for content is one thing, paying a government granted monopoly for use of the transmission medium is another.  There

Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global...

2011-07-01 Thread J. Forster
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 03:29:49PM -0700, J. Forster wrote: If over-the-air TV were abolished, that would leave all broadcast media in the hands of Comcast and Verizon and their $100+ charges. Broadcast TV will never go away... far too important to the political class as a place for

[time-nuts] Lightsquared

2011-06-30 Thread phil
Has anyone read this? The high-precision user is going to be thrown under the bus because we are the most difficult to accommodate (technically) and don’t have a high profile nor are perceived as significant enough to accommodate.

Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared

2011-06-30 Thread Richard Parrish
Subject: [time-nuts] Lightsquared Has anyone read this? The high-precision user is going to be thrown under the bus because we are the most difficult to accommodate (technically) and don't have a high profile nor are perceived as significant enough to accommodate. http://www.gpsworld.com/survey

[time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global...

2011-06-30 Thread Rob Kimberley
http://www.gpsworld.com/gnss-system/lightsquared-goes-global-glonass-galileo -may-be-risk-too-11822?utm_source=GPSutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=GNSS-Des ign_06_29_2011utm_content=lightsquared-goes-global-glonass-galileo-may-be-r isk-too-11822 Seems like no one is safe from this! Rob K

Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global...

2011-06-30 Thread Will Matney
Mark my words, it will be down to who has the deepest pockets, and the best representation from the lobyist's, in how this goes. The congress is ignorant to technical issues, and they will force the FCC to follow along. It will go down that it was for the greater good, or something similar.

Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global...

2011-06-30 Thread J. Forster
The NLRB / Boeing decision was an obscenity. If it stands, Boeing will move offshore in due time. YMMV, -John = Mark my words, it will be down to who has the deepest pockets, and the best representation from the lobyist's, in how this goes. The congress is ignorant to

Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global...

2011-06-30 Thread Bruce Lane
They already did, some time ago, at least for much of their engineering. I spent six years with them (and I'm told I did good to last that long), so I speak from (bitter) experience. --They used to make much of their own avionics for flight controls and instrumentation. No more.

Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global...

2011-06-30 Thread David VanHorn
. From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Lane [kyr...@bluefeathertech.com] Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 11:45 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global... Seems to me such an issue only increases the chance

Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global...

2011-06-30 Thread lists
: Will Matney xfor...@citynet.net Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 13:45:32 To: time-nuts@febo.com Reply-To: xfor...@citynet.net, Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global... Mark

Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global...

2011-06-30 Thread lists
time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global... Years ago, microsoft wanted to take over one of the ham bands, 2m or 440 I forget which, for satellites for internet in poor areas. Swatch wanted to have everyone change to beats instead of seconds and minutes. Stupid

Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global...

2011-06-30 Thread paul swed
...@elec-solutions.com Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 12:04:42 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Reply-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared

Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global...

2011-06-30 Thread lists
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 15:09:06 To: li...@lazygranch.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurementtime-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global... Scratching the ole head. TVs a waste? A comment on the editorial content perhaps? But then how does any of that really

Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global...

2011-06-30 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
, 2011 3:45:10 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global... Terrestrial TV simply cannot use all the bandwidth it is allotted. Spectrum has been whittled away at least twice. Once to create T-band. Again a little bit when HDTV was rolled out. The band needs to be trimmed with a sawzall

Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global...

2011-06-30 Thread David VanHorn
: Thursday, June 30, 2011 12:42 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global... That is the white space plan. It is still active. It is an attempt to use wasted TV bandwidth. TV bandwidth is a waste. It is not a growing business

Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global...

2011-06-30 Thread Chuck Harris
Probably because it was UPS, and it was the successful removal of the 220MHz ham band from the hams. As far as I know, the band is still unused. They found it was more cost effective to use the cell phone network. -Chuck Harris David VanHorn wrote: This was not the white space plan, it was

Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global...

2011-06-30 Thread David VanHorn
and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global... Probably because it was UPS, and it was the successful removal of the 220MHz ham band from the hams. As far as I know, the band is still unused. They found it was more cost effective to use the cell phone network. -Chuck

Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global...

2011-06-30 Thread Bruce Lane
Half the band, anyway (220-222). And no, they never did make any use of it I know of. There are still quite a few repeaters and experimental modes being used on the portion remaining to hamateurs (222-225). Keep the peace(es). *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On

[time-nuts] LightSquared interference report is out

2011-06-30 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
The Working Group final report on the LightSquared--GPS interference issue has been released. You can download it using the FCC's ECFS electronic comment filing system. It is posted in 7 parts totaling 1,035 pages:

Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global...

2011-06-30 Thread Will Matney
From: li...@lazygranch.com li...@lazygranch.com To: paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thu, June 30, 2011 3:45:10 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global... Terrestrial TV simply cannot use

Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared interference report is out

2011-06-30 Thread Jim Lux
On 6/30/11 2:26 PM, Charles P. Steinmetz wrote: The Working Group final report on the LightSquared--GPS interference issue has been released. You can download it using the FCC's ECFS electronic comment filing system. It is posted in 7 parts totaling 1,035 pages: ALso at

Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global...

2011-06-30 Thread J. Forster
... Bob LaJeunesse From: li...@lazygranch.com li...@lazygranch.com To: paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thu, June 30, 2011 3:45:10 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes

Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global...

2011-06-30 Thread Lee Mushel
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global... If over-the-air TV were abolished, that would leave all broadcast media in the hands of Comcast and Verizon and their $100+ charges. It amounts to a communication tax on the entire population. -John

Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared goes Global...

2011-06-30 Thread David I. Emery
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 03:29:49PM -0700, J. Forster wrote: If over-the-air TV were abolished, that would leave all broadcast media in the hands of Comcast and Verizon and their $100+ charges. Broadcast TV will never go away... far too important to the political class as a place for

[time-nuts] LightSquared asks GPS makers and users to pay for their filters.

2011-06-27 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
As some of us know, a company called Lightsquared used political connections and campaign contributions to short circuit established FCC procedures to obtain a band of frequencies for the cell phone system they are developing. Thanks to their political manipulations they were able to avoid

Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared asks GPS makers and users to pay for filters

2011-06-27 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
I do not want to minimize the threat posed to GPS by Lightsquared (LS), but the post below (i) ignores the last 3 months of debate on the subject and dozens of messages on this list, (ii) mis-states the case against LightSquared, and (iii) ignores the FCC's leading role in the fiasco. LS did

Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared vs old GPS gear: Antennas?

2011-06-11 Thread George Dubovsky
I have recently done some side-by-side testing of a new PCTel antenna vs an older Trimble bullet antenna to see if there was any degradation of GPS operation. The PCTel had 26 dB gain and a sharp bandpass filter incorporated that was 60 dB down at the the lower edge of the GPS band (upper edge of

[time-nuts] LightSquared vs old GPS gear: Antennas?

2011-06-10 Thread Hal Murray
Is it possible/interesting to design an antenna that has a low-angle cutoff at 20 or 30 degrees? That probably won't eliminate many satellites that are useful for timing receivers. I'm interested in things like a Z3801A or a ThunderBolt. I'm assuming it is not reasonable to replace the GPS

Re: [time-nuts] lightsquared test in las vegas

2011-06-09 Thread Chuck Harris
On the other hand, what can be said about the wisdom of engineers that designed a product that cannot withstand any interference from adjoining spectrum holders? It has been known for at least the last 6 years that LightSquared's predecessor was going to occupy that spectrum with a land based

Re: [time-nuts] lightsquared test in las vegas

2011-06-09 Thread J. Forster
Perhaps not in the abstract, but on-orbit power is severely limited, and you can't get more RF watts out of a transmitter than you put in as DC. Can you imagine the uproar if every GPS bird had a 10 KW transmitter on board, powered bu a nuclear reactor? The low received power is a direct

Re: [time-nuts] lightsquared test in las vegas

2011-06-09 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Jason: For more than a decade the best internet connection I could get was 2-way satellite. The major problem with that is the ping time which approaches one second and no amount of technology will change it one iota (i.e. it's determined by two round trips up and back to the satellite

Re: [time-nuts] lightsquared test in las vegas

2011-06-09 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi John: It's my understanding the the GPS system was designed by the military so that the received signal is below the thermal noise. That means that if you look for it with a spectrum analyzer you will see noise. It wasn't untill the KAL007 shoot down that the goverment disclosed it's

Re: [time-nuts] lightsquared test in las vegas

2011-06-09 Thread J. Forster
Hi Brooke, Could well be, but I know the system was severely constrained by satellite design considerations. 30+ years ago, high power was simply not available on orbit for long periods of time. The only real option is solar cells, then as now. -John == Hi John: It's my

Re: [time-nuts] lightsquared test in las vegas

2011-06-09 Thread Bob Camp
Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Brooke Clarke Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 1:28 PM To: j...@quik.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] lightsquared test in las vegas Hi John: It's my

Re: [time-nuts] lightsquared test in las vegas

2011-06-09 Thread Hal Murray
Does the GPS world really have much to say about the interference if LightSquared keeps their transmitters clean and out of the GPS spectrum? I think the key idea is that the receiver can't build a brick-wall filter. Even if the transmitter stays within their assigned band, a strong enough

[time-nuts] lightsquared test in las vegas

2011-06-07 Thread tom jones
I live in las vegas and drove to the coordinates given for the las vegas lightsquared transmitter on three consecutive nights from 12 am to 3 am durring there test period. In my opinion lightsquared never keyed there las vegas test transmitter durring the total 9 hours I was present, over

[time-nuts] LightSquared

2011-05-23 Thread J. Forster
See http://orbitrax.com/?p=4468. I quote from there: Things looked pretty bleak earlier this month for Lightsquared when Senator Charles E. Grassley (R) Iowa wrote FCC Chairman requesting the detailed release of all internal/external communications, including email between FCC personnel

Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared

2011-05-23 Thread Bruce Lane
A... Poor LightSquared My heart bleeds... NOT!!! :-) *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 23-May-11 at 11:12 J. Forster wrote: See http://orbitrax.com/?p=4468. I quote from there: Things looked pretty bleak earlier this month for Lightsquared when Senator

Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared

2011-05-23 Thread David VanHorn
Hello, can I short my L^2 stock? :) From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Lane [kyr...@bluefeathertech.com] Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 1:39 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared

[time-nuts] lightsquared test

2011-05-18 Thread tom jones
Thanks for the replies, I'de been searching internet for about an hour not finding much. I finally did find some info same as the replies here. Here are some additional links about the testing . The third link givs lat and long.

[time-nuts] LightSquared testing

2011-05-15 Thread lists
Testing of new wireless network could cause GPS outages ED ANDRIESKI / AP By Karoun Demirjian, Steve Kanigher Sat, May 14, 2011 (9:09 p.m.) A warning for night drivers: If your GPS navigator gives out on you this week, don’t despair. What you’re experiencing is only a test of the emerging

[time-nuts] LightSquared testing

2011-05-15 Thread Joe Leikhim
I love these corporate PR statements. They bring out the American flag, Mom and apple pie when it is really all about The Benjamins! LightSquared, which didn?t return calls for comment Saturday, says on its website that it is simply taking steps to fulfill President Barack Obama?s dream of a

Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared gets at least some political attention

2011-04-17 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 04/17/2011 12:45 AM, Charles P. Steinmetz wrote: John wrote: IMO, your crack about NTSC is unjustified. IMO, NTSC color was a very elegant engineering solution to backwards compatability. Without that, we could well be still watching BW. The other contemporary backward-compatible

Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared gets at least some political attention

2011-04-17 Thread J. Forster
You always wind up with third best. First best never comes, Second best comes too late. Almost nobody in 1960 had color TV. The first time I saw it was in the summer of 1963, and the programs were in BW, commercials in color, in the biggest TV market in the USA. -John == On

Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared gets at least some political attention

2011-04-16 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
John wrote: IMO, your crack about NTSC is unjustified. IMO, NTSC color was a very elegant engineering solution to backwards compatability. Without that, we could well be still watching BW. The other contemporary backward-compatible solutions -- PAL and SECAM -- did not suffer from the color

Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared gets at least some political attention

2011-04-16 Thread lists
: Re: [time-nuts] LightSquared gets at least some political attention John wrote: IMO, your crack about NTSC is unjustified. IMO, NTSC color was a very elegant engineering solution to backwards compatability. Without that, we could well be still watching BW. The other contemporary backward

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